Eating Less Meat Helps Protect the Planet From Climate Change

Spiritual_Chaos

By dramatically changing the food we eat as well as the way it is grown and produced, humans can help stop the devastating impacts of climate change according to the latest report by the United Nations body on climate science.

More than 100 scientists from 52 countries put together the report, which was published by the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. It takes a look at how land-use practices have impacted the planet and finds that deforestation, agriculture and other human activities threaten the world’s ability to limit the global temperature increase to 1.5 degrees celsius, the goal of the 2015 Paris climate agreement.

However, the report is not all bad news and finds that if more of the world’s population shifts toward plant-based diets and reduces their meat consumption, it could significantly boost the planet’s ability to fight climate change.

https://time.com/5648082/un-climate-report-less-meat/

brianlux

I agree.  Eating lower on the food chain (especially since there are 7.7 billion of us) is good for the planet that sustains us. 

Meltdown99

I like to think livestock know how delicious they are... 

g under p

Well I gave up eating chicken a month ago and it will continue until the Trump Presidency comes to an end. I'll probably continue it after his presidency as well especially since we probably will be battling a recession of epic proportions.

Peace

Spiritual_Chaos

Meltdown99 said:

I like to think livestock know how delicious they are... 

I like to think how Ontario isn't completely broken and that the government is something you can trust...

tempo_n_groove

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Meltdown99 said:

I like to think livestock know how delicious they are... 

I like to think how Ontario isn't completely broken and that the government is something you can trust...

Relax and have a Porter House.

Meltdown99

Fight climate change by eating meat, Ottawa farmers say

https://www.cbc.ca/1.5244343?fbclid=IwAR12FtvmGLgiZtEoY8aYFSlHpOmzMe14AEZdoE8UkhK6l1Dn_swH3rihioM

PJPOWER

My family and most in my neck of the woods use regenerative ranching practices, so I’m going to eat a steak that my family raised tonight and not feel guilty about it in the least:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/neilyeoh/2018/04/14/going-vegan-eating-sustainable-beef-can-be-good-for-the-environment/

brianlux

It's always interesting to me when someone makes a true statement like "Eating less meat helps protect the planet from climate change", and then other people get on the post and start talking about how much they like meat.  Well yeah, OK fine, but what does that have to do with the fact presented in the statement? 

PJPOWER said:

My family and most in my neck of the woods use regenerative ranching practices, so I’m going to eat a steak that my family raised tonight and not feel guilty about it in the least:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/neilyeoh/2018/04/14/going-vegan-eating-sustainable-beef-can-be-good-for-the-environment/

I eat meat rarely but when I do, that is what I look for as well.  But the fact remains, eating less meat/ eating lower on the food chain is better for the planet.  If 7.7 billion people ate beef every day, no way would that be sustainable.

PJPOWER

brianlux said:

It's always interesting to me when someone makes a true statement like "Eating less meat helps protect the planet from climate change", and then other people get on the post and start talking about how much they like meat.  Well yeah, OK fine, but what does that have to do with the fact presented in the statement? 

PJPOWER said:

My family and most in my neck of the woods use regenerative ranching practices, so I’m going to eat a steak that my family raised tonight and not feel guilty about it in the least:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/neilyeoh/2018/04/14/going-vegan-eating-sustainable-beef-can-be-good-for-the-environment/

I eat meat rarely but when I do, that is what I look for as well.  But the fact remains, eating less meat/ eating lower on the food chain is better for the planet.  If 7.7 billion people ate beef every day, no way would that be sustainable.

Okay, I agree, people should only eat meat from sustainable sources, not from Wal Mart’s corporate farms.  If 7.7 people ate bananas every day, no way that would be sustainable either.

brianlux

PJPOWER said:

brianlux said:

It's always interesting to me when someone makes a true statement like "Eating less meat helps protect the planet from climate change", and then other people get on the post and start talking about how much they like meat.  Well yeah, OK fine, but what does that have to do with the fact presented in the statement? 

PJPOWER said:

My family and most in my neck of the woods use regenerative ranching practices, so I’m going to eat a steak that my family raised tonight and not feel guilty about it in the least:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/neilyeoh/2018/04/14/going-vegan-eating-sustainable-beef-can-be-good-for-the-environment/

I eat meat rarely but when I do, that is what I look for as well.  But the fact remains, eating less meat/ eating lower on the food chain is better for the planet.  If 7.7 billion people ate beef every day, no way would that be sustainable.

Okay, I agree, people should only eat meat from sustainable sources, not from Wal Mart’s corporate farms.  If 7.7 people ate bananas every day, no way that would be sustainable either.

That is all very true but does not change the truth of the OP's thread.  Do you disagree with this:

Eating Less Meat Helps Protect the Planet From Climate Change     

?

eddiec

brianlux said:

It's always interesting to me when someone makes a true statement like "Eating less meat helps protect the planet from climate change", and then other people get on the post and start talking about how much they like meat.  Well yeah, OK fine, but what does that have to do with the fact presented in the statement?  

It's the classic case of not seeing it, so it can't be happening. The beef industry is responsible for massive deforestation. There is money in beef, so forests are cleared for grazing. You know more about it than I do, so need for me to go on. I guess Spiritual comes on strong at times, so people want to take jabs at him even when he is preaching a positive message.

brianlux

eddiec said:

brianlux said:

It's always interesting to me when someone makes a true statement like "Eating less meat helps protect the planet from climate change", and then other people get on the post and start talking about how much they like meat.  Well yeah, OK fine, but what does that have to do with the fact presented in the statement?  

It's the classic case of not seeing it, so it can't be happening. The beef industry is responsible for massive deforestation. There is money in beef, so forests are cleared for grazing. You know more about it than I do, so need for me to go on. I guess Spiritual comes on strong at times, so people want to take jabs at him even when he is preaching a positive message.

Yeah, it's sad, especially what's happened in Amazon that way.  Only a small percentage of people have the luxury of eating grass fed "sustainable" beef.  There have been some efforts in Brazil to move toward more responsible cattle grazing, and that is good news.  But the fact remains, less meat is better for the planet.  And that's not about you and me or S_C or anyone else being right or not, I just don't believe it is possible to refute that as fact.

oftenreading

brianlux said:

eddiec said:

brianlux said:

It's always interesting to me when someone makes a true statement like "Eating less meat helps protect the planet from climate change", and then other people get on the post and start talking about how much they like meat.  Well yeah, OK fine, but what does that have to do with the fact presented in the statement?  

It's the classic case of not seeing it, so it can't be happening. The beef industry is responsible for massive deforestation. There is money in beef, so forests are cleared for grazing. You know more about it than I do, so need for me to go on. I guess Spiritual comes on strong at times, so people want to take jabs at him even when he is preaching a positive message.

Yeah, it's sad, especially what's happened in Amazon that way.  Only a small percentage of people have the luxury of eating grass fed "sustainable" beef.  There have been some efforts in Brazil to move toward more responsible cattle grazing, and that is good news.  But the fact remains, less meat is better for the planet.  And that's not about you my and me or S_C or anyone else being right or not, I just don't believe it is possible to refute that as fact.

It’s particularly bad in Brazil. Bolsonaro is actively opposed to the rights of the indigenous people and is allowing his government to ignore or even overturn legislation that protects their land, which then allows massive cattle ranching operations to just clearcut and then move their cattle in. 

And much of that beef goes to the US. 

PJPOWER

brianlux said:

PJPOWER said:

brianlux said:

It's always interesting to me when someone makes a true statement like "Eating less meat helps protect the planet from climate change", and then other people get on the post and start talking about how much they like meat.  Well yeah, OK fine, but what does that have to do with the fact presented in the statement? 

PJPOWER said:

My family and most in my neck of the woods use regenerative ranching practices, so I’m going to eat a steak that my family raised tonight and not feel guilty about it in the least:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/neilyeoh/2018/04/14/going-vegan-eating-sustainable-beef-can-be-good-for-the-environment/

I eat meat rarely but when I do, that is what I look for as well.  But the fact remains, eating less meat/ eating lower on the food chain is better for the planet.  If 7.7 billion people ate beef every day, no way would that be sustainable.

Okay, I agree, people should only eat meat from sustainable sources, not from Wal Mart’s corporate farms.  If 7.7 people ate bananas every day, no way that would be sustainable either.

That is all very true but does not change the truth of the OP's thread.  Do you disagree with this:

Eating Less Meat Helps Protect the Planet From Climate Change     

?

On the global scale, yes, corporate ranching practices are lacking.  But for those that hunt or are small ranchers...I got “no beef”

brianlux

oftenreading said:

brianlux said:

eddiec said:

brianlux said:

It's always interesting to me when someone makes a true statement like "Eating less meat helps protect the planet from climate change", and then other people get on the post and start talking about how much they like meat.  Well yeah, OK fine, but what does that have to do with the fact presented in the statement?  

It's the classic case of not seeing it, so it can't be happening. The beef industry is responsible for massive deforestation. There is money in beef, so forests are cleared for grazing. You know more about it than I do, so need for me to go on. I guess Spiritual comes on strong at times, so people want to take jabs at him even when he is preaching a positive message.

Yeah, it's sad, especially what's happened in Amazon that way.  Only a small percentage of people have the luxury of eating grass fed "sustainable" beef.  There have been some efforts in Brazil to move toward more responsible cattle grazing, and that is good news.  But the fact remains, less meat is better for the planet.  And that's not about you my and me or S_C or anyone else being right or not, I just don't believe it is possible to refute that as fact.

It’s particularly bad in Brazil. Bolsonaro is actively opposed to the rights of the indigenous people and is allowing his government to ignore or even overturn legislation that protects their land, which then allows massive cattle ranching operations to just clearcut and then move their cattle in. 

And much of that beef goes to the US. 

For sure.  And that's been going on for a long time.  B Traven revealed a lot of the early abuses in his "Government" (also known as "Jungle") novels written in the late 1920's and early '30's.

PJPOWER said:

brianlux said:

PJPOWER said:

brianlux said:

It's always interesting to me when someone makes a true statement like "Eating less meat helps protect the planet from climate change", and then other people get on the post and start talking about how much they like meat.  Well yeah, OK fine, but what does that have to do with the fact presented in the statement? 

PJPOWER said:

My family and most in my neck of the woods use regenerative ranching practices, so I’m going to eat a steak that my family raised tonight and not feel guilty about it in the least:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/neilyeoh/2018/04/14/going-vegan-eating-sustainable-beef-can-be-good-for-the-environment/

I eat meat rarely but when I do, that is what I look for as well.  But the fact remains, eating less meat/ eating lower on the food chain is better for the planet.  If 7.7 billion people ate beef every day, no way would that be sustainable.

Okay, I agree, people should only eat meat from sustainable sources, not from Wal Mart’s corporate farms.  If 7.7 people ate bananas every day, no way that would be sustainable either.

That is all very true but does not change the truth of the OP's thread.  Do you disagree with this:

Eating Less Meat Helps Protect the Planet From Climate Change     

?

On the global scale, yes, corporate ranching practices are lacking.  But for those that hunt or are small ranchers...I got “no beef”

Yeah but, again, it's the corporate ranching that is by far most predominant world wide and there is not enough open space or wildlife to feed 7.7 billion people as you suggest.   Hunting and small ranch meat is not going to feed that many people.  Those are first world wealthy luxuries.  We are talking about a global situation here.

Smellyman

brianlux said:

It's always interesting to me when someone makes a true statement like "Eating less meat helps protect the planet from climate change", and then other people get on the post and start talking about how much they like meat.  Well yeah, OK fine, but what does that have to do with the fact presented in the statement? 

PJPOWER said:

My family and most in my neck of the woods use regenerative ranching practices, so I’m going to eat a steak that my family raised tonight and not feel guilty about it in the least:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/neilyeoh/2018/04/14/going-vegan-eating-sustainable-beef-can-be-good-for-the-environment/

I eat meat rarely but when I do, that is what I look for as well.  But the fact remains, eating less meat/ eating lower on the food chain is better for the planet.  If 7.7 billion people ate beef every day, no way would that be sustainable.

Because people are dicks.

I am vegan, but never mention I am to people anymore because invariably they start saying 'I am going to eat a burger, love dead cow.  Or bacon give me some pig. hahaha yum yum yum.'

brianlux

Smellyman said:

brianlux said:

It's always interesting to me when someone makes a true statement like "Eating less meat helps protect the planet from climate change", and then other people get on the post and start talking about how much they like meat.  Well yeah, OK fine, but what does that have to do with the fact presented in the statement? 

PJPOWER said:

My family and most in my neck of the woods use regenerative ranching practices, so I’m going to eat a steak that my family raised tonight and not feel guilty about it in the least:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/neilyeoh/2018/04/14/going-vegan-eating-sustainable-beef-can-be-good-for-the-environment/

I eat meat rarely but when I do, that is what I look for as well.  But the fact remains, eating less meat/ eating lower on the food chain is better for the planet.  If 7.7 billion people ate beef every day, no way would that be sustainable.

Because people are dicks.

I am vegan, but never mention I am to people anymore because invariably they start saying 'I am going to eat a burger, love dead cow.  Or bacon give me some pig. hahaha yum yum yum.'

I always find that kind of response super irritating and I really have to restrain myself from lashing back.  I'll often use that kind of snarky response as motivation to eat more vegetarian and vegan meals.  Eating well and low on the food chain is the best revenge!

Glorified KC

I’ve gone vegan for a short while and I liked it.  It was the best I’ve felt in a while.  It’s also nice that a city like Milwaukee (if you can believe it) has a ton of vegan options.  I’m in one of the city cafes having a piece of vegan pie.

HughFreakingDillon

Smellyman said:

brianlux said:

It's always interesting to me when someone makes a true statement like "Eating less meat helps protect the planet from climate change", and then other people get on the post and start talking about how much they like meat.  Well yeah, OK fine, but what does that have to do with the fact presented in the statement? 

PJPOWER said:

My family and most in my neck of the woods use regenerative ranching practices, so I’m going to eat a steak that my family raised tonight and not feel guilty about it in the least:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/neilyeoh/2018/04/14/going-vegan-eating-sustainable-beef-can-be-good-for-the-environment/

I eat meat rarely but when I do, that is what I look for as well.  But the fact remains, eating less meat/ eating lower on the food chain is better for the planet.  If 7.7 billion people ate beef every day, no way would that be sustainable.

Because people are dicks.

I am vegan, but never mention I am to people anymore because invariably they start saying 'I am going to eat a burger, love dead cow.  Or bacon give me some pig. hahaha yum yum yum.'

that's a really juvenile response. how odd. 

Spiritual_Chaos

HughFreakingDillon said:

that's a really juvenile response. how odd. 

Meltdown99 said:

I like to think livestock know how delicious they are... 

tempo_n_groove said:

Relax and have a Porter House.

brianlux

HughFreakingDillon said:

Smellyman said:

brianlux said:

It's always interesting to me when someone makes a true statement like "Eating less meat helps protect the planet from climate change", and then other people get on the post and start talking about how much they like meat.  Well yeah, OK fine, but what does that have to do with the fact presented in the statement? 

PJPOWER said:

My family and most in my neck of the woods use regenerative ranching practices, so I’m going to eat a steak that my family raised tonight and not feel guilty about it in the least:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/neilyeoh/2018/04/14/going-vegan-eating-sustainable-beef-can-be-good-for-the-environment/

I eat meat rarely but when I do, that is what I look for as well.  But the fact remains, eating less meat/ eating lower on the food chain is better for the planet.  If 7.7 billion people ate beef every day, no way would that be sustainable.

Because people are dicks.

I am vegan, but never mention I am to people anymore because invariably they start saying 'I am going to eat a burger, love dead cow.  Or bacon give me some pig. hahaha yum yum yum.'

that's a really juvenile response. how odd. 

Out of character for Smellyman perhaps, but I can see why he said that.  It's happened here and on another forum site I visit every  time (no exaggeration) a vegan/ vegetarian post is made is. And I say that as someone who is not 100% vegetarian (mostly, but not always).  I totally understand him lashing out.  The same snarky, baiting, replies.  Maybe sometimes they're meant as a joke, but it gets old- especially when the choice of the vegan/vegetarian is made for the good of the planet. 

HughFreakingDillon

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Smellyman said:

brianlux said:

It's always interesting to me when someone makes a true statement like "Eating less meat helps protect the planet from climate change", and then other people get on the post and start talking about how much they like meat.  Well yeah, OK fine, but what does that have to do with the fact presented in the statement? 

PJPOWER said:

My family and most in my neck of the woods use regenerative ranching practices, so I’m going to eat a steak that my family raised tonight and not feel guilty about it in the least:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/neilyeoh/2018/04/14/going-vegan-eating-sustainable-beef-can-be-good-for-the-environment/

I eat meat rarely but when I do, that is what I look for as well.  But the fact remains, eating less meat/ eating lower on the food chain is better for the planet.  If 7.7 billion people ate beef every day, no way would that be sustainable.

Because people are dicks.

I am vegan, but never mention I am to people anymore because invariably they start saying 'I am going to eat a burger, love dead cow.  Or bacon give me some pig. hahaha yum yum yum.'

that's a really juvenile response. how odd. 

Out of character for Smellyman perhaps, but I can see why he said that.  It's happened here and on another forum site I visit every  time (no exaggeration) a vegan/ vegetarian post is made is. And I say that as someone who is not 100% vegetarian (mostly, but not always).  I totally understand him lashing out.  The same snarky, baiting, replies.  Maybe sometimes they're meant as a joke, but it gets old- especially when the choice of the vegan/vegetarian is made for the good of the planet. 

I was referring to the comments he said he gets when he mentions being vegan. 

brianlux

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Smellyman said:

brianlux said:

It's always interesting to me when someone makes a true statement like "Eating less meat helps protect the planet from climate change", and then other people get on the post and start talking about how much they like meat.  Well yeah, OK fine, but what does that have to do with the fact presented in the statement? 

PJPOWER said:

My family and most in my neck of the woods use regenerative ranching practices, so I’m going to eat a steak that my family raised tonight and not feel guilty about it in the least:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/neilyeoh/2018/04/14/going-vegan-eating-sustainable-beef-can-be-good-for-the-environment/

I eat meat rarely but when I do, that is what I look for as well.  But the fact remains, eating less meat/ eating lower on the food chain is better for the planet.  If 7.7 billion people ate beef every day, no way would that be sustainable.

Because people are dicks.

I am vegan, but never mention I am to people anymore because invariably they start saying 'I am going to eat a burger, love dead cow.  Or bacon give me some pig. hahaha yum yum yum.'

that's a really juvenile response. how odd. 

Out of character for Smellyman perhaps, but I can see why he said that.  It's happened here and on another forum site I visit every  time (no exaggeration) a vegan/ vegetarian post is made is. And I say that as someone who is not 100% vegetarian (mostly, but not always).  I totally understand him lashing out.  The same snarky, baiting, replies.  Maybe sometimes they're meant as a joke, but it gets old- especially when the choice of the vegan/vegetarian is made for the good of the planet. 

I was referring to the comments he said he gets when he mentions being vegan. 

This:

"

Because people are dicks.

I am vegan, but never mention I am to people anymore because invariably they start saying 'I am going to eat a burger, love dead cow.  Or bacon give me some pig. hahaha yum yum yum.'"

?

HughFreakingDillon

this:

they start saying 'I am going to eat a burger, love dead cow.  Or bacon give me some pig. hahaha yum yum yum.'"

brianlux

HughFreakingDillon said:

this:

they start saying 'I am going to eat a burger, love dead cow.  Or bacon give me some pig. hahaha yum yum yum.'"

I see, got it, thanks!

hedonist

I'd never ridicule someone for being vegan or vegetarian or anything else.  Just as I don't appreciate when *some* people like to cry "Murderer!!" to people who eat meat.

Either way, as Smellyman said, it IS being a dick.

Meltdown99

The OP of this thread has no problem insulting meat-eaters.  They have done that on many occasions here.  And why do vegans need to tell people they are vegan?  I do not go around advertising I like meat.  My guess vegans who need to tell people they are vegans are just trying to come across as better than others...

pearljammr78

I was a vegan for a year and a vegetarian for two years after that. It was hard to do and what I found the worst was the inconvenience I was to anyone whose house I went to for a meal. My mother in law would always make me a special meal. Got really tired of being a bother. I only eat once a day so my meat is limited. But anything anyone can do to help this planet (cause it needs it bad), I fully support. 

brianlux

Meltdown99 said:

The OP of this thread has no problem insulting meat-eaters.  They have done that on many occasions here.  And why do vegans need to tell people they are vegan?  I do not go around advertising I like meat.  My guess vegans who need to tell people they are vegans are just trying to come across as better than others...

Not all vegans advertise that they are vegans.  Some I know only mention it if they are invited to dinner.

Some vegans mention it because they want other people to consider eating less or no meat for the sake of the planet.

Some mention it as a way of passing along health suggestions.  One year a ways back, I ate only raw vegetable and sprouts for three months and I never felt better.  Since then I've done shorter versions of the raw food diet. 

And a few vegans who are obnoxious about it, but there are a always a few people who are obnoxious about anything you can list.  But I think most vegans are very cool about it all.

myoung321

The new generation of plant based "Meats" are game changers... The Beyond Burger is damn good!