Verified Fan Presale Strategery Thread

tdawe · January 2020

WMAmorican said:

jkohn said:

ajaxslax said:

I don’t think you’ll have a hard time reselling in February. The rate it’s going right now, I’ll buy em.

I hope you're right but my guess is that really crappy seats on the exchange won't be flying off the shelves in February (for most shows outside of MSG/Balt/Denver) as most rational people would say that for the "same money" I may as well try to get the best tickets I can on the exchange and wait as long as possible before buying "bad seats" that way (as obviously the prices won't be decided by their market value, and thus bad and good seats will all be priced the same)....so if you get "bad" 10C seats you may be left holding the bag on those ones as you have no real mechanism to price your "bad" seats down accordingly to get rid of them if necessary, and cannot easily transfer them to someone at the venue when you're there if you're still stuck with them.

This is all exactly WHY free markets work better than anything else...I appreciate PJ's valiant efforts to try to make things fair, but life isn't fair, socialism doesn't work, while free-market price signals actually do make sense...yes, it's "unfair" if people with more money (or more desire to be close to their favorite band) get better seats, but it just makes sense that the best seats should cost the most, and the worst seats the least...by forcing everything to be the same price, it's actually making it harder for everyone, and there will be the dreaded "winners" and "losers" in the end...feel the burn, baby, burn...

jkohn: Boy, under this new system I might end up with more Pearl Jam tickets than I can even use. And maybe it’s better for me to just not buy more than I need, because there won’t be a scalper’s market for them, so I might just let someone else buy them in the first place.

You: See, the system just doesn’t work!

Sprunkn7 · January 2020

Please leave some seats for us that got shut out. I beg you!

PB11041 · January 2020

WMAmorican said:

jkohn said:

ajaxslax said:

I don’t think you’ll have a hard time reselling in February. The rate it’s going right now, I’ll buy em.

I hope you're right but my guess is that really crappy seats on the exchange won't be flying off the shelves in February (for most shows outside of MSG/Balt/Denver) as most rational people would say that for the "same money" I may as well try to get the best tickets I can on the exchange and wait as long as possible before buying "bad seats" that way (as obviously the prices won't be decided by their market value, and thus bad and good seats will all be priced the same)....so if you get "bad" 10C seats you may be left holding the bag on those ones as you have no real mechanism to price your "bad" seats down accordingly to get rid of them if necessary, and cannot easily transfer them to someone at the venue when you're there if you're still stuck with them.

This is all exactly WHY free markets work better than anything else...I appreciate PJ's valiant efforts to try to make things fair, but life isn't fair, socialism doesn't work, while free-market price signals actually do make sense...yes, it's "unfair" if people with more money (or more desire to be close to their favorite band) get better seats, but it just makes sense that the best seats should cost the most, and the worst seats the least...by forcing everything to be the same price, it's actually making it harder for everyone, and there will be the dreaded "winners" and "losers" in the end...feel the burn, baby, burn...

If it was a "Free Market" Pearl Jam could set the exact terms of how they want to sell the tickets for their product. While yes the venue owners obviously have a stake in the game, that is negotiation between the band and the venue to set terms. Where and when everything gets a little fucked up is the middle man, the broker, ticketmaster. Ticketmaster is essentially a parasite that feeds off the system. With a band like Pearl Jam that is entrenched and established, there is literally no need for Ticketmaster.

People use the word "free market" to mean most money, that is not the intention nor the best way of operation of open markets. Pearl Jam and every other band has literally no choice if they wish to play a serious venue in New York City. It is Ticketmaster or bust. And that trickles and rolls into almost every market.

The united states concert ticketing system is controlled by a single entity that owns the exclusive rights to the front end and back end of the ticketing system, there is nothing free market about that. It is a sham, a monopoly and anti-competitive.

Lerxst1992 · January 2020

PB11041 said:h

WMAmorican said:

jkohn said:

ajaxslax said:

I don’t think you’ll have a hard time reselling in February. The rate it’s going right now, I’ll buy em.

I hope you're right but my guess is that really crappy seats on the exchange won't be flying off the shelves in February (for most shows outside of MSG/Balt/Denver) as most rational people would say that for the "same money" I may as well try to get the best tickets I can on the exchange and wait as long as possible before buying "bad seats" that way (as obviously the prices won't be decided by their market value, and thus bad and good seats will all be priced the same)....so if you get "bad" 10C seats you may be left holding the bag on those ones as you have no real mechanism to price your "bad" seats down accordingly to get rid of them if necessary, and cannot easily transfer them to someone at the venue when you're there if you're still stuck with them.

This is all exactly WHY free markets work better than anything else...I appreciate PJ's valiant efforts to try to make things fair, but life isn't fair, socialism doesn't work, while free-market price signals actually do make sense...yes, it's "unfair" if people with more money (or more desire to be close to their favorite band) get better seats, but it just makes sense that the best seats should cost the most, and the worst seats the least...by forcing everything to be the same price, it's actually making it harder for everyone, and there will be the dreaded "winners" and "losers" in the end...feel the burn, baby, burn...

If it was a "Free Market" Pearl Jam could set the exact terms of how they want to sell the tickets for their product. While yes the venue owners obviously have a stake in the game, that is negotiation between the band and the venue to set terms. Where and when everything gets a little fucked up is the middle man, the broker, ticketmaster. Ticketmaster is essentially a parasite that feeds off the system. With a band like Pearl Jam that is entrenched and established, there is literally no need for Ticketmaster.

People use the word "free market" to mean most money, that is not the intention nor the best way of operation of open markets. Pearl Jam and every other band has literally no choice if they wish to play a serious venue in New York City. It is Ticketmaster or bust. And that trickles and rolls into almost every market.

The united states concert ticketing system is controlled by a single entity that owns the exclusive rights to the front end and back end of the ticketing system, there is nothing free market about that. It is a sham, a monopoly and anti-competitive.

The market

- does not want to wait to find out the location of their seats, either until day of show like the old days or weeks or months

- does not want to enter into lotteries where the rules and processes are murky and difficult to establish are being fairly applied

- does not wish to be regulated to predetermined seat locations based on a process that occurred decades ago

the funny thing is the PJ ticketing system is a million times less free market that an admittedly flawed TM system.

” The united states PJ concert ticketing system is controlled by a single entity that owns the exclusive rights to the front end and back end of the ticketing system, there is nothing free market about that. It is a sham, constantly rewards the same fans show after show year after year by shutting out the majority of fans to quality seat locations and is a monopoly and anti-competitive.”

EdsonNascimento · January 2020

I am all for the nw TM system. It’s much better and definitely progress. But I have to admit they didn’t think through the timing of 10c lottery and submission of VF request. Maybe they thought it would result in people not buying tickets for a show they got tickets for already, but I doubt that’s going to be the case.

That’s not a TM issue. That’s just not a well thought out process. If 10c had done lottery themselves, this would have been same outcome unless they adjusted timing.

For the fall they should adjust the timing so people can submit their VF priorities after the lottery. A week delay in presale is not going to change much. Now that the lottery process timing is much faster this shouldn’t be a problem. Yes, this would give people who won for a highly sought out show to prioritize another (and maybe that’s what they thought they were going to avoid this way), but as it is now I suspect people are going to double up and either have more friends at one show or hope to “trade” through the fan to fan exchange. So “control” of tix are still going to be whoever wins the VF lottery.

No complaint. The process if fine. It’s just the planning that needs to be tweaked.

CantKeepmedown · January 2020

ryanphishes said:

tdawe said:

JP218404 said:

Reading through this people are gonna buy tickets that they can do shit with thinking they can trade them.

Yup. This whole last week+ has been a real eye opener in terms of the baseline literacy level in this country.

You're all lucky you didn't have to mail order Phish tickets in the 90s and buy postal money orders for each show, a separate one for shipping, and really follow all the simple directions, or they put your envelope in the back of the pile.

Pearl Jam literally did this back in the 90's. People nowadays just want to be spoon fed everything and put not effort into figuring out how things work. Some of the questions/comments here and other places are mind boggling.

Get_Right · January 2020

I love how people are talking like the presale means everyone will get tickets. I will be surprised if 5 people get tickets in front of the stage. Hope Im wrong, but TM presales are usually a joke.

PB11041 · January 2020

Lerxst1992 said:

PB11041 said:h

WMAmorican said:

jkohn said:

ajaxslax said:

I don’t think you’ll have a hard time reselling in February. The rate it’s going right now, I’ll buy em.

I hope you're right but my guess is that really crappy seats on the exchange won't be flying off the shelves in February (for most shows outside of MSG/Balt/Denver) as most rational people would say that for the "same money" I may as well try to get the best tickets I can on the exchange and wait as long as possible before buying "bad seats" that way (as obviously the prices won't be decided by their market value, and thus bad and good seats will all be priced the same)....so if you get "bad" 10C seats you may be left holding the bag on those ones as you have no real mechanism to price your "bad" seats down accordingly to get rid of them if necessary, and cannot easily transfer them to someone at the venue when you're there if you're still stuck with them.

This is all exactly WHY free markets work better than anything else...I appreciate PJ's valiant efforts to try to make things fair, but life isn't fair, socialism doesn't work, while free-market price signals actually do make sense...yes, it's "unfair" if people with more money (or more desire to be close to their favorite band) get better seats, but it just makes sense that the best seats should cost the most, and the worst seats the least...by forcing everything to be the same price, it's actually making it harder for everyone, and there will be the dreaded "winners" and "losers" in the end...feel the burn, baby, burn...

If it was a "Free Market" Pearl Jam could set the exact terms of how they want to sell the tickets for their product. While yes the venue owners obviously have a stake in the game, that is negotiation between the band and the venue to set terms. Where and when everything gets a little fucked up is the middle man, the broker, ticketmaster. Ticketmaster is essentially a parasite that feeds off the system. With a band like Pearl Jam that is entrenched and established, there is literally no need for Ticketmaster.

People use the word "free market" to mean most money, that is not the intention nor the best way of operation of open markets. Pearl Jam and every other band has literally no choice if they wish to play a serious venue in New York City. It is Ticketmaster or bust. And that trickles and rolls into almost every market.

The united states concert ticketing system is controlled by a single entity that owns the exclusive rights to the front end and back end of the ticketing system, there is nothing free market about that. It is a sham, a monopoly and anti-competitive.

The market

- does not want to wait to find out the location of their seats, either until day of show like the old days or weeks or months

- does not want to enter into lotteries where the rules and processes are murky and difficult to establish are being fairly applied

- does not wish to be regulated to predetermined seat locations based on a process that occurred decades ago

the funny thing is the PJ ticketing system is a million times less free market that an admittedly flawed TM system.

” The united states PJ concert ticketing system is controlled by a single entity that owns the exclusive rights to the front end and back end of the ticketing system, there is nothing free market about that. It is a sham, constantly rewards the same fans show after show year after year by shutting out the majority of fans to quality seat locations and is a monopoly and anti-competitive.”

None of those opinions changes the fact that the Ticketmaster system is a fucking scam that is a giant parasite to the system.

None of those opinions defines the market, there is an entirely other end of the market that could say just the opposite.

My larger point is Pearl Jam decides the market, it is their product, we are free to participate, but we are all held captive by a system that feeds a beast that is totally unnecessary. Yes Ticketmaster provides a service and a protocol that makes it easy on the band and venues to set up events, but they don't do it benevolently. While they have every right to make money, they do so with impunity because there is not another option. No one in their right mind would go to the grocery store and buy food and pay tax twice on the food purchase because the store said so, we would all go to a different store. Whether you buy 1, 2, 3 or 5 tickets in an order the mechanics of the order are exactly the same, yet the person buying 5 tickets pays 5 fees for "convenience".

In open markets, like it or not, things like Amazon and Netflix and such create downward price pressure by offering services that people embrace. The concert ticketing system has always worked the opposite because one entity and one entity alone can throttle demand to create a much more severe picture of the market.

Sprunkn7 · January 2020

CantKeepmedown said:

ryanphishes said:

tdawe said:

JP218404 said:

Reading through this people are gonna buy tickets that they can do shit with thinking they can trade them.

Yup. This whole last week+ has been a real eye opener in terms of the baseline literacy level in this country.

You're all lucky you didn't have to mail order Phish tickets in the 90s and buy postal money orders for each show, a separate one for shipping, and really follow all the simple directions, or they put your envelope in the back of the pile.

Pearl Jam literally did this back in the 90's. People nowadays just want to be spoon fed everything and put not effort into figuring out how things work. Some of the questions/comments here and other places are mind boggling.

Yup, I remember those days. MSG is the same it was then. A real PITA.

tdawe · January 2020

EdsonNascimento said:

I am all for the nw TM system. It’s much better and definitely progress. But I have to admit they didn’t think through the timing of 10c lottery and submission of VF request. Maybe they thought it would result in people not buying tickets for a show they got tickets for already, but I doubt that’s going to be the case.

That’s not a TM issue. That’s just not a well thought out process. If 10c had done lottery themselves, this would have been same outcome unless they adjusted timing.

For the fall they should adjust the timing so people can submit their VF priorities after the lottery. A week delay in presale is not going to change much. Now that the lottery process timing is much faster this shouldn’t be a problem. Yes, this would give people who won for a highly sought out show to prioritize another (and maybe that’s what they thought they were going to avoid this way), but as it is now I suspect people are going to double up and either have more friends at one show or hope to “trade” through the fan to fan exchange. So “control” of tix are still going to be whoever wins the VF lottery.

No complaint. The process if fine. It’s just the planning that needs to be tweaked.

Yes. I agree with this 100%.

Evel K · January 2020

sdavis said:

tusevun said:

sdavis said:

So if someone is wanting to go to the same 2 shows that I’m wanting to go to, which is Nashville and St.Louis, and I have landed extra tix to Nashville and need tix to St.Louis and another member ends up with the opposite situation, we meet up at both shows and walk each other in? Could work right?

Yes. Until you get them in the first show and they ditch you on the second.

Ha, unfortunately I have Nashville which is before St.Louis. I would consider this to a member of the 10C though.

I'm a member and have a St. Louis code. I'm more worried about all the other variables. Ill be trying from work and that can be an issue. What if the seats I get aren't that great? I have 10club reserved for both shows so I'm just trying to help my brother and our friend get in. I've bought and sold alot of tickets and merchandise over the years.

hdogg151 · January 2020

I went on the Ticketmaster site last night but couldn't find where it was I would type in my code. Can someone help? Thanks!

Evel K · January 2020

hdogg151 said:

I went on the Ticketmaster site last night but couldn't find where it was I would type in my code. Can someone help? Thanks!

Sale is today at 10:00 A.M going by the VENUES timezone.

Pats16 · January 2020

The email says to join the waiting room at least 10 minutes early. Is that just logging in and going to the screen that lists the PJ shows?

incidental immortality · January 2020

So the link comes as a text? Is that correct? Do people recommend clicking the link to load it on your phone? I'm at work so it will be easier for me to bring it up on my laptop.

BV84003 · January 2020

Pats16 said:

The email says to join the waiting room at least 10 minutes early. Is that just logging in and going to the screen that lists the PJ shows?

Waiting room would be the actual show listing page.

MickeyMouse · January 2020

incidental immortality said:

So the link comes as a text? Is that correct? Do people recommend clicking the link to load it on your phone? I'm at work so it will be easier for me to bring it up on my laptop.

The link is just the landing page for whatever show you’re trying to get tickets to. You could go there right now.

100 Pacer · January 2020

Are codes tied to specific emails? I’ve heard back from some people that mentioned receiving codes but passing them on - would hate for tickets to be cancelled after the fact.

Pats16 · January 2020

Thanks BV

incidental immortality · January 2020

BV84003 said:

Pats16 said:

The email says to join the waiting room at least 10 minutes early. Is that just logging in and going to the screen that lists the PJ shows?

Waiting room would be the actual show listing page.

So, you just load the page for the show that you're approved for and wait?

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