Eating Less Meat Helps Protect the Planet From Climate Change

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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,370
    you've convinced me. I will now look for the 12 oz steak instead of the 16oz or more when at a restaurant. Same goes for the grocers....
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  • dankind
    dankind Posts: 20,841
    mickeyrat said:
    you've convinced me. I will now look for the 12 oz steak instead of the 16oz or more when at a restaurant. Same goes for the grocers....

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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    Another way to reduce your meat consumption is to use these instead of your regular silverware:

    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    We are 7 out of 10 days no meat!  Woot!
    That's our best run so far.  It's a little difficult, if I'm being honest.  
    And also, as I mentioned before, I am skeptical about the amount of vegetation involved and the planetary impact.
    I think that comes from my gardening.  It takes so much effort to raise plants up by hand and the thought of growing enough to live on is staggering.  The sheer number of beans it would take to sustain decent protein levels...
    I guess what bothers me is that your typical stereotypically smug vegan who judges people for not knowing the true story behind their meat has no fucking clue how much work goes into their produce, and how many fucking thousands of acres of beans they eat lol
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  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    The OP of this thread has no problem insulting meat-eaters.  They have done that on many occasions here.  And why do vegans need to tell people they are vegan?  I do not go around advertising I like meat.  My guess vegans who need to tell people they are vegans are just trying to come across as better than others...
    Why should I have a problem insulting "meat-eaters"? You choose to support the slaughter of other living beings when you're out for lunch instead of picking the vegetarian/vegan option and with that not supporting that slaughter. The lack of empathy is apparent enough to warrant insult. It's disgusting.

    And who are these vegans you are talking about that "need to tell people they are vegan"? Or is this just a stereotype you have built up in your angry little head?

    (by the way, vegans are better than you in regards to this topic. Whether they tell you they are vegan or not <3 )
    You are the poster child for how not to promote a meatless lifestyle. Congrats. BTW, I had 2 racks of ribs in the smoker Sunday for 6 hours. They were fantastic. I don't believe I could have had the same level of satisfaction chewing on kale. But keep it up. Your compelling post above almost had me convinced that your way is the righteous way.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    so do vegans think that other carnivorous/omnivorous animals are assholes?

    plants actually feel sensations too. we don't know if they feel pain. but we don't know that they don't.

    so maybe vegans should switch to an all-tofu diet until then. 
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  • dankind
    dankind Posts: 20,841
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    so do vegans think that other carnivorous/omnivorous animals are assholes?

    plants actually feel sensations too. we don't know if they feel pain. but we don't know that they don't.

    so maybe vegans should switch to an all-tofu diet until then. 
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  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,769
      HughFreakingDillon said:
    so do vegans think that other carnivorous/omnivorous animals are assholes?

    plants actually feel sensations too. we don't know if they feel pain. but we don't know that they don't.

    so maybe vegans should switch to an all-tofu diet until then. 
    :D
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    so do vegans think that other carnivorous/omnivorous animals are assholes?

    plants actually feel sensations too. we don't know if they feel pain. but we don't know that they don't.

    so maybe vegans should switch to an all-tofu diet until then. 
    Tofu is made from soy beans and believe me, soy beans are very radical.  Have you never seen those "Soy Beans of the World, Unite!" placards?
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,370
    brianlux said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    so do vegans think that other carnivorous/omnivorous animals are assholes?

    plants actually feel sensations too. we don't know if they feel pain. but we don't know that they don't.

    so maybe vegans should switch to an all-tofu diet until then. 
    Tofu is made from soy beans and believe me, soy beans are very radical.  Have you never seen those "Soy Beans of the World, Unite!" placards?
    and the scale required means asn awful lot of wild animals get killed during harvest
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,113
    Interesting:

    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    It is interesting. I agree with the main premise of this post, that going with the beyond meat is better for the environment, but certainly not better for health. That is straight up processed food. Massive amount of sodium, more fat, less protein, etc... and contains stuff not found in my kitchen.

    Interesting also that the CEO of Whole Foods has chimed in since Whole Foods was Beyond's big start:
    Whole Foods CEO on plant-based meat boom: Good for the environment but not for your health
    According to the article, here are the environmental benefits:
    According to a study commissioned by Beyond Meat with the Center for Sustainable Systems at the University of Michigan, a plant-based burger generates 90% less greenhouse gas emissions, requires 45% less energy, has 99% less impact on water scarcity, and 93% less impact on land use than a ¼ pound of traditional U.S. beef.

    Those are significant numbers. But I'm just not particularly interested in massively processed foods these days. I enjoy cooking with real ingredients and rarely make anything from a box, can or jar anymore. I don't mind the Beyond Burger, but certainly wouldn't make it a regular part of my diet.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    mickeyrat said:
    brianlux said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    so do vegans think that other carnivorous/omnivorous animals are assholes?

    plants actually feel sensations too. we don't know if they feel pain. but we don't know that they don't.

    so maybe vegans should switch to an all-tofu diet until then. 
    Tofu is made from soy beans and believe me, soy beans are very radical.  Have you never seen those "Soy Beans of the World, Unite!" placards?
    and the scale required means asn awful lot of wild animals get killed during harvest
    I didn't know soy bean have scale.  We had a house plant that did.  It finally had to go in the compost.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    mcgruff10 said:
    Interesting:

    Yeast extract.  :anguished:
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,370
    brianlux said:
    mickeyrat said:
    brianlux said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    so do vegans think that other carnivorous/omnivorous animals are assholes?

    plants actually feel sensations too. we don't know if they feel pain. but we don't know that they don't.

    so maybe vegans should switch to an all-tofu diet until then. 
    Tofu is made from soy beans and believe me, soy beans are very radical.  Have you never seen those "Soy Beans of the World, Unite!" placards?
    and the scale required means asn awful lot of wild animals get killed during harvest
    I didn't know soy bean have scale.  We had a house plant that did.  It finally had to go in the compost.
    by scale I meant the necessary volume required.....
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    mickeyrat said:
    brianlux said:
    mickeyrat said:
    brianlux said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    so do vegans think that other carnivorous/omnivorous animals are assholes?

    plants actually feel sensations too. we don't know if they feel pain. but we don't know that they don't.

    so maybe vegans should switch to an all-tofu diet until then. 
    Tofu is made from soy beans and believe me, soy beans are very radical.  Have you never seen those "Soy Beans of the World, Unite!" placards?
    and the scale required means asn awful lot of wild animals get killed during harvest
    I didn't know soy bean have scale.  We had a house plant that did.  It finally had to go in the compost.
    by scale I meant the necessary volume required.....
    Ahh, I see.  Of course, no matter what we eat, with 7.7 billion of us, the outlook for other life is not so good. But as always, nature bats last.

    On the subject of tofu and all things soy, I've read that it not good for men to eat a lot of soy beans and related products.  Something to do with chemical imbalances or hormones.  I'll have to look that up again.
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    mcgruff10 said:
    Interesting:

    Yuck to the Beyond preservative patty
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    PJPOWER said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Interesting:

    Yuck to the Beyond preservative patty

    It doesn't actually have any preservatives in it, unless you are calling vinegar (acetic acid) a preservative. 

    I am suspicious of the comparison with 96% lean ground beef, since burgers aren't made with 96% lean ground beef as they turn out too dry. A more realistic comparison with the beef used in hamburgers (typically 80%) would give roughly equivalent amounts of fat.

    I don't have a problem with any of the ingredients listed above, but I'm curious about the fact that those are not the ingredients listed on the the Beyond Burger website. Here are the listed ingredients:

    Water, Pea Protein Isolate*, Expeller-Pressed Canola Oil, Refined Coconut Oil, Rice Protein, Natural Flavors, Cocoa Butter, Mung Bean Protein, Methylcellulose, Potato Starch, Apple Extract, Salt, Potassium Chloride, Vinegar, Lemon Juice Concentrate, Sunflower Lecithin, Pomegranate Fruit Powder, Beet Juice Extract (for color)

    I don't have a problem with any of them, either.

    Shocking to think that a pro-beef marketing organization would present biased information about a meat alternative. 
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    jeffbr said:
    It is interesting. I agree with the main premise of this post, that going with the beyond meat is better for the environment, but certainly not better for health. That is straight up processed food. Massive amount of sodium, more fat, less protein, etc... and contains stuff not found in my kitchen.

    Interesting also that the CEO of Whole Foods has chimed in since Whole Foods was Beyond's big start:
    Whole Foods CEO on plant-based meat boom: Good for the environment but not for your health
    According to the article, here are the environmental benefits:
    According to a study commissioned by Beyond Meat with the Center for Sustainable Systems at the University of Michigan, a plant-based burger generates 90% less greenhouse gas emissions, requires 45% less energy, has 99% less impact on water scarcity, and 93% less impact on land use than a ¼ pound of traditional U.S. beef.

    Those are significant numbers. But I'm just not particularly interested in massively processed foods these days. I enjoy cooking with real ingredients and rarely make anything from a box, can or jar anymore. I don't mind the Beyond Burger, but certainly wouldn't make it a regular part of my diet.

    I agree that it's probably not meant to be a regular part of anyone's diet, just like beef burgers shouldn't be a regular part of anyone's diet. 
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Sodium is a preservative...

    and those beyond burgers are nasty looking.  Can I pay for a beyond meat product with beyond money?


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