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That's right. At it's core, the system is dependent on the ethics and the integrity of the members of government. It's only as strong as they are. It's being stressed right now, for sure.mickeyrat said:
the system isnt a failure, its the people working in it that are failing......benjs said:
I think it's pre-emptive to say that the system is a failure until a failure to remove him from office. What would be fair to say at this point is that the due process established takes too long to deliver accountability.gimmesometruth27 said:
the system is a failure.EdsonNascimento said:
Do any of you understand the concept of American Government? I think you all need a civics beginner level course.dignin said:
Yes, people who want a more representational democracy are a bunch of butthurt crybabys.cincybearcat said:As far as I can tell ... when you lose a historically winnable election because you ignored the facts of the race...and then you complain about the electoral college and 2 senators per state and talk of changing the system and claiming it’s unfair...
you come across as a butthurt craybaby.
But of course trump is worse so none of that matters.
It makes perfect sense that a state that has a population of 1 million has the same power in the senate as a state with the population as 40 million.
Bicameral legislature - one representative (the House), and one equal by State (Senate) to ensure a single state does not have an overwhelming influence. It's a very good check and balance within the legislature. If you make the Senate representative, you might as well abolish it.
I won't go into the reasons why this is genius (And it has nothing to do with the fact that Republicans control the Senate as that hasn't always been the case). But, it is.
we have a president that has committed crimes and we cannot hold him responsible or punish him. we do not have republic or a democracy. we have the beginning of a monarchy.
Bear in mind, the reason that this isn't deemed a constitutional crisis at this point is because there is a due process which is being pursued as we speak. That's impeachment followed by the subsequent vote by the Senate. If and when it fails there, then it's a visible failure.0 -
It’s not even that. Please don’t conflate the twomickeyrat said:
the system isnt a failure, its the people working in it that are failing......benjs said:
I think it's pre-emptive to say that the system is a failure until a failure to remove him from office. What would be fair to say at this point is that the due process established takes too long to deliver accountability.gimmesometruth27 said:
the system is a failure.EdsonNascimento said:
Do any of you understand the concept of American Government? I think you all need a civics beginner level course.dignin said:
Yes, people who want a more representational democracy are a bunch of butthurt crybabys.cincybearcat said:As far as I can tell ... when you lose a historically winnable election because you ignored the facts of the race...and then you complain about the electoral college and 2 senators per state and talk of changing the system and claiming it’s unfair...
you come across as a butthurt craybaby.
But of course trump is worse so none of that matters.
It makes perfect sense that a state that has a population of 1 million has the same power in the senate as a state with the population as 40 million.
Bicameral legislature - one representative (the House), and one equal by State (Senate) to ensure a single state does not have an overwhelming influence. It's a very good check and balance within the legislature. If you make the Senate representative, you might as well abolish it.
I won't go into the reasons why this is genius (And it has nothing to do with the fact that Republicans control the Senate as that hasn't always been the case). But, it is.
we have a president that has committed crimes and we cannot hold him responsible or punish him. we do not have republic or a democracy. we have the beginning of a monarchy.
Bear in mind, the reason that this isn't deemed a constitutional crisis at this point is because there is a due process which is being pursued as we speak. That's impeachment followed by the subsequent vote by the Senate. If and when it fails there, then it's a visible failure.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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It's impossible to separate the members of gov't from the Constitution. They are completely intertwined and connected. In this case, the whistleblower did their duty. As did the staff that testified. The Dems are doing their diligence as well. Now the Republican Senators must do their duty for the system to work properly. Mickey is dead on.Halifax2TheMax said:
It’s not even that. Please don’t conflate the twomickeyrat said:
the system isnt a failure, its the people working in it that are failing......benjs said:
I think it's pre-emptive to say that the system is a failure until a failure to remove him from office. What would be fair to say at this point is that the due process established takes too long to deliver accountability.gimmesometruth27 said:
the system is a failure.EdsonNascimento said:
Do any of you understand the concept of American Government? I think you all need a civics beginner level course.dignin said:
Yes, people who want a more representational democracy are a bunch of butthurt crybabys.cincybearcat said:As far as I can tell ... when you lose a historically winnable election because you ignored the facts of the race...and then you complain about the electoral college and 2 senators per state and talk of changing the system and claiming it’s unfair...
you come across as a butthurt craybaby.
But of course trump is worse so none of that matters.
It makes perfect sense that a state that has a population of 1 million has the same power in the senate as a state with the population as 40 million.
Bicameral legislature - one representative (the House), and one equal by State (Senate) to ensure a single state does not have an overwhelming influence. It's a very good check and balance within the legislature. If you make the Senate representative, you might as well abolish it.
I won't go into the reasons why this is genius (And it has nothing to do with the fact that Republicans control the Senate as that hasn't always been the case). But, it is.
we have a president that has committed crimes and we cannot hold him responsible or punish him. we do not have republic or a democracy. we have the beginning of a monarchy.
Bear in mind, the reason that this isn't deemed a constitutional crisis at this point is because there is a due process which is being pursued as we speak. That's impeachment followed by the subsequent vote by the Senate. If and when it fails there, then it's a visible failure.0 -
No, no he’s not “dead on.”mrussel1 said:
It's impossible to separate the members of gov't from the Constitution. They are completely intertwined and connected. In this case, the whistleblower did their duty. As did the staff that testified. The Dems are doing their diligence as well. Now the Republican Senators must do their duty for the system to work properly. Mickey is dead on.Halifax2TheMax said:
It’s not even that. Please don’t conflate the twomickeyrat said:
the system isnt a failure, its the people working in it that are failing......benjs said:
I think it's pre-emptive to say that the system is a failure until a failure to remove him from office. What would be fair to say at this point is that the due process established takes too long to deliver accountability.gimmesometruth27 said:
the system is a failure.EdsonNascimento said:
Do any of you understand the concept of American Government? I think you all need a civics beginner level course.dignin said:
Yes, people who want a more representational democracy are a bunch of butthurt crybabys.cincybearcat said:As far as I can tell ... when you lose a historically winnable election because you ignored the facts of the race...and then you complain about the electoral college and 2 senators per state and talk of changing the system and claiming it’s unfair...
you come across as a butthurt craybaby.
But of course trump is worse so none of that matters.
It makes perfect sense that a state that has a population of 1 million has the same power in the senate as a state with the population as 40 million.
Bicameral legislature - one representative (the House), and one equal by State (Senate) to ensure a single state does not have an overwhelming influence. It's a very good check and balance within the legislature. If you make the Senate representative, you might as well abolish it.
I won't go into the reasons why this is genius (And it has nothing to do with the fact that Republicans control the Senate as that hasn't always been the case). But, it is.
we have a president that has committed crimes and we cannot hold him responsible or punish him. we do not have republic or a democracy. we have the beginning of a monarchy.
Bear in mind, the reason that this isn't deemed a constitutional crisis at this point is because there is a due process which is being pursued as we speak. That's impeachment followed by the subsequent vote by the Senate. If and when it fails there, then it's a visible failure.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Oh, I hadn't thought of it that way. That's helpful.Halifax2TheMax said:
No, no he’s not “dead on.”mrussel1 said:
It's impossible to separate the members of gov't from the Constitution. They are completely intertwined and connected. In this case, the whistleblower did their duty. As did the staff that testified. The Dems are doing their diligence as well. Now the Republican Senators must do their duty for the system to work properly. Mickey is dead on.Halifax2TheMax said:
It’s not even that. Please don’t conflate the twomickeyrat said:
the system isnt a failure, its the people working in it that are failing......benjs said:
I think it's pre-emptive to say that the system is a failure until a failure to remove him from office. What would be fair to say at this point is that the due process established takes too long to deliver accountability.gimmesometruth27 said:
the system is a failure.EdsonNascimento said:
Do any of you understand the concept of American Government? I think you all need a civics beginner level course.dignin said:
Yes, people who want a more representational democracy are a bunch of butthurt crybabys.cincybearcat said:As far as I can tell ... when you lose a historically winnable election because you ignored the facts of the race...and then you complain about the electoral college and 2 senators per state and talk of changing the system and claiming it’s unfair...
you come across as a butthurt craybaby.
But of course trump is worse so none of that matters.
It makes perfect sense that a state that has a population of 1 million has the same power in the senate as a state with the population as 40 million.
Bicameral legislature - one representative (the House), and one equal by State (Senate) to ensure a single state does not have an overwhelming influence. It's a very good check and balance within the legislature. If you make the Senate representative, you might as well abolish it.
I won't go into the reasons why this is genius (And it has nothing to do with the fact that Republicans control the Senate as that hasn't always been the case). But, it is.
we have a president that has committed crimes and we cannot hold him responsible or punish him. we do not have republic or a democracy. we have the beginning of a monarchy.
Bear in mind, the reason that this isn't deemed a constitutional crisis at this point is because there is a due process which is being pursued as we speak. That's impeachment followed by the subsequent vote by the Senate. If and when it fails there, then it's a visible failure.
Sorry Mick, you're wrong.0 -
it is in the process of failing now!! open your eyes. the checks and balances are not fucking checking or balancing.mrussel1 said:
It hasn't failed.gimmesometruth27 said:
the longest running anything eventually fails. it is not hyperbole. it is a fact.mrussel1 said:Please... calling it a failure because it's under stress is total hyperbole. It's the longest running Constitution. That's hardly a failure."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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Yea, because you (general you) always throw the baby out with the bath water.mrussel1 said:
Oh, I hadn't thought of it that way. That's helpful.Halifax2TheMax said:
No, no he’s not “dead on.”mrussel1 said:
It's impossible to separate the members of gov't from the Constitution. They are completely intertwined and connected. In this case, the whistleblower did their duty. As did the staff that testified. The Dems are doing their diligence as well. Now the Republican Senators must do their duty for the system to work properly. Mickey is dead on.Halifax2TheMax said:
It’s not even that. Please don’t conflate the twomickeyrat said:
the system isnt a failure, its the people working in it that are failing......benjs said:
I think it's pre-emptive to say that the system is a failure until a failure to remove him from office. What would be fair to say at this point is that the due process established takes too long to deliver accountability.gimmesometruth27 said:
the system is a failure.EdsonNascimento said:
Do any of you understand the concept of American Government? I think you all need a civics beginner level course.dignin said:
Yes, people who want a more representational democracy are a bunch of butthurt crybabys.cincybearcat said:As far as I can tell ... when you lose a historically winnable election because you ignored the facts of the race...and then you complain about the electoral college and 2 senators per state and talk of changing the system and claiming it’s unfair...
you come across as a butthurt craybaby.
But of course trump is worse so none of that matters.
It makes perfect sense that a state that has a population of 1 million has the same power in the senate as a state with the population as 40 million.
Bicameral legislature - one representative (the House), and one equal by State (Senate) to ensure a single state does not have an overwhelming influence. It's a very good check and balance within the legislature. If you make the Senate representative, you might as well abolish it.
I won't go into the reasons why this is genius (And it has nothing to do with the fact that Republicans control the Senate as that hasn't always been the case). But, it is.
we have a president that has committed crimes and we cannot hold him responsible or punish him. we do not have republic or a democracy. we have the beginning of a monarchy.
Bear in mind, the reason that this isn't deemed a constitutional crisis at this point is because there is a due process which is being pursued as we speak. That's impeachment followed by the subsequent vote by the Senate. If and when it fails there, then it's a visible failure.
Sorry Mick, you're wrong.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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I think that's how the saying goes. So because the Republicans are failing in their duties, we should just scrap the Constitution?Halifax2TheMax said:
Yea, because you (general you) always throw the baby out with the bath water.mrussel1 said:
Oh, I hadn't thought of it that way. That's helpful.Halifax2TheMax said:
No, no he’s not “dead on.”mrussel1 said:
It's impossible to separate the members of gov't from the Constitution. They are completely intertwined and connected. In this case, the whistleblower did their duty. As did the staff that testified. The Dems are doing their diligence as well. Now the Republican Senators must do their duty for the system to work properly. Mickey is dead on.Halifax2TheMax said:
It’s not even that. Please don’t conflate the twomickeyrat said:
the system isnt a failure, its the people working in it that are failing......benjs said:
I think it's pre-emptive to say that the system is a failure until a failure to remove him from office. What would be fair to say at this point is that the due process established takes too long to deliver accountability.gimmesometruth27 said:
the system is a failure.EdsonNascimento said:
Do any of you understand the concept of American Government? I think you all need a civics beginner level course.dignin said:
Yes, people who want a more representational democracy are a bunch of butthurt crybabys.cincybearcat said:As far as I can tell ... when you lose a historically winnable election because you ignored the facts of the race...and then you complain about the electoral college and 2 senators per state and talk of changing the system and claiming it’s unfair...
you come across as a butthurt craybaby.
But of course trump is worse so none of that matters.
It makes perfect sense that a state that has a population of 1 million has the same power in the senate as a state with the population as 40 million.
Bicameral legislature - one representative (the House), and one equal by State (Senate) to ensure a single state does not have an overwhelming influence. It's a very good check and balance within the legislature. If you make the Senate representative, you might as well abolish it.
I won't go into the reasons why this is genius (And it has nothing to do with the fact that Republicans control the Senate as that hasn't always been the case). But, it is.
we have a president that has committed crimes and we cannot hold him responsible or punish him. we do not have republic or a democracy. we have the beginning of a monarchy.
Bear in mind, the reason that this isn't deemed a constitutional crisis at this point is because there is a due process which is being pursued as we speak. That's impeachment followed by the subsequent vote by the Senate. If and when it fails there, then it's a visible failure.
Sorry Mick, you're wrong.0 -
People have not a fucking clue. And all you have to do is go back to Election Day plus one.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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yes. they want a monarchy where the president is protected at all costs, that is not anywhere in the constitution. if it is not working, it needs to be blown up and fixed. it is failing right in front of our eyes. the entire world can see it.mrussel1 said:
I think that's how the saying goes. So because the Republicans are failing in their duties, we should just scrap the Constitution?Halifax2TheMax said:
Yea, because you (general you) always throw the baby out with the bath water.mrussel1 said:
Oh, I hadn't thought of it that way. That's helpful.Halifax2TheMax said:
No, no he’s not “dead on.”mrussel1 said:
It's impossible to separate the members of gov't from the Constitution. They are completely intertwined and connected. In this case, the whistleblower did their duty. As did the staff that testified. The Dems are doing their diligence as well. Now the Republican Senators must do their duty for the system to work properly. Mickey is dead on.Halifax2TheMax said:
It’s not even that. Please don’t conflate the twomickeyrat said:
the system isnt a failure, its the people working in it that are failing......benjs said:
I think it's pre-emptive to say that the system is a failure until a failure to remove him from office. What would be fair to say at this point is that the due process established takes too long to deliver accountability.gimmesometruth27 said:
the system is a failure.EdsonNascimento said:
Do any of you understand the concept of American Government? I think you all need a civics beginner level course.dignin said:
Yes, people who want a more representational democracy are a bunch of butthurt crybabys.cincybearcat said:As far as I can tell ... when you lose a historically winnable election because you ignored the facts of the race...and then you complain about the electoral college and 2 senators per state and talk of changing the system and claiming it’s unfair...
you come across as a butthurt craybaby.
But of course trump is worse so none of that matters.
It makes perfect sense that a state that has a population of 1 million has the same power in the senate as a state with the population as 40 million.
Bicameral legislature - one representative (the House), and one equal by State (Senate) to ensure a single state does not have an overwhelming influence. It's a very good check and balance within the legislature. If you make the Senate representative, you might as well abolish it.
I won't go into the reasons why this is genius (And it has nothing to do with the fact that Republicans control the Senate as that hasn't always been the case). But, it is.
we have a president that has committed crimes and we cannot hold him responsible or punish him. we do not have republic or a democracy. we have the beginning of a monarchy.
Bear in mind, the reason that this isn't deemed a constitutional crisis at this point is because there is a due process which is being pursued as we speak. That's impeachment followed by the subsequent vote by the Senate. If and when it fails there, then it's a visible failure.
Sorry Mick, you're wrong."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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Failed and failing are different tenses. It hasn't failed. If Trump isn't removed from office, it still hasn't failed because the process followed the Constitution. I would argue the Republicans have failed in their duties for sure. And a pox on them for it. Until elections are cancelled or the military overtakes the civilian the government, or something like that, it hasn't failed. The Constitution didn't fail when Lincoln suspended the writ of Habeas Corpus and I would argue that was far, far more dangerous to the Republic than the good Senator from Nebraska voting no on the impeachment articles. I'm fully awake, but my eyes have a long historical lens.gimmesometruth27 said:
it is in the process of failing now!! open your eyes. the checks and balances are not fucking checking or balancing.mrussel1 said:
It hasn't failed.gimmesometruth27 said:
the longest running anything eventually fails. it is not hyperbole. it is a fact.mrussel1 said:Please... calling it a failure because it's under stress is total hyperbole. It's the longest running Constitution. That's hardly a failure.0 -
I think improvements could be put on the table.mrussel1 said:
I think that's how the saying goes. So because the Republicans are failing in their duties, we should just scrap the Constitution?Halifax2TheMax said:
Yea, because you (general you) always throw the baby out with the bath water.mrussel1 said:
Oh, I hadn't thought of it that way. That's helpful.Halifax2TheMax said:
No, no he’s not “dead on.”mrussel1 said:
It's impossible to separate the members of gov't from the Constitution. They are completely intertwined and connected. In this case, the whistleblower did their duty. As did the staff that testified. The Dems are doing their diligence as well. Now the Republican Senators must do their duty for the system to work properly. Mickey is dead on.Halifax2TheMax said:
It’s not even that. Please don’t conflate the twomickeyrat said:
the system isnt a failure, its the people working in it that are failing......benjs said:
I think it's pre-emptive to say that the system is a failure until a failure to remove him from office. What would be fair to say at this point is that the due process established takes too long to deliver accountability.gimmesometruth27 said:
the system is a failure.EdsonNascimento said:
Do any of you understand the concept of American Government? I think you all need a civics beginner level course.dignin said:
Yes, people who want a more representational democracy are a bunch of butthurt crybabys.cincybearcat said:As far as I can tell ... when you lose a historically winnable election because you ignored the facts of the race...and then you complain about the electoral college and 2 senators per state and talk of changing the system and claiming it’s unfair...
you come across as a butthurt craybaby.
But of course trump is worse so none of that matters.
It makes perfect sense that a state that has a population of 1 million has the same power in the senate as a state with the population as 40 million.
Bicameral legislature - one representative (the House), and one equal by State (Senate) to ensure a single state does not have an overwhelming influence. It's a very good check and balance within the legislature. If you make the Senate representative, you might as well abolish it.
I won't go into the reasons why this is genius (And it has nothing to do with the fact that Republicans control the Senate as that hasn't always been the case). But, it is.
we have a president that has committed crimes and we cannot hold him responsible or punish him. we do not have republic or a democracy. we have the beginning of a monarchy.
Bear in mind, the reason that this isn't deemed a constitutional crisis at this point is because there is a due process which is being pursued as we speak. That's impeachment followed by the subsequent vote by the Senate. If and when it fails there, then it's a visible failure.
Sorry Mick, you're wrong.
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No argument there. And we have a process for it.HughFreakingDillon said:
I think improvements could be put on the table.mrussel1 said:
I think that's how the saying goes. So because the Republicans are failing in their duties, we should just scrap the Constitution?Halifax2TheMax said:
Yea, because you (general you) always throw the baby out with the bath water.mrussel1 said:
Oh, I hadn't thought of it that way. That's helpful.Halifax2TheMax said:
No, no he’s not “dead on.”mrussel1 said:
It's impossible to separate the members of gov't from the Constitution. They are completely intertwined and connected. In this case, the whistleblower did their duty. As did the staff that testified. The Dems are doing their diligence as well. Now the Republican Senators must do their duty for the system to work properly. Mickey is dead on.Halifax2TheMax said:
It’s not even that. Please don’t conflate the twomickeyrat said:
the system isnt a failure, its the people working in it that are failing......benjs said:
I think it's pre-emptive to say that the system is a failure until a failure to remove him from office. What would be fair to say at this point is that the due process established takes too long to deliver accountability.gimmesometruth27 said:
the system is a failure.EdsonNascimento said:
Do any of you understand the concept of American Government? I think you all need a civics beginner level course.dignin said:
Yes, people who want a more representational democracy are a bunch of butthurt crybabys.cincybearcat said:As far as I can tell ... when you lose a historically winnable election because you ignored the facts of the race...and then you complain about the electoral college and 2 senators per state and talk of changing the system and claiming it’s unfair...
you come across as a butthurt craybaby.
But of course trump is worse so none of that matters.
It makes perfect sense that a state that has a population of 1 million has the same power in the senate as a state with the population as 40 million.
Bicameral legislature - one representative (the House), and one equal by State (Senate) to ensure a single state does not have an overwhelming influence. It's a very good check and balance within the legislature. If you make the Senate representative, you might as well abolish it.
I won't go into the reasons why this is genius (And it has nothing to do with the fact that Republicans control the Senate as that hasn't always been the case). But, it is.
we have a president that has committed crimes and we cannot hold him responsible or punish him. we do not have republic or a democracy. we have the beginning of a monarchy.
Bear in mind, the reason that this isn't deemed a constitutional crisis at this point is because there is a due process which is being pursued as we speak. That's impeachment followed by the subsequent vote by the Senate. If and when it fails there, then it's a visible failure.
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when did secession and outright open rebellion against the united states and what the president has done- breaching of the emoluments clause/soliciting help from a foreign goverment to win and election, and extorting an ally all become equated? that is apples to oranges. the southern states bolted on their fear of what lincoln would do to infringe on their rights. in this case the president committed crimes. the people agree, and the republicans in government are doing nothing about it. you are comparing two entirely different historical scenarios.mrussel1 said:
Failed and failing are different tenses. It hasn't failed. If Trump isn't removed from office, it still hasn't failed because the process followed the Constitution. I would argue the Republicans have failed in their duties for sure. And a pox on them for it. Until elections are cancelled or the military overtakes the civilian the government, or something like that, it hasn't failed. The Constitution didn't fail when Lincoln suspended the writ of Habeas Corpus and I would argue that was far, far more dangerous to the Republic than the good Senator from Nebraska voting no on the impeachment articles. I'm fully awake, but my eyes have a long historical lens.gimmesometruth27 said:
it is in the process of failing now!! open your eyes. the checks and balances are not fucking checking or balancing.mrussel1 said:
It hasn't failed.gimmesometruth27 said:
the longest running anything eventually fails. it is not hyperbole. it is a fact.mrussel1 said:Please... calling it a failure because it's under stress is total hyperbole. It's the longest running Constitution. That's hardly a failure.
we are nowhere near a civil war here, but if trump walks from this, the country will take a generation to recover."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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for one, the impeachment process shouldn't be handled by congress. it's a partisan joke. i know it's not a legal proceeding, so it can't be handled by the courts. but maybe an independent body that doesn't pander to the president or their constituents with the choices they make.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0
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maybe a Deep State Committee.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0
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My point is that the Constitution survived much more stress than this moment in history. I provided examples of those moments. So by your own point, I agree. Secession, Nullification, Habeas, etc, were far more dangerous moments in our country's history. Trump not being convicted by the Senate is despicable, but not fatal. Trump being convicted but refusing to leave, and the no action being taken would be fatal. That's why I think this whole argument is hyperbolic.gimmesometruth27 said:
when did secession and outright open rebellion against the united states and what the president has done- breaching of the emoluments clause/soliciting help from a foreign goverment to win and election, and extorting an ally all become equated? that is apples to oranges. the southern states bolted on their fear of what lincoln would do to infringe on their rights. in this case the president committed crimes. the people agree, and the republicans in government are doing nothing about it. you are comparing two entirely different historical scenarios.mrussel1 said:
Failed and failing are different tenses. It hasn't failed. If Trump isn't removed from office, it still hasn't failed because the process followed the Constitution. I would argue the Republicans have failed in their duties for sure. And a pox on them for it. Until elections are cancelled or the military overtakes the civilian the government, or something like that, it hasn't failed. The Constitution didn't fail when Lincoln suspended the writ of Habeas Corpus and I would argue that was far, far more dangerous to the Republic than the good Senator from Nebraska voting no on the impeachment articles. I'm fully awake, but my eyes have a long historical lens.gimmesometruth27 said:
it is in the process of failing now!! open your eyes. the checks and balances are not fucking checking or balancing.mrussel1 said:
It hasn't failed.gimmesometruth27 said:
the longest running anything eventually fails. it is not hyperbole. it is a fact.mrussel1 said:Please... calling it a failure because it's under stress is total hyperbole. It's the longest running Constitution. That's hardly a failure.
we are nowhere near a civil war here, but if trump walks from this, the country will take a generation to recover.0 -
god I'd love it if he refused to leave and was escorted out in cuffs for trespassing.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0
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