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  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,907
    edited September 2019
    Meltdown99 said:
    The truth hurts.  Navy seals could have found bin laden with minimal loss of life.  If was so damn. important to some of you, why did you not leave your cushy life and join the fight?  Likely not, but sending kids to die in a bullshit war is OK.  At least after Pearl Harbour people left their cushy jobs to join the fight, and those that could not, sacrifice in some way back home.

    While the US was bombing the shit out of 2 countries most of you were leading nice comfortable lives.  None of you's sacrificed much is my bet.  But hey, at least 1 a year you remember...
    Classless post.  This is as clean as I can make my point to you without getting banned
    Post edited by pjhawks on
  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    Meltdown99 said:
    The truth hurts.  Navy seals could have found bin laden with minimal loss of life.  If was so damn. important to some of you, why did you not leave your cushy life and join the fight?  Likely not, but sending kids to die in a bullshit war is OK.  At least after Pearl Harbour people left their cushy jobs to join the fight, and those that could not, sacrifice in some way back home.

    While the US was bombing the shit out of 2 countries most of you were leading nice comfortable lives.  None of you's sacrificed much is my bet.  But hey, at least 1 a year you remember...
    Sadly, it was a blood thirsty time.  You were very unpopular if you were against war or dared speak ill of our dufus president.
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    pjhawks said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    The truth hurts.  Navy seals could have found bin laden with minimal loss of life.  If was so damn. important to some of you, why did you not leave your cushy life and join the fight?  Likely not, but sending kids to die in a bullshit war is OK.  At least after Pearl Harbour people left their cushy jobs to join the fight, and those that could not, sacrifice in some way back home.

    While the US was bombing the shit out of 2 countries most of you were leading nice comfortable lives.  None of you's sacrificed much is my bet.  But hey, at least 1 a year you remember...
    Classless post.  This is as clean as I can make my point to you without getting banned
    Yup.  Personally, I'm thankful for the "save draft" feature.

    mace, right on.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    Bay of Pigs
    JFK
    RFK
    MLK
    Vietnam
    Love Canal
    Space Shuttle Challenger
    Exxon Valdez
    Chernobyl
    Bhopal
    Kuwaiti Oil Fires
    Irag
    Afghanistan
    9/11
    Deepwater Horizon
    Fukushima

    I remember them all, each as horrible in their own way.



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  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    brianlux said:
    Bay of Pigs
    JFK
    RFK
    MLK
    Vietnam
    Love Canal
    Space Shuttle Challenger
    Exxon Valdez
    Chernobyl
    Bhopal
    Kuwaiti Oil Fires
    Irag
    Afghanistan
    9/11
    Deepwater Horizon
    Fukushima

    I remember them all, each as horrible in their own way.



    November 8, 2016
  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,807
    pjhawks said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    The truth hurts.  Navy seals could have found bin laden with minimal loss of life.  If was so damn. important to some of you, why did you not leave your cushy life and join the fight?  Likely not, but sending kids to die in a bullshit war is OK.  At least after Pearl Harbour people left their cushy jobs to join the fight, and those that could not, sacrifice in some way back home.

    While the US was bombing the shit out of 2 countries most of you were leading nice comfortable lives.  None of you's sacrificed much is my bet.  But hey, at least 1 a year you remember...
    Classless post.  This is as clean as I can make my point to you without getting banned
    Just what we should expect from this person.  

    Not a good person - this is yet another thread where this is made obvious.
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,458
    Remember that day very vividly.
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  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,367
    Meltdown99 said:
    The truth hurts.  Navy seals could have found bin laden with minimal loss of life.  If was so damn. important to some of you, why did you not leave your cushy life and join the fight?  Likely not, but sending kids to die in a bullshit war is OK.  At least after Pearl Harbour people left their cushy jobs to join the fight, and those that could not, sacrifice in some way back home.

    While the US was bombing the shit out of 2 countries most of you were leading nice comfortable lives.  None of you's sacrificed much is my bet.  But hey, at least 1 a year you remember...
    Is it too hard for you to show some respect on a thread about 9/11 at least? The people who died had no control over what happened after, and they’re the ones this thread is about. Amazing to me that a person who was alive and on this continent on that day could show such insensitivity.

    Maybe start another thread and spew your angry and apathetic monologues there next time.
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  • Thoughts_Arrive
    Thoughts_Arrive Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
    18 years ago, where did time go?
    Makes me feel old being a mature age university student surrounded by students who don't remember that day as they were too young.

    I'll never forget. I was in year 11 at high school but home that day because I had a cold. I was lying in bed in the morning and all I could hear coming from the television in the living room was "America under attack".
    I was thinking and imagining some foreign military has started bombing America.
    I got out of bed to investigate and thought it was a movie on the television. Truly horrifying.

    Boy how I miss those days before 9/11.

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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,451
    edited September 2019
    Meltdown99 said:
    The truth hurts.  Navy seals could have found bin laden with minimal loss of life.  If was so damn. important to some of you, why did you not leave your cushy life and join the fight?  Likely not, but sending kids to die in a bullshit war is OK.  At least after Pearl Harbour people left their cushy jobs to join the fight, and those that could not, sacrifice in some way back home.

    While the US was bombing the shit out of 2 countries most of you were leading nice comfortable lives.  None of you's sacrificed much is my bet.  But hey, at least 1 a year you remember...
    this is disgusting. this about remembering the fallen, not a political discussion of what came after. we or most are all well aware of the injustices that happened as a result of this day, but this is the not the place for this bullshit. 

    jesus, dude, you ramble on and on complaining about the toxicity of the internet like you're some kind of fucking victim. look in the mirror, dude. 
    Post edited by HughFreakingDillon on
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,451
    wife and I were chatting about this morning in the car on the way to work and dropping the kids off at school. She was talking about a well known local radio dj who was talking about it, and he started to openly weep on air remembering it. 

    my oldest daughter said "wait, yesterday was 9/11?". I was VERY disappointed in their teachers. 
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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,824
    My wife and I watched 2 documentaries on HBO about it. Both only about 30 minutes long and were pretty good. But I really liked one of them, I forget the name, but they mostly interview young kids and talk about what it means to them and show how they are learning about it. Unfortunately a lot of kids 12 or 13 and younger don't really grasp or understand what happened. It is pretty sad.

    The other one was good too, it interview about 8 or so kids from a high school just a few blocks away and talked about their experiences. It is getting some backlash for not talking about the health problems walking to school every day for a year while the pile of debris was still smoldering and putting off toxic fumes, especially since one of those interviewed died  from cancer a few months after filming 
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    I think it's completely normal and expected that young kids wouldn't grasp what happened and what it means, and in fact in some ways it's a good thing. I don't believe we need to work hard to burden young kids with the enormity of such loss and all the consequences, both to the US and the rest of the world. We can certainly teach it, but they will never have the emotional connection that those who lived through it had, because that's unrealistic. 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,451
    oftenreading said:
    I think it's completely normal and expected that young kids wouldn't grasp what happened and what it means, and in fact in some ways it's a good thing. I don't believe we need to work hard to burden young kids with the enormity of such loss and all the consequences, both to the US and the rest of the world. We can certainly teach it, but they will never have the emotional connection that those who lived through it had, because that's unrealistic. 
    I'm not expecting them to have the same emotional attachment we do, as I didn't have it with any of the other global catastrophes that I wasn't around for. But I thought they'd teach it, especially with how it ties in with the how it affects a TON of our current socio-political climate and discussion. Especially with how many refugees our school takes in. it's really quite relevant. I would expect at least my daughter's grade 8 class to discuss it, maybe not my daughter's grade 5 class. 
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  • Thoughts_Arrive
    Thoughts_Arrive Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
    mace1229 said:
    My wife and I watched 2 documentaries on HBO about it. Both only about 30 minutes long and were pretty good. But I really liked one of them, I forget the name, but they mostly interview young kids and talk about what it means to them and show how they are learning about it. Unfortunately a lot of kids 12 or 13 and younger don't really grasp or understand what happened. It is pretty sad.

    The other one was good too, it interview about 8 or so kids from a high school just a few blocks away and talked about their experiences. It is getting some backlash for not talking about the health problems walking to school every day for a year while the pile of debris was still smoldering and putting off toxic fumes, especially since one of those interviewed died  from cancer a few months after filming 
    They aired a couple of documentaries here to mark the anniversary.
    One of those was 102 Minutes That Changed America. A very disturbing documentary.



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  • HesCalledDyer
    HesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,491
    Meltdown99 said:
    I wonder if Iraq and Afghanistan have a day where they can mourn the millions killed by the US following 9/11.  You can knock off the "woe is me" anytime...what America did post 9/11 was disgusting.
    We know you hate the United States.  We get it.  But can you find one instance, ever, that you could just be supportive of ANYONE other than yourself?  Because this isn't the fucking time nor place.  You're like a damn hockey ref, always calling the retaliation, but never the instigator.
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    oftenreading said:
    I think it's completely normal and expected that young kids wouldn't grasp what happened and what it means, and in fact in some ways it's a good thing. I don't believe we need to work hard to burden young kids with the enormity of such loss and all the consequences, both to the US and the rest of the world. We can certainly teach it, but they will never have the emotional connection that those who lived through it had, because that's unrealistic. 
    I'm not expecting them to have the same emotional attachment we do, as I didn't have it with any of the other global catastrophes that I wasn't around for. But I thought they'd teach it, especially with how it ties in with the how it affects a TON of our current socio-political climate and discussion. Especially with how many refugees our school takes in. it's really quite relevant. I would expect at least my daughter's grade 8 class to discuss it, maybe not my daughter's grade 5 class. 

    Well, sure, I agree we should teach it. It wasn't really your post I was referring to. 
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,111
    I've had so many stories related to 9/11 over the years (Lots of people in our town commute to NYC).  Yesterday I was teaching 9/11 to my 6th grade class and I always open with does anybody have any personal stories, what do you know about the day, etc.  We go around the room for about ten minutes then all of a sudden I look over and one of my students is crying.  I say to her, you ok, what's wrong, did you personal connection to this day? etc.  She said her dad and uncle worked on the computer systems on the 92nd floor of  the South Tower.  For some reason they decided to call out that day.  She cried out, what if they hadn't called out?  I wouldn't have been here!
    My eyes started to fill up.  So many crazy stories from that day.
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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,824
    Thoughts_Arrive said:
    mace1229 said:
    My wife and I watched 2 documentaries on HBO about it. Both only about 30 minutes long and were pretty good. But I really liked one of them, I forget the name, but they mostly interview young kids and talk about what it means to them and show how they are learning about it. Unfortunately a lot of kids 12 or 13 and younger don't really grasp or understand what happened. It is pretty sad.

    The other one was good too, it interview about 8 or so kids from a high school just a few blocks away and talked about their experiences. It is getting some backlash for not talking about the health problems walking to school every day for a year while the pile of debris was still smoldering and putting off toxic fumes, especially since one of those interviewed died  from cancer a few months after filming 
    They aired a couple of documentaries here to mark the anniversary.
    One of those was 102 Minutes That Changed America. A very disturbing documentary.



    I usually watch a few documentaries. Most are several years old by now. I've seen that 102 minutes one. All are sad. Don't think I've watched one that wasn't worth watching. But the 2 I mentioned on HBO had a different take on it. One being watching kids learn about it, the other strictly focused on high school kids from a school just a couple blocks away.

    I enjoy the ones that follow survivors and what they went through. Some of the ones who just focus on the death are sometimes too sad for me.

    I started another new one on History Channel, that was about what Air Force One was doing. Am about halfway through it, but its pretty interesting so far. It shows how poor the communication was from the White House, to NORAD and other high military. They were all confused and just confused each other more.
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,111
    mace1229 said:
    Thoughts_Arrive said:
    mace1229 said:
    My wife and I watched 2 documentaries on HBO about it. Both only about 30 minutes long and were pretty good. But I really liked one of them, I forget the name, but they mostly interview young kids and talk about what it means to them and show how they are learning about it. Unfortunately a lot of kids 12 or 13 and younger don't really grasp or understand what happened. It is pretty sad.

    The other one was good too, it interview about 8 or so kids from a high school just a few blocks away and talked about their experiences. It is getting some backlash for not talking about the health problems walking to school every day for a year while the pile of debris was still smoldering and putting off toxic fumes, especially since one of those interviewed died  from cancer a few months after filming 
    They aired a couple of documentaries here to mark the anniversary.
    One of those was 102 Minutes That Changed America. A very disturbing documentary.



    I usually watch a few documentaries. Most are several years old by now. I've seen that 102 minutes one. All are sad. Don't think I've watched one that wasn't worth watching. But the 2 I mentioned on HBO had a different take on it. One being watching kids learn about it, the other strictly focused on high school kids from a school just a couple blocks away.

    I enjoy the ones that follow survivors and what they went through. Some of the ones who just focus on the death are sometimes too sad for me.

    I started another new one on History Channel, that was about what Air Force One was doing. Am about halfway through it, but its pretty interesting so far. It shows how poor the communication was from the White House, to NORAD and other high military. They were all confused and just confused each other more.
    I showed this 12 minute doc yesterday.  My main emphasis was on such a terrible day people came together and helped each other out without question.  Tom Hanks narrates.  
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDOrzF7B2Kg&fbclid=IwAR2ZDQqIhIdTDnZ0IPTf4l7m-dgXmOmwGpkDE5olPQnZ4xLoPE9_F7Fj3XA
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