The Democratic Presidential Debates
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cincybearcat said:As I watch the Dems falling apart and attacking each other... I keep struggling with what to do if it’s Trump v Bernie.... man this sucks not having a party that represent you.Thats why Rs win. They don’t struggle. They show up with passion to make sure their ideology controls the country.
even if the man on the ballot brags about 15 year old girls. Even if he brags (or jokes) about raping women. Even if he trashes decades old conservative lore like balanced budgets.0 -
Maybe they win because Democrats say things like “have you checked your 401k lately?”Lerxst1992 said:cincybearcat said:As I watch the Dems falling apart and attacking each other... I keep struggling with what to do if it’s Trump v Bernie.... man this sucks not having a party that represent you.Thats why Rs win. They don’t struggle. They show up with passion to make sure their ideology controls the country.
even if the man on the ballot brags about 15 year old girls. Even if he brags (or jokes) about raping women. Even if he trashes decades old conservative lore like balanced budgets.0 -
mrussel1 said:
I was in for a poundpjl44 said:
I was. I couldn't tell if you were playing along or if you thought I was giving you a hard time.mrussel1 said:
I thought you were kiddingpjl44 said:
I think I may have laid it on a little too thickmrussel1 said:
That is very fortunate for you. And it makes it super easy to judge, knowing you're infallible in that judgment. Congratulations.pjl44 said:
As luck would have it, my ideology is the only true path to righteousnessmrussel1 said:
You're rendering the judgment based on the very data point of voting in the general election. My Lord, stay on point.ecdanc said:
What? What are you even saying? Do you actually mean to imply that the only forms of obliviousness in existence would necessarily lead one to vote for Trump?mrussel1 said:
How so? If I was oblivious, then why wouldn't I vote for Trump?ecdanc said:
I think it shows obliviousness to his privilege; and yours, it appears.mrussel1 said:
I think that shows the diversity of his perspective, that it isn't simply cultural or economic. Neither of old white guys represent what I believe either, regardless of how their policies affect me economically.ecdanc said:
To highlight the absurdity of him saying "man this sucks not having a party that represent [sic] you."mrussel1 said:
So what was the point of your question to Cincy?ecdanc said:
Yes, I am. And both parties represent my demographic (way more than I want them to). It would be absurd to say otherwise.mrussel1 said:
Aren't you? Median household income is 63k. Two PhD's in the family and all...ecdanc said:
Aren’t you an upper-middle-class white guy?cincybearcat said:As I watch the Dems falling apart and attacking each other... I keep struggling with what to do if it’s Trump v Bernie.... man this sucks not having a party that represent you.
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I guess despite saying a ton of times. I’m not voting for trump. But if the Bernie is the nominee it’s tough for me to vote FOR himLerxst1992 said:cincybearcat said:As I watch the Dems falling apart and attacking each other... I keep struggling with what to do if it’s Trump v Bernie.... man this sucks not having a party that represent you.Thats why Rs win. They don’t struggle. They show up with passion to make sure their ideology controls the country.
even if the man on the ballot brags about 15 year old girls. Even if he brags (or jokes) about raping women. Even if he trashes decades old conservative lore like balanced budgets.hippiemom = goodness0 -
Love that scene and the gifpjl44 said:mrussel1 said:
I was in for a poundpjl44 said:
I was. I couldn't tell if you were playing along or if you thought I was giving you a hard time.mrussel1 said:
I thought you were kiddingpjl44 said:
I think I may have laid it on a little too thickmrussel1 said:
That is very fortunate for you. And it makes it super easy to judge, knowing you're infallible in that judgment. Congratulations.pjl44 said:
As luck would have it, my ideology is the only true path to righteousnessmrussel1 said:
You're rendering the judgment based on the very data point of voting in the general election. My Lord, stay on point.ecdanc said:
What? What are you even saying? Do you actually mean to imply that the only forms of obliviousness in existence would necessarily lead one to vote for Trump?mrussel1 said:
How so? If I was oblivious, then why wouldn't I vote for Trump?ecdanc said:
I think it shows obliviousness to his privilege; and yours, it appears.mrussel1 said:
I think that shows the diversity of his perspective, that it isn't simply cultural or economic. Neither of old white guys represent what I believe either, regardless of how their policies affect me economically.ecdanc said:
To highlight the absurdity of him saying "man this sucks not having a party that represent [sic] you."mrussel1 said:
So what was the point of your question to Cincy?ecdanc said:
Yes, I am. And both parties represent my demographic (way more than I want them to). It would be absurd to say otherwise.mrussel1 said:
Aren't you? Median household income is 63k. Two PhD's in the family and all...ecdanc said:
Aren’t you an upper-middle-class white guy?cincybearcat said:As I watch the Dems falling apart and attacking each other... I keep struggling with what to do if it’s Trump v Bernie.... man this sucks not having a party that represent you.0 -
Cincy, while I understand this position (and I would only vote Sanders as a last resort based on not believing he can execute on his vision in any meaningful way in this political climate), it's worth remembering that in this duopoly, if you choose not to vote Trump, you will be effectively be assisting the Democratic candidate, no matter who that is. Because of that, a conscious decision to not vote (or to vote independent) means you will only have exerted 50% of what you could have to keep Trump out of office.cincybearcat said:
I guess despite saying a ton of times. I’m not voting for trump. But if the Bernie is the nominee it’s tough for me to vote FOR himLerxst1992 said:cincybearcat said:As I watch the Dems falling apart and attacking each other... I keep struggling with what to do if it’s Trump v Bernie.... man this sucks not having a party that represent you.Thats why Rs win. They don’t struggle. They show up with passion to make sure their ideology controls the country.
even if the man on the ballot brags about 15 year old girls. Even if he brags (or jokes) about raping women. Even if he trashes decades old conservative lore like balanced budgets.
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Cincy, while I understand this position (and I would only vote Sanders as a last resort based on not believing he can execute on his vision in any meaningful way in this political climate), it's worth remembering that in this duopoly, if you choose not to vote Trump, you will be effectively be assisting the Democratic candidate, no matter who that is. Because of that, a conscious decision to not vote (or to vote independent) means you will only have exerted 50% of what you could have to keep Trump out of office.cincybearcat said:
I guess despite saying a ton of times. I’m not voting for trump. But if the Bernie is the nominee it’s tough for me to vote FOR himLerxst1992 said:cincybearcat said:As I watch the Dems falling apart and attacking each other... I keep struggling with what to do if it’s Trump v Bernie.... man this sucks not having a party that represent you.Thats why Rs win. They don’t struggle. They show up with passion to make sure their ideology controls the country.
even if the man on the ballot brags about 15 year old girls. Even if he brags (or jokes) about raping women. Even if he trashes decades old conservative lore like balanced budgets.what I am getting from Cincy, it would be a vote against Trump, not a vote for an agenda he can get behind. But I gather he would vote D to axe Trump but that would leave a bad taste...._____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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As the Democratic presidential candidates make their closing arguments to New Hampshire voters ahead of Tuesday’s primary, the leading contenders traded barbs on the Sunday morning news shows, with former South Bend, Ind., mayor Pete Buttigieg and Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) fending off questions about their vulnerabilities.Buttigieg, who has faced increasing attacks from his Democratic rivals after effectively tying Sanders for first place in last week’s Iowa caucuses, was asked to respond to a claim by former vice president Joe Biden that “this guy’s not a Barack Obama.“Well, he’s right. I’m not. And neither is he,” Buttigieg said of Biden on CNN’s “State of the Union.” “Neither is any of us running for president. And this isn’t 2008. It’s 2020. And we are in a new moment calling for a different kind of leadership.”
Buttigieg also responded to Sanders’s attack on him for raising money from wealthy donors.“Bernie is pretty rich, and I would happily accept a contribution from him,” he said on CNN.
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Facebook post from Dan RatherThey are counting on despair. That's how they win.
Those who seek to undermine our democracy, to normalize corruption and hate and division... They are counting on despair.
Those who say our votes don't matter, that facts don't matter, that the truth doesn't matter... They are counting on despair.
Those who say there are "real Americans," that we need to go back to a mythic past, that we should close ourselves to the world... They are counting on despair.
Those who would despoil our environment and undermine science... They are counting on despair.
Those who would gaslight, lie, and revel in propaganda... They are counting on despair.
Those who look the other way, make excuses, and normalize autocracy... They are counting on despair.
There is a tendency to feel the despair well up from within, and not recognize it as a weapon being wielded with precision and purpose from without. They are counting on despair.
The greatest leaders in our history knew that despair is toxic to progress. Washington at Valley Forge. Lincoln at Gettysburg. Martin Luther King, Jr. in Birmingham. But more than the famous names are the countless women and men who have fought back against despair in the service of hope, and progress. I have seen it in foxholes, on picket lines, in classrooms, and in midst of natural disasters. I have seen it in the marches, movements, and moments where people rose up and said our world can be better, and we will do the hard work to make it so.
Despair these days is an understandable feeling. Our world seems in many ways upside down. To fight against the odds, against the powerful, against the morally bankrupt, is exhausting. But just remember, they are counting on despair. Will you let them have it?
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mickeyrat said:Facebook post from Dan RatherThey are counting on despair. That's how they win.
Those who seek to undermine our democracy, to normalize corruption and hate and division... They are counting on despair.
Those who say our votes don't matter, that facts don't matter, that the truth doesn't matter... They are counting on despair.
Those who say there are "real Americans," that we need to go back to a mythic past, that we should close ourselves to the world... They are counting on despair.
Those who would despoil our environment and undermine science... They are counting on despair.
Those who would gaslight, lie, and revel in propaganda... They are counting on despair.
Those who look the other way, make excuses, and normalize autocracy... They are counting on despair.
There is a tendency to feel the despair well up from within, and not recognize it as a weapon being wielded with precision and purpose from without. They are counting on despair.
The greatest leaders in our history knew that despair is toxic to progress. Washington at Valley Forge. Lincoln at Gettysburg. Martin Luther King, Jr. in Birmingham. But more than the famous names are the countless women and men who have fought back against despair in the service of hope, and progress. I have seen it in foxholes, on picket lines, in classrooms, and in midst of natural disasters. I have seen it in the marches, movements, and moments where people rose up and said our world can be better, and we will do the hard work to make it so.
Despair these days is an understandable feeling. Our world seems in many ways upside down. To fight against the odds, against the powerful, against the morally bankrupt, is exhausting. But just remember, they are counting on despair. Will you let them have it?
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cincybearcat said:As I watch the Dems falling apart and attacking each other... I keep struggling with what to do if it’s Trump v Bernie.... man this sucks not having a party that represent you.I thought about your post here off and on today, Cincy. I understand your frustration oh so well.This evening, I was reading the lasted from the Yang folks on the FB page and wished it were not a group deal (though easy enough to sign on) and were more broadly read because the people there are inspired by their candidate and still on fire. If more people saw this, I think they would be impressed and motivated by a good choice for a change.There was some disappointment with Iowa, but no one is throwing in the towel. We are all excited to have someone we actually LIKE, not just tolerate. The vibe there is positive and Yang's commitment and drive a super impressive. I'll vote for whomever the Dems pick in the long run, but right now my money (literally) is on Yang.Post edited by brianlux on"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0
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A vote not for Bernie would be a vote for Trump (if Bernie-boy is the nominee). In 2020. No time to play around. You have a rapist in chief who does negative work when it comes to climate change.cincybearcat said:
I guess despite saying a ton of times. I’m not voting for trump. But if the Bernie is the nominee it’s tough for me to vote FOR himLerxst1992 said:cincybearcat said:As I watch the Dems falling apart and attacking each other... I keep struggling with what to do if it’s Trump v Bernie.... man this sucks not having a party that represent you.Thats why Rs win. They don’t struggle. They show up with passion to make sure their ideology controls the country.
even if the man on the ballot brags about 15 year old girls. Even if he brags (or jokes) about raping women. Even if he trashes decades old conservative lore like balanced budgets.
But who knows, maybe it will be Cool Hand Amy VS Trump.Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
I live in Sweden. I don't know what 401k is (guess it is something to do with yearly taxes). Sounds like a Warhammer expansion.Lerxst1992 said:Spiritual_Chaos said:
it’s really the wrong year to make that claim SC. Have you checked your 401k lately?"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
Biden: ‘Poor Kids’ Are Just as Smart as ‘White Kids’
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Bernie should quit whining about Iowa and move on already. Really Bernie, you can’t win coming in second in Iowa?09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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Halifax2TheMax said:Bernie should quit whining about Iowa and move on already. Really Bernie, you can’t win coming in second in Iowa?
We are going to have an economic revolution and the difference will be two delegates. (Oops)
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Lerxst1992 said:Halifax2TheMax said:Bernie should quit whining about Iowa and move on already. Really Bernie, you can’t win coming in second in Iowa?
We are going to have an economic revolution and the difference will be two delegates. (Oops)
/sis it Bernie himself or his campaign manager. Am only seeing this in print or screen shots from twitter posts within a print article.so not seeing and hearing an interview, you dont know or get the full conversation, you know?_____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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Timestamp on when he "whined" about Iowa the most recent?Halifax2TheMax said:Bernie should quit whining about Iowa and move on already. Really Bernie, you can’t win coming in second in Iowa?
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https://apple.news/AizHAnpitRHyONtTeS2qU9QSpiritual_Chaos said:
Timestamp on when he "whined" about Iowa the most recent?Halifax2TheMax said:Bernie should quit whining about Iowa and move on already. Really Bernie, you can’t win coming in second in Iowa?
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what that wapo article describes for the caucus process suggests it needs to be simplified or scrapped entirely. the worksheets seem overcomplicated for the importance placed on the states first in the nation status.Halifax2TheMax said:
https://apple.news/AizHAnpitRHyONtTeS2qU9QSpiritual_Chaos said:
Timestamp on when he "whined" about Iowa the most recent?Halifax2TheMax said:Bernie should quit whining about Iowa and move on already. Really Bernie, you can’t win coming in second in Iowa?
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memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '140
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