AOC and the "Center-Right" Democratic Party
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Really?ecdanc said:
What was so great about those decades?mcgruff10 said:
Yeah but that led to six years of civil war.ecdanc said:
The Bolshevik Revolution. Where do you see capitalism’s greatest success?mcgruff10 said:
Where do you see communism's greatest success in history?ecdanc said:
I’m no quitter.mrussel1 said:
Marx, Karl is a only a philosopher, whose theories failed in real world applications.ecdanc said:
Elsewhere you’ve dismissed my views because I’m not an expert, so I’ll simply point you to experts. Begin with Marx, Karl.mrussel1 said:
It's not a trick, it's a fact that communism has not been successfully implemented. Even in China, it is a shell of what Marxism was, and more closely aligned with state manipulated capitalism. The state takes advantage of the world's capitalism to prop up its economy. The world is moving away from communism, not towards it. I see no evidence of your statement being accurate.ecdanc said:
That’s a trick question. Historical materialism and all...they’re all just steps on the evolution toward communism.mrussel1 said:
Clever. So what economic system had been proven to be more successful via the successful implementation by a country?ecdanc said:
That wasn’t your question.mrussel1 said:
Now which country are you arguing has successfully implemented it?ecdanc said:
Communism.mrussel1 said:
Compared to Marxism, feudalism, and every other system, you're damn right. Our mixed economy has pulled more people out of poverty than any other system. Look at the numbers. Tell me the economic system that's better than the mixed system we have used for the better part of a century.ecdanc said:
But capitalism has?mrussel1 said:
I didn't study Marx academically. Im an executive at a financial services organization and we always know the macro conditions, credit quality, roll rates, delinquencies, NACO, Cecl rules and every other metric you can possibly fathom. But your worldwide proletariat comment is dumb. True Marxism has never succeeded in practice.ecdanc said:
Now now. No temper tantrums. You told me you know economics, so you must know Marx.mrussel1 said:
Stfu. You post dumber shit every time you hit the keyboard. You claim to want a serious discussion but are incapable.ecdanc said:
Who said anything about a country?mrussel1 said:
You're right, I won't live in a country where the state controls the resources.ecdanc said:
Under communism, you won’t have to.mrussel1 said:
No thanks. I came from working class. I worked hard to not put on a uniform everyday like my father.ecdanc said:
I prefer “proletariat of the world, unite!”mrussel1 said:
e pluribus unum... damn straight.what dreams said:I'm going with the old cliche about about how I can't be contained by a label. Many issues require complicated solutions. Compromise doesn't mean giving up. It means everybody gets something, and the stuff you don't agree on, you leave off the table. We are a pluralistic country, e pluribus unum. This despotic power grab by the Republican party has wrecking our country, and now the response by the AOCs of the world is to do the same thing. Their version of despotism scares me just as much. Power in this country was meant to be shared.
Me personally I think the 90's or the 40's.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
Then gtfo out of this capitalistic country. Have the courage of your convictions. My father escaped, what's stopping you? Certainly not the government.ecdanc said:
Capitalism killed many people I love.mrussel1 said:
And while you may think revolution is fun to study, my entire extended family was murdered thanks to the Soviet communist revolution. Wiped out and disappeared. So anyone who thinks the Red October was some great workers success never studied the history and effects on the peasants of the Ukraine and other surrounding countries. That government sickens me to this day.ecdanc said:
The Bolshevik Revolution. Where do you see capitalism’s greatest success?mcgruff10 said:
Where do you see communism's greatest success in history?ecdanc said:
I’m no quitter.mrussel1 said:
Marx, Karl is a only a philosopher, whose theories failed in real world applications.ecdanc said:
Elsewhere you’ve dismissed my views because I’m not an expert, so I’ll simply point you to experts. Begin with Marx, Karl.mrussel1 said:
It's not a trick, it's a fact that communism has not been successfully implemented. Even in China, it is a shell of what Marxism was, and more closely aligned with state manipulated capitalism. The state takes advantage of the world's capitalism to prop up its economy. The world is moving away from communism, not towards it. I see no evidence of your statement being accurate.ecdanc said:
That’s a trick question. Historical materialism and all...they’re all just steps on the evolution toward communism.mrussel1 said:
Clever. So what economic system had been proven to be more successful via the successful implementation by a country?ecdanc said:
That wasn’t your question.mrussel1 said:
Now which country are you arguing has successfully implemented it?ecdanc said:
Communism.mrussel1 said:
Compared to Marxism, feudalism, and every other system, you're damn right. Our mixed economy has pulled more people out of poverty than any other system. Look at the numbers. Tell me the economic system that's better than the mixed system we have used for the better part of a century.ecdanc said:
But capitalism has?mrussel1 said:
I didn't study Marx academically. Im an executive at a financial services organization and we always know the macro conditions, credit quality, roll rates, delinquencies, NACO, Cecl rules and every other metric you can possibly fathom. But your worldwide proletariat comment is dumb. True Marxism has never succeeded in practice.ecdanc said:
Now now. No temper tantrums. You told me you know economics, so you must know Marx.mrussel1 said:
Stfu. You post dumber shit every time you hit the keyboard. You claim to want a serious discussion but are incapable.ecdanc said:
Who said anything about a country?mrussel1 said:
You're right, I won't live in a country where the state controls the resources.ecdanc said:
Under communism, you won’t have to.mrussel1 said:
No thanks. I came from working class. I worked hard to not put on a uniform everyday like my father.ecdanc said:
I prefer “proletariat of the world, unite!”mrussel1 said:
e pluribus unum... damn straight.what dreams said:I'm going with the old cliche about about how I can't be contained by a label. Many issues require complicated solutions. Compromise doesn't mean giving up. It means everybody gets something, and the stuff you don't agree on, you leave off the table. We are a pluralistic country, e pluribus unum. This despotic power grab by the Republican party has wrecking our country, and now the response by the AOCs of the world is to do the same thing. Their version of despotism scares me just as much. Power in this country was meant to be shared.0 -
Yes, really.mcgruff10 said:
Really?ecdanc said:
What was so great about those decades?mcgruff10 said:
Yeah but that led to six years of civil war.ecdanc said:
The Bolshevik Revolution. Where do you see capitalism’s greatest success?mcgruff10 said:
Where do you see communism's greatest success in history?ecdanc said:
I’m no quitter.mrussel1 said:
Marx, Karl is a only a philosopher, whose theories failed in real world applications.ecdanc said:
Elsewhere you’ve dismissed my views because I’m not an expert, so I’ll simply point you to experts. Begin with Marx, Karl.mrussel1 said:
It's not a trick, it's a fact that communism has not been successfully implemented. Even in China, it is a shell of what Marxism was, and more closely aligned with state manipulated capitalism. The state takes advantage of the world's capitalism to prop up its economy. The world is moving away from communism, not towards it. I see no evidence of your statement being accurate.ecdanc said:
That’s a trick question. Historical materialism and all...they’re all just steps on the evolution toward communism.mrussel1 said:
Clever. So what economic system had been proven to be more successful via the successful implementation by a country?ecdanc said:
That wasn’t your question.mrussel1 said:
Now which country are you arguing has successfully implemented it?ecdanc said:
Communism.mrussel1 said:
Compared to Marxism, feudalism, and every other system, you're damn right. Our mixed economy has pulled more people out of poverty than any other system. Look at the numbers. Tell me the economic system that's better than the mixed system we have used for the better part of a century.ecdanc said:
But capitalism has?mrussel1 said:
I didn't study Marx academically. Im an executive at a financial services organization and we always know the macro conditions, credit quality, roll rates, delinquencies, NACO, Cecl rules and every other metric you can possibly fathom. But your worldwide proletariat comment is dumb. True Marxism has never succeeded in practice.ecdanc said:
Now now. No temper tantrums. You told me you know economics, so you must know Marx.mrussel1 said:
Stfu. You post dumber shit every time you hit the keyboard. You claim to want a serious discussion but are incapable.ecdanc said:
Who said anything about a country?mrussel1 said:
You're right, I won't live in a country where the state controls the resources.ecdanc said:
Under communism, you won’t have to.mrussel1 said:
No thanks. I came from working class. I worked hard to not put on a uniform everyday like my father.ecdanc said:
I prefer “proletariat of the world, unite!”mrussel1 said:
e pluribus unum... damn straight.what dreams said:I'm going with the old cliche about about how I can't be contained by a label. Many issues require complicated solutions. Compromise doesn't mean giving up. It means everybody gets something, and the stuff you don't agree on, you leave off the table. We are a pluralistic country, e pluribus unum. This despotic power grab by the Republican party has wrecking our country, and now the response by the AOCs of the world is to do the same thing. Their version of despotism scares me just as much. Power in this country was meant to be shared.
Me personally I think the 90's or the 40's.0 -
Where did your father escape from? Not 1917 Russia?mrussel1 said:
Then gtfo out of this capitalistic country. Have the courage of your convictions. My father escaped, what's stopping you? Certainly not the government.ecdanc said:
Capitalism killed many people I love.mrussel1 said:
And while you may think revolution is fun to study, my entire extended family was murdered thanks to the Soviet communist revolution. Wiped out and disappeared. So anyone who thinks the Red October was some great workers success never studied the history and effects on the peasants of the Ukraine and other surrounding countries. That government sickens me to this day.ecdanc said:
The Bolshevik Revolution. Where do you see capitalism’s greatest success?mcgruff10 said:
Where do you see communism's greatest success in history?ecdanc said:
I’m no quitter.mrussel1 said:
Marx, Karl is a only a philosopher, whose theories failed in real world applications.ecdanc said:
Elsewhere you’ve dismissed my views because I’m not an expert, so I’ll simply point you to experts. Begin with Marx, Karl.mrussel1 said:
It's not a trick, it's a fact that communism has not been successfully implemented. Even in China, it is a shell of what Marxism was, and more closely aligned with state manipulated capitalism. The state takes advantage of the world's capitalism to prop up its economy. The world is moving away from communism, not towards it. I see no evidence of your statement being accurate.ecdanc said:
That’s a trick question. Historical materialism and all...they’re all just steps on the evolution toward communism.mrussel1 said:
Clever. So what economic system had been proven to be more successful via the successful implementation by a country?ecdanc said:
That wasn’t your question.mrussel1 said:
Now which country are you arguing has successfully implemented it?ecdanc said:
Communism.mrussel1 said:
Compared to Marxism, feudalism, and every other system, you're damn right. Our mixed economy has pulled more people out of poverty than any other system. Look at the numbers. Tell me the economic system that's better than the mixed system we have used for the better part of a century.ecdanc said:
But capitalism has?mrussel1 said:
I didn't study Marx academically. Im an executive at a financial services organization and we always know the macro conditions, credit quality, roll rates, delinquencies, NACO, Cecl rules and every other metric you can possibly fathom. But your worldwide proletariat comment is dumb. True Marxism has never succeeded in practice.ecdanc said:
Now now. No temper tantrums. You told me you know economics, so you must know Marx.mrussel1 said:
Stfu. You post dumber shit every time you hit the keyboard. You claim to want a serious discussion but are incapable.ecdanc said:
Who said anything about a country?mrussel1 said:
You're right, I won't live in a country where the state controls the resources.ecdanc said:
Under communism, you won’t have to.mrussel1 said:
No thanks. I came from working class. I worked hard to not put on a uniform everyday like my father.ecdanc said:
I prefer “proletariat of the world, unite!”mrussel1 said:
e pluribus unum... damn straight.what dreams said:I'm going with the old cliche about about how I can't be contained by a label. Many issues require complicated solutions. Compromise doesn't mean giving up. It means everybody gets something, and the stuff you don't agree on, you leave off the table. We are a pluralistic country, e pluribus unum. This despotic power grab by the Republican party has wrecking our country, and now the response by the AOCs of the world is to do the same thing. Their version of despotism scares me just as much. Power in this country was meant to be shared.
I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
Already told you, I’m no quitter.mrussel1 said:
Then gtfo out of this capitalistic country. Have the courage of your convictions. My father escaped, what's stopping you? Certainly not the government.ecdanc said:
Capitalism killed many people I love.mrussel1 said:
And while you may think revolution is fun to study, my entire extended family was murdered thanks to the Soviet communist revolution. Wiped out and disappeared. So anyone who thinks the Red October was some great workers success never studied the history and effects on the peasants of the Ukraine and other surrounding countries. That government sickens me to this day.ecdanc said:
The Bolshevik Revolution. Where do you see capitalism’s greatest success?mcgruff10 said:
Where do you see communism's greatest success in history?ecdanc said:
I’m no quitter.mrussel1 said:
Marx, Karl is a only a philosopher, whose theories failed in real world applications.ecdanc said:
Elsewhere you’ve dismissed my views because I’m not an expert, so I’ll simply point you to experts. Begin with Marx, Karl.mrussel1 said:
It's not a trick, it's a fact that communism has not been successfully implemented. Even in China, it is a shell of what Marxism was, and more closely aligned with state manipulated capitalism. The state takes advantage of the world's capitalism to prop up its economy. The world is moving away from communism, not towards it. I see no evidence of your statement being accurate.ecdanc said:
That’s a trick question. Historical materialism and all...they’re all just steps on the evolution toward communism.mrussel1 said:
Clever. So what economic system had been proven to be more successful via the successful implementation by a country?ecdanc said:
That wasn’t your question.mrussel1 said:
Now which country are you arguing has successfully implemented it?ecdanc said:
Communism.mrussel1 said:
Compared to Marxism, feudalism, and every other system, you're damn right. Our mixed economy has pulled more people out of poverty than any other system. Look at the numbers. Tell me the economic system that's better than the mixed system we have used for the better part of a century.ecdanc said:
But capitalism has?mrussel1 said:
I didn't study Marx academically. Im an executive at a financial services organization and we always know the macro conditions, credit quality, roll rates, delinquencies, NACO, Cecl rules and every other metric you can possibly fathom. But your worldwide proletariat comment is dumb. True Marxism has never succeeded in practice.ecdanc said:
Now now. No temper tantrums. You told me you know economics, so you must know Marx.mrussel1 said:
Stfu. You post dumber shit every time you hit the keyboard. You claim to want a serious discussion but are incapable.ecdanc said:
Who said anything about a country?mrussel1 said:
You're right, I won't live in a country where the state controls the resources.ecdanc said:
Under communism, you won’t have to.mrussel1 said:
No thanks. I came from working class. I worked hard to not put on a uniform everyday like my father.ecdanc said:
I prefer “proletariat of the world, unite!”mrussel1 said:
e pluribus unum... damn straight.what dreams said:I'm going with the old cliche about about how I can't be contained by a label. Many issues require complicated solutions. Compromise doesn't mean giving up. It means everybody gets something, and the stuff you don't agree on, you leave off the table. We are a pluralistic country, e pluribus unum. This despotic power grab by the Republican party has wrecking our country, and now the response by the AOCs of the world is to do the same thing. Their version of despotism scares me just as much. Power in this country was meant to be shared.0 -
The Ukraine in the late 20s. My father had me when he was much older. Died in 93.mcgruff10 said:
Where did your father escape from? Not 1917 Russia?mrussel1 said:
Then gtfo out of this capitalistic country. Have the courage of your convictions. My father escaped, what's stopping you? Certainly not the government.ecdanc said:
Capitalism killed many people I love.mrussel1 said:
And while you may think revolution is fun to study, my entire extended family was murdered thanks to the Soviet communist revolution. Wiped out and disappeared. So anyone who thinks the Red October was some great workers success never studied the history and effects on the peasants of the Ukraine and other surrounding countries. That government sickens me to this day.ecdanc said:
The Bolshevik Revolution. Where do you see capitalism’s greatest success?mcgruff10 said:
Where do you see communism's greatest success in history?ecdanc said:
I’m no quitter.mrussel1 said:
Marx, Karl is a only a philosopher, whose theories failed in real world applications.ecdanc said:
Elsewhere you’ve dismissed my views because I’m not an expert, so I’ll simply point you to experts. Begin with Marx, Karl.mrussel1 said:
It's not a trick, it's a fact that communism has not been successfully implemented. Even in China, it is a shell of what Marxism was, and more closely aligned with state manipulated capitalism. The state takes advantage of the world's capitalism to prop up its economy. The world is moving away from communism, not towards it. I see no evidence of your statement being accurate.ecdanc said:
That’s a trick question. Historical materialism and all...they’re all just steps on the evolution toward communism.mrussel1 said:
Clever. So what economic system had been proven to be more successful via the successful implementation by a country?ecdanc said:
That wasn’t your question.mrussel1 said:
Now which country are you arguing has successfully implemented it?ecdanc said:
Communism.mrussel1 said:
Compared to Marxism, feudalism, and every other system, you're damn right. Our mixed economy has pulled more people out of poverty than any other system. Look at the numbers. Tell me the economic system that's better than the mixed system we have used for the better part of a century.ecdanc said:
But capitalism has?mrussel1 said:
I didn't study Marx academically. Im an executive at a financial services organization and we always know the macro conditions, credit quality, roll rates, delinquencies, NACO, Cecl rules and every other metric you can possibly fathom. But your worldwide proletariat comment is dumb. True Marxism has never succeeded in practice.ecdanc said:
Now now. No temper tantrums. You told me you know economics, so you must know Marx.mrussel1 said:
Stfu. You post dumber shit every time you hit the keyboard. You claim to want a serious discussion but are incapable.ecdanc said:
Who said anything about a country?mrussel1 said:
You're right, I won't live in a country where the state controls the resources.ecdanc said:
Under communism, you won’t have to.mrussel1 said:
No thanks. I came from working class. I worked hard to not put on a uniform everyday like my father.ecdanc said:
I prefer “proletariat of the world, unite!”mrussel1 said:
e pluribus unum... damn straight.what dreams said:I'm going with the old cliche about about how I can't be contained by a label. Many issues require complicated solutions. Compromise doesn't mean giving up. It means everybody gets something, and the stuff you don't agree on, you leave off the table. We are a pluralistic country, e pluribus unum. This despotic power grab by the Republican party has wrecking our country, and now the response by the AOCs of the world is to do the same thing. Their version of despotism scares me just as much. Power in this country was meant to be shared.0 -
The whole dot com industry of the 90s and how the us came out of the depression in response to ww2. Suburbs and all that great stuff.ecdanc said:
Yes, really.mcgruff10 said:
Really?ecdanc said:
What was so great about those decades?mcgruff10 said:
Yeah but that led to six years of civil war.ecdanc said:
The Bolshevik Revolution. Where do you see capitalism’s greatest success?mcgruff10 said:
Where do you see communism's greatest success in history?ecdanc said:
I’m no quitter.mrussel1 said:
Marx, Karl is a only a philosopher, whose theories failed in real world applications.ecdanc said:
Elsewhere you’ve dismissed my views because I’m not an expert, so I’ll simply point you to experts. Begin with Marx, Karl.mrussel1 said:
It's not a trick, it's a fact that communism has not been successfully implemented. Even in China, it is a shell of what Marxism was, and more closely aligned with state manipulated capitalism. The state takes advantage of the world's capitalism to prop up its economy. The world is moving away from communism, not towards it. I see no evidence of your statement being accurate.ecdanc said:
That’s a trick question. Historical materialism and all...they’re all just steps on the evolution toward communism.mrussel1 said:
Clever. So what economic system had been proven to be more successful via the successful implementation by a country?ecdanc said:
That wasn’t your question.mrussel1 said:
Now which country are you arguing has successfully implemented it?ecdanc said:
Communism.mrussel1 said:
Compared to Marxism, feudalism, and every other system, you're damn right. Our mixed economy has pulled more people out of poverty than any other system. Look at the numbers. Tell me the economic system that's better than the mixed system we have used for the better part of a century.ecdanc said:
But capitalism has?mrussel1 said:
I didn't study Marx academically. Im an executive at a financial services organization and we always know the macro conditions, credit quality, roll rates, delinquencies, NACO, Cecl rules and every other metric you can possibly fathom. But your worldwide proletariat comment is dumb. True Marxism has never succeeded in practice.ecdanc said:
Now now. No temper tantrums. You told me you know economics, so you must know Marx.mrussel1 said:
Stfu. You post dumber shit every time you hit the keyboard. You claim to want a serious discussion but are incapable.ecdanc said:
Who said anything about a country?mrussel1 said:
You're right, I won't live in a country where the state controls the resources.ecdanc said:
Under communism, you won’t have to.mrussel1 said:
No thanks. I came from working class. I worked hard to not put on a uniform everyday like my father.ecdanc said:
I prefer “proletariat of the world, unite!”mrussel1 said:
e pluribus unum... damn straight.what dreams said:I'm going with the old cliche about about how I can't be contained by a label. Many issues require complicated solutions. Compromise doesn't mean giving up. It means everybody gets something, and the stuff you don't agree on, you leave off the table. We are a pluralistic country, e pluribus unum. This despotic power grab by the Republican party has wrecking our country, and now the response by the AOCs of the world is to do the same thing. Their version of despotism scares me just as much. Power in this country was meant to be shared.
Me personally I think the 90's or the 40's.
I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
Yeah that's not what I'd call what you're doing. You're enjoying the freedom and luxury of this society while taking shots at it, and not to incrementally improve it. You criticize it and long for a system that has done nothing but oppress and murder its own people, while practicing unfettered corruption. Real brave.ecdanc said:
Already told you, I’m no quitter.mrussel1 said:
Then gtfo out of this capitalistic country. Have the courage of your convictions. My father escaped, what's stopping you? Certainly not the government.ecdanc said:
Capitalism killed many people I love.mrussel1 said:
And while you may think revolution is fun to study, my entire extended family was murdered thanks to the Soviet communist revolution. Wiped out and disappeared. So anyone who thinks the Red October was some great workers success never studied the history and effects on the peasants of the Ukraine and other surrounding countries. That government sickens me to this day.ecdanc said:
The Bolshevik Revolution. Where do you see capitalism’s greatest success?mcgruff10 said:
Where do you see communism's greatest success in history?ecdanc said:
I’m no quitter.mrussel1 said:
Marx, Karl is a only a philosopher, whose theories failed in real world applications.ecdanc said:
Elsewhere you’ve dismissed my views because I’m not an expert, so I’ll simply point you to experts. Begin with Marx, Karl.mrussel1 said:
It's not a trick, it's a fact that communism has not been successfully implemented. Even in China, it is a shell of what Marxism was, and more closely aligned with state manipulated capitalism. The state takes advantage of the world's capitalism to prop up its economy. The world is moving away from communism, not towards it. I see no evidence of your statement being accurate.ecdanc said:
That’s a trick question. Historical materialism and all...they’re all just steps on the evolution toward communism.mrussel1 said:
Clever. So what economic system had been proven to be more successful via the successful implementation by a country?ecdanc said:
That wasn’t your question.mrussel1 said:
Now which country are you arguing has successfully implemented it?ecdanc said:
Communism.mrussel1 said:
Compared to Marxism, feudalism, and every other system, you're damn right. Our mixed economy has pulled more people out of poverty than any other system. Look at the numbers. Tell me the economic system that's better than the mixed system we have used for the better part of a century.ecdanc said:
But capitalism has?mrussel1 said:
I didn't study Marx academically. Im an executive at a financial services organization and we always know the macro conditions, credit quality, roll rates, delinquencies, NACO, Cecl rules and every other metric you can possibly fathom. But your worldwide proletariat comment is dumb. True Marxism has never succeeded in practice.ecdanc said:
Now now. No temper tantrums. You told me you know economics, so you must know Marx.mrussel1 said:
Stfu. You post dumber shit every time you hit the keyboard. You claim to want a serious discussion but are incapable.ecdanc said:
Who said anything about a country?mrussel1 said:
You're right, I won't live in a country where the state controls the resources.ecdanc said:
Under communism, you won’t have to.mrussel1 said:
No thanks. I came from working class. I worked hard to not put on a uniform everyday like my father.ecdanc said:
I prefer “proletariat of the world, unite!”mrussel1 said:
e pluribus unum... damn straight.what dreams said:I'm going with the old cliche about about how I can't be contained by a label. Many issues require complicated solutions. Compromise doesn't mean giving up. It means everybody gets something, and the stuff you don't agree on, you leave off the table. We are a pluralistic country, e pluribus unum. This despotic power grab by the Republican party has wrecking our country, and now the response by the AOCs of the world is to do the same thing. Their version of despotism scares me just as much. Power in this country was meant to be shared.0 -
Oy. Never mindmcgruff10 said:
The whole dot com industry of the 90s and how the us came out of the depression in response to ww2. Suburbs and all that great stuff.ecdanc said:
Yes, really.mcgruff10 said:
Really?ecdanc said:
What was so great about those decades?mcgruff10 said:
Yeah but that led to six years of civil war.ecdanc said:
The Bolshevik Revolution. Where do you see capitalism’s greatest success?mcgruff10 said:
Where do you see communism's greatest success in history?ecdanc said:
I’m no quitter.mrussel1 said:
Marx, Karl is a only a philosopher, whose theories failed in real world applications.ecdanc said:
Elsewhere you’ve dismissed my views because I’m not an expert, so I’ll simply point you to experts. Begin with Marx, Karl.mrussel1 said:
It's not a trick, it's a fact that communism has not been successfully implemented. Even in China, it is a shell of what Marxism was, and more closely aligned with state manipulated capitalism. The state takes advantage of the world's capitalism to prop up its economy. The world is moving away from communism, not towards it. I see no evidence of your statement being accurate.ecdanc said:
That’s a trick question. Historical materialism and all...they’re all just steps on the evolution toward communism.mrussel1 said:
Clever. So what economic system had been proven to be more successful via the successful implementation by a country?ecdanc said:
That wasn’t your question.mrussel1 said:
Now which country are you arguing has successfully implemented it?ecdanc said:
Communism.mrussel1 said:
Compared to Marxism, feudalism, and every other system, you're damn right. Our mixed economy has pulled more people out of poverty than any other system. Look at the numbers. Tell me the economic system that's better than the mixed system we have used for the better part of a century.ecdanc said:
But capitalism has?mrussel1 said:
I didn't study Marx academically. Im an executive at a financial services organization and we always know the macro conditions, credit quality, roll rates, delinquencies, NACO, Cecl rules and every other metric you can possibly fathom. But your worldwide proletariat comment is dumb. True Marxism has never succeeded in practice.ecdanc said:
Now now. No temper tantrums. You told me you know economics, so you must know Marx.mrussel1 said:
Stfu. You post dumber shit every time you hit the keyboard. You claim to want a serious discussion but are incapable.ecdanc said:
Who said anything about a country?mrussel1 said:
You're right, I won't live in a country where the state controls the resources.ecdanc said:
Under communism, you won’t have to.mrussel1 said:
No thanks. I came from working class. I worked hard to not put on a uniform everyday like my father.ecdanc said:
I prefer “proletariat of the world, unite!”mrussel1 said:
e pluribus unum... damn straight.what dreams said:I'm going with the old cliche about about how I can't be contained by a label. Many issues require complicated solutions. Compromise doesn't mean giving up. It means everybody gets something, and the stuff you don't agree on, you leave off the table. We are a pluralistic country, e pluribus unum. This despotic power grab by the Republican party has wrecking our country, and now the response by the AOCs of the world is to do the same thing. Their version of despotism scares me just as much. Power in this country was meant to be shared.
Me personally I think the 90's or the 40's.0 -
You’re describing capitalism at the end there, righ?mrussel1 said:
Yeah that's not what I'd call what you're doing. You're enjoying the freedom and luxury of this society while taking shots at it, and not to incrementally improve it. You criticize it and long for a system that has done nothing but oppress and murder its own people, while practicing unfettered corruption. Real brave.ecdanc said:
Already told you, I’m no quitter.mrussel1 said:
Then gtfo out of this capitalistic country. Have the courage of your convictions. My father escaped, what's stopping you? Certainly not the government.ecdanc said:
Capitalism killed many people I love.mrussel1 said:
And while you may think revolution is fun to study, my entire extended family was murdered thanks to the Soviet communist revolution. Wiped out and disappeared. So anyone who thinks the Red October was some great workers success never studied the history and effects on the peasants of the Ukraine and other surrounding countries. That government sickens me to this day.ecdanc said:
The Bolshevik Revolution. Where do you see capitalism’s greatest success?mcgruff10 said:
Where do you see communism's greatest success in history?ecdanc said:
I’m no quitter.mrussel1 said:
Marx, Karl is a only a philosopher, whose theories failed in real world applications.ecdanc said:
Elsewhere you’ve dismissed my views because I’m not an expert, so I’ll simply point you to experts. Begin with Marx, Karl.mrussel1 said:
It's not a trick, it's a fact that communism has not been successfully implemented. Even in China, it is a shell of what Marxism was, and more closely aligned with state manipulated capitalism. The state takes advantage of the world's capitalism to prop up its economy. The world is moving away from communism, not towards it. I see no evidence of your statement being accurate.ecdanc said:
That’s a trick question. Historical materialism and all...they’re all just steps on the evolution toward communism.mrussel1 said:
Clever. So what economic system had been proven to be more successful via the successful implementation by a country?ecdanc said:
That wasn’t your question.mrussel1 said:
Now which country are you arguing has successfully implemented it?ecdanc said:
Communism.mrussel1 said:
Compared to Marxism, feudalism, and every other system, you're damn right. Our mixed economy has pulled more people out of poverty than any other system. Look at the numbers. Tell me the economic system that's better than the mixed system we have used for the better part of a century.ecdanc said:
But capitalism has?mrussel1 said:
I didn't study Marx academically. Im an executive at a financial services organization and we always know the macro conditions, credit quality, roll rates, delinquencies, NACO, Cecl rules and every other metric you can possibly fathom. But your worldwide proletariat comment is dumb. True Marxism has never succeeded in practice.ecdanc said:
Now now. No temper tantrums. You told me you know economics, so you must know Marx.mrussel1 said:
Stfu. You post dumber shit every time you hit the keyboard. You claim to want a serious discussion but are incapable.ecdanc said:
Who said anything about a country?mrussel1 said:
You're right, I won't live in a country where the state controls the resources.ecdanc said:
Under communism, you won’t have to.mrussel1 said:
No thanks. I came from working class. I worked hard to not put on a uniform everyday like my father.ecdanc said:
I prefer “proletariat of the world, unite!”mrussel1 said:
e pluribus unum... damn straight.what dreams said:I'm going with the old cliche about about how I can't be contained by a label. Many issues require complicated solutions. Compromise doesn't mean giving up. It means everybody gets something, and the stuff you don't agree on, you leave off the table. We are a pluralistic country, e pluribus unum. This despotic power grab by the Republican party has wrecking our country, and now the response by the AOCs of the world is to do the same thing. Their version of despotism scares me just as much. Power in this country was meant to be shared.0 -
Great album but I don’t follow.ecdanc said:
Oy. Never mindmcgruff10 said:
The whole dot com industry of the 90s and how the us came out of the depression in response to ww2. Suburbs and all that great stuff.ecdanc said:
Yes, really.mcgruff10 said:
Really?ecdanc said:
What was so great about those decades?mcgruff10 said:
Yeah but that led to six years of civil war.ecdanc said:
The Bolshevik Revolution. Where do you see capitalism’s greatest success?mcgruff10 said:
Where do you see communism's greatest success in history?ecdanc said:
I’m no quitter.mrussel1 said:
Marx, Karl is a only a philosopher, whose theories failed in real world applications.ecdanc said:
Elsewhere you’ve dismissed my views because I’m not an expert, so I’ll simply point you to experts. Begin with Marx, Karl.mrussel1 said:
It's not a trick, it's a fact that communism has not been successfully implemented. Even in China, it is a shell of what Marxism was, and more closely aligned with state manipulated capitalism. The state takes advantage of the world's capitalism to prop up its economy. The world is moving away from communism, not towards it. I see no evidence of your statement being accurate.ecdanc said:
That’s a trick question. Historical materialism and all...they’re all just steps on the evolution toward communism.mrussel1 said:
Clever. So what economic system had been proven to be more successful via the successful implementation by a country?ecdanc said:
That wasn’t your question.mrussel1 said:
Now which country are you arguing has successfully implemented it?ecdanc said:
Communism.mrussel1 said:
Compared to Marxism, feudalism, and every other system, you're damn right. Our mixed economy has pulled more people out of poverty than any other system. Look at the numbers. Tell me the economic system that's better than the mixed system we have used for the better part of a century.ecdanc said:
But capitalism has?mrussel1 said:
I didn't study Marx academically. Im an executive at a financial services organization and we always know the macro conditions, credit quality, roll rates, delinquencies, NACO, Cecl rules and every other metric you can possibly fathom. But your worldwide proletariat comment is dumb. True Marxism has never succeeded in practice.ecdanc said:
Now now. No temper tantrums. You told me you know economics, so you must know Marx.mrussel1 said:
Stfu. You post dumber shit every time you hit the keyboard. You claim to want a serious discussion but are incapable.ecdanc said:
Who said anything about a country?mrussel1 said:
You're right, I won't live in a country where the state controls the resources.ecdanc said:
Under communism, you won’t have to.mrussel1 said:
No thanks. I came from working class. I worked hard to not put on a uniform everyday like my father.ecdanc said:
I prefer “proletariat of the world, unite!”mrussel1 said:
e pluribus unum... damn straight.what dreams said:I'm going with the old cliche about about how I can't be contained by a label. Many issues require complicated solutions. Compromise doesn't mean giving up. It means everybody gets something, and the stuff you don't agree on, you leave off the table. We are a pluralistic country, e pluribus unum. This despotic power grab by the Republican party has wrecking our country, and now the response by the AOCs of the world is to do the same thing. Their version of despotism scares me just as much. Power in this country was meant to be shared.
Me personally I think the 90's or the 40's.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
Honestly anyone who’s going to point to a time before the civil rights movement as a great moment for capitalism...mcgruff10 said:
Great album but I don’t follow.ecdanc said:
Oy. Never mindmcgruff10 said:
The whole dot com industry of the 90s and how the us came out of the depression in response to ww2. Suburbs and all that great stuff.ecdanc said:
Yes, really.mcgruff10 said:
Really?ecdanc said:
What was so great about those decades?mcgruff10 said:
Yeah but that led to six years of civil war.ecdanc said:
The Bolshevik Revolution. Where do you see capitalism’s greatest success?mcgruff10 said:
Where do you see communism's greatest success in history?ecdanc said:
I’m no quitter.mrussel1 said:
Marx, Karl is a only a philosopher, whose theories failed in real world applications.ecdanc said:
Elsewhere you’ve dismissed my views because I’m not an expert, so I’ll simply point you to experts. Begin with Marx, Karl.mrussel1 said:
It's not a trick, it's a fact that communism has not been successfully implemented. Even in China, it is a shell of what Marxism was, and more closely aligned with state manipulated capitalism. The state takes advantage of the world's capitalism to prop up its economy. The world is moving away from communism, not towards it. I see no evidence of your statement being accurate.ecdanc said:
That’s a trick question. Historical materialism and all...they’re all just steps on the evolution toward communism.mrussel1 said:
Clever. So what economic system had been proven to be more successful via the successful implementation by a country?ecdanc said:
That wasn’t your question.mrussel1 said:
Now which country are you arguing has successfully implemented it?ecdanc said:
Communism.mrussel1 said:
Compared to Marxism, feudalism, and every other system, you're damn right. Our mixed economy has pulled more people out of poverty than any other system. Look at the numbers. Tell me the economic system that's better than the mixed system we have used for the better part of a century.ecdanc said:
But capitalism has?mrussel1 said:
I didn't study Marx academically. Im an executive at a financial services organization and we always know the macro conditions, credit quality, roll rates, delinquencies, NACO, Cecl rules and every other metric you can possibly fathom. But your worldwide proletariat comment is dumb. True Marxism has never succeeded in practice.ecdanc said:
Now now. No temper tantrums. You told me you know economics, so you must know Marx.mrussel1 said:
Stfu. You post dumber shit every time you hit the keyboard. You claim to want a serious discussion but are incapable.ecdanc said:
Who said anything about a country?mrussel1 said:
You're right, I won't live in a country where the state controls the resources.ecdanc said:
Under communism, you won’t have to.mrussel1 said:
No thanks. I came from working class. I worked hard to not put on a uniform everyday like my father.ecdanc said:
I prefer “proletariat of the world, unite!”mrussel1 said:
e pluribus unum... damn straight.what dreams said:I'm going with the old cliche about about how I can't be contained by a label. Many issues require complicated solutions. Compromise doesn't mean giving up. It means everybody gets something, and the stuff you don't agree on, you leave off the table. We are a pluralistic country, e pluribus unum. This despotic power grab by the Republican party has wrecking our country, and now the response by the AOCs of the world is to do the same thing. Their version of despotism scares me just as much. Power in this country was meant to be shared.
Me personally I think the 90's or the 40's.0 -
Oh geez I can’t. Don’t be that guy. Communism has killed how many millions of peopleecdanc said:
Honestly anyone who’s going to point to a time before the civil rights movement as a great moment for capitalism...mcgruff10 said:
Great album but I don’t follow.ecdanc said:
Oy. Never mindmcgruff10 said:
The whole dot com industry of the 90s and how the us came out of the depression in response to ww2. Suburbs and all that great stuff.ecdanc said:
Yes, really.mcgruff10 said:
Really?ecdanc said:
What was so great about those decades?mcgruff10 said:
Yeah but that led to six years of civil war.ecdanc said:
The Bolshevik Revolution. Where do you see capitalism’s greatest success?mcgruff10 said:
Where do you see communism's greatest success in history?ecdanc said:
I’m no quitter.mrussel1 said:
Marx, Karl is a only a philosopher, whose theories failed in real world applications.ecdanc said:
Elsewhere you’ve dismissed my views because I’m not an expert, so I’ll simply point you to experts. Begin with Marx, Karl.mrussel1 said:
It's not a trick, it's a fact that communism has not been successfully implemented. Even in China, it is a shell of what Marxism was, and more closely aligned with state manipulated capitalism. The state takes advantage of the world's capitalism to prop up its economy. The world is moving away from communism, not towards it. I see no evidence of your statement being accurate.ecdanc said:
That’s a trick question. Historical materialism and all...they’re all just steps on the evolution toward communism.mrussel1 said:
Clever. So what economic system had been proven to be more successful via the successful implementation by a country?ecdanc said:
That wasn’t your question.mrussel1 said:
Now which country are you arguing has successfully implemented it?ecdanc said:
Communism.mrussel1 said:
Compared to Marxism, feudalism, and every other system, you're damn right. Our mixed economy has pulled more people out of poverty than any other system. Look at the numbers. Tell me the economic system that's better than the mixed system we have used for the better part of a century.ecdanc said:
But capitalism has?mrussel1 said:
I didn't study Marx academically. Im an executive at a financial services organization and we always know the macro conditions, credit quality, roll rates, delinquencies, NACO, Cecl rules and every other metric you can possibly fathom. But your worldwide proletariat comment is dumb. True Marxism has never succeeded in practice.ecdanc said:
Now now. No temper tantrums. You told me you know economics, so you must know Marx.mrussel1 said:
Stfu. You post dumber shit every time you hit the keyboard. You claim to want a serious discussion but are incapable.ecdanc said:
Who said anything about a country?mrussel1 said:
You're right, I won't live in a country where the state controls the resources.ecdanc said:
Under communism, you won’t have to.mrussel1 said:
No thanks. I came from working class. I worked hard to not put on a uniform everyday like my father.ecdanc said:
I prefer “proletariat of the world, unite!”mrussel1 said:
e pluribus unum... damn straight.what dreams said:I'm going with the old cliche about about how I can't be contained by a label. Many issues require complicated solutions. Compromise doesn't mean giving up. It means everybody gets something, and the stuff you don't agree on, you leave off the table. We are a pluralistic country, e pluribus unum. This despotic power grab by the Republican party has wrecking our country, and now the response by the AOCs of the world is to do the same thing. Their version of despotism scares me just as much. Power in this country was meant to be shared.
Me personally I think the 90's or the 40's.
and I can’t go before 1968?
Post edited by mcgruff10 onI'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
Killed fewer than capitalism, bud.mcgruff10 said:
Oh geez I can’t. Don’t be that guy. Communism has killed how many millions of peopleecdanc said:
Honestly anyone who’s going to point to a time before the civil rights movement as a great moment for capitalism...mcgruff10 said:
Great album but I don’t follow.ecdanc said:
Oy. Never mindmcgruff10 said:
The whole dot com industry of the 90s and how the us came out of the depression in response to ww2. Suburbs and all that great stuff.ecdanc said:
Yes, really.mcgruff10 said:
Really?ecdanc said:
What was so great about those decades?mcgruff10 said:
Yeah but that led to six years of civil war.ecdanc said:
The Bolshevik Revolution. Where do you see capitalism’s greatest success?mcgruff10 said:
Where do you see communism's greatest success in history?ecdanc said:
I’m no quitter.mrussel1 said:
Marx, Karl is a only a philosopher, whose theories failed in real world applications.ecdanc said:
Elsewhere you’ve dismissed my views because I’m not an expert, so I’ll simply point you to experts. Begin with Marx, Karl.mrussel1 said:
It's not a trick, it's a fact that communism has not been successfully implemented. Even in China, it is a shell of what Marxism was, and more closely aligned with state manipulated capitalism. The state takes advantage of the world's capitalism to prop up its economy. The world is moving away from communism, not towards it. I see no evidence of your statement being accurate.ecdanc said:
That’s a trick question. Historical materialism and all...they’re all just steps on the evolution toward communism.mrussel1 said:
Clever. So what economic system had been proven to be more successful via the successful implementation by a country?ecdanc said:
That wasn’t your question.mrussel1 said:
Now which country are you arguing has successfully implemented it?ecdanc said:
Communism.mrussel1 said:
Compared to Marxism, feudalism, and every other system, you're damn right. Our mixed economy has pulled more people out of poverty than any other system. Look at the numbers. Tell me the economic system that's better than the mixed system we have used for the better part of a century.ecdanc said:
But capitalism has?mrussel1 said:
I didn't study Marx academically. Im an executive at a financial services organization and we always know the macro conditions, credit quality, roll rates, delinquencies, NACO, Cecl rules and every other metric you can possibly fathom. But your worldwide proletariat comment is dumb. True Marxism has never succeeded in practice.ecdanc said:
Now now. No temper tantrums. You told me you know economics, so you must know Marx.mrussel1 said:
Stfu. You post dumber shit every time you hit the keyboard. You claim to want a serious discussion but are incapable.ecdanc said:
Who said anything about a country?mrussel1 said:
You're right, I won't live in a country where the state controls the resources.ecdanc said:
Under communism, you won’t have to.mrussel1 said:
No thanks. I came from working class. I worked hard to not put on a uniform everyday like my father.ecdanc said:
I prefer “proletariat of the world, unite!”mrussel1 said:
e pluribus unum... damn straight.what dreams said:I'm going with the old cliche about about how I can't be contained by a label. Many issues require complicated solutions. Compromise doesn't mean giving up. It means everybody gets something, and the stuff you don't agree on, you leave off the table. We are a pluralistic country, e pluribus unum. This despotic power grab by the Republican party has wrecking our country, and now the response by the AOCs of the world is to do the same thing. Their version of despotism scares me just as much. Power in this country was meant to be shared.
Me personally I think the 90's or the 40's.
and I can’t go before 1968?0 -
Explain to me how a capitalistic government directly murdered members of your family. Unless you're vietnamese, I'll be quite skeptical. My extended family was wiped in Holodomor.ecdanc said:
You’re describing capitalism at the end there, righ?mrussel1 said:
Yeah that's not what I'd call what you're doing. You're enjoying the freedom and luxury of this society while taking shots at it, and not to incrementally improve it. You criticize it and long for a system that has done nothing but oppress and murder its own people, while practicing unfettered corruption. Real brave.ecdanc said:
Already told you, I’m no quitter.mrussel1 said:
Then gtfo out of this capitalistic country. Have the courage of your convictions. My father escaped, what's stopping you? Certainly not the government.ecdanc said:
Capitalism killed many people I love.mrussel1 said:
And while you may think revolution is fun to study, my entire extended family was murdered thanks to the Soviet communist revolution. Wiped out and disappeared. So anyone who thinks the Red October was some great workers success never studied the history and effects on the peasants of the Ukraine and other surrounding countries. That government sickens me to this day.ecdanc said:
The Bolshevik Revolution. Where do you see capitalism’s greatest success?mcgruff10 said:
Where do you see communism's greatest success in history?ecdanc said:
I’m no quitter.mrussel1 said:
Marx, Karl is a only a philosopher, whose theories failed in real world applications.ecdanc said:
Elsewhere you’ve dismissed my views because I’m not an expert, so I’ll simply point you to experts. Begin with Marx, Karl.mrussel1 said:
It's not a trick, it's a fact that communism has not been successfully implemented. Even in China, it is a shell of what Marxism was, and more closely aligned with state manipulated capitalism. The state takes advantage of the world's capitalism to prop up its economy. The world is moving away from communism, not towards it. I see no evidence of your statement being accurate.ecdanc said:
That’s a trick question. Historical materialism and all...they’re all just steps on the evolution toward communism.mrussel1 said:
Clever. So what economic system had been proven to be more successful via the successful implementation by a country?ecdanc said:
That wasn’t your question.mrussel1 said:
Now which country are you arguing has successfully implemented it?ecdanc said:
Communism.mrussel1 said:
Compared to Marxism, feudalism, and every other system, you're damn right. Our mixed economy has pulled more people out of poverty than any other system. Look at the numbers. Tell me the economic system that's better than the mixed system we have used for the better part of a century.ecdanc said:
But capitalism has?mrussel1 said:
I didn't study Marx academically. Im an executive at a financial services organization and we always know the macro conditions, credit quality, roll rates, delinquencies, NACO, Cecl rules and every other metric you can possibly fathom. But your worldwide proletariat comment is dumb. True Marxism has never succeeded in practice.ecdanc said:
Now now. No temper tantrums. You told me you know economics, so you must know Marx.mrussel1 said:
Stfu. You post dumber shit every time you hit the keyboard. You claim to want a serious discussion but are incapable.ecdanc said:
Who said anything about a country?mrussel1 said:
You're right, I won't live in a country where the state controls the resources.ecdanc said:
Under communism, you won’t have to.mrussel1 said:
No thanks. I came from working class. I worked hard to not put on a uniform everyday like my father.ecdanc said:
I prefer “proletariat of the world, unite!”mrussel1 said:
e pluribus unum... damn straight.what dreams said:I'm going with the old cliche about about how I can't be contained by a label. Many issues require complicated solutions. Compromise doesn't mean giving up. It means everybody gets something, and the stuff you don't agree on, you leave off the table. We are a pluralistic country, e pluribus unum. This despotic power grab by the Republican party has wrecking our country, and now the response by the AOCs of the world is to do the same thing. Their version of despotism scares me just as much. Power in this country was meant to be shared.0 -
Very debatable. The gulags and holodomor killed Around 8 million people alone.ecdanc said:
Killed fewer than capitalism, bud.mcgruff10 said:
Oh geez I can’t. Don’t be that guy. Communism has killed how many millions of peopleecdanc said:
Honestly anyone who’s going to point to a time before the civil rights movement as a great moment for capitalism...mcgruff10 said:
Great album but I don’t follow.ecdanc said:
Oy. Never mindmcgruff10 said:
The whole dot com industry of the 90s and how the us came out of the depression in response to ww2. Suburbs and all that great stuff.ecdanc said:
Yes, really.mcgruff10 said:
Really?ecdanc said:
What was so great about those decades?mcgruff10 said:
Yeah but that led to six years of civil war.ecdanc said:
The Bolshevik Revolution. Where do you see capitalism’s greatest success?mcgruff10 said:
Where do you see communism's greatest success in history?ecdanc said:
I’m no quitter.mrussel1 said:
Marx, Karl is a only a philosopher, whose theories failed in real world applications.ecdanc said:
Elsewhere you’ve dismissed my views because I’m not an expert, so I’ll simply point you to experts. Begin with Marx, Karl.mrussel1 said:
It's not a trick, it's a fact that communism has not been successfully implemented. Even in China, it is a shell of what Marxism was, and more closely aligned with state manipulated capitalism. The state takes advantage of the world's capitalism to prop up its economy. The world is moving away from communism, not towards it. I see no evidence of your statement being accurate.ecdanc said:
That’s a trick question. Historical materialism and all...they’re all just steps on the evolution toward communism.mrussel1 said:
Clever. So what economic system had been proven to be more successful via the successful implementation by a country?ecdanc said:
That wasn’t your question.mrussel1 said:
Now which country are you arguing has successfully implemented it?ecdanc said:
Communism.mrussel1 said:
Compared to Marxism, feudalism, and every other system, you're damn right. Our mixed economy has pulled more people out of poverty than any other system. Look at the numbers. Tell me the economic system that's better than the mixed system we have used for the better part of a century.ecdanc said:
But capitalism has?mrussel1 said:
I didn't study Marx academically. Im an executive at a financial services organization and we always know the macro conditions, credit quality, roll rates, delinquencies, NACO, Cecl rules and every other metric you can possibly fathom. But your worldwide proletariat comment is dumb. True Marxism has never succeeded in practice.ecdanc said:
Now now. No temper tantrums. You told me you know economics, so you must know Marx.mrussel1 said:
Stfu. You post dumber shit every time you hit the keyboard. You claim to want a serious discussion but are incapable.ecdanc said:
Who said anything about a country?mrussel1 said:
You're right, I won't live in a country where the state controls the resources.ecdanc said:
Under communism, you won’t have to.mrussel1 said:
No thanks. I came from working class. I worked hard to not put on a uniform everyday like my father.ecdanc said:
I prefer “proletariat of the world, unite!”mrussel1 said:
e pluribus unum... damn straight.what dreams said:I'm going with the old cliche about about how I can't be contained by a label. Many issues require complicated solutions. Compromise doesn't mean giving up. It means everybody gets something, and the stuff you don't agree on, you leave off the table. We are a pluralistic country, e pluribus unum. This despotic power grab by the Republican party has wrecking our country, and now the response by the AOCs of the world is to do the same thing. Their version of despotism scares me just as much. Power in this country was meant to be shared.
Me personally I think the 90's or the 40's.
and I can’t go before 1968?
I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
Got a quick tally on colonialism and the slave trade?mcgruff10 said:
Very debatable. The gulags and holodomor killed Around 8 million people alone.ecdanc said:
Killed fewer than capitalism, bud.mcgruff10 said:
Oh geez I can’t. Don’t be that guy. Communism has killed how many millions of peopleecdanc said:
Honestly anyone who’s going to point to a time before the civil rights movement as a great moment for capitalism...mcgruff10 said:
Great album but I don’t follow.ecdanc said:
Oy. Never mindmcgruff10 said:
The whole dot com industry of the 90s and how the us came out of the depression in response to ww2. Suburbs and all that great stuff.ecdanc said:
Yes, really.mcgruff10 said:
Really?ecdanc said:
What was so great about those decades?mcgruff10 said:
Yeah but that led to six years of civil war.ecdanc said:
The Bolshevik Revolution. Where do you see capitalism’s greatest success?mcgruff10 said:
Where do you see communism's greatest success in history?ecdanc said:
I’m no quitter.mrussel1 said:
Marx, Karl is a only a philosopher, whose theories failed in real world applications.ecdanc said:
Elsewhere you’ve dismissed my views because I’m not an expert, so I’ll simply point you to experts. Begin with Marx, Karl.mrussel1 said:
It's not a trick, it's a fact that communism has not been successfully implemented. Even in China, it is a shell of what Marxism was, and more closely aligned with state manipulated capitalism. The state takes advantage of the world's capitalism to prop up its economy. The world is moving away from communism, not towards it. I see no evidence of your statement being accurate.ecdanc said:
That’s a trick question. Historical materialism and all...they’re all just steps on the evolution toward communism.mrussel1 said:
Clever. So what economic system had been proven to be more successful via the successful implementation by a country?ecdanc said:
That wasn’t your question.mrussel1 said:
Now which country are you arguing has successfully implemented it?ecdanc said:
Communism.mrussel1 said:
Compared to Marxism, feudalism, and every other system, you're damn right. Our mixed economy has pulled more people out of poverty than any other system. Look at the numbers. Tell me the economic system that's better than the mixed system we have used for the better part of a century.ecdanc said:
But capitalism has?mrussel1 said:
I didn't study Marx academically. Im an executive at a financial services organization and we always know the macro conditions, credit quality, roll rates, delinquencies, NACO, Cecl rules and every other metric you can possibly fathom. But your worldwide proletariat comment is dumb. True Marxism has never succeeded in practice.ecdanc said:
Now now. No temper tantrums. You told me you know economics, so you must know Marx.mrussel1 said:
Stfu. You post dumber shit every time you hit the keyboard. You claim to want a serious discussion but are incapable.ecdanc said:
Who said anything about a country?mrussel1 said:
You're right, I won't live in a country where the state controls the resources.ecdanc said:
Under communism, you won’t have to.mrussel1 said:
No thanks. I came from working class. I worked hard to not put on a uniform everyday like my father.ecdanc said:
I prefer “proletariat of the world, unite!”mrussel1 said:
e pluribus unum... damn straight.what dreams said:I'm going with the old cliche about about how I can't be contained by a label. Many issues require complicated solutions. Compromise doesn't mean giving up. It means everybody gets something, and the stuff you don't agree on, you leave off the table. We are a pluralistic country, e pluribus unum. This despotic power grab by the Republican party has wrecking our country, and now the response by the AOCs of the world is to do the same thing. Their version of despotism scares me just as much. Power in this country was meant to be shared.
Me personally I think the 90's or the 40's.
and I can’t go before 1968?0 -
Oh, are there rules on the causes of death that can upset me? Send along the rule book.mrussel1 said:
Explain to me how a capitalistic government directly murdered members of your family. Unless you're vietnamese, I'll be quite skeptical. My extended family was wiped in Holodomor.ecdanc said:
You’re describing capitalism at the end there, righ?mrussel1 said:
Yeah that's not what I'd call what you're doing. You're enjoying the freedom and luxury of this society while taking shots at it, and not to incrementally improve it. You criticize it and long for a system that has done nothing but oppress and murder its own people, while practicing unfettered corruption. Real brave.ecdanc said:
Already told you, I’m no quitter.mrussel1 said:
Then gtfo out of this capitalistic country. Have the courage of your convictions. My father escaped, what's stopping you? Certainly not the government.ecdanc said:
Capitalism killed many people I love.mrussel1 said:
And while you may think revolution is fun to study, my entire extended family was murdered thanks to the Soviet communist revolution. Wiped out and disappeared. So anyone who thinks the Red October was some great workers success never studied the history and effects on the peasants of the Ukraine and other surrounding countries. That government sickens me to this day.ecdanc said:
The Bolshevik Revolution. Where do you see capitalism’s greatest success?mcgruff10 said:
Where do you see communism's greatest success in history?ecdanc said:
I’m no quitter.mrussel1 said:
Marx, Karl is a only a philosopher, whose theories failed in real world applications.ecdanc said:
Elsewhere you’ve dismissed my views because I’m not an expert, so I’ll simply point you to experts. Begin with Marx, Karl.mrussel1 said:
It's not a trick, it's a fact that communism has not been successfully implemented. Even in China, it is a shell of what Marxism was, and more closely aligned with state manipulated capitalism. The state takes advantage of the world's capitalism to prop up its economy. The world is moving away from communism, not towards it. I see no evidence of your statement being accurate.ecdanc said:
That’s a trick question. Historical materialism and all...they’re all just steps on the evolution toward communism.mrussel1 said:
Clever. So what economic system had been proven to be more successful via the successful implementation by a country?ecdanc said:
That wasn’t your question.mrussel1 said:
Now which country are you arguing has successfully implemented it?ecdanc said:
Communism.mrussel1 said:
Compared to Marxism, feudalism, and every other system, you're damn right. Our mixed economy has pulled more people out of poverty than any other system. Look at the numbers. Tell me the economic system that's better than the mixed system we have used for the better part of a century.ecdanc said:
But capitalism has?mrussel1 said:
I didn't study Marx academically. Im an executive at a financial services organization and we always know the macro conditions, credit quality, roll rates, delinquencies, NACO, Cecl rules and every other metric you can possibly fathom. But your worldwide proletariat comment is dumb. True Marxism has never succeeded in practice.ecdanc said:
Now now. No temper tantrums. You told me you know economics, so you must know Marx.mrussel1 said:
Stfu. You post dumber shit every time you hit the keyboard. You claim to want a serious discussion but are incapable.ecdanc said:
Who said anything about a country?mrussel1 said:
You're right, I won't live in a country where the state controls the resources.ecdanc said:
Under communism, you won’t have to.mrussel1 said:
No thanks. I came from working class. I worked hard to not put on a uniform everyday like my father.ecdanc said:
I prefer “proletariat of the world, unite!”mrussel1 said:
e pluribus unum... damn straight.what dreams said:I'm going with the old cliche about about how I can't be contained by a label. Many issues require complicated solutions. Compromise doesn't mean giving up. It means everybody gets something, and the stuff you don't agree on, you leave off the table. We are a pluralistic country, e pluribus unum. This despotic power grab by the Republican party has wrecking our country, and now the response by the AOCs of the world is to do the same thing. Their version of despotism scares me just as much. Power in this country was meant to be shared.
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I don’t but fire away after you google it.ecdanc said:
Got a quick tally on colonialism and the slave trade?mcgruff10 said:
Very debatable. The gulags and holodomor killed Around 8 million people alone.ecdanc said:
Killed fewer than capitalism, bud.mcgruff10 said:
Oh geez I can’t. Don’t be that guy. Communism has killed how many millions of peopleecdanc said:
Honestly anyone who’s going to point to a time before the civil rights movement as a great moment for capitalism...mcgruff10 said:
Great album but I don’t follow.ecdanc said:
Oy. Never mindmcgruff10 said:
The whole dot com industry of the 90s and how the us came out of the depression in response to ww2. Suburbs and all that great stuff.ecdanc said:
Yes, really.mcgruff10 said:
Really?ecdanc said:
What was so great about those decades?mcgruff10 said:
Yeah but that led to six years of civil war.ecdanc said:
The Bolshevik Revolution. Where do you see capitalism’s greatest success?mcgruff10 said:
Where do you see communism's greatest success in history?ecdanc said:
I’m no quitter.mrussel1 said:
Marx, Karl is a only a philosopher, whose theories failed in real world applications.ecdanc said:
Elsewhere you’ve dismissed my views because I’m not an expert, so I’ll simply point you to experts. Begin with Marx, Karl.mrussel1 said:
It's not a trick, it's a fact that communism has not been successfully implemented. Even in China, it is a shell of what Marxism was, and more closely aligned with state manipulated capitalism. The state takes advantage of the world's capitalism to prop up its economy. The world is moving away from communism, not towards it. I see no evidence of your statement being accurate.ecdanc said:
That’s a trick question. Historical materialism and all...they’re all just steps on the evolution toward communism.mrussel1 said:
Clever. So what economic system had been proven to be more successful via the successful implementation by a country?ecdanc said:
That wasn’t your question.mrussel1 said:
Now which country are you arguing has successfully implemented it?ecdanc said:
Communism.mrussel1 said:
Compared to Marxism, feudalism, and every other system, you're damn right. Our mixed economy has pulled more people out of poverty than any other system. Look at the numbers. Tell me the economic system that's better than the mixed system we have used for the better part of a century.ecdanc said:
But capitalism has?mrussel1 said:
I didn't study Marx academically. Im an executive at a financial services organization and we always know the macro conditions, credit quality, roll rates, delinquencies, NACO, Cecl rules and every other metric you can possibly fathom. But your worldwide proletariat comment is dumb. True Marxism has never succeeded in practice.ecdanc said:
Now now. No temper tantrums. You told me you know economics, so you must know Marx.mrussel1 said:
Stfu. You post dumber shit every time you hit the keyboard. You claim to want a serious discussion but are incapable.ecdanc said:
Who said anything about a country?mrussel1 said:
You're right, I won't live in a country where the state controls the resources.ecdanc said:
Under communism, you won’t have to.mrussel1 said:
No thanks. I came from working class. I worked hard to not put on a uniform everyday like my father.ecdanc said:
I prefer “proletariat of the world, unite!”mrussel1 said:
e pluribus unum... damn straight.what dreams said:I'm going with the old cliche about about how I can't be contained by a label. Many issues require complicated solutions. Compromise doesn't mean giving up. It means everybody gets something, and the stuff you don't agree on, you leave off the table. We are a pluralistic country, e pluribus unum. This despotic power grab by the Republican party has wrecking our country, and now the response by the AOCs of the world is to do the same thing. Their version of despotism scares me just as much. Power in this country was meant to be shared.
Me personally I think the 90's or the 40's.
and I can’t go before 1968?I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
>8 million it seems.mcgruff10 said:
I don’t but fire away after you google it.ecdanc said:
Got a quick tally on colonialism and the slave trade?mcgruff10 said:
Very debatable. The gulags and holodomor killed Around 8 million people alone.ecdanc said:
Killed fewer than capitalism, bud.mcgruff10 said:
Oh geez I can’t. Don’t be that guy. Communism has killed how many millions of peopleecdanc said:
Honestly anyone who’s going to point to a time before the civil rights movement as a great moment for capitalism...mcgruff10 said:
Great album but I don’t follow.ecdanc said:
Oy. Never mindmcgruff10 said:
The whole dot com industry of the 90s and how the us came out of the depression in response to ww2. Suburbs and all that great stuff.ecdanc said:
Yes, really.mcgruff10 said:
Really?ecdanc said:
What was so great about those decades?mcgruff10 said:
Yeah but that led to six years of civil war.ecdanc said:
The Bolshevik Revolution. Where do you see capitalism’s greatest success?mcgruff10 said:
Where do you see communism's greatest success in history?ecdanc said:
I’m no quitter.mrussel1 said:
Marx, Karl is a only a philosopher, whose theories failed in real world applications.ecdanc said:
Elsewhere you’ve dismissed my views because I’m not an expert, so I’ll simply point you to experts. Begin with Marx, Karl.mrussel1 said:
It's not a trick, it's a fact that communism has not been successfully implemented. Even in China, it is a shell of what Marxism was, and more closely aligned with state manipulated capitalism. The state takes advantage of the world's capitalism to prop up its economy. The world is moving away from communism, not towards it. I see no evidence of your statement being accurate.ecdanc said:
That’s a trick question. Historical materialism and all...they’re all just steps on the evolution toward communism.mrussel1 said:
Clever. So what economic system had been proven to be more successful via the successful implementation by a country?ecdanc said:
That wasn’t your question.mrussel1 said:
Now which country are you arguing has successfully implemented it?ecdanc said:
Communism.mrussel1 said:
Compared to Marxism, feudalism, and every other system, you're damn right. Our mixed economy has pulled more people out of poverty than any other system. Look at the numbers. Tell me the economic system that's better than the mixed system we have used for the better part of a century.ecdanc said:
But capitalism has?mrussel1 said:
I didn't study Marx academically. Im an executive at a financial services organization and we always know the macro conditions, credit quality, roll rates, delinquencies, NACO, Cecl rules and every other metric you can possibly fathom. But your worldwide proletariat comment is dumb. True Marxism has never succeeded in practice.ecdanc said:
Now now. No temper tantrums. You told me you know economics, so you must know Marx.mrussel1 said:
Stfu. You post dumber shit every time you hit the keyboard. You claim to want a serious discussion but are incapable.ecdanc said:
Who said anything about a country?mrussel1 said:
You're right, I won't live in a country where the state controls the resources.ecdanc said:
Under communism, you won’t have to.mrussel1 said:
No thanks. I came from working class. I worked hard to not put on a uniform everyday like my father.ecdanc said:
I prefer “proletariat of the world, unite!”mrussel1 said:
e pluribus unum... damn straight.what dreams said:I'm going with the old cliche about about how I can't be contained by a label. Many issues require complicated solutions. Compromise doesn't mean giving up. It means everybody gets something, and the stuff you don't agree on, you leave off the table. We are a pluralistic country, e pluribus unum. This despotic power grab by the Republican party has wrecking our country, and now the response by the AOCs of the world is to do the same thing. Their version of despotism scares me just as much. Power in this country was meant to be shared.
Me personally I think the 90's or the 40's.
and I can’t go before 1968?0
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