The Democratic Presidential Debates
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So you accept the logical and moral validity of not voting for Bloomberg, Buttigieg, etc.mrussel1 said:
Well there could be a third party, I could be traveling for work or Mephistopheles might jump in at the last moment. You've migrated into silliness.ecdanc said:
So you’d vote for Trump?mrussel1 said:
That's kind of silly, but no I would not vote for the guy that purged his generals, set up the gulags and committed genocide against 7-10 million Ukrainians including my own extended family. Feels like an easy choice.ecdanc said:
And if it were Trump v. Stalin?mrussel1 said:
It's a difficult question because as much as I'm against his policies, his moral turpitude is worse. If Trump was still a Democrat, with this exact level of dishonesty, divisiveness, etc., and he ran against Romney or Kasich, I would vote Republican in a second.ecdanc said:A thought experiment: imagine the election was Trump v. Someone you personally think is worse than Trump (an almost unfathomable monster). Would you vote for Trump?0 -
No, because the comparisons you drew were stupid. But at the end of the day, I don't care if you vote or not nor have I spent a moment reflecting on your personal decisions to vote or not to vote for the D candidate. I could not care less.ecdanc said:
So you accept the logical and moral validity of not voting for Bloomberg, Buttigieg, etc.mrussel1 said:
Well there could be a third party, I could be traveling for work or Mephistopheles might jump in at the last moment. You've migrated into silliness.ecdanc said:
So you’d vote for Trump?mrussel1 said:
That's kind of silly, but no I would not vote for the guy that purged his generals, set up the gulags and committed genocide against 7-10 million Ukrainians including my own extended family. Feels like an easy choice.ecdanc said:
And if it were Trump v. Stalin?mrussel1 said:
It's a difficult question because as much as I'm against his policies, his moral turpitude is worse. If Trump was still a Democrat, with this exact level of dishonesty, divisiveness, etc., and he ran against Romney or Kasich, I would vote Republican in a second.ecdanc said:A thought experiment: imagine the election was Trump v. Someone you personally think is worse than Trump (an almost unfathomable monster). Would you vote for Trump?0 -
So you’re moralistically grandstanding.mrussel1 said:
No, because the comparisons you drew were stupid. But at the end of the day, I don't care if you vote or not nor have I spent a moment reflecting on your personal decisions to vote or not to vote for the D candidate. I could not care less.ecdanc said:
So you accept the logical and moral validity of not voting for Bloomberg, Buttigieg, etc.mrussel1 said:
Well there could be a third party, I could be traveling for work or Mephistopheles might jump in at the last moment. You've migrated into silliness.ecdanc said:
So you’d vote for Trump?mrussel1 said:
That's kind of silly, but no I would not vote for the guy that purged his generals, set up the gulags and committed genocide against 7-10 million Ukrainians including my own extended family. Feels like an easy choice.ecdanc said:
And if it were Trump v. Stalin?mrussel1 said:
It's a difficult question because as much as I'm against his policies, his moral turpitude is worse. If Trump was still a Democrat, with this exact level of dishonesty, divisiveness, etc., and he ran against Romney or Kasich, I would vote Republican in a second.ecdanc said:A thought experiment: imagine the election was Trump v. Someone you personally think is worse than Trump (an almost unfathomable monster). Would you vote for Trump?0 -
You're comparing Pete to Stalin. That's absurd.ecdanc said:
So you’re moralistically grandstanding.mrussel1 said:
No, because the comparisons you drew were stupid. But at the end of the day, I don't care if you vote or not nor have I spent a moment reflecting on your personal decisions to vote or not to vote for the D candidate. I could not care less.ecdanc said:
So you accept the logical and moral validity of not voting for Bloomberg, Buttigieg, etc.mrussel1 said:
Well there could be a third party, I could be traveling for work or Mephistopheles might jump in at the last moment. You've migrated into silliness.ecdanc said:
So you’d vote for Trump?mrussel1 said:
That's kind of silly, but no I would not vote for the guy that purged his generals, set up the gulags and committed genocide against 7-10 million Ukrainians including my own extended family. Feels like an easy choice.ecdanc said:
And if it were Trump v. Stalin?mrussel1 said:
It's a difficult question because as much as I'm against his policies, his moral turpitude is worse. If Trump was still a Democrat, with this exact level of dishonesty, divisiveness, etc., and he ran against Romney or Kasich, I would vote Republican in a second.ecdanc said:A thought experiment: imagine the election was Trump v. Someone you personally think is worse than Trump (an almost unfathomable monster). Would you vote for Trump?0 -
Wow, you really missed the point on this one.mrussel1 said:
You're comparing Pete to Stalin. That's absurd.ecdanc said:
So you’re moralistically grandstanding.mrussel1 said:
No, because the comparisons you drew were stupid. But at the end of the day, I don't care if you vote or not nor have I spent a moment reflecting on your personal decisions to vote or not to vote for the D candidate. I could not care less.ecdanc said:
So you accept the logical and moral validity of not voting for Bloomberg, Buttigieg, etc.mrussel1 said:
Well there could be a third party, I could be traveling for work or Mephistopheles might jump in at the last moment. You've migrated into silliness.ecdanc said:
So you’d vote for Trump?mrussel1 said:
That's kind of silly, but no I would not vote for the guy that purged his generals, set up the gulags and committed genocide against 7-10 million Ukrainians including my own extended family. Feels like an easy choice.ecdanc said:
And if it were Trump v. Stalin?mrussel1 said:
It's a difficult question because as much as I'm against his policies, his moral turpitude is worse. If Trump was still a Democrat, with this exact level of dishonesty, divisiveness, etc., and he ran against Romney or Kasich, I would vote Republican in a second.ecdanc said:A thought experiment: imagine the election was Trump v. Someone you personally think is worse than Trump (an almost unfathomable monster). Would you vote for Trump?
You couldn't bring yourself to say you'd vote for Trump, even if he was running against Stalin. Presumably, that's because you find Trump so repugnant that you can't imagine yourself under any circumstances voting for them--there's a basic threshold beyond which you would say "no, I just can't."
Many of us have that. Some here want to claim that we're abdicating from our moral duty if we refuse to vote for some of these candidates, but we just draw the line in a different place than you.
(FYI: I was comparing Trump to Stalin in the thought experiment).Post edited by ecdanc on0 -
I already told you that I don't care what you do, so how am I grandstanding? Don't apply what others type to me. They're entitled to their opinions but it doesn't always reflect mine, particularly in regards to what you do or don't do.ecdanc said:
Wow, you really missed the point on this one.mrussel1 said:
You're comparing Pete to Stalin. That's absurd.ecdanc said:
So you’re moralistically grandstanding.mrussel1 said:
No, because the comparisons you drew were stupid. But at the end of the day, I don't care if you vote or not nor have I spent a moment reflecting on your personal decisions to vote or not to vote for the D candidate. I could not care less.ecdanc said:
So you accept the logical and moral validity of not voting for Bloomberg, Buttigieg, etc.mrussel1 said:
Well there could be a third party, I could be traveling for work or Mephistopheles might jump in at the last moment. You've migrated into silliness.ecdanc said:
So you’d vote for Trump?mrussel1 said:
That's kind of silly, but no I would not vote for the guy that purged his generals, set up the gulags and committed genocide against 7-10 million Ukrainians including my own extended family. Feels like an easy choice.ecdanc said:
And if it were Trump v. Stalin?mrussel1 said:
It's a difficult question because as much as I'm against his policies, his moral turpitude is worse. If Trump was still a Democrat, with this exact level of dishonesty, divisiveness, etc., and he ran against Romney or Kasich, I would vote Republican in a second.ecdanc said:A thought experiment: imagine the election was Trump v. Someone you personally think is worse than Trump (an almost unfathomable monster). Would you vote for Trump?
You couldn't bring yourself to say you'd vote for Trump, even if he was running against Stalin. Presumably, that's because you find Trump so repugnant that you can't imagine yourself under any circumstances voting for them--there's a basic threshold beyond which you would say "no, I just can't."
Many of us have that too. Some here want to claim that we're abdicating from our moral duty if we refuse to vote for some of these candidates, but we just draw the line in a different place than you. So you're moralistically grandstanding.
(FYI: I was comparing Trump to Stalin in the thought experiment).0 -
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0
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You’re right. Apologies. Corrected my postmrussel1 said:
I already told you that I don't care what you do, so how am I grandstanding? Don't apply what others type to me. They're entitled to their opinions but it doesn't always reflect mine, particularly in regards to what you do or don't do.ecdanc said:
Wow, you really missed the point on this one.mrussel1 said:
You're comparing Pete to Stalin. That's absurd.ecdanc said:
So you’re moralistically grandstanding.mrussel1 said:
No, because the comparisons you drew were stupid. But at the end of the day, I don't care if you vote or not nor have I spent a moment reflecting on your personal decisions to vote or not to vote for the D candidate. I could not care less.ecdanc said:
So you accept the logical and moral validity of not voting for Bloomberg, Buttigieg, etc.mrussel1 said:
Well there could be a third party, I could be traveling for work or Mephistopheles might jump in at the last moment. You've migrated into silliness.ecdanc said:
So you’d vote for Trump?mrussel1 said:
That's kind of silly, but no I would not vote for the guy that purged his generals, set up the gulags and committed genocide against 7-10 million Ukrainians including my own extended family. Feels like an easy choice.ecdanc said:
And if it were Trump v. Stalin?mrussel1 said:
It's a difficult question because as much as I'm against his policies, his moral turpitude is worse. If Trump was still a Democrat, with this exact level of dishonesty, divisiveness, etc., and he ran against Romney or Kasich, I would vote Republican in a second.ecdanc said:A thought experiment: imagine the election was Trump v. Someone you personally think is worse than Trump (an almost unfathomable monster). Would you vote for Trump?
You couldn't bring yourself to say you'd vote for Trump, even if he was running against Stalin. Presumably, that's because you find Trump so repugnant that you can't imagine yourself under any circumstances voting for them--there's a basic threshold beyond which you would say "no, I just can't."
Many of us have that too. Some here want to claim that we're abdicating from our moral duty if we refuse to vote for some of these candidates, but we just draw the line in a different place than you. So you're moralistically grandstanding.
(FYI: I was comparing Trump to Stalin in the thought experiment).0 -
Interesting question. I would say no today, but it would be tough on Election Day to just sit out. For me, this is close to trump vs sanders. Though I do not think sanders is as awful a person. Today I say no vote for me....come time who knows?ecdanc said:A thought experiment: imagine the election was Trump v. Someone you personally think is worse than Trump (an almost unfathomable monster). Would you vote for Trump?hippiemom = goodness0 -
It’s just crazy.mrussel1 said:
You're comparing Pete to Stalin. That's absurd.ecdanc said:
So you’re moralistically grandstanding.mrussel1 said:
No, because the comparisons you drew were stupid. But at the end of the day, I don't care if you vote or not nor have I spent a moment reflecting on your personal decisions to vote or not to vote for the D candidate. I could not care less.ecdanc said:
So you accept the logical and moral validity of not voting for Bloomberg, Buttigieg, etc.mrussel1 said:
Well there could be a third party, I could be traveling for work or Mephistopheles might jump in at the last moment. You've migrated into silliness.ecdanc said:
So you’d vote for Trump?mrussel1 said:
That's kind of silly, but no I would not vote for the guy that purged his generals, set up the gulags and committed genocide against 7-10 million Ukrainians including my own extended family. Feels like an easy choice.ecdanc said:
And if it were Trump v. Stalin?mrussel1 said:
It's a difficult question because as much as I'm against his policies, his moral turpitude is worse. If Trump was still a Democrat, with this exact level of dishonesty, divisiveness, etc., and he ran against Romney or Kasich, I would vote Republican in a second.ecdanc said:A thought experiment: imagine the election was Trump v. Someone you personally think is worse than Trump (an almost unfathomable monster). Would you vote for Trump?hippiemom = goodness0 -
Read things before falling in line m8.cincybearcat said:
It’s just crazy.mrussel1 said:
You're comparing Pete to Stalin. That's absurd.ecdanc said:
So you’re moralistically grandstanding.mrussel1 said:
No, because the comparisons you drew were stupid. But at the end of the day, I don't care if you vote or not nor have I spent a moment reflecting on your personal decisions to vote or not to vote for the D candidate. I could not care less.ecdanc said:
So you accept the logical and moral validity of not voting for Bloomberg, Buttigieg, etc.mrussel1 said:
Well there could be a third party, I could be traveling for work or Mephistopheles might jump in at the last moment. You've migrated into silliness.ecdanc said:
So you’d vote for Trump?mrussel1 said:
That's kind of silly, but no I would not vote for the guy that purged his generals, set up the gulags and committed genocide against 7-10 million Ukrainians including my own extended family. Feels like an easy choice.ecdanc said:
And if it were Trump v. Stalin?mrussel1 said:
It's a difficult question because as much as I'm against his policies, his moral turpitude is worse. If Trump was still a Democrat, with this exact level of dishonesty, divisiveness, etc., and he ran against Romney or Kasich, I would vote Republican in a second.ecdanc said:A thought experiment: imagine the election was Trump v. Someone you personally think is worse than Trump (an almost unfathomable monster). Would you vote for Trump?ecdanc said:
(FYI: I was comparing Trump to Stalin in the thought experiment).
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
Don’t be so condescending I read it. It was dumb.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Read things before falling in line m8.cincybearcat said:
It’s just crazy.mrussel1 said:
You're comparing Pete to Stalin. That's absurd.ecdanc said:
So you’re moralistically grandstanding.mrussel1 said:
No, because the comparisons you drew were stupid. But at the end of the day, I don't care if you vote or not nor have I spent a moment reflecting on your personal decisions to vote or not to vote for the D candidate. I could not care less.ecdanc said:
So you accept the logical and moral validity of not voting for Bloomberg, Buttigieg, etc.mrussel1 said:
Well there could be a third party, I could be traveling for work or Mephistopheles might jump in at the last moment. You've migrated into silliness.ecdanc said:
So you’d vote for Trump?mrussel1 said:
That's kind of silly, but no I would not vote for the guy that purged his generals, set up the gulags and committed genocide against 7-10 million Ukrainians including my own extended family. Feels like an easy choice.ecdanc said:
And if it were Trump v. Stalin?mrussel1 said:
It's a difficult question because as much as I'm against his policies, his moral turpitude is worse. If Trump was still a Democrat, with this exact level of dishonesty, divisiveness, etc., and he ran against Romney or Kasich, I would vote Republican in a second.ecdanc said:A thought experiment: imagine the election was Trump v. Someone you personally think is worse than Trump (an almost unfathomable monster). Would you vote for Trump?ecdanc said:
(FYI: I was comparing Trump to Stalin in the thought experiment).hippiemom = goodness0 -
Read it againcincybearcat said:
Don’t be so condescending I read it. It was dumb.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Read things before falling in line m8.cincybearcat said:
It’s just crazy.mrussel1 said:
You're comparing Pete to Stalin. That's absurd.ecdanc said:
So you’re moralistically grandstanding.mrussel1 said:
No, because the comparisons you drew were stupid. But at the end of the day, I don't care if you vote or not nor have I spent a moment reflecting on your personal decisions to vote or not to vote for the D candidate. I could not care less.ecdanc said:
So you accept the logical and moral validity of not voting for Bloomberg, Buttigieg, etc.mrussel1 said:
Well there could be a third party, I could be traveling for work or Mephistopheles might jump in at the last moment. You've migrated into silliness.ecdanc said:
So you’d vote for Trump?mrussel1 said:
That's kind of silly, but no I would not vote for the guy that purged his generals, set up the gulags and committed genocide against 7-10 million Ukrainians including my own extended family. Feels like an easy choice.ecdanc said:
And if it were Trump v. Stalin?mrussel1 said:
It's a difficult question because as much as I'm against his policies, his moral turpitude is worse. If Trump was still a Democrat, with this exact level of dishonesty, divisiveness, etc., and he ran against Romney or Kasich, I would vote Republican in a second.ecdanc said:A thought experiment: imagine the election was Trump v. Someone you personally think is worse than Trump (an almost unfathomable monster). Would you vote for Trump?ecdanc said:
(FYI: I was comparing Trump to Stalin in the thought experiment).0 -
So, you read it? But choice to deliberately post as if you misunderstood it.cincybearcat said:
Don’t be so condescending I read it. It was dumb.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Read things before falling in line m8.cincybearcat said:
It’s just crazy.mrussel1 said:
You're comparing Pete to Stalin. That's absurd.ecdanc said:
So you’re moralistically grandstanding.mrussel1 said:
No, because the comparisons you drew were stupid. But at the end of the day, I don't care if you vote or not nor have I spent a moment reflecting on your personal decisions to vote or not to vote for the D candidate. I could not care less.ecdanc said:
So you accept the logical and moral validity of not voting for Bloomberg, Buttigieg, etc.mrussel1 said:
Well there could be a third party, I could be traveling for work or Mephistopheles might jump in at the last moment. You've migrated into silliness.ecdanc said:
So you’d vote for Trump?mrussel1 said:
That's kind of silly, but no I would not vote for the guy that purged his generals, set up the gulags and committed genocide against 7-10 million Ukrainians including my own extended family. Feels like an easy choice.ecdanc said:
And if it were Trump v. Stalin?mrussel1 said:
It's a difficult question because as much as I'm against his policies, his moral turpitude is worse. If Trump was still a Democrat, with this exact level of dishonesty, divisiveness, etc., and he ran against Romney or Kasich, I would vote Republican in a second.ecdanc said:A thought experiment: imagine the election was Trump v. Someone you personally think is worse than Trump (an almost unfathomable monster). Would you vote for Trump?ecdanc said:
(FYI: I was comparing Trump to Stalin in the thought experiment).
What kind of political argumentation inception is this.
I'm feeling lost enough when mrussel and ecdanc is getting at it. I don't want to be in a Christopher Nolan movie also.Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0
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So Pete is Trump... slightly less absurd.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Read things before falling in line m8.cincybearcat said:
It’s just crazy.mrussel1 said:
You're comparing Pete to Stalin. That's absurd.ecdanc said:
So you’re moralistically grandstanding.mrussel1 said:
No, because the comparisons you drew were stupid. But at the end of the day, I don't care if you vote or not nor have I spent a moment reflecting on your personal decisions to vote or not to vote for the D candidate. I could not care less.ecdanc said:
So you accept the logical and moral validity of not voting for Bloomberg, Buttigieg, etc.mrussel1 said:
Well there could be a third party, I could be traveling for work or Mephistopheles might jump in at the last moment. You've migrated into silliness.ecdanc said:
So you’d vote for Trump?mrussel1 said:
That's kind of silly, but no I would not vote for the guy that purged his generals, set up the gulags and committed genocide against 7-10 million Ukrainians including my own extended family. Feels like an easy choice.ecdanc said:
And if it were Trump v. Stalin?mrussel1 said:
It's a difficult question because as much as I'm against his policies, his moral turpitude is worse. If Trump was still a Democrat, with this exact level of dishonesty, divisiveness, etc., and he ran against Romney or Kasich, I would vote Republican in a second.ecdanc said:A thought experiment: imagine the election was Trump v. Someone you personally think is worse than Trump (an almost unfathomable monster). Would you vote for Trump?ecdanc said:
(FYI: I was comparing Trump to Stalin in the thought experiment).0 -
Just did. Thinks it’s a misguided statement. I understand you are not specifically comparing Pete to Stalin. And I understand you are in your own amazing way trying to show how others would vote for trump or stay home versus voting for a democratic candidate that they appear to be worse. I also understand that people have different moral compass's and different things matter to them.ecdanc said:
Read it againcincybearcat said:
Don’t be so condescending I read it. It was dumb.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Read things before falling in line m8.cincybearcat said:
It’s just crazy.mrussel1 said:
You're comparing Pete to Stalin. That's absurd.ecdanc said:
So you’re moralistically grandstanding.mrussel1 said:
No, because the comparisons you drew were stupid. But at the end of the day, I don't care if you vote or not nor have I spent a moment reflecting on your personal decisions to vote or not to vote for the D candidate. I could not care less.ecdanc said:
So you accept the logical and moral validity of not voting for Bloomberg, Buttigieg, etc.mrussel1 said:
Well there could be a third party, I could be traveling for work or Mephistopheles might jump in at the last moment. You've migrated into silliness.ecdanc said:
So you’d vote for Trump?mrussel1 said:
That's kind of silly, but no I would not vote for the guy that purged his generals, set up the gulags and committed genocide against 7-10 million Ukrainians including my own extended family. Feels like an easy choice.ecdanc said:
And if it were Trump v. Stalin?mrussel1 said:
It's a difficult question because as much as I'm against his policies, his moral turpitude is worse. If Trump was still a Democrat, with this exact level of dishonesty, divisiveness, etc., and he ran against Romney or Kasich, I would vote Republican in a second.ecdanc said:A thought experiment: imagine the election was Trump v. Someone you personally think is worse than Trump (an almost unfathomable monster). Would you vote for Trump?ecdanc said:
(FYI: I was comparing Trump to Stalin in the thought experiment).But I disagree that anyone could look at trump and Pete or Amy or Warren or just about any other them (for me bernie has been an exception but as it gets closer I really don’t know if I could stay at home and not vote against trump) and think that they are so bad that it’s better to stay at home and end up with trump. I think trump is that bad. And I have a hard time seeing how any of those others rose anywhere close. Sure - you’ll say I’m projecting my moral compass, and I guess I am. But I’d like to know what about any of those candidates is worse then trump for someone that considers themselves “democrat” “moderate” “progressive” etchippiemom = goodness0 -
#BloombergEatsBabiesSpiritual_Chaos said:0 -
No one is saying they're worse than Trump; people are saying they're bad enough they can't bring themselves to vote for them. Just like you might do with Sanders and like you might do if forced to vote for Trump (because the other candidate was even worse, per the thought experiment).cincybearcat said:
Just did. Thinks it’s a misguided statement. I understand you are not specifically comparing Pete to Stalin. And I understand you are in your own amazing way trying to show how others would vote for trump or stay home versus voting for a democratic candidate that they appear to be worse. I also understand that people have different moral compass's and different things matter to them.ecdanc said:
Read it againcincybearcat said:
Don’t be so condescending I read it. It was dumb.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Read things before falling in line m8.cincybearcat said:
It’s just crazy.mrussel1 said:
You're comparing Pete to Stalin. That's absurd.ecdanc said:
So you’re moralistically grandstanding.mrussel1 said:
No, because the comparisons you drew were stupid. But at the end of the day, I don't care if you vote or not nor have I spent a moment reflecting on your personal decisions to vote or not to vote for the D candidate. I could not care less.ecdanc said:
So you accept the logical and moral validity of not voting for Bloomberg, Buttigieg, etc.mrussel1 said:
Well there could be a third party, I could be traveling for work or Mephistopheles might jump in at the last moment. You've migrated into silliness.ecdanc said:
So you’d vote for Trump?mrussel1 said:
That's kind of silly, but no I would not vote for the guy that purged his generals, set up the gulags and committed genocide against 7-10 million Ukrainians including my own extended family. Feels like an easy choice.ecdanc said:
And if it were Trump v. Stalin?mrussel1 said:
It's a difficult question because as much as I'm against his policies, his moral turpitude is worse. If Trump was still a Democrat, with this exact level of dishonesty, divisiveness, etc., and he ran against Romney or Kasich, I would vote Republican in a second.ecdanc said:A thought experiment: imagine the election was Trump v. Someone you personally think is worse than Trump (an almost unfathomable monster). Would you vote for Trump?ecdanc said:
(FYI: I was comparing Trump to Stalin in the thought experiment).But I disagree that anyone could look at trump and Pete or Amy or Warren or just about any other them (for me bernie has been an exception but as it gets closer I really don’t know if I could stay at home and not vote against trump) and think that they are so bad that it’s better to stay at home and end up with trump. I think trump is that bad. And I have a hard time seeing how any of those others rose anywhere close. Sure - you’ll say I’m projecting my moral compass, and I guess I am. But I’d like to know what about any of those candidates is worse then trump for someone that considers themselves “democrat” “moderate” “progressive” etc0 -
I wasn't referring to everyone. There are plenty of levelheaded people on here, yourself included.mrussel1 said:0
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