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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    mrussel1 said:
    Please... calling it a failure because it's under stress is total hyperbole.  It's the longest running Constitution.  That's hardly a failure.  
    Depends where you sit. I think a lot of Americans believe it's been a failure, while others would say no.

    And just because something has been around a long time doesn't mean it's great.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,055
    mrussel1 said:
    Please... calling it a failure because it's under stress is total hyperbole.  It's the longest running Constitution.  That's hardly a failure.  
    the longest running anything eventually fails. it is not hyperbole. it is a fact.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,139
    Some valid arguments made here regarding the constitution and it’s continued validity or not.

    https://harpers.org/archive/2019/10/constitution-in-crisis/
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    mrussel1 said:
    Please... calling it a failure because it's under stress is total hyperbole.  It's the longest running Constitution.  That's hardly a failure.  
    no it's not hyperbole at all. it just hasn't been tested all these years. now it is, and it is showing GLARING problems with accountability. trump is showing single handedly that any one man who has power can fucking do whatever he wants. especially if he holds both chambers. and scotus. jesus, it's frightening how easy it seems to corrupt the longest running constitution. 
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,587
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Please... calling it a failure because it's under stress is total hyperbole.  It's the longest running Constitution.  That's hardly a failure.  
    no it's not hyperbole at all. it just hasn't been tested all these years. now it is, and it is showing GLARING problems with accountability. trump is showing single handedly that any one man who has power can fucking do whatever he wants. especially if he holds both chambers. and scotus. jesus, it's frightening how easy it seems to corrupt the longest running constitution. 
    Agreed left unchecked this could be the beginning of the end of Democracy as we know it ..
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Please... calling it a failure because it's under stress is total hyperbole.  It's the longest running Constitution.  That's hardly a failure.  
    no it's not hyperbole at all. it just hasn't been tested all these years. now it is, and it is showing GLARING problems with accountability. trump is showing single handedly that any one man who has power can fucking do whatever he wants. especially if he holds both chambers. and scotus. jesus, it's frightening how easy it seems to corrupt the longest running constitution. 
    Besides, all new democracies base their Constitution of the Canadian version anyways
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Please... calling it a failure because it's under stress is total hyperbole.  It's the longest running Constitution.  That's hardly a failure.  
    the longest running anything eventually fails. it is not hyperbole. it is a fact.
    It hasn't failed.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    dignin said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Please... calling it a failure because it's under stress is total hyperbole.  It's the longest running Constitution.  That's hardly a failure.  
    Depends where you sit. I think a lot of Americans believe it's been a failure, while others would say no.

    And just because something has been around a long time doesn't mean it's great.
    There's something in between failure and great. 
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    edited December 2019
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Please... calling it a failure because it's under stress is total hyperbole.  It's the longest running Constitution.  That's hardly a failure.  
    no it's not hyperbole at all. it just hasn't been tested all these years. now it is, and it is showing GLARING problems with accountability. trump is showing single handedly that any one man who has power can fucking do whatever he wants. especially if he holds both chambers. and scotus. jesus, it's frightening how easy it seems to corrupt the longest running constitution. 
    Some might consider secession a test. And Nullification crisis. And US v Nixon.  
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    CM189191 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Please... calling it a failure because it's under stress is total hyperbole.  It's the longest running Constitution.  That's hardly a failure.  
    no it's not hyperbole at all. it just hasn't been tested all these years. now it is, and it is showing GLARING problems with accountability. trump is showing single handedly that any one man who has power can fucking do whatever he wants. especially if he holds both chambers. and scotus. jesus, it's frightening how easy it seems to corrupt the longest running constitution. 
    Besides, all new democracies base their Constitution of the Canadian version anyways
    ?
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,139
    Yea, but you couldn’t possibly influence the outcome of an election. This country is so fucked.

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/04/tech/facebook-white-vans/index.html
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  • CM189191
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    CM189191 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Please... calling it a failure because it's under stress is total hyperbole.  It's the longest running Constitution.  That's hardly a failure.  
    no it's not hyperbole at all. it just hasn't been tested all these years. now it is, and it is showing GLARING problems with accountability. trump is showing single handedly that any one man who has power can fucking do whatever he wants. especially if he holds both chambers. and scotus. jesus, it's frightening how easy it seems to corrupt the longest running constitution. 
    Besides, all new democracies base their Constitution of the Canadian version anyways
    ?
    Just saying - longest running doesn't necessarily mean the best.  Our Constitution is essentially antiquated and retired but international standards.  Canada's Constitution is the new model.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,139
    CM189191 said:

    “Ignorant,” would be more apt.
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  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    He took his ball and went home early.

  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,139
    Smellyman said:
    He took his ball and went home early.

    Cuz he’s not a playa, yo.
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  • Thoughts_Arrive
    Thoughts_Arrive Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
    I love how he left the NATO summit angry at Trudeau. Crybaby

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  • mickeyrat
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    benjs said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    EdsonNascimento said:
    dignin said:
    cincybearcat said:
    As far as I can tell ... when you lose a historically winnable election because you ignored the facts of the race...and then you complain about the electoral college and 2 senators per state and talk of changing the system and claiming it’s unfair...

    you come across as a butthurt craybaby.

    But of course trump is worse so none of that matters. 
    Yes, people who want a more representational democracy are a bunch of butthurt crybabys.

    It makes perfect sense that a state that has a population of 1 million has the same power in the senate as a state with the population as 40 million.
    Do any of  you understand the concept of American Government? I think you all need a civics beginner level course.  

    Bicameral legislature - one representative (the House), and one equal by State (Senate) to ensure a single state does not have an overwhelming influence. It's a very good check and balance within the legislature. If you make the Senate representative, you might as well abolish it.

    I won't go into the reasons why this is genius (And it has nothing to do with the fact that Republicans control the Senate as that hasn't always been the case).  But, it is.
    the system is a failure.

    we have a president that has committed crimes and we cannot hold him responsible or punish him. we do not have republic or a democracy. we have the beginning of a monarchy.
    I think it's pre-emptive to say that the system is a failure until a failure to remove him from office. What would be fair to say at this point is that the due process established takes too long to deliver accountability. 

    Bear in mind, the reason that this isn't deemed a constitutional crisis at this point is because there is a due process which is being pursued as we speak. That's impeachment followed by the subsequent vote by the Senate. If and when it fails there, then it's a visible failure.
    the system isnt a failure, its the people working in it that are failing......
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  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    EdsonNascimento said:
    dignin said:
    cincybearcat said:
    As far as I can tell ... when you lose a historically winnable election because you ignored the facts of the race...and then you complain about the electoral college and 2 senators per state and talk of changing the system and claiming it’s unfair...

    you come across as a butthurt craybaby.

    But of course trump is worse so none of that matters. 
    Yes, people who want a more representational democracy are a bunch of butthurt crybabys.

    It makes perfect sense that a state that has a population of 1 million has the same power in the senate as a state with the population as 40 million.
    Do any of  you understand the concept of American Government? I think you all need a civics beginner level course.  

    Bicameral legislature - one representative (the House), and one equal by State (Senate) to ensure a single state does not have an overwhelming influence. It's a very good check and balance within the legislature. If you make the Senate representative, you might as well abolish it.

    I won't go into the reasons why this is genius (And it has nothing to do with the fact that Republicans control the Senate as that hasn't always been the case).  But, it is.
    I think the electoral college is a red flag, an indicator or warning sign of bad times to come, but what do I know...  

    You gotta remix that shit eventually.  Almost 29 million people live in TX.  3 million in NM.  the TWO Dakotas have 1.5m between them.
    Nobody else does it this way, and you know what it got us?  This asshole and W.  It should be abandoned immediately.
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  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    and the ERA should be ratified.  Tomorrow.
    Bristow 05132010 to Amsterdam 2 06132018
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