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gimmesometruth27 said:i skipped over a bit when you started lighting other posters up for no reason.0
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ecdanc said:Not entirely: if they coexist as you say they do, how did you become certain of the exact relationship between the two?0
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mrussel1 said:You can't possibly be certain. I'm saying they have co-existed since the dawn of time. Man has used science, and the method for... I don't know how many eons. And what they could not explain through their version of the scientific method, they chalked up to gods, God, demons, bad humors, and possessed barber/doctor. As man has advanced, the ratio of science to these myths has adjusted. We still hold myths/religion in high regard today, as a social construct. This has all moved together.
Perhaps we're beginning to see why Simon Young, (potentially fake) PhD compared science to religion.
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I kinda feel that this whole thread has become 1 person telling everyone else they are wrong without ever stating anything of their own. That always bugs me.hippiemom = goodness0
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ecdanc said:Again, you haven't read the thread. You're conflating science (a discourse/method for apprehending reality) with that reality itself.
lol, just playing devil’s advocate
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If anyone has any more comments/questions re: the original topic, I'll be back in a bit (heading to take care of the kid now). The rest of you, just keep doing that science!0
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cincybearcat said:I kinda feel that this whole thread has become 1 person telling everyone else they are wrong without ever stating anything of their own. That always bugs me.0
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ecdanc said:If anyone has any more comments/questions re: the original topic, I'll be back in a bit (heading to take care of the kid now). The rest of you, just keep doing that science!Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer0
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ecdanc said:Yet people here express certainty that science isn't a social construct....
Perhaps we're beginning to see why Simon Young, (potentially fake) PhD compared science to religion.0 -
ecdanc said:Or it has become several people telling one person he is wrong without saying anything. A matter of perspective?Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer0
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HughFreakingDillon said:and you keep musing about how science is a philosophical concept.0
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mrussel1 said:And I'm not saying it is. But your challenge of "show me something in science detached from the social construct" does not mean that science is purely an output of social construct and that if we had a different construct, some fundamental laws of physics would not be true any longer. Can you really say that if we evolved to be open about gender identity in a way that was consistent with the Greeks, then perhaps the First Law of Thermodynamics may not longer be true? Of course not. That's silly. But it's essentially what you're saying to us.0
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ecdanc said:Again, you’re conflating science with the reality it explores
Edit - if that were the case, then when the construct changes, the science would have to change. Yet that's not the case.0 -
HughFreakingDillon said:no, we express our opinion. you are telling us that scientists would let out a collective groan if they were to see this thread. see the difference?0
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mrussel1 said:So if science is successfully (some times at least) exploring reality, and communicating that reality to us, then how can science only be a product of the social construct? Maybe I'm missing something here, but you're making a statement and then moving the goal posts around, quite a bit.
Edit - if that were the case, then when the construct changes, the science would have to change. Yet that's not the case.
I didn't say it was a product of the social construct, I said it is a social construct. If I wanted to be more precise, I'd say it's a "discourse," but I'm using that word in a highly specific way, so I've tried to avoid it for clarity.
And, umm...science has changed a shit ton, so....yeah.0 -
ecdanc said:You don’t get an opinion on this. More accurately, your opinion doesn’t matter. I can have the opinion that throwing spaghetti at my car will make it run better, but that doesn’t mean I’m saying anything about auto repair.Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer0
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ecdanc said:Stop misrepresenting my stance. I said social construct, not philosophical concept.Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer0
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ecdanc said:Two very quick things:
I didn't say it was a product of the social construct, I said it is a social construct. If I wanted to be more precise, I'd say it's a "discourse," but I'm using that word in a highly specific way, so I've tried to avoid it for clarity.
And, umm...science has changed a shit ton, so....yeah.0 -
mrussel1 said:Science changes because more knowledge gained, not because the social construct changes. You're skipping really important words in my sentence. That's intellectually dishonest.0
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HughFreakingDillon said:you equated it with religion.0
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