AOC and the "Center-Right" Democratic Party
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Joke if you want. You’re crossing a line I refused to cross.cincybearcat said:
Just stating a fact. You don’t like facts? I thought you liked facts?ecdanc said:
See, you really like to call out others, but I’d say you’re being ruder right now than I have been all day.cincybearcat said:
Your kid is too young to pick their pronoun.ecdanc said:
I’m disinclined to listen to you after you feigned interest early today only to throw back my kid’s pronoun as an attempt at mockery.cincybearcat said:Can you 2 get a room? Bouncing between threads like a couple of teenage theys.0 -
Neither do I, I apologized, made it explicit that I edited the posts, and never denied making them. I’m a dick, but at least make accurate accusations.mrussel1 said:
Cincy doesn't just edit his post and pretend like it didn't happen. He stands by what he says, in my experienceecdanc said:
Attacking someone’s parenting is pretty bad in my book, but to each their own.mrussel1 said:
You could say it, but doesn't mean it's true. We all know Cincy here. He's with us all the time. He managed not to annoy a slew of people in his first 48 hours around.ecdanc said:
See, you really like to call out others, but I’d say you’re being ruder right now than I have been all day.cincybearcat said:
Your kid is too young to pick their pronoun.ecdanc said:
I’m disinclined to listen to you after you feigned interest early today only to throw back my kid’s pronoun as an attempt at mockery.cincybearcat said:Can you 2 get a room? Bouncing between threads like a couple of teenage theys.
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Never did that so don’t try and pretendecdanc said:
Attacking someone’s parenting is pretty bad in my book, but to each their own.mrussel1 said:
You could say it, but doesn't mean it's true. We all know Cincy here. He's with us all the time. He managed not to annoy a slew of people in his first 48 hours around.ecdanc said:
See, you really like to call out others, but I’d say you’re being ruder right now than I have been all day.cincybearcat said:
Your kid is too young to pick their pronoun.ecdanc said:
I’m disinclined to listen to you after you feigned interest early today only to throw back my kid’s pronoun as an attempt at mockery.cincybearcat said:Can you 2 get a room? Bouncing between threads like a couple of teenage theys.hippiemom = goodness0 -
You seem like a pretty smart person, so I’m gonna assume you’re just being cagey. I think you know what you were doing, but maybe notcincybearcat said:
Never did that so don’t try and pretendecdanc said:
Attacking someone’s parenting is pretty bad in my book, but to each their own.mrussel1 said:
You could say it, but doesn't mean it's true. We all know Cincy here. He's with us all the time. He managed not to annoy a slew of people in his first 48 hours around.ecdanc said:
See, you really like to call out others, but I’d say you’re being ruder right now than I have been all day.cincybearcat said:
Your kid is too young to pick their pronoun.ecdanc said:
I’m disinclined to listen to you after you feigned interest early today only to throw back my kid’s pronoun as an attempt at mockery.cincybearcat said:Can you 2 get a room? Bouncing between threads like a couple of teenage theys.
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Too much focus has been on words and labels and definitions. Seems like the public is moving on from this tiresome concept.Be Excellent To Each OtherParty On, Dudes!0
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It's not a trick, it's a fact that communism has not been successfully implemented. Even in China, it is a shell of what Marxism was, and more closely aligned with state manipulated capitalism. The state takes advantage of the world's capitalism to prop up its economy. The world is moving away from communism, not towards it. I see no evidence of your statement being accurate.ecdanc said:
That’s a trick question. Historical materialism and all...they’re all just steps on the evolution toward communism.mrussel1 said:
Clever. So what economic system had been proven to be more successful via the successful implementation by a country?ecdanc said:
That wasn’t your question.mrussel1 said:
Now which country are you arguing has successfully implemented it?ecdanc said:
Communism.mrussel1 said:
Compared to Marxism, feudalism, and every other system, you're damn right. Our mixed economy has pulled more people out of poverty than any other system. Look at the numbers. Tell me the economic system that's better than the mixed system we have used for the better part of a century.ecdanc said:
But capitalism has?mrussel1 said:
I didn't study Marx academically. Im an executive at a financial services organization and we always know the macro conditions, credit quality, roll rates, delinquencies, NACO, Cecl rules and every other metric you can possibly fathom. But your worldwide proletariat comment is dumb. True Marxism has never succeeded in practice.ecdanc said:
Now now. No temper tantrums. You told me you know economics, so you must know Marx.mrussel1 said:
Stfu. You post dumber shit every time you hit the keyboard. You claim to want a serious discussion but are incapable.ecdanc said:
Who said anything about a country?mrussel1 said:
You're right, I won't live in a country where the state controls the resources.ecdanc said:
Under communism, you won’t have to.mrussel1 said:
No thanks. I came from working class. I worked hard to not put on a uniform everyday like my father.ecdanc said:
I prefer “proletariat of the world, unite!”mrussel1 said:
e pluribus unum... damn straight.what dreams said:I'm going with the old cliche about about how I can't be contained by a label. Many issues require complicated solutions. Compromise doesn't mean giving up. It means everybody gets something, and the stuff you don't agree on, you leave off the table. We are a pluralistic country, e pluribus unum. This despotic power grab by the Republican party has wrecking our country, and now the response by the AOCs of the world is to do the same thing. Their version of despotism scares me just as much. Power in this country was meant to be shared.0 -
You can't say "look at how good these nations looked like they were going to become (but never did) under communism!" as a declared success story and reason to pivot towards it and away from capitalism. A success story requires success to be a success story.ecdanc said:
That’s a trick question. Historical materialism and all...they’re all just steps on the evolution toward communism.mrussel1 said:
Clever. So what economic system had been proven to be more successful via the successful implementation by a country?ecdanc said:
That wasn’t your question.mrussel1 said:
Now which country are you arguing has successfully implemented it?ecdanc said:
Communism.mrussel1 said:
Compared to Marxism, feudalism, and every other system, you're damn right. Our mixed economy has pulled more people out of poverty than any other system. Look at the numbers. Tell me the economic system that's better than the mixed system we have used for the better part of a century.ecdanc said:
But capitalism has?mrussel1 said:
I didn't study Marx academically. Im an executive at a financial services organization and we always know the macro conditions, credit quality, roll rates, delinquencies, NACO, Cecl rules and every other metric you can possibly fathom. But your worldwide proletariat comment is dumb. True Marxism has never succeeded in practice.ecdanc said:
Now now. No temper tantrums. You told me you know economics, so you must know Marx.mrussel1 said:
Stfu. You post dumber shit every time you hit the keyboard. You claim to want a serious discussion but are incapable.ecdanc said:
Who said anything about a country?mrussel1 said:
You're right, I won't live in a country where the state controls the resources.ecdanc said:
Under communism, you won’t have to.mrussel1 said:
No thanks. I came from working class. I worked hard to not put on a uniform everyday like my father.ecdanc said:
I prefer “proletariat of the world, unite!”mrussel1 said:
e pluribus unum... damn straight.what dreams said:I'm going with the old cliche about about how I can't be contained by a label. Many issues require complicated solutions. Compromise doesn't mean giving up. It means everybody gets something, and the stuff you don't agree on, you leave off the table. We are a pluralistic country, e pluribus unum. This despotic power grab by the Republican party has wrecking our country, and now the response by the AOCs of the world is to do the same thing. Their version of despotism scares me just as much. Power in this country was meant to be shared.'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
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It’s a good thing that’s not what I said, then!benjs said:
You can't say "look at how good these nations looked like they were going to become (but never did) under communism!" as a declared success story and reason to pivot towards it and away from capitalism. A success story requires success to be a success story.ecdanc said:
That’s a trick question. Historical materialism and all...they’re all just steps on the evolution toward communism.mrussel1 said:
Clever. So what economic system had been proven to be more successful via the successful implementation by a country?ecdanc said:
That wasn’t your question.mrussel1 said:
Now which country are you arguing has successfully implemented it?ecdanc said:
Communism.mrussel1 said:
Compared to Marxism, feudalism, and every other system, you're damn right. Our mixed economy has pulled more people out of poverty than any other system. Look at the numbers. Tell me the economic system that's better than the mixed system we have used for the better part of a century.ecdanc said:
But capitalism has?mrussel1 said:
I didn't study Marx academically. Im an executive at a financial services organization and we always know the macro conditions, credit quality, roll rates, delinquencies, NACO, Cecl rules and every other metric you can possibly fathom. But your worldwide proletariat comment is dumb. True Marxism has never succeeded in practice.ecdanc said:
Now now. No temper tantrums. You told me you know economics, so you must know Marx.mrussel1 said:
Stfu. You post dumber shit every time you hit the keyboard. You claim to want a serious discussion but are incapable.ecdanc said:
Who said anything about a country?mrussel1 said:
You're right, I won't live in a country where the state controls the resources.ecdanc said:
Under communism, you won’t have to.mrussel1 said:
No thanks. I came from working class. I worked hard to not put on a uniform everyday like my father.ecdanc said:
I prefer “proletariat of the world, unite!”mrussel1 said:
e pluribus unum... damn straight.what dreams said:I'm going with the old cliche about about how I can't be contained by a label. Many issues require complicated solutions. Compromise doesn't mean giving up. It means everybody gets something, and the stuff you don't agree on, you leave off the table. We are a pluralistic country, e pluribus unum. This despotic power grab by the Republican party has wrecking our country, and now the response by the AOCs of the world is to do the same thing. Their version of despotism scares me just as much. Power in this country was meant to be shared.0 -
Elsewhere you’ve dismissed my views because I’m not an expert, so I’ll simply point you to experts. Begin with Marx, Karl.mrussel1 said:
It's not a trick, it's a fact that communism has not been successfully implemented. Even in China, it is a shell of what Marxism was, and more closely aligned with state manipulated capitalism. The state takes advantage of the world's capitalism to prop up its economy. The world is moving away from communism, not towards it. I see no evidence of your statement being accurate.ecdanc said:
That’s a trick question. Historical materialism and all...they’re all just steps on the evolution toward communism.mrussel1 said:
Clever. So what economic system had been proven to be more successful via the successful implementation by a country?ecdanc said:
That wasn’t your question.mrussel1 said:
Now which country are you arguing has successfully implemented it?ecdanc said:
Communism.mrussel1 said:
Compared to Marxism, feudalism, and every other system, you're damn right. Our mixed economy has pulled more people out of poverty than any other system. Look at the numbers. Tell me the economic system that's better than the mixed system we have used for the better part of a century.ecdanc said:
But capitalism has?mrussel1 said:
I didn't study Marx academically. Im an executive at a financial services organization and we always know the macro conditions, credit quality, roll rates, delinquencies, NACO, Cecl rules and every other metric you can possibly fathom. But your worldwide proletariat comment is dumb. True Marxism has never succeeded in practice.ecdanc said:
Now now. No temper tantrums. You told me you know economics, so you must know Marx.mrussel1 said:
Stfu. You post dumber shit every time you hit the keyboard. You claim to want a serious discussion but are incapable.ecdanc said:
Who said anything about a country?mrussel1 said:
You're right, I won't live in a country where the state controls the resources.ecdanc said:
Under communism, you won’t have to.mrussel1 said:
No thanks. I came from working class. I worked hard to not put on a uniform everyday like my father.ecdanc said:
I prefer “proletariat of the world, unite!”mrussel1 said:
e pluribus unum... damn straight.what dreams said:I'm going with the old cliche about about how I can't be contained by a label. Many issues require complicated solutions. Compromise doesn't mean giving up. It means everybody gets something, and the stuff you don't agree on, you leave off the table. We are a pluralistic country, e pluribus unum. This despotic power grab by the Republican party has wrecking our country, and now the response by the AOCs of the world is to do the same thing. Their version of despotism scares me just as much. Power in this country was meant to be shared.
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Marx, Karl is a only a philosopher, whose theories failed in real world applications.ecdanc said:
Elsewhere you’ve dismissed my views because I’m not an expert, so I’ll simply point you to experts. Begin with Marx, Karl.mrussel1 said:
It's not a trick, it's a fact that communism has not been successfully implemented. Even in China, it is a shell of what Marxism was, and more closely aligned with state manipulated capitalism. The state takes advantage of the world's capitalism to prop up its economy. The world is moving away from communism, not towards it. I see no evidence of your statement being accurate.ecdanc said:
That’s a trick question. Historical materialism and all...they’re all just steps on the evolution toward communism.mrussel1 said:
Clever. So what economic system had been proven to be more successful via the successful implementation by a country?ecdanc said:
That wasn’t your question.mrussel1 said:
Now which country are you arguing has successfully implemented it?ecdanc said:
Communism.mrussel1 said:
Compared to Marxism, feudalism, and every other system, you're damn right. Our mixed economy has pulled more people out of poverty than any other system. Look at the numbers. Tell me the economic system that's better than the mixed system we have used for the better part of a century.ecdanc said:
But capitalism has?mrussel1 said:
I didn't study Marx academically. Im an executive at a financial services organization and we always know the macro conditions, credit quality, roll rates, delinquencies, NACO, Cecl rules and every other metric you can possibly fathom. But your worldwide proletariat comment is dumb. True Marxism has never succeeded in practice.ecdanc said:
Now now. No temper tantrums. You told me you know economics, so you must know Marx.mrussel1 said:
Stfu. You post dumber shit every time you hit the keyboard. You claim to want a serious discussion but are incapable.ecdanc said:
Who said anything about a country?mrussel1 said:
You're right, I won't live in a country where the state controls the resources.ecdanc said:
Under communism, you won’t have to.mrussel1 said:
No thanks. I came from working class. I worked hard to not put on a uniform everyday like my father.ecdanc said:
I prefer “proletariat of the world, unite!”mrussel1 said:
e pluribus unum... damn straight.what dreams said:I'm going with the old cliche about about how I can't be contained by a label. Many issues require complicated solutions. Compromise doesn't mean giving up. It means everybody gets something, and the stuff you don't agree on, you leave off the table. We are a pluralistic country, e pluribus unum. This despotic power grab by the Republican party has wrecking our country, and now the response by the AOCs of the world is to do the same thing. Their version of despotism scares me just as much. Power in this country was meant to be shared.0 -
I’m no quitter.mrussel1 said:
Marx, Karl is a only a philosopher, whose theories failed in real world applications.ecdanc said:
Elsewhere you’ve dismissed my views because I’m not an expert, so I’ll simply point you to experts. Begin with Marx, Karl.mrussel1 said:
It's not a trick, it's a fact that communism has not been successfully implemented. Even in China, it is a shell of what Marxism was, and more closely aligned with state manipulated capitalism. The state takes advantage of the world's capitalism to prop up its economy. The world is moving away from communism, not towards it. I see no evidence of your statement being accurate.ecdanc said:
That’s a trick question. Historical materialism and all...they’re all just steps on the evolution toward communism.mrussel1 said:
Clever. So what economic system had been proven to be more successful via the successful implementation by a country?ecdanc said:
That wasn’t your question.mrussel1 said:
Now which country are you arguing has successfully implemented it?ecdanc said:
Communism.mrussel1 said:
Compared to Marxism, feudalism, and every other system, you're damn right. Our mixed economy has pulled more people out of poverty than any other system. Look at the numbers. Tell me the economic system that's better than the mixed system we have used for the better part of a century.ecdanc said:
But capitalism has?mrussel1 said:
I didn't study Marx academically. Im an executive at a financial services organization and we always know the macro conditions, credit quality, roll rates, delinquencies, NACO, Cecl rules and every other metric you can possibly fathom. But your worldwide proletariat comment is dumb. True Marxism has never succeeded in practice.ecdanc said:
Now now. No temper tantrums. You told me you know economics, so you must know Marx.mrussel1 said:
Stfu. You post dumber shit every time you hit the keyboard. You claim to want a serious discussion but are incapable.ecdanc said:
Who said anything about a country?mrussel1 said:
You're right, I won't live in a country where the state controls the resources.ecdanc said:
Under communism, you won’t have to.mrussel1 said:
No thanks. I came from working class. I worked hard to not put on a uniform everyday like my father.ecdanc said:
I prefer “proletariat of the world, unite!”mrussel1 said:
e pluribus unum... damn straight.what dreams said:I'm going with the old cliche about about how I can't be contained by a label. Many issues require complicated solutions. Compromise doesn't mean giving up. It means everybody gets something, and the stuff you don't agree on, you leave off the table. We are a pluralistic country, e pluribus unum. This despotic power grab by the Republican party has wrecking our country, and now the response by the AOCs of the world is to do the same thing. Their version of despotism scares me just as much. Power in this country was meant to be shared.0 -
Where do you see communism's greatest success in history?ecdanc said:
I’m no quitter.mrussel1 said:
Marx, Karl is a only a philosopher, whose theories failed in real world applications.ecdanc said:
Elsewhere you’ve dismissed my views because I’m not an expert, so I’ll simply point you to experts. Begin with Marx, Karl.mrussel1 said:
It's not a trick, it's a fact that communism has not been successfully implemented. Even in China, it is a shell of what Marxism was, and more closely aligned with state manipulated capitalism. The state takes advantage of the world's capitalism to prop up its economy. The world is moving away from communism, not towards it. I see no evidence of your statement being accurate.ecdanc said:
That’s a trick question. Historical materialism and all...they’re all just steps on the evolution toward communism.mrussel1 said:
Clever. So what economic system had been proven to be more successful via the successful implementation by a country?ecdanc said:
That wasn’t your question.mrussel1 said:
Now which country are you arguing has successfully implemented it?ecdanc said:
Communism.mrussel1 said:
Compared to Marxism, feudalism, and every other system, you're damn right. Our mixed economy has pulled more people out of poverty than any other system. Look at the numbers. Tell me the economic system that's better than the mixed system we have used for the better part of a century.ecdanc said:
But capitalism has?mrussel1 said:
I didn't study Marx academically. Im an executive at a financial services organization and we always know the macro conditions, credit quality, roll rates, delinquencies, NACO, Cecl rules and every other metric you can possibly fathom. But your worldwide proletariat comment is dumb. True Marxism has never succeeded in practice.ecdanc said:
Now now. No temper tantrums. You told me you know economics, so you must know Marx.mrussel1 said:
Stfu. You post dumber shit every time you hit the keyboard. You claim to want a serious discussion but are incapable.ecdanc said:
Who said anything about a country?mrussel1 said:
You're right, I won't live in a country where the state controls the resources.ecdanc said:
Under communism, you won’t have to.mrussel1 said:
No thanks. I came from working class. I worked hard to not put on a uniform everyday like my father.ecdanc said:
I prefer “proletariat of the world, unite!”mrussel1 said:
e pluribus unum... damn straight.what dreams said:I'm going with the old cliche about about how I can't be contained by a label. Many issues require complicated solutions. Compromise doesn't mean giving up. It means everybody gets something, and the stuff you don't agree on, you leave off the table. We are a pluralistic country, e pluribus unum. This despotic power grab by the Republican party has wrecking our country, and now the response by the AOCs of the world is to do the same thing. Their version of despotism scares me just as much. Power in this country was meant to be shared.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
Im sure your household is communist, which is probably true for all of us.ecdanc said:
I’m no quitter.mrussel1 said:
Marx, Karl is a only a philosopher, whose theories failed in real world applications.ecdanc said:
Elsewhere you’ve dismissed my views because I’m not an expert, so I’ll simply point you to experts. Begin with Marx, Karl.mrussel1 said:
It's not a trick, it's a fact that communism has not been successfully implemented. Even in China, it is a shell of what Marxism was, and more closely aligned with state manipulated capitalism. The state takes advantage of the world's capitalism to prop up its economy. The world is moving away from communism, not towards it. I see no evidence of your statement being accurate.ecdanc said:
That’s a trick question. Historical materialism and all...they’re all just steps on the evolution toward communism.mrussel1 said:
Clever. So what economic system had been proven to be more successful via the successful implementation by a country?ecdanc said:
That wasn’t your question.mrussel1 said:
Now which country are you arguing has successfully implemented it?ecdanc said:
Communism.mrussel1 said:
Compared to Marxism, feudalism, and every other system, you're damn right. Our mixed economy has pulled more people out of poverty than any other system. Look at the numbers. Tell me the economic system that's better than the mixed system we have used for the better part of a century.ecdanc said:
But capitalism has?mrussel1 said:
I didn't study Marx academically. Im an executive at a financial services organization and we always know the macro conditions, credit quality, roll rates, delinquencies, NACO, Cecl rules and every other metric you can possibly fathom. But your worldwide proletariat comment is dumb. True Marxism has never succeeded in practice.ecdanc said:
Now now. No temper tantrums. You told me you know economics, so you must know Marx.mrussel1 said:
Stfu. You post dumber shit every time you hit the keyboard. You claim to want a serious discussion but are incapable.ecdanc said:
Who said anything about a country?mrussel1 said:
You're right, I won't live in a country where the state controls the resources.ecdanc said:
Under communism, you won’t have to.mrussel1 said:
No thanks. I came from working class. I worked hard to not put on a uniform everyday like my father.ecdanc said:
I prefer “proletariat of the world, unite!”mrussel1 said:
e pluribus unum... damn straight.what dreams said:I'm going with the old cliche about about how I can't be contained by a label. Many issues require complicated solutions. Compromise doesn't mean giving up. It means everybody gets something, and the stuff you don't agree on, you leave off the table. We are a pluralistic country, e pluribus unum. This despotic power grab by the Republican party has wrecking our country, and now the response by the AOCs of the world is to do the same thing. Their version of despotism scares me just as much. Power in this country was meant to be shared.0 -
The Bolshevik Revolution. Where do you see capitalism’s greatest success?mcgruff10 said:
Where do you see communism's greatest success in history?ecdanc said:
I’m no quitter.mrussel1 said:
Marx, Karl is a only a philosopher, whose theories failed in real world applications.ecdanc said:
Elsewhere you’ve dismissed my views because I’m not an expert, so I’ll simply point you to experts. Begin with Marx, Karl.mrussel1 said:
It's not a trick, it's a fact that communism has not been successfully implemented. Even in China, it is a shell of what Marxism was, and more closely aligned with state manipulated capitalism. The state takes advantage of the world's capitalism to prop up its economy. The world is moving away from communism, not towards it. I see no evidence of your statement being accurate.ecdanc said:
That’s a trick question. Historical materialism and all...they’re all just steps on the evolution toward communism.mrussel1 said:
Clever. So what economic system had been proven to be more successful via the successful implementation by a country?ecdanc said:
That wasn’t your question.mrussel1 said:
Now which country are you arguing has successfully implemented it?ecdanc said:
Communism.mrussel1 said:
Compared to Marxism, feudalism, and every other system, you're damn right. Our mixed economy has pulled more people out of poverty than any other system. Look at the numbers. Tell me the economic system that's better than the mixed system we have used for the better part of a century.ecdanc said:
But capitalism has?mrussel1 said:
I didn't study Marx academically. Im an executive at a financial services organization and we always know the macro conditions, credit quality, roll rates, delinquencies, NACO, Cecl rules and every other metric you can possibly fathom. But your worldwide proletariat comment is dumb. True Marxism has never succeeded in practice.ecdanc said:
Now now. No temper tantrums. You told me you know economics, so you must know Marx.mrussel1 said:
Stfu. You post dumber shit every time you hit the keyboard. You claim to want a serious discussion but are incapable.ecdanc said:
Who said anything about a country?mrussel1 said:
You're right, I won't live in a country where the state controls the resources.ecdanc said:
Under communism, you won’t have to.mrussel1 said:
No thanks. I came from working class. I worked hard to not put on a uniform everyday like my father.ecdanc said:
I prefer “proletariat of the world, unite!”mrussel1 said:
e pluribus unum... damn straight.what dreams said:I'm going with the old cliche about about how I can't be contained by a label. Many issues require complicated solutions. Compromise doesn't mean giving up. It means everybody gets something, and the stuff you don't agree on, you leave off the table. We are a pluralistic country, e pluribus unum. This despotic power grab by the Republican party has wrecking our country, and now the response by the AOCs of the world is to do the same thing. Their version of despotism scares me just as much. Power in this country was meant to be shared.
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What? A bloody civil war is evidence of Communism's success? Where's your humanity?ecdanc said:
The Bolshevik Revolution. Where do you see capitalism’s greatest success?mcgruff10 said:
Where do you see communism's greatest success in history?ecdanc said:
I’m no quitter.mrussel1 said:
Marx, Karl is a only a philosopher, whose theories failed in real world applications.ecdanc said:
Elsewhere you’ve dismissed my views because I’m not an expert, so I’ll simply point you to experts. Begin with Marx, Karl.mrussel1 said:
It's not a trick, it's a fact that communism has not been successfully implemented. Even in China, it is a shell of what Marxism was, and more closely aligned with state manipulated capitalism. The state takes advantage of the world's capitalism to prop up its economy. The world is moving away from communism, not towards it. I see no evidence of your statement being accurate.ecdanc said:
That’s a trick question. Historical materialism and all...they’re all just steps on the evolution toward communism.mrussel1 said:
Clever. So what economic system had been proven to be more successful via the successful implementation by a country?ecdanc said:
That wasn’t your question.mrussel1 said:
Now which country are you arguing has successfully implemented it?ecdanc said:
Communism.mrussel1 said:
Compared to Marxism, feudalism, and every other system, you're damn right. Our mixed economy has pulled more people out of poverty than any other system. Look at the numbers. Tell me the economic system that's better than the mixed system we have used for the better part of a century.ecdanc said:
But capitalism has?mrussel1 said:
I didn't study Marx academically. Im an executive at a financial services organization and we always know the macro conditions, credit quality, roll rates, delinquencies, NACO, Cecl rules and every other metric you can possibly fathom. But your worldwide proletariat comment is dumb. True Marxism has never succeeded in practice.ecdanc said:
Now now. No temper tantrums. You told me you know economics, so you must know Marx.mrussel1 said:
Stfu. You post dumber shit every time you hit the keyboard. You claim to want a serious discussion but are incapable.ecdanc said:
Who said anything about a country?mrussel1 said:
You're right, I won't live in a country where the state controls the resources.ecdanc said:
Under communism, you won’t have to.mrussel1 said:
No thanks. I came from working class. I worked hard to not put on a uniform everyday like my father.ecdanc said:
I prefer “proletariat of the world, unite!”mrussel1 said:
e pluribus unum... damn straight.what dreams said:I'm going with the old cliche about about how I can't be contained by a label. Many issues require complicated solutions. Compromise doesn't mean giving up. It means everybody gets something, and the stuff you don't agree on, you leave off the table. We are a pluralistic country, e pluribus unum. This despotic power grab by the Republican party has wrecking our country, and now the response by the AOCs of the world is to do the same thing. Their version of despotism scares me just as much. Power in this country was meant to be shared.0 -
Yeah but that led to six years of civil war.ecdanc said:
The Bolshevik Revolution. Where do you see capitalism’s greatest success?mcgruff10 said:
Where do you see communism's greatest success in history?ecdanc said:
I’m no quitter.mrussel1 said:
Marx, Karl is a only a philosopher, whose theories failed in real world applications.ecdanc said:
Elsewhere you’ve dismissed my views because I’m not an expert, so I’ll simply point you to experts. Begin with Marx, Karl.mrussel1 said:
It's not a trick, it's a fact that communism has not been successfully implemented. Even in China, it is a shell of what Marxism was, and more closely aligned with state manipulated capitalism. The state takes advantage of the world's capitalism to prop up its economy. The world is moving away from communism, not towards it. I see no evidence of your statement being accurate.ecdanc said:
That’s a trick question. Historical materialism and all...they’re all just steps on the evolution toward communism.mrussel1 said:
Clever. So what economic system had been proven to be more successful via the successful implementation by a country?ecdanc said:
That wasn’t your question.mrussel1 said:
Now which country are you arguing has successfully implemented it?ecdanc said:
Communism.mrussel1 said:
Compared to Marxism, feudalism, and every other system, you're damn right. Our mixed economy has pulled more people out of poverty than any other system. Look at the numbers. Tell me the economic system that's better than the mixed system we have used for the better part of a century.ecdanc said:
But capitalism has?mrussel1 said:
I didn't study Marx academically. Im an executive at a financial services organization and we always know the macro conditions, credit quality, roll rates, delinquencies, NACO, Cecl rules and every other metric you can possibly fathom. But your worldwide proletariat comment is dumb. True Marxism has never succeeded in practice.ecdanc said:
Now now. No temper tantrums. You told me you know economics, so you must know Marx.mrussel1 said:
Stfu. You post dumber shit every time you hit the keyboard. You claim to want a serious discussion but are incapable.ecdanc said:
Who said anything about a country?mrussel1 said:
You're right, I won't live in a country where the state controls the resources.ecdanc said:
Under communism, you won’t have to.mrussel1 said:
No thanks. I came from working class. I worked hard to not put on a uniform everyday like my father.ecdanc said:
I prefer “proletariat of the world, unite!”mrussel1 said:
e pluribus unum... damn straight.what dreams said:I'm going with the old cliche about about how I can't be contained by a label. Many issues require complicated solutions. Compromise doesn't mean giving up. It means everybody gets something, and the stuff you don't agree on, you leave off the table. We are a pluralistic country, e pluribus unum. This despotic power grab by the Republican party has wrecking our country, and now the response by the AOCs of the world is to do the same thing. Their version of despotism scares me just as much. Power in this country was meant to be shared.
Me personally I think the 90's or the 40's.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
My humanity is on the side of the working classmrussel1 said:
What? A bloody civil war is evidence of Communism's success? Where's your humanity?ecdanc said:
The Bolshevik Revolution. Where do you see capitalism’s greatest success?mcgruff10 said:
Where do you see communism's greatest success in history?ecdanc said:
I’m no quitter.mrussel1 said:
Marx, Karl is a only a philosopher, whose theories failed in real world applications.ecdanc said:
Elsewhere you’ve dismissed my views because I’m not an expert, so I’ll simply point you to experts. Begin with Marx, Karl.mrussel1 said:
It's not a trick, it's a fact that communism has not been successfully implemented. Even in China, it is a shell of what Marxism was, and more closely aligned with state manipulated capitalism. The state takes advantage of the world's capitalism to prop up its economy. The world is moving away from communism, not towards it. I see no evidence of your statement being accurate.ecdanc said:
That’s a trick question. Historical materialism and all...they’re all just steps on the evolution toward communism.mrussel1 said:
Clever. So what economic system had been proven to be more successful via the successful implementation by a country?ecdanc said:
That wasn’t your question.mrussel1 said:
Now which country are you arguing has successfully implemented it?ecdanc said:
Communism.mrussel1 said:
Compared to Marxism, feudalism, and every other system, you're damn right. Our mixed economy has pulled more people out of poverty than any other system. Look at the numbers. Tell me the economic system that's better than the mixed system we have used for the better part of a century.ecdanc said:
But capitalism has?mrussel1 said:
I didn't study Marx academically. Im an executive at a financial services organization and we always know the macro conditions, credit quality, roll rates, delinquencies, NACO, Cecl rules and every other metric you can possibly fathom. But your worldwide proletariat comment is dumb. True Marxism has never succeeded in practice.ecdanc said:
Now now. No temper tantrums. You told me you know economics, so you must know Marx.mrussel1 said:
Stfu. You post dumber shit every time you hit the keyboard. You claim to want a serious discussion but are incapable.ecdanc said:
Who said anything about a country?mrussel1 said:
You're right, I won't live in a country where the state controls the resources.ecdanc said:
Under communism, you won’t have to.mrussel1 said:
No thanks. I came from working class. I worked hard to not put on a uniform everyday like my father.ecdanc said:
I prefer “proletariat of the world, unite!”mrussel1 said:
e pluribus unum... damn straight.what dreams said:I'm going with the old cliche about about how I can't be contained by a label. Many issues require complicated solutions. Compromise doesn't mean giving up. It means everybody gets something, and the stuff you don't agree on, you leave off the table. We are a pluralistic country, e pluribus unum. This despotic power grab by the Republican party has wrecking our country, and now the response by the AOCs of the world is to do the same thing. Their version of despotism scares me just as much. Power in this country was meant to be shared.0 -
And while you may think revolution is fun to study, my entire extended family was murdered thanks to the Soviet communist revolution. Wiped out and disappeared. So anyone who thinks the Red October was some great workers success never studied the history and effects on the peasants of the Ukraine and other surrounding countries. That government sickens me to this day.ecdanc said:
The Bolshevik Revolution. Where do you see capitalism’s greatest success?mcgruff10 said:
Where do you see communism's greatest success in history?ecdanc said:
I’m no quitter.mrussel1 said:
Marx, Karl is a only a philosopher, whose theories failed in real world applications.ecdanc said:
Elsewhere you’ve dismissed my views because I’m not an expert, so I’ll simply point you to experts. Begin with Marx, Karl.mrussel1 said:
It's not a trick, it's a fact that communism has not been successfully implemented. Even in China, it is a shell of what Marxism was, and more closely aligned with state manipulated capitalism. The state takes advantage of the world's capitalism to prop up its economy. The world is moving away from communism, not towards it. I see no evidence of your statement being accurate.ecdanc said:
That’s a trick question. Historical materialism and all...they’re all just steps on the evolution toward communism.mrussel1 said:
Clever. So what economic system had been proven to be more successful via the successful implementation by a country?ecdanc said:
That wasn’t your question.mrussel1 said:
Now which country are you arguing has successfully implemented it?ecdanc said:
Communism.mrussel1 said:
Compared to Marxism, feudalism, and every other system, you're damn right. Our mixed economy has pulled more people out of poverty than any other system. Look at the numbers. Tell me the economic system that's better than the mixed system we have used for the better part of a century.ecdanc said:
But capitalism has?mrussel1 said:
I didn't study Marx academically. Im an executive at a financial services organization and we always know the macro conditions, credit quality, roll rates, delinquencies, NACO, Cecl rules and every other metric you can possibly fathom. But your worldwide proletariat comment is dumb. True Marxism has never succeeded in practice.ecdanc said:
Now now. No temper tantrums. You told me you know economics, so you must know Marx.mrussel1 said:
Stfu. You post dumber shit every time you hit the keyboard. You claim to want a serious discussion but are incapable.ecdanc said:
Who said anything about a country?mrussel1 said:
You're right, I won't live in a country where the state controls the resources.ecdanc said:
Under communism, you won’t have to.mrussel1 said:
No thanks. I came from working class. I worked hard to not put on a uniform everyday like my father.ecdanc said:
I prefer “proletariat of the world, unite!”mrussel1 said:
e pluribus unum... damn straight.what dreams said:I'm going with the old cliche about about how I can't be contained by a label. Many issues require complicated solutions. Compromise doesn't mean giving up. It means everybody gets something, and the stuff you don't agree on, you leave off the table. We are a pluralistic country, e pluribus unum. This despotic power grab by the Republican party has wrecking our country, and now the response by the AOCs of the world is to do the same thing. Their version of despotism scares me just as much. Power in this country was meant to be shared.0 -
What was so great about those decades?mcgruff10 said:
Yeah but that led to six years of civil war.ecdanc said:
The Bolshevik Revolution. Where do you see capitalism’s greatest success?mcgruff10 said:
Where do you see communism's greatest success in history?ecdanc said:
I’m no quitter.mrussel1 said:
Marx, Karl is a only a philosopher, whose theories failed in real world applications.ecdanc said:
Elsewhere you’ve dismissed my views because I’m not an expert, so I’ll simply point you to experts. Begin with Marx, Karl.mrussel1 said:
It's not a trick, it's a fact that communism has not been successfully implemented. Even in China, it is a shell of what Marxism was, and more closely aligned with state manipulated capitalism. The state takes advantage of the world's capitalism to prop up its economy. The world is moving away from communism, not towards it. I see no evidence of your statement being accurate.ecdanc said:
That’s a trick question. Historical materialism and all...they’re all just steps on the evolution toward communism.mrussel1 said:
Clever. So what economic system had been proven to be more successful via the successful implementation by a country?ecdanc said:
That wasn’t your question.mrussel1 said:
Now which country are you arguing has successfully implemented it?ecdanc said:
Communism.mrussel1 said:
Compared to Marxism, feudalism, and every other system, you're damn right. Our mixed economy has pulled more people out of poverty than any other system. Look at the numbers. Tell me the economic system that's better than the mixed system we have used for the better part of a century.ecdanc said:
But capitalism has?mrussel1 said:
I didn't study Marx academically. Im an executive at a financial services organization and we always know the macro conditions, credit quality, roll rates, delinquencies, NACO, Cecl rules and every other metric you can possibly fathom. But your worldwide proletariat comment is dumb. True Marxism has never succeeded in practice.ecdanc said:
Now now. No temper tantrums. You told me you know economics, so you must know Marx.mrussel1 said:
Stfu. You post dumber shit every time you hit the keyboard. You claim to want a serious discussion but are incapable.ecdanc said:
Who said anything about a country?mrussel1 said:
You're right, I won't live in a country where the state controls the resources.ecdanc said:
Under communism, you won’t have to.mrussel1 said:
No thanks. I came from working class. I worked hard to not put on a uniform everyday like my father.ecdanc said:
I prefer “proletariat of the world, unite!”mrussel1 said:
e pluribus unum... damn straight.what dreams said:I'm going with the old cliche about about how I can't be contained by a label. Many issues require complicated solutions. Compromise doesn't mean giving up. It means everybody gets something, and the stuff you don't agree on, you leave off the table. We are a pluralistic country, e pluribus unum. This despotic power grab by the Republican party has wrecking our country, and now the response by the AOCs of the world is to do the same thing. Their version of despotism scares me just as much. Power in this country was meant to be shared.
Me personally I think the 90's or the 40's.0 -
Capitalism killed many people I love.mrussel1 said:
And while you may think revolution is fun to study, my entire extended family was murdered thanks to the Soviet communist revolution. Wiped out and disappeared. So anyone who thinks the Red October was some great workers success never studied the history and effects on the peasants of the Ukraine and other surrounding countries. That government sickens me to this day.ecdanc said:
The Bolshevik Revolution. Where do you see capitalism’s greatest success?mcgruff10 said:
Where do you see communism's greatest success in history?ecdanc said:
I’m no quitter.mrussel1 said:
Marx, Karl is a only a philosopher, whose theories failed in real world applications.ecdanc said:
Elsewhere you’ve dismissed my views because I’m not an expert, so I’ll simply point you to experts. Begin with Marx, Karl.mrussel1 said:
It's not a trick, it's a fact that communism has not been successfully implemented. Even in China, it is a shell of what Marxism was, and more closely aligned with state manipulated capitalism. The state takes advantage of the world's capitalism to prop up its economy. The world is moving away from communism, not towards it. I see no evidence of your statement being accurate.ecdanc said:
That’s a trick question. Historical materialism and all...they’re all just steps on the evolution toward communism.mrussel1 said:
Clever. So what economic system had been proven to be more successful via the successful implementation by a country?ecdanc said:
That wasn’t your question.mrussel1 said:
Now which country are you arguing has successfully implemented it?ecdanc said:
Communism.mrussel1 said:
Compared to Marxism, feudalism, and every other system, you're damn right. Our mixed economy has pulled more people out of poverty than any other system. Look at the numbers. Tell me the economic system that's better than the mixed system we have used for the better part of a century.ecdanc said:
But capitalism has?mrussel1 said:
I didn't study Marx academically. Im an executive at a financial services organization and we always know the macro conditions, credit quality, roll rates, delinquencies, NACO, Cecl rules and every other metric you can possibly fathom. But your worldwide proletariat comment is dumb. True Marxism has never succeeded in practice.ecdanc said:
Now now. No temper tantrums. You told me you know economics, so you must know Marx.mrussel1 said:
Stfu. You post dumber shit every time you hit the keyboard. You claim to want a serious discussion but are incapable.ecdanc said:
Who said anything about a country?mrussel1 said:
You're right, I won't live in a country where the state controls the resources.ecdanc said:
Under communism, you won’t have to.mrussel1 said:
No thanks. I came from working class. I worked hard to not put on a uniform everyday like my father.ecdanc said:
I prefer “proletariat of the world, unite!”mrussel1 said:
e pluribus unum... damn straight.what dreams said:I'm going with the old cliche about about how I can't be contained by a label. Many issues require complicated solutions. Compromise doesn't mean giving up. It means everybody gets something, and the stuff you don't agree on, you leave off the table. We are a pluralistic country, e pluribus unum. This despotic power grab by the Republican party has wrecking our country, and now the response by the AOCs of the world is to do the same thing. Their version of despotism scares me just as much. Power in this country was meant to be shared.0
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