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  • The people “in it” are not the failure.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,553
    it is in the process of failing now!! open your eyes. the checks and balances are not fucking checking or balancing.
    Failed and failing are different tenses.  It hasn't failed.  If Trump isn't removed from office, it still hasn't failed because the process followed the Constitution.  I would argue the Republicans have failed in their duties for sure.  And a pox on them for it.  Until elections are cancelled or the military overtakes the civilian the government, or something like that, it hasn't failed.  The Constitution didn't fail when Lincoln suspended the writ of Habeas Corpus and I would argue that was far, far more dangerous to the Republic than the good Senator from Nebraska voting no on the impeachment articles.  I'm fully awake, but my eyes have a long historical lens.  
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,028
    mrussel1 said:
    I think that's how the saying goes.  So because the Republicans are failing in their duties, we should just scrap the Constitution?  
    I think improvements could be put on the table. 


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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,553
    I think improvements could be put on the table. 


    No argument there.  And we have a process for it.  
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,390
    mrussel1 said:
    Failed and failing are different tenses.  It hasn't failed.  If Trump isn't removed from office, it still hasn't failed because the process followed the Constitution.  I would argue the Republicans have failed in their duties for sure.  And a pox on them for it.  Until elections are cancelled or the military overtakes the civilian the government, or something like that, it hasn't failed.  The Constitution didn't fail when Lincoln suspended the writ of Habeas Corpus and I would argue that was far, far more dangerous to the Republic than the good Senator from Nebraska voting no on the impeachment articles.  I'm fully awake, but my eyes have a long historical lens.  
    when did secession and outright open rebellion against the united states and what the president has done- breaching of the emoluments clause/soliciting help from a foreign goverment to win and election, and extorting an ally all become equated? that is apples to oranges. the southern states bolted on their fear of what lincoln would do to infringe on their rights. in this case the president committed crimes. the people agree, and the republicans in government are doing nothing about it. you are comparing two entirely different historical scenarios.

    we are nowhere near a civil war here, but if trump walks from this, the country will take a generation to recover.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,028
    for one, the impeachment process shouldn't be handled by congress. it's a partisan joke. i know it's not a legal proceeding, so it can't be handled by the courts. but maybe an independent body that doesn't pander to the president or their constituents with the choices they make. 
    "every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"




  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,028
    maybe a Deep State Committee. 
    "every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"




  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,553
    when did secession and outright open rebellion against the united states and what the president has done- breaching of the emoluments clause/soliciting help from a foreign goverment to win and election, and extorting an ally all become equated? that is apples to oranges. the southern states bolted on their fear of what lincoln would do to infringe on their rights. in this case the president committed crimes. the people agree, and the republicans in government are doing nothing about it. you are comparing two entirely different historical scenarios.

    we are nowhere near a civil war here, but if trump walks from this, the country will take a generation to recover.
    My point is that the Constitution survived much more stress than this moment in history.  I provided examples of those moments.  So by your own point, I agree.  Secession, Nullification, Habeas, etc, were far more dangerous moments in our country's history.  Trump not being convicted by the Senate is despicable, but not fatal.  Trump being convicted but refusing to leave, and the no action being taken would be fatal.  That's why I think this whole argument is hyperbolic.  
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,028
    god I'd love it if he refused to leave and was escorted out in cuffs for trespassing. 
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 43,280
    we're selling it wrong. Trump can be the singular stand alone in his field of president removed from office via impeachment conviction.

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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,390
    mrussel1 said:
    My point is that the Constitution survived much more stress than this moment in history.  I provided examples of those moments.  So by your own point, I agree.  Secession, Nullification, Habeas, etc, were far more dangerous moments in our country's history.  Trump not being convicted by the Senate is despicable, but not fatal.  Trump being convicted but refusing to leave, and the no action being taken would be fatal.  That's why I think this whole argument is hyperbolic.  
    it is pretty pointless to argue. i am gonna just sit back and watch it burn.

    we all know how this is going to turn out. impeached in the house. not convicted in the senate. trump will use that to claim innocence. he will go to war on the campaign trail vs the democrats, lose the popular vote worse than he did last time, and be elected by the fucking god damned electoral college again. he will then get 2 more supreme court picks.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 43,280
    edited December 2019
    it is pretty pointless to argue. i am gonna just sit back and watch it burn.

    we all know how this is going to turn out. impeached in the house. not convicted in the senate. trump will use that to claim innocence. he will go to war on the campaign trail vs the democrats, lose the popular vote worse than he did last time, and be elected by the fucking god damned electoral college again. he will then get 2 more supreme court picks.
      someone will try assassination....
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,390
    mickeyrat said:
      someone will try assassination....
    i don't think so. if that happened, THAT might be a deep state conspiracy...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,390
    mickeyrat said:
      someone will try assassination....
    sure, he is hated the world over, but the governments of other countries have pretty much rendered him powerless on the world stage. i think ridicule has been a better weapon against him than anything else.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,028
    mickeyrat said:
      someone will try assassination....
    god I honestly hope not. turning that POS into a martyr is the last thing anyone needs. 
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  • KatKat Posts: 4,942
    CM189191 said:
    Good to see Joe fighting back hard. That ad takes on things soul-eater ran on last time.

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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,390
    Kat said:
    Good to see Joe fighting back hard. That ad takes on things soul-eater ran on last time.

    i think it is an effective add, but i question the timing. why say this in the middle of the dem primary? wouldn't this be better used in the campaign directly vs trump once there is a nominee?

    biden is forgetting the absolutely short attention span and short memory of the average american voter. a lot can happen in the next 11 months before the general election that will make people forget all about this ad.
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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,478
    i think it is an effective add, but i question the timing. why say this in the middle of the dem primary? wouldn't this be better used in the campaign directly vs trump once there is a nominee?

    biden is forgetting the absolutely short attention span and short memory of the average american voter. a lot can happen in the next 11 months before the general election that will make people forget all about this ad.
    Biden is fighting for his life in the primary, he's got to use everything he has.
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 21,600
    mickeyrat said:
      someone will try assassination....
    no way...if they haven't yet they never will
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 21,600
    dignin said:
    Biden is fighting for his life in the primary, he's got to use everything he has.
    polls say otherwise
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 21,600
    edited December 2019
    Kat said:
    CM189191 said:
    Good to see Joe fighting back hard. That ad takes on things soul-eater ran on last time.


    dignin said:
    Biden is fighting for his life in the primary, he's got to use everything he has.
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 21,600
    Kat said:
    Good to see Joe fighting back hard. That ad takes on things soul-eater ran on last time.

    love it....I would hammer tRump with as much humiliating stuff as possible.  The toilet paper on the shoe, the inability to use an unbrella, his hair nest blowing in the wind, pictures of him looking fat, etc.
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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,478
    polls say otherwise
    Look at the fundraising, it's about the money. He was getting crushed but maybe he's doing better now since he's decided to take big money.
  • jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    i think it is an effective add, but i question the timing. why say this in the middle of the dem primary? wouldn't this be better used in the campaign directly vs trump once there is a nominee?

    biden is forgetting the absolutely short attention span and short memory of the average american voter. a lot can happen in the next 11 months before the general election that will make people forget all about this ad.
    He can certainly run the ad again during the generals, but I for one am happy to see him use this now. I have questioned whether Joe still had any fight in him. I've loved the ads Bloomberg and Steyer have been running, directly calling out Trump and calling him a fraud and a failure. I'm happy to see Biden join the fray. I think every Dem should be running these kinds of ads. Show us that you have what it takes to go against Trump head-on.
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,696
    no way...if they haven't yet they never will
    Was talking a bit about this with a friend recently.  We decided the Secret Service is the top organization in our country.  There were no close attempts on the first black president or the racist one that followed him.  Amazing job.  Glad to, that can only make everything worse.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,553
    Was talking a bit about this with a friend recently.  We decided the Secret Service is the top organization in our country.  There were no close attempts on the first black president or the racist one that followed him.  Amazing job.  Glad to, that can only make everything worse.
    Shockingly, Trump hasn't politicized them yet. 
  • stuckinlinestuckinline Posts: 3,386
    love it....I would hammer tRump with as much humiliating stuff as possible.  The toilet paper on the shoe, the inability to use an unbrella, his hair nest blowing in the wind, pictures of him looking fat, etc.
    Don't forgot Melania pushing his hand away. 
  • Don't forgot Melania pushing his hand away. 
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,028
    Or sharts alive.
    that was photoshopped, was it not?

    posting tweets of him complaining about obama's golf, then followed by obama's actual golf numbers next to trump's would also be a good visual. 

    or any of his "there's a tweet for anything" hypocrisies. 
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  • that was photoshopped, was it not?

    posting tweets of him complaining about obama's golf, then followed by obama's actual golf numbers next to trump's would also be a good visual. 

    or any of his "there's a tweet for anything" hypocrisies. 
    No idea but Team Trump Treason is dependable. To play golf.
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