Outrage Culture

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

"Outrage culture" is a buzzword for the comfortable ignorant. 

I mean, it seems to me that it's now being used by people to try and suggest people shouldn't get upset if a horrible accusation of abuse has been made (even by a child). Outrage culture is supposedly a sign that people should always assume a professed abuse victim might be lying until it's proven they aren't, since a very small number of accusations are false, while most are not.

"outrage culture" also describes the people who will now be outraged by the lie told by the child, instead of treating it with some semblance of normality, e.g. a stupid kid did a stupid thing.  Let the parents and school deal with it.  Outrage culture is the ongoing process of our society careening from one controversy to another, from left to right, each side steadily one upping each other in calls for people losing their jobs, livelihoods for the mistake of being a flawed human.  

I don't think hate crimes apply, nor sexual assaults; schools usually handle stuff like that VERY VERY poorly, plus parents and schools are not the police. Sometimes the school and parents 100% should not deal with something, and should never deal with it when a more serious crime is involved, and that includes a violent hate crime, obviously .... But generally I would agree with the careening from controversy to controversy part. I think it would be more apt to call it "media outrage culture" though.

Schools may handle it poorly, but to your point, the social media and twitter handle it even worse.  This issue seems like it was handled appropriately.  Involve the police, let them investigate.  I'm so tired of social media idiots driving the conversation and their unreasonable demands. 
It's annoying as fuck when I see an article on Huffington or someplace that says "Social media lights up with XXX due to YYY" and then the article goes on to post idiotic tweets from six people I've never heard of or mean nothing.  Who gives a fuck what these yahoos think.  Twitter is platform enough, I don't need to read about their posts somewhere else.   

Yes the article I posted had many people up in arms. Turns out the girl was obviously lying. This reminded me of the French actor who was attacked in Chicago (see Dave Chappelle’s sticks and stones) by two people wearing maga hats and all the outrage that followed.  I know it is hard in this day of age but wait until all the facts come in before reacting. 

mcgruff10 said:

Because of the “outrage” that followed the initial story before we found out she lied.  It reminded me of the chapelle bit on the “French” actor in Chicago.  

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

Because of the “outrage” that followed the initial story before we found out she lied.  It reminded me of the chapelle bit on the “French” actor in Chicago.  

Right...... so you think that people shouldn't feel outrage about hate crimes?

Sometimes outrage is totally justified. False accusations is a completely different topic. What if those crimes really had happened? Surely you wouldn't think it was unreasonable if the public was outraged about it?? Or when the public is outraged about all the very real hate crimes happening every day? Outrage culture has nothing to do with justified outrage.

But here was no crime, so like I said the outrage that followed about the school and rich white entitled kids is where I have a problem. 

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

"Outrage culture" is a buzzword for the comfortable ignorant. 

I mean, it seems to me that it's now being used by people to try and suggest people shouldn't get upset if a horrible accusation of abuse has been made (even by a child). Outrage culture is supposedly a sign that people should always assume a professed abuse victim might be lying until it's proven they aren't, since a very small number of accusations are false, while most are not.

"outrage culture" also describes the people who will now be outraged by the lie told by the child, instead of treating it with some semblance of normality, e.g. a stupid kid did a stupid thing.  Let the parents and school deal with it.  Outrage culture is the ongoing process of our society careening from one controversy to another, from left to right, each side steadily one upping each other in calls for people losing their jobs, livelihoods for the mistake of being a flawed human.  

I don't think hate crimes apply, nor sexual assaults; schools usually handle stuff like that VERY VERY poorly, plus parents and schools are not the police. Sometimes the school and parents 100% should not deal with something, and should never deal with it when a more serious crime is involved, and that includes a violent hate crime, obviously .... But generally I would agree with the careening from controversy to controversy part. I think it would be more apt to call it "media outrage culture" though.

Schools may handle it poorly, but to your point, the social media and twitter handle it even worse.  This issue seems like it was handled appropriately.  Involve the police, let them investigate.  I'm so tired of social media idiots driving the conversation and their unreasonable demands. 
It's annoying as fuck when I see an article on Huffington or someplace that says "Social media lights up with XXX due to YYY" and then the article goes on to post idiotic tweets from six people I've never heard of or mean nothing.  Who gives a fuck what these yahoos think.  Twitter is platform enough, I don't need to read about their posts somewhere else.   

Yes the article I posted had many people up in arms. Turns out the girl was obviously lying. This reminded me of the French actor who was attacked in Chicago (see Dave Chappelle’s sticks and stones) by two people wearing maga hats and all the outrage that followed.  I know it is hard in this day of age but wait until all the facts come in before reacting. 

mcgruff10 said:

dignin said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

Because of the “outrage” that followed the initial story before we found out she lied.  It reminded me of the chapelle bit on the “French” actor in Chicago.  

Right...... so you think that people shouldn't feel outrage about hate crimes?

Sometimes outrage is totally justified. False accusations is a completely different topic. What if those crimes really had happened? Surely you wouldn't think it was unreasonable if the public was outraged about it?? Or when the public is outraged about all the very real hate crimes happening every day? Outrage culture has nothing to do with justified outrage.

But here was no crime, so like I said the outrage that followed about the school and rich white entitled kids is where I have a problem. 

Outraged by the outrage.

More like Just tired of the bs on each side. 

dignin said:

mcgruff10 said:

dignin said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

Because of the “outrage” that followed the initial story before we found out she lied.  It reminded me of the chapelle bit on the “French” actor in Chicago.  

Right...... so you think that people shouldn't feel outrage about hate crimes?

Sometimes outrage is totally justified. False accusations is a completely different topic. What if those crimes really had happened? Surely you wouldn't think it was unreasonable if the public was outraged about it?? Or when the public is outraged about all the very real hate crimes happening every day? Outrage culture has nothing to do with justified outrage.

But here was no crime, so like I said the outrage that followed about the school and rich white entitled kids is where I have a problem. 

Outraged by the outrage.

More like Just tired of the bs on each side. 

That's fair.

Twitter and the like are cesspools. I find it best to ignore any articles that reference "Twitter outraged!" 

mcgruff10 said:

oftenreading said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

"Outrage culture" is a buzzword for the comfortable ignorant. 

I mean, it seems to me that it's now being used by people to try and suggest people shouldn't get upset if a horrible accusation of abuse has been made (even by a child). Outrage culture is supposedly a sign that people should always assume a professed abuse victim might be lying until it's proven they aren't, since a very small number of accusations are false, while most are not.

"outrage culture" also describes the people who will now be outraged by the lie told by the child, instead of treating it with some semblance of normality, e.g. a stupid kid did a stupid thing.  Let the parents and school deal with it.  Outrage culture is the ongoing process of our society careening from one controversy to another, from left to right, each side steadily one upping each other in calls for people losing their jobs, livelihoods for the mistake of being a flawed human.  

I don't think hate crimes apply, nor sexual assaults; schools usually handle stuff like that VERY VERY poorly, plus parents and schools are not the police. Sometimes the school and parents 100% should not deal with something, and should never deal with it when a more serious crime is involved, and that includes a violent hate crime, obviously .... But generally I would agree with the careening from controversy to controversy part. I think it would be more apt to call it "media outrage culture" though.

Schools may handle it poorly, but to your point, the social media and twitter handle it even worse.  This issue seems like it was handled appropriately.  Involve the police, let them investigate.  I'm so tired of social media idiots driving the conversation and their unreasonable demands. 
It's annoying as fuck when I see an article on Huffington or someplace that says "Social media lights up with XXX due to YYY" and then the article goes on to post idiotic tweets from six people I've never heard of or mean nothing.  Who gives a fuck what these yahoos think.  Twitter is platform enough, I don't need to read about their posts somewhere else.   

Yes the article I posted had many people up in arms. Turns out the girl was obviously lying. This reminded me of the French actor who was attacked in Chicago (see Dave Chappelle’s sticks and stones) by two people wearing maga hats and all the outrage that followed.  I know it is hard in this day of age but wait until all the facts come in before reacting. 

Why do you say the girl was “obviously lying”? In the end it seems that she was lying, but when you say “obviously lying” it makes it sound like you think it was obvious from the start. It isn’t unknown for black kids to be bullied about their hair, and it was just a few months ago that a black wrestler was forced by a wrestling judge to have his dreadlocks cut off. 

The dreadlock story was in New Jersey and their was definitely two sides to that story. Totally not the same thing. 
When I read the original story I linked I honestly didn’t believe it, something did not sit right with me hence the word “obviously” being used. Kids have a happen to make stuff up on occasion.  

oftenreading said:

mcgruff10 said:

oftenreading said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

"Outrage culture" is a buzzword for the comfortable ignorant. 

I mean, it seems to me that it's now being used by people to try and suggest people shouldn't get upset if a horrible accusation of abuse has been made (even by a child). Outrage culture is supposedly a sign that people should always assume a professed abuse victim might be lying until it's proven they aren't, since a very small number of accusations are false, while most are not.

"outrage culture" also describes the people who will now be outraged by the lie told by the child, instead of treating it with some semblance of normality, e.g. a stupid kid did a stupid thing.  Let the parents and school deal with it.  Outrage culture is the ongoing process of our society careening from one controversy to another, from left to right, each side steadily one upping each other in calls for people losing their jobs, livelihoods for the mistake of being a flawed human.  

I don't think hate crimes apply, nor sexual assaults; schools usually handle stuff like that VERY VERY poorly, plus parents and schools are not the police. Sometimes the school and parents 100% should not deal with something, and should never deal with it when a more serious crime is involved, and that includes a violent hate crime, obviously .... But generally I would agree with the careening from controversy to controversy part. I think it would be more apt to call it "media outrage culture" though.

Schools may handle it poorly, but to your point, the social media and twitter handle it even worse.  This issue seems like it was handled appropriately.  Involve the police, let them investigate.  I'm so tired of social media idiots driving the conversation and their unreasonable demands. 
It's annoying as fuck when I see an article on Huffington or someplace that says "Social media lights up with XXX due to YYY" and then the article goes on to post idiotic tweets from six people I've never heard of or mean nothing.  Who gives a fuck what these yahoos think.  Twitter is platform enough, I don't need to read about their posts somewhere else.   

Yes the article I posted had many people up in arms. Turns out the girl was obviously lying. This reminded me of the French actor who was attacked in Chicago (see Dave Chappelle’s sticks and stones) by two people wearing maga hats and all the outrage that followed.  I know it is hard in this day of age but wait until all the facts come in before reacting. 

Why do you say the girl was “obviously lying”? In the end it seems that she was lying, but when you say “obviously lying” it makes it sound like you think it was obvious from the start. It isn’t unknown for black kids to be bullied about their hair, and it was just a few months ago that a black wrestler was forced by a wrestling judge to have his dreadlocks cut off. 

The dreadlock story was in New Jersey and their was definitely two sides to that story. Totally not the same thing. 
When I read the original story I linked I honestly didn’t believe it, something did not sit right with me hence the word “obviously” being used. Kids have a happen to make stuff up on occasion.  

What specifically did you not believe, and why? Kids sometimes make things up and kids sometimes get bullied and abused. Why would you not believe this kid when you didn’t have evidence either way?