Donald Trump
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it is pretty pointless to argue. i am gonna just sit back and watch it burn.mrussel1 said:
My point is that the Constitution survived much more stress than this moment in history. I provided examples of those moments. So by your own point, I agree. Secession, Nullification, Habeas, etc, were far more dangerous moments in our country's history. Trump not being convicted by the Senate is despicable, but not fatal. Trump being convicted but refusing to leave, and the no action being taken would be fatal. That's why I think this whole argument is hyperbolic.gimmesometruth27 said:
when did secession and outright open rebellion against the united states and what the president has done- breaching of the emoluments clause/soliciting help from a foreign goverment to win and election, and extorting an ally all become equated? that is apples to oranges. the southern states bolted on their fear of what lincoln would do to infringe on their rights. in this case the president committed crimes. the people agree, and the republicans in government are doing nothing about it. you are comparing two entirely different historical scenarios.mrussel1 said:
Failed and failing are different tenses. It hasn't failed. If Trump isn't removed from office, it still hasn't failed because the process followed the Constitution. I would argue the Republicans have failed in their duties for sure. And a pox on them for it. Until elections are cancelled or the military overtakes the civilian the government, or something like that, it hasn't failed. The Constitution didn't fail when Lincoln suspended the writ of Habeas Corpus and I would argue that was far, far more dangerous to the Republic than the good Senator from Nebraska voting no on the impeachment articles. I'm fully awake, but my eyes have a long historical lens.gimmesometruth27 said:
it is in the process of failing now!! open your eyes. the checks and balances are not fucking checking or balancing.mrussel1 said:
It hasn't failed.gimmesometruth27 said:
the longest running anything eventually fails. it is not hyperbole. it is a fact.mrussel1 said:Please... calling it a failure because it's under stress is total hyperbole. It's the longest running Constitution. That's hardly a failure.
we are nowhere near a civil war here, but if trump walks from this, the country will take a generation to recover.
we all know how this is going to turn out. impeached in the house. not convicted in the senate. trump will use that to claim innocence. he will go to war on the campaign trail vs the democrats, lose the popular vote worse than he did last time, and be elected by the fucking god damned electoral college again. he will then get 2 more supreme court picks."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
someone will try assassination....gimmesometruth27 said:
it is pretty pointless to argue. i am gonna just sit back and watch it burn.mrussel1 said:
My point is that the Constitution survived much more stress than this moment in history. I provided examples of those moments. So by your own point, I agree. Secession, Nullification, Habeas, etc, were far more dangerous moments in our country's history. Trump not being convicted by the Senate is despicable, but not fatal. Trump being convicted but refusing to leave, and the no action being taken would be fatal. That's why I think this whole argument is hyperbolic.gimmesometruth27 said:
when did secession and outright open rebellion against the united states and what the president has done- breaching of the emoluments clause/soliciting help from a foreign goverment to win and election, and extorting an ally all become equated? that is apples to oranges. the southern states bolted on their fear of what lincoln would do to infringe on their rights. in this case the president committed crimes. the people agree, and the republicans in government are doing nothing about it. you are comparing two entirely different historical scenarios.mrussel1 said:
Failed and failing are different tenses. It hasn't failed. If Trump isn't removed from office, it still hasn't failed because the process followed the Constitution. I would argue the Republicans have failed in their duties for sure. And a pox on them for it. Until elections are cancelled or the military overtakes the civilian the government, or something like that, it hasn't failed. The Constitution didn't fail when Lincoln suspended the writ of Habeas Corpus and I would argue that was far, far more dangerous to the Republic than the good Senator from Nebraska voting no on the impeachment articles. I'm fully awake, but my eyes have a long historical lens.gimmesometruth27 said:
it is in the process of failing now!! open your eyes. the checks and balances are not fucking checking or balancing.mrussel1 said:
It hasn't failed.gimmesometruth27 said:
the longest running anything eventually fails. it is not hyperbole. it is a fact.mrussel1 said:Please... calling it a failure because it's under stress is total hyperbole. It's the longest running Constitution. That's hardly a failure.
we are nowhere near a civil war here, but if trump walks from this, the country will take a generation to recover.
we all know how this is going to turn out. impeached in the house. not convicted in the senate. trump will use that to claim innocence. he will go to war on the campaign trail vs the democrats, lose the popular vote worse than he did last time, and be elected by the fucking god damned electoral college again. he will then get 2 more supreme court picks.
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i don't think so. if that happened, THAT might be a deep state conspiracy...mickeyrat said:
someone will try assassination....gimmesometruth27 said:
it is pretty pointless to argue. i am gonna just sit back and watch it burn.mrussel1 said:
My point is that the Constitution survived much more stress than this moment in history. I provided examples of those moments. So by your own point, I agree. Secession, Nullification, Habeas, etc, were far more dangerous moments in our country's history. Trump not being convicted by the Senate is despicable, but not fatal. Trump being convicted but refusing to leave, and the no action being taken would be fatal. That's why I think this whole argument is hyperbolic.gimmesometruth27 said:
when did secession and outright open rebellion against the united states and what the president has done- breaching of the emoluments clause/soliciting help from a foreign goverment to win and election, and extorting an ally all become equated? that is apples to oranges. the southern states bolted on their fear of what lincoln would do to infringe on their rights. in this case the president committed crimes. the people agree, and the republicans in government are doing nothing about it. you are comparing two entirely different historical scenarios.mrussel1 said:
Failed and failing are different tenses. It hasn't failed. If Trump isn't removed from office, it still hasn't failed because the process followed the Constitution. I would argue the Republicans have failed in their duties for sure. And a pox on them for it. Until elections are cancelled or the military overtakes the civilian the government, or something like that, it hasn't failed. The Constitution didn't fail when Lincoln suspended the writ of Habeas Corpus and I would argue that was far, far more dangerous to the Republic than the good Senator from Nebraska voting no on the impeachment articles. I'm fully awake, but my eyes have a long historical lens.gimmesometruth27 said:
it is in the process of failing now!! open your eyes. the checks and balances are not fucking checking or balancing.mrussel1 said:
It hasn't failed.gimmesometruth27 said:
the longest running anything eventually fails. it is not hyperbole. it is a fact.mrussel1 said:Please... calling it a failure because it's under stress is total hyperbole. It's the longest running Constitution. That's hardly a failure.
we are nowhere near a civil war here, but if trump walks from this, the country will take a generation to recover.
we all know how this is going to turn out. impeached in the house. not convicted in the senate. trump will use that to claim innocence. he will go to war on the campaign trail vs the democrats, lose the popular vote worse than he did last time, and be elected by the fucking god damned electoral college again. he will then get 2 more supreme court picks."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
sure, he is hated the world over, but the governments of other countries have pretty much rendered him powerless on the world stage. i think ridicule has been a better weapon against him than anything else.mickeyrat said:
someone will try assassination....gimmesometruth27 said:
it is pretty pointless to argue. i am gonna just sit back and watch it burn.mrussel1 said:
My point is that the Constitution survived much more stress than this moment in history. I provided examples of those moments. So by your own point, I agree. Secession, Nullification, Habeas, etc, were far more dangerous moments in our country's history. Trump not being convicted by the Senate is despicable, but not fatal. Trump being convicted but refusing to leave, and the no action being taken would be fatal. That's why I think this whole argument is hyperbolic.gimmesometruth27 said:
when did secession and outright open rebellion against the united states and what the president has done- breaching of the emoluments clause/soliciting help from a foreign goverment to win and election, and extorting an ally all become equated? that is apples to oranges. the southern states bolted on their fear of what lincoln would do to infringe on their rights. in this case the president committed crimes. the people agree, and the republicans in government are doing nothing about it. you are comparing two entirely different historical scenarios.mrussel1 said:
Failed and failing are different tenses. It hasn't failed. If Trump isn't removed from office, it still hasn't failed because the process followed the Constitution. I would argue the Republicans have failed in their duties for sure. And a pox on them for it. Until elections are cancelled or the military overtakes the civilian the government, or something like that, it hasn't failed. The Constitution didn't fail when Lincoln suspended the writ of Habeas Corpus and I would argue that was far, far more dangerous to the Republic than the good Senator from Nebraska voting no on the impeachment articles. I'm fully awake, but my eyes have a long historical lens.gimmesometruth27 said:
it is in the process of failing now!! open your eyes. the checks and balances are not fucking checking or balancing.mrussel1 said:
It hasn't failed.gimmesometruth27 said:
the longest running anything eventually fails. it is not hyperbole. it is a fact.mrussel1 said:Please... calling it a failure because it's under stress is total hyperbole. It's the longest running Constitution. That's hardly a failure.
we are nowhere near a civil war here, but if trump walks from this, the country will take a generation to recover.
we all know how this is going to turn out. impeached in the house. not convicted in the senate. trump will use that to claim innocence. he will go to war on the campaign trail vs the democrats, lose the popular vote worse than he did last time, and be elected by the fucking god damned electoral college again. he will then get 2 more supreme court picks."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
god I honestly hope not. turning that POS into a martyr is the last thing anyone needs.mickeyrat said:
someone will try assassination....gimmesometruth27 said:
it is pretty pointless to argue. i am gonna just sit back and watch it burn.mrussel1 said:
My point is that the Constitution survived much more stress than this moment in history. I provided examples of those moments. So by your own point, I agree. Secession, Nullification, Habeas, etc, were far more dangerous moments in our country's history. Trump not being convicted by the Senate is despicable, but not fatal. Trump being convicted but refusing to leave, and the no action being taken would be fatal. That's why I think this whole argument is hyperbolic.gimmesometruth27 said:
when did secession and outright open rebellion against the united states and what the president has done- breaching of the emoluments clause/soliciting help from a foreign goverment to win and election, and extorting an ally all become equated? that is apples to oranges. the southern states bolted on their fear of what lincoln would do to infringe on their rights. in this case the president committed crimes. the people agree, and the republicans in government are doing nothing about it. you are comparing two entirely different historical scenarios.mrussel1 said:
Failed and failing are different tenses. It hasn't failed. If Trump isn't removed from office, it still hasn't failed because the process followed the Constitution. I would argue the Republicans have failed in their duties for sure. And a pox on them for it. Until elections are cancelled or the military overtakes the civilian the government, or something like that, it hasn't failed. The Constitution didn't fail when Lincoln suspended the writ of Habeas Corpus and I would argue that was far, far more dangerous to the Republic than the good Senator from Nebraska voting no on the impeachment articles. I'm fully awake, but my eyes have a long historical lens.gimmesometruth27 said:
it is in the process of failing now!! open your eyes. the checks and balances are not fucking checking or balancing.mrussel1 said:
It hasn't failed.gimmesometruth27 said:
the longest running anything eventually fails. it is not hyperbole. it is a fact.mrussel1 said:Please... calling it a failure because it's under stress is total hyperbole. It's the longest running Constitution. That's hardly a failure.
we are nowhere near a civil war here, but if trump walks from this, the country will take a generation to recover.
we all know how this is going to turn out. impeached in the house. not convicted in the senate. trump will use that to claim innocence. he will go to war on the campaign trail vs the democrats, lose the popular vote worse than he did last time, and be elected by the fucking god damned electoral college again. he will then get 2 more supreme court picks.Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer0 -
Good to see Joe fighting back hard. That ad takes on things soul-eater ran on last time.CM189191 said:
Falling down,...not staying down0 -
i think it is an effective add, but i question the timing. why say this in the middle of the dem primary? wouldn't this be better used in the campaign directly vs trump once there is a nominee?Kat said:
Good to see Joe fighting back hard. That ad takes on things soul-eater ran on last time.CM189191 said:
biden is forgetting the absolutely short attention span and short memory of the average american voter. a lot can happen in the next 11 months before the general election that will make people forget all about this ad."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
Biden is fighting for his life in the primary, he's got to use everything he has.gimmesometruth27 said:
i think it is an effective add, but i question the timing. why say this in the middle of the dem primary? wouldn't this be better used in the campaign directly vs trump once there is a nominee?Kat said:
Good to see Joe fighting back hard. That ad takes on things soul-eater ran on last time.CM189191 said:
biden is forgetting the absolutely short attention span and short memory of the average american voter. a lot can happen in the next 11 months before the general election that will make people forget all about this ad.0 -
no way...if they haven't yet they never willmickeyrat said:
someone will try assassination....gimmesometruth27 said:
it is pretty pointless to argue. i am gonna just sit back and watch it burn.mrussel1 said:
My point is that the Constitution survived much more stress than this moment in history. I provided examples of those moments. So by your own point, I agree. Secession, Nullification, Habeas, etc, were far more dangerous moments in our country's history. Trump not being convicted by the Senate is despicable, but not fatal. Trump being convicted but refusing to leave, and the no action being taken would be fatal. That's why I think this whole argument is hyperbolic.gimmesometruth27 said:
when did secession and outright open rebellion against the united states and what the president has done- breaching of the emoluments clause/soliciting help from a foreign goverment to win and election, and extorting an ally all become equated? that is apples to oranges. the southern states bolted on their fear of what lincoln would do to infringe on their rights. in this case the president committed crimes. the people agree, and the republicans in government are doing nothing about it. you are comparing two entirely different historical scenarios.mrussel1 said:
Failed and failing are different tenses. It hasn't failed. If Trump isn't removed from office, it still hasn't failed because the process followed the Constitution. I would argue the Republicans have failed in their duties for sure. And a pox on them for it. Until elections are cancelled or the military overtakes the civilian the government, or something like that, it hasn't failed. The Constitution didn't fail when Lincoln suspended the writ of Habeas Corpus and I would argue that was far, far more dangerous to the Republic than the good Senator from Nebraska voting no on the impeachment articles. I'm fully awake, but my eyes have a long historical lens.gimmesometruth27 said:
it is in the process of failing now!! open your eyes. the checks and balances are not fucking checking or balancing.mrussel1 said:
It hasn't failed.gimmesometruth27 said:
the longest running anything eventually fails. it is not hyperbole. it is a fact.mrussel1 said:Please... calling it a failure because it's under stress is total hyperbole. It's the longest running Constitution. That's hardly a failure.
we are nowhere near a civil war here, but if trump walks from this, the country will take a generation to recover.
we all know how this is going to turn out. impeached in the house. not convicted in the senate. trump will use that to claim innocence. he will go to war on the campaign trail vs the democrats, lose the popular vote worse than he did last time, and be elected by the fucking god damned electoral college again. he will then get 2 more supreme court picks.Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt20 -
polls say otherwisedignin said:
Biden is fighting for his life in the primary, he's got to use everything he has.gimmesometruth27 said:
i think it is an effective add, but i question the timing. why say this in the middle of the dem primary? wouldn't this be better used in the campaign directly vs trump once there is a nominee?Kat said:
Good to see Joe fighting back hard. That ad takes on things soul-eater ran on last time.CM189191 said:
biden is forgetting the absolutely short attention span and short memory of the average american voter. a lot can happen in the next 11 months before the general election that will make people forget all about this ad.Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt20 -
Kat said:
Good to see Joe fighting back hard. That ad takes on things soul-eater ran on last time.CM189191 said:dignin said:
Biden is fighting for his life in the primary, he's got to use everything he has.gimmesometruth27 said:
i think it is an effective add, but i question the timing. why say this in the middle of the dem primary? wouldn't this be better used in the campaign directly vs trump once there is a nominee?Kat said:
Good to see Joe fighting back hard. That ad takes on things soul-eater ran on last time.CM189191 said:
biden is forgetting the absolutely short attention span and short memory of the average american voter. a lot can happen in the next 11 months before the general election that will make people forget all about this ad.Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt20 -
love it....I would hammer tRump with as much humiliating stuff as possible. The toilet paper on the shoe, the inability to use an unbrella, his hair nest blowing in the wind, pictures of him looking fat, etc.Kat said:
Good to see Joe fighting back hard. That ad takes on things soul-eater ran on last time.CM189191 said:Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt20 -
Look at the fundraising, it's about the money. He was getting crushed but maybe he's doing better now since he's decided to take big money.Gern Blansten said:
polls say otherwisedignin said:
Biden is fighting for his life in the primary, he's got to use everything he has.gimmesometruth27 said:
i think it is an effective add, but i question the timing. why say this in the middle of the dem primary? wouldn't this be better used in the campaign directly vs trump once there is a nominee?Kat said:
Good to see Joe fighting back hard. That ad takes on things soul-eater ran on last time.CM189191 said:
biden is forgetting the absolutely short attention span and short memory of the average american voter. a lot can happen in the next 11 months before the general election that will make people forget all about this ad.0 -
He can certainly run the ad again during the generals, but I for one am happy to see him use this now. I have questioned whether Joe still had any fight in him. I've loved the ads Bloomberg and Steyer have been running, directly calling out Trump and calling him a fraud and a failure. I'm happy to see Biden join the fray. I think every Dem should be running these kinds of ads. Show us that you have what it takes to go against Trump head-on.gimmesometruth27 said:
i think it is an effective add, but i question the timing. why say this in the middle of the dem primary? wouldn't this be better used in the campaign directly vs trump once there is a nominee?Kat said:
Good to see Joe fighting back hard. That ad takes on things soul-eater ran on last time.CM189191 said:
biden is forgetting the absolutely short attention span and short memory of the average american voter. a lot can happen in the next 11 months before the general election that will make people forget all about this ad."I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/080 -
Was talking a bit about this with a friend recently. We decided the Secret Service is the top organization in our country. There were no close attempts on the first black president or the racist one that followed him. Amazing job. Glad to, that can only make everything worse.Gern Blansten said:
no way...if they haven't yet they never willmickeyrat said:
someone will try assassination....gimmesometruth27 said:
it is pretty pointless to argue. i am gonna just sit back and watch it burn.mrussel1 said:
My point is that the Constitution survived much more stress than this moment in history. I provided examples of those moments. So by your own point, I agree. Secession, Nullification, Habeas, etc, were far more dangerous moments in our country's history. Trump not being convicted by the Senate is despicable, but not fatal. Trump being convicted but refusing to leave, and the no action being taken would be fatal. That's why I think this whole argument is hyperbolic.gimmesometruth27 said:
when did secession and outright open rebellion against the united states and what the president has done- breaching of the emoluments clause/soliciting help from a foreign goverment to win and election, and extorting an ally all become equated? that is apples to oranges. the southern states bolted on their fear of what lincoln would do to infringe on their rights. in this case the president committed crimes. the people agree, and the republicans in government are doing nothing about it. you are comparing two entirely different historical scenarios.mrussel1 said:
Failed and failing are different tenses. It hasn't failed. If Trump isn't removed from office, it still hasn't failed because the process followed the Constitution. I would argue the Republicans have failed in their duties for sure. And a pox on them for it. Until elections are cancelled or the military overtakes the civilian the government, or something like that, it hasn't failed. The Constitution didn't fail when Lincoln suspended the writ of Habeas Corpus and I would argue that was far, far more dangerous to the Republic than the good Senator from Nebraska voting no on the impeachment articles. I'm fully awake, but my eyes have a long historical lens.gimmesometruth27 said:
it is in the process of failing now!! open your eyes. the checks and balances are not fucking checking or balancing.mrussel1 said:
It hasn't failed.gimmesometruth27 said:
the longest running anything eventually fails. it is not hyperbole. it is a fact.mrussel1 said:Please... calling it a failure because it's under stress is total hyperbole. It's the longest running Constitution. That's hardly a failure.
we are nowhere near a civil war here, but if trump walks from this, the country will take a generation to recover.
we all know how this is going to turn out. impeached in the house. not convicted in the senate. trump will use that to claim innocence. he will go to war on the campaign trail vs the democrats, lose the popular vote worse than he did last time, and be elected by the fucking god damned electoral college again. he will then get 2 more supreme court picks.hippiemom = goodness0 -
Shockingly, Trump hasn't politicized them yet.cincybearcat said:
Was talking a bit about this with a friend recently. We decided the Secret Service is the top organization in our country. There were no close attempts on the first black president or the racist one that followed him. Amazing job. Glad to, that can only make everything worse.Gern Blansten said:
no way...if they haven't yet they never willmickeyrat said:
someone will try assassination....gimmesometruth27 said:
it is pretty pointless to argue. i am gonna just sit back and watch it burn.mrussel1 said:
My point is that the Constitution survived much more stress than this moment in history. I provided examples of those moments. So by your own point, I agree. Secession, Nullification, Habeas, etc, were far more dangerous moments in our country's history. Trump not being convicted by the Senate is despicable, but not fatal. Trump being convicted but refusing to leave, and the no action being taken would be fatal. That's why I think this whole argument is hyperbolic.gimmesometruth27 said:
when did secession and outright open rebellion against the united states and what the president has done- breaching of the emoluments clause/soliciting help from a foreign goverment to win and election, and extorting an ally all become equated? that is apples to oranges. the southern states bolted on their fear of what lincoln would do to infringe on their rights. in this case the president committed crimes. the people agree, and the republicans in government are doing nothing about it. you are comparing two entirely different historical scenarios.mrussel1 said:
Failed and failing are different tenses. It hasn't failed. If Trump isn't removed from office, it still hasn't failed because the process followed the Constitution. I would argue the Republicans have failed in their duties for sure. And a pox on them for it. Until elections are cancelled or the military overtakes the civilian the government, or something like that, it hasn't failed. The Constitution didn't fail when Lincoln suspended the writ of Habeas Corpus and I would argue that was far, far more dangerous to the Republic than the good Senator from Nebraska voting no on the impeachment articles. I'm fully awake, but my eyes have a long historical lens.gimmesometruth27 said:
it is in the process of failing now!! open your eyes. the checks and balances are not fucking checking or balancing.mrussel1 said:
It hasn't failed.gimmesometruth27 said:
the longest running anything eventually fails. it is not hyperbole. it is a fact.mrussel1 said:Please... calling it a failure because it's under stress is total hyperbole. It's the longest running Constitution. That's hardly a failure.
we are nowhere near a civil war here, but if trump walks from this, the country will take a generation to recover.
we all know how this is going to turn out. impeached in the house. not convicted in the senate. trump will use that to claim innocence. he will go to war on the campaign trail vs the democrats, lose the popular vote worse than he did last time, and be elected by the fucking god damned electoral college again. he will then get 2 more supreme court picks.0 -
Don't forgot Melania pushing his hand away.Gern Blansten said:
love it....I would hammer tRump with as much humiliating stuff as possible. The toilet paper on the shoe, the inability to use an unbrella, his hair nest blowing in the wind, pictures of him looking fat, etc.Kat said:
Good to see Joe fighting back hard. That ad takes on things soul-eater ran on last time.CM189191 said:0 -
Or sharts alive.stuckinline said:
Don't forgot Melania pushing his hand away.Gern Blansten said:
love it....I would hammer tRump with as much humiliating stuff as possible. The toilet paper on the shoe, the inability to use an unbrella, his hair nest blowing in the wind, pictures of him looking fat, etc.Kat said:
Good to see Joe fighting back hard. That ad takes on things soul-eater ran on last time.CM189191 said:09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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that was photoshopped, was it not?Halifax2TheMax said:
Or sharts alive.stuckinline said:
Don't forgot Melania pushing his hand away.Gern Blansten said:
love it....I would hammer tRump with as much humiliating stuff as possible. The toilet paper on the shoe, the inability to use an unbrella, his hair nest blowing in the wind, pictures of him looking fat, etc.Kat said:
Good to see Joe fighting back hard. That ad takes on things soul-eater ran on last time.CM189191 said:
posting tweets of him complaining about obama's golf, then followed by obama's actual golf numbers next to trump's would also be a good visual.
or any of his "there's a tweet for anything" hypocrisies.Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer0 -
No idea but Team Trump Treason is dependable. To play golf.HughFreakingDillon said:
that was photoshopped, was it not?Halifax2TheMax said:
Or sharts alive.stuckinline said:
Don't forgot Melania pushing his hand away.Gern Blansten said:
love it....I would hammer tRump with as much humiliating stuff as possible. The toilet paper on the shoe, the inability to use an unbrella, his hair nest blowing in the wind, pictures of him looking fat, etc.Kat said:
Good to see Joe fighting back hard. That ad takes on things soul-eater ran on last time.CM189191 said:
posting tweets of him complaining about obama's golf, then followed by obama's actual golf numbers next to trump's would also be a good visual.
or any of his "there's a tweet for anything" hypocrisies.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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