Eating Less Meat Helps Protect the Planet From Climate Change

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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Meltdown99 said:
    1 thing...the price of meat here in Canada has to be forcing people to eat less meat.
    Have you compared the price of vegetables on a protein basis?
    I am very fitness-oriented and very conscious of my protein intake, and it would cost me a fortune, almost double, to get the same level of protein without meat.  

    We do meatless meals 2-3 times a week and we are trying to take it another step forward, but it's tough.
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  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,367
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    The OP of this thread has no problem insulting meat-eaters.  They have done that on many occasions here.  And why do vegans need to tell people they are vegan?  I do not go around advertising I like meat.  My guess vegans who need to tell people they are vegans are just trying to come across as better than others...
    Why should I have a problem insulting "meat-eaters"? You choose to support the slaughter of other living beings when you're out for lunch instead of picking the vegetarian/vegan option and with that not supporting that slaughter. The lack of empathy is apparent enough to warrant insult. It's disgusting.

    And who are these vegans you are talking about that "need to tell people they are vegan"? Or is this just a stereotype you have built up in your angry little head?

    (by the way, vegans are better than you in regards to this topic. Whether they tell you they are vegan or not <3 )
    I'll tell you why you should have a problem insulting "meat-eaters": it's because when you were presented the choice of productively helping someone come around to your way of thinking, instead you chose the non-productive route of insulting their chosen (and until maybe five years ago, never under attack) way of life. 

    You should have a problem insulting "meat-eaters" because, as a proclaimed progressive, you should know that you could've done more to help climate change, and you failed at that because you wanted too desperately to be arrogant and insulting to drop the act and care about your cause. It does align with the troll behaviour (and, of course, your birthplace since you like to bring that one up).

    I'm going to spend my day hanging out with two vegans who inspire me to make shifts towards veganism - as opposed to yourself, who inspires me to make no shifts (at best). Remember - when you could've done more, and people brought it to your attention, oh principled one, you took the low road. Have a great day.
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  • pearljammr78
    pearljammr78 Posts: 1,613
    edited August 2019
    I know many fat vegans who eat like shit but it’s not meat man. Anyone who has to flaunt their choices in life has very low self esteem and wants constant conformation that they have made the right choice. Is being vegan better for the planet. Yes. So is not driving a car. Using no plastic. Etc. some of us don’t have the luxury to make these things happen due to lack of money and/or time. We can all make little steps to be better for the earth without throwing it in others faces. 

    Side note. I just found out some trolls are vegan. The more you know!!


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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,113
    No way I could be vegan, I would miss cheese too much.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,367
    mcgruff10 said:
    No way I could be vegan, I would miss cheese too much.  
    My brother's a realistic vegan and will treat himself every now and then to something he misses. Cheese (which was once a favourite with as much passion as what you're describing) isn't even on that list for him anymore. I know he's not making it up because there are other things I can hand him that he absolutely will cheat with, no questions asked. 
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    EV
    Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
  • pearljammr78
    pearljammr78 Posts: 1,613
    I like cutting the cheese. 💨
    Peace,Love and Pearl Jam.
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,113
    benjs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    No way I could be vegan, I would miss cheese too much.  
    My brother's a realistic vegan and will treat himself every now and then to something he misses. Cheese (which was once a favourite with as much passion as what you're describing) isn't even on that list for him anymore. I know he's not making it up because there are other things I can hand him that he absolutely will cheat with, no questions asked. 
    I never understood why cheese is on the vegan no no list since the animal isn't being killed.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • pearljammr78
    pearljammr78 Posts: 1,613
    Just like eggs. Not all eggs are chicken babies. And eggs are delicious. 
    Peace,Love and Pearl Jam.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    mcgruff10 said:
    benjs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    No way I could be vegan, I would miss cheese too much.  
    My brother's a realistic vegan and will treat himself every now and then to something he misses. Cheese (which was once a favourite with as much passion as what you're describing) isn't even on that list for him anymore. I know he's not making it up because there are other things I can hand him that he absolutely will cheat with, no questions asked. 
    I never understood why cheese is on the vegan no no list since the animal isn't being killed.  
    Conventional dairy farming is horrifically rife with abuse and abhorrent conditions.
    Where they lose me is when they won't eat ethically and sustainably sourced eggs and dairy.
    Seems foolish to me.
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,113
    rgambs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    benjs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    No way I could be vegan, I would miss cheese too much.  
    My brother's a realistic vegan and will treat himself every now and then to something he misses. Cheese (which was once a favourite with as much passion as what you're describing) isn't even on that list for him anymore. I know he's not making it up because there are other things I can hand him that he absolutely will cheat with, no questions asked. 
    I never understood why cheese is on the vegan no no list since the animal isn't being killed.  
    Conventional dairy farming is horrifically rife with abuse and abhorrent conditions.
    Where they lose me is when they won't eat ethically and sustainably sourced eggs and dairy.
    Seems foolish to me.
    Agreed.  Seafood seems silly too.  I just don't see eating fish and lobster as "murder".
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    pearljammr78 said:
    Just like eggs. Not all eggs are chicken babies. And eggs are delicious. 
    The egg industry is also very disgusting, abusive, and corrosive to the planet.
    But, again, there are sustainable and ethical options out there.
    I understand not wanting to purchase them and include in your regular diet, but the vegans in the family refusing them at family functions galls me.
    I shouldn't take it personally, and mostly I don't, but there's no solid rationale behind it so it does bother me.  My eggs are clean, fresh, ethical, and sustainable, refusing them makes no sense.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    mcgruff10 said:
    rgambs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    benjs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    No way I could be vegan, I would miss cheese too much.  
    My brother's a realistic vegan and will treat himself every now and then to something he misses. Cheese (which was once a favourite with as much passion as what you're describing) isn't even on that list for him anymore. I know he's not making it up because there are other things I can hand him that he absolutely will cheat with, no questions asked. 
    I never understood why cheese is on the vegan no no list since the animal isn't being killed.  
    Conventional dairy farming is horrifically rife with abuse and abhorrent conditions.
    Where they lose me is when they won't eat ethically and sustainably sourced eggs and dairy.
    Seems foolish to me.
    Agreed.  Seafood seems silly too.  I just don't see eating fish and lobster as "murder".
    I agree too about eating ethically and sustainably sourced eggs and dairy.  But seafood is off my list permanently.  I don't get into a rant and berate people who eat seafood (as we've seen, that kind of behavior does not help change a person's mind!) but for my own conscience, I can't do it.  Reason being, we've over-fished the oceans to the point of wiping out some species and critically endangering others, farm fishing has serious drawbacks (I know some here disagree strongly with me on this but I'm not convinced it's OK), and most fish contains toxins from all the pollution we dump into the ocean- especially shellfish which are particularly toxic.  So for me, it's a life-time ban on all seafood other than a little sea vegetables once in a long while.
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    -Roberto Benigni

  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    benjs said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    The OP of this thread has no problem insulting meat-eaters.  They have done that on many occasions here.  And why do vegans need to tell people they are vegan?  I do not go around advertising I like meat.  My guess vegans who need to tell people they are vegans are just trying to come across as better than others...
    Why should I have a problem insulting "meat-eaters"? You choose to support the slaughter of other living beings when you're out for lunch instead of picking the vegetarian/vegan option and with that not supporting that slaughter. The lack of empathy is apparent enough to warrant insult. It's disgusting.

    And who are these vegans you are talking about that "need to tell people they are vegan"? Or is this just a stereotype you have built up in your angry little head?

    (by the way, vegans are better than you in regards to this topic. Whether they tell you they are vegan or not <3 )
    I'll tell you why you should have a problem insulting "meat-eaters": it's because when you were presented the choice of productively helping someone come around to your way of thinking, instead you chose the non-productive route of insulting their chosen (and until maybe five years ago, never under attack) way of life. 

    You should have a problem insulting "meat-eaters" because, as a proclaimed progressive, you should know that you could've done more to help climate change, and you failed at that because you wanted too desperately to be arrogant and insulting to drop the act and care about your cause. It does align with the troll behaviour (and, of course, your birthplace since you like to bring that one up).

    I'm going to spend my day hanging out with two vegans who inspire me to make shifts towards veganism - as opposed to yourself, who inspires me to make no shifts (at best). Remember - when you could've done more, and people brought it to your attention, oh principled one, you took the low road. Have a great day.
    "Keep your dignity; take the high road; take it like a man."   From Momma Sed ;)

    Bravo.
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    mcgruff10 said:
    rgambs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    benjs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    No way I could be vegan, I would miss cheese too much.  
    My brother's a realistic vegan and will treat himself every now and then to something he misses. Cheese (which was once a favourite with as much passion as what you're describing) isn't even on that list for him anymore. I know he's not making it up because there are other things I can hand him that he absolutely will cheat with, no questions asked. 
    I never understood why cheese is on the vegan no no list since the animal isn't being killed.  
    Conventional dairy farming is horrifically rife with abuse and abhorrent conditions.
    Where they lose me is when they won't eat ethically and sustainably sourced eggs and dairy.
    Seems foolish to me.
    Agreed.  Seafood seems silly too.  I just don't see eating fish and lobster as "murder".
    "it's ok to eat fish, cause they,
    don't have any feeeeelings"

    -kurt cobain
    By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.




  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,113
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    rgambs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    benjs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    No way I could be vegan, I would miss cheese too much.  
    My brother's a realistic vegan and will treat himself every now and then to something he misses. Cheese (which was once a favourite with as much passion as what you're describing) isn't even on that list for him anymore. I know he's not making it up because there are other things I can hand him that he absolutely will cheat with, no questions asked. 
    I never understood why cheese is on the vegan no no list since the animal isn't being killed.  
    Conventional dairy farming is horrifically rife with abuse and abhorrent conditions.
    Where they lose me is when they won't eat ethically and sustainably sourced eggs and dairy.
    Seems foolish to me.
    Agreed.  Seafood seems silly too.  I just don't see eating fish and lobster as "murder".
    "it's ok to eat fish, cause they,
    don't have any feeeeelings"

    -kurt cobain
    Something in the way......
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    Call me when you find a great “beyond” version of this:

  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    I was talking to a co worker about this, telling him i have always considered going meatless, for the environment and also ethical reasons. he mentioned that, unfortunately it’s not as a simple as eating less meat as the media makes it out to be. 
    • Without cows we’d lose our grass lands. Unfortunately we killed all our other grazing animals (bison, buffalo) 
    • Agriculture as a whole removes more and more soil every year (we only have 60 years of top soil left) and we need grazing animals to help replenish

    thoughts?

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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    I was talking to a co worker about this, telling him i have always considered going meatless, for the environment and also ethical reasons. he mentioned that, unfortunately it’s not as a simple as eating less meat as the media makes it out to be. 
    • Without cows we’d lose our grass lands. Unfortunately we killed all our other grazing animals (bison, buffalo) 
    • Agriculture as a whole removes more and more soil every year (we only have 60 years of top soil left) and we need grazing animals to help replenish

    thoughts?

    Around here, the farmers and ranchers have a symbiotic relationship.  During the winter, cattle graze on the byproducts from the farms and fertilize the ground for next year’s crop.  In that respect, I agree with what your friend says.  Also, lots of grassland that gets overgrown and creates a fire danger if livestock doesn’t graze it...
  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,769
     Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    The OP of this thread has no problem insulting meat-eaters.  They have done that on many occasions here.  And why do vegans need to tell people they are vegan?  I do not go around advertising I like meat.  My guess vegans who need to tell people they are vegans are just trying to come across as better than others...
    Why should I have a problem insulting "meat-eaters"? You choose to support the slaughter of other living beings when you're out for lunch instead of picking the vegetarian/vegan option and with that not supporting that slaughter. The lack of empathy is apparent enough to warrant insult. It's disgusting.

    And who are these vegans you are talking about that "need to tell people they are vegan"? Or is this just a stereotype you have built up in your angry little head?

    (by the way, vegans are better than you in regards to this topic. Whether they tell you they are vegan or not <3 )

    Classic.


  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    I was talking to a co worker about this, telling him i have always considered going meatless, for the environment and also ethical reasons. he mentioned that, unfortunately it’s not as a simple as eating less meat as the media makes it out to be. 
    • Without cows we’d lose our grass lands. Unfortunately we killed all our other grazing animals (bison, buffalo) 
    • Agriculture as a whole removes more and more soil every year (we only have 60 years of top soil left) and we need grazing animals to help replenish

    thoughts?


    This would assume responsible cattle production, not feedlot production, which I believe is the vast majority of beef cattle. The volume of beef eaten now could not be sustained by grazing grasslands. 

    Every action has an impact on the environment, but some actions have less of an impact. It's very difficult to truthfully argue that major meat production has less of an impact than non-meat production. 
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