The Democratic Presidential Debates

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    mrussel1 said:
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    Well there could be a third party,  I could be traveling for work or Mephistopheles might jump in at the last moment.  You've migrated into silliness. 
    So you accept the logical and moral validity of not voting for Bloomberg, Buttigieg, etc. 
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    ecdanc said:
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    So you accept the logical and moral validity of not voting for Bloomberg, Buttigieg, etc. 
    No, because the comparisons you drew were stupid. But at the end of the day, I don't care if you vote or not nor have I spent a moment reflecting on your personal decisions to vote or not to vote for the D candidate.  I could not care less.  
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    mrussel1 said:
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    No, because the comparisons you drew were stupid. But at the end of the day, I don't care if you vote or not nor have I spent a moment reflecting on your personal decisions to vote or not to vote for the D candidate.  I could not care less.  
    So you’re moralistically grandstanding. 
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    ecdanc said:
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    So you’re moralistically grandstanding. 
    You're comparing Pete to Stalin.  That's absurd.  
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    mrussel1 said:
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    You're comparing Pete to Stalin.  That's absurd.  
    Wow, you really missed the point on this one. 

    You couldn't bring yourself to say you'd vote for Trump, even if he was running against Stalin. Presumably, that's because you find Trump so repugnant that you can't imagine yourself under any circumstances voting for them--there's a basic threshold beyond which you would say "no, I just can't." 

    Many of us have that. Some here want to claim that we're abdicating from our moral duty if we refuse to vote for some of these candidates, but we just draw the line in a different place than you. 

    (FYI: I was comparing Trump to Stalin in the thought experiment). 
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    ecdanc said:
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    Wow, you really missed the point on this one. 

    You couldn't bring yourself to say you'd vote for Trump, even if he was running against Stalin. Presumably, that's because you find Trump so repugnant that you can't imagine yourself under any circumstances voting for them--there's a basic threshold beyond which you would say "no, I just can't." 

    Many of us have that too. Some here want to claim that we're abdicating from our moral duty if we refuse to vote for some of these candidates, but we just draw the line in a different place than you. So you're moralistically grandstanding. 

    (FYI: I was comparing Trump to Stalin in the thought experiment). 
    I already told you that I don't care what you do, so how am I grandstanding?  Don't apply what others type to me.  They're entitled to their opinions but it doesn't always reflect mine,  particularly in regards to what you do or don't do.
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    Haha.


    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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    mrussel1 said:
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    I already told you that I don't care what you do, so how am I grandstanding?  Don't apply what others type to me.  They're entitled to their opinions but it doesn't always reflect mine,  particularly in regards to what you do or don't do.
    You’re right. Apologies. Corrected my post 
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    ecdanc said:
    A thought experiment: imagine the election was Trump v. Someone you personally think is worse than Trump (an almost unfathomable monster). Would you vote for Trump?
    Interesting question. I would say no today, but it would be tough on Election Day to just sit out. For me, this is close to trump vs sanders. Though I do not think sanders is as awful a person. Today I say no vote for me....come time who knows? 
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    mrussel1 said:
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    You're comparing Pete to Stalin.  That's absurd.  
    It’s just crazy. 
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    cincybearcat said:
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    It’s just crazy. 
    Read things before falling in line m8.

    ecdanc said:

    (FYI: I was comparing Trump to Stalin in the thought experiment). 

    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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    Spiritual_Chaos said:
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    Read things before falling in line m8.

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    Don’t be so condescending I read it. It was dumb.
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    cincybearcat said:
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    Don’t be so condescending I read it. It was dumb.
    Read it again 
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    cincybearcat said:
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    Don’t be so condescending I read it. It was dumb.
    So, you read it? But choice to deliberately post as if you misunderstood it. 

    What kind of political argumentation inception is this.



    I'm feeling lost enough when mrussel and ecdanc is getting at it. I don't want to be in a Christopher Nolan movie also.
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    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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    Spiritual_Chaos said:
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    Read things before falling in line m8.

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    So Pete is Trump... slightly less absurd. 
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    ecdanc said:
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    Read it again 
    Just did. Thinks it’s a misguided statement. I understand you are not specifically comparing Pete to Stalin. And I understand you are in your own amazing way trying to show how others would vote for trump or stay home versus voting for a democratic candidate that they appear to be worse. I also understand that people have different moral compass's and different things matter to them. 

    But I disagree that anyone could look at trump and Pete or Amy or Warren or just about any other them (for me bernie has been an exception but as it gets closer I really don’t know if I could stay at home and not vote against trump) and think that they are so bad that it’s better to stay at home and end up with trump. I think trump is that bad. And I have a hard time seeing how any of those others rose anywhere close. Sure - you’ll say I’m projecting my moral compass, and I guess I am. But I’d like to know what about any of those candidates is worse then trump for someone that considers themselves “democrat” “moderate” “progressive” etc
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    Spiritual_Chaos said:

    #BloombergEatsBabies
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    cincybearcat said:
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    Just did. Thinks it’s a misguided statement. I understand you are not specifically comparing Pete to Stalin. And I understand you are in your own amazing way trying to show how others would vote for trump or stay home versus voting for a democratic candidate that they appear to be worse. I also understand that people have different moral compass's and different things matter to them. 

    But I disagree that anyone could look at trump and Pete or Amy or Warren or just about any other them (for me bernie has been an exception but as it gets closer I really don’t know if I could stay at home and not vote against trump) and think that they are so bad that it’s better to stay at home and end up with trump. I think trump is that bad. And I have a hard time seeing how any of those others rose anywhere close. Sure - you’ll say I’m projecting my moral compass, and I guess I am. But I’d like to know what about any of those candidates is worse then trump for someone that considers themselves “democrat” “moderate” “progressive” etc
    No one is saying they're worse than Trump; people are saying they're bad enough they can't bring themselves to vote for them. Just like you might do with Sanders and like you might do if forced to vote for Trump (because the other candidate was even worse, per the thought experiment). 
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    mrussel1 said:
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    I just did. 
    I wasn't referring to everyone. There are plenty of levelheaded people on here, yourself included. 
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