Living without money.
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You guys actually to agree on some stuff. Maybe keep the personal gripes to a personal message? It's a bummer to come on here and read personal attacks. I'm not ratting anyone out, just sayin'.Meltdown99 said:
Dude...all you do is flap your gums about how right you are and how wrong everyone else...you are a baffle them with bullshit kind of guy...not dazzle them with brilliance. You should learn to ignore my post because I think very little of you...and some of your ridiculous post...rgambs said:
Did you really just quote a Wikipedia article about a Hollywood film based on a book as a source? lolMeltdown99 said:
Into the Wildrgambs said:
That is not an accurate summary of the McCandless story. He was pretty well prepared and he was living quite successfully until he got sick, most likely from a fungal infection.Meltdown99 said:
I have actually read that Alaska Authorities said that book and the story of McCandliss have been more harmful than anything. McCandliss was ill-prepared and had no real idea of how to live off-grid or off the land. Every year Alaska has to do some rescue's along that trail and just a couple weeks ago a honeymooning couple from Europe had tragedy strike when the newlywed bride died crossing a fast-moving river and was swept away 1feet downriver...brianlux said:
That book and McCandless' quest for a simpler life was also inspiring. And another fine read too!lastexitlondon said:Into the wild
I wish the media would quit with the romance of living off the land. Not much of society is equipped to live off the land...
Yes, his story has inspired idiots to exercise their idiocy, but a cursory glance at the SAR records of any major National Park will show that idiots love to exercise their idiocy at every opportunity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Into_the_Wild_(film)
Noting McCandless' unpreparedness, the stranger who drops him off lends him a pair of boots.
Four months later, at the abandoned bus, life for McCandless becomes harder, and he begins to make poor decisions. As his supplies begin to run out, he realizes that nature is also harsh and uncaring.
Dude. The guy did not even have the most basic equipment...good hiking boots. That sounds like some who was prepared. He did not even make it summer.
If he was prepared he would have known about the runoff that causes that particular river hard to cross.
Try again. Read the book and Krakauer's interviews and notes.
Quoting the movie summary lol
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All things considered, I'm pretty content with life, the one I've built with my husband. That's the most important thing to me.rgambs said:
Quite a few things have been listed that people seem to think require money and they don't. Also, a few things have been listed that aren't necessary to a happy or fulfilled life at all.pearljammr78 said:
How is money and what comes with achieving it a Western Civilization norm? All facets of human society have had some form of currency. And the few that do “survive” without money need many things to work in their favor to even survive. Money brings a lot of evil with it, greed being the main factor in that. To each his own. Whatever anyone wants to do to make their lives complete to them all the power to them. It’s just not for me.rgambs said:I'm pretty surprised (though I guess I shouldn't be) at how hard it is for Pearl Jam fans to countenance a lifestyle outside of Western Civilization norms.
Now, I'm not saying this is the right lifestyle, or even a better one, but when people can't even conceive or accept the idea of something different, it shows a high level of inurement within Western norms.
Also important are meds for my health, fresh produce and meat (expensive!), blood tests, MRI's, all that shit.
If someone is young and/or prepared enough to truly go for it, great for them. But! Know that eschewing the lifestyle isn't tantamount to a closed mind.0 -
Come on, you would be much happier scavenging for food out of dumpsters, wearing the same clothes every day, and smelling like shit! Just admit ithedonist said:
All things considered, I'm pretty content with life, the one I've built with my husband. That's the most important thing to me.rgambs said:
Quite a few things have been listed that people seem to think require money and they don't. Also, a few things have been listed that aren't necessary to a happy or fulfilled life at all.pearljammr78 said:
How is money and what comes with achieving it a Western Civilization norm? All facets of human society have had some form of currency. And the few that do “survive” without money need many things to work in their favor to even survive. Money brings a lot of evil with it, greed being the main factor in that. To each his own. Whatever anyone wants to do to make their lives complete to them all the power to them. It’s just not for me.rgambs said:I'm pretty surprised (though I guess I shouldn't be) at how hard it is for Pearl Jam fans to countenance a lifestyle outside of Western Civilization norms.
Now, I'm not saying this is the right lifestyle, or even a better one, but when people can't even conceive or accept the idea of something different, it shows a high level of inurement within Western norms.
Also important are meds for my health, fresh produce and meat (expensive!), blood tests, MRI's, all that shit.
If someone is young and/or prepared enough to truly go for it, great for them. But! Know that eschewing the lifestyle isn't tantamount to a closed mind.
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Who said anything about smelling like shit? Why would you imply ipso facto that everyone who scavenges for there meals smells like shit? What's the deal? Do you somehow feel threatened by the subject matter here?PJPOWER said:
Come on, you would be much happier scavenging for food out of dumpsters, wearing the same clothes every day, and smelling like shit! Just admit ithedonist said:
All things considered, I'm pretty content with life, the one I've built with my husband. That's the most important thing to me.rgambs said:
Quite a few things have been listed that people seem to think require money and they don't. Also, a few things have been listed that aren't necessary to a happy or fulfilled life at all.pearljammr78 said:
How is money and what comes with achieving it a Western Civilization norm? All facets of human society have had some form of currency. And the few that do “survive” without money need many things to work in their favor to even survive. Money brings a lot of evil with it, greed being the main factor in that. To each his own. Whatever anyone wants to do to make their lives complete to them all the power to them. It’s just not for me.rgambs said:I'm pretty surprised (though I guess I shouldn't be) at how hard it is for Pearl Jam fans to countenance a lifestyle outside of Western Civilization norms.
Now, I'm not saying this is the right lifestyle, or even a better one, but when people can't even conceive or accept the idea of something different, it shows a high level of inurement within Western norms.
Also important are meds for my health, fresh produce and meat (expensive!), blood tests, MRI's, all that shit.
If someone is young and/or prepared enough to truly go for it, great for them. But! Know that eschewing the lifestyle isn't tantamount to a closed mind.
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
How the heck do you not smell? I mean I've done plenty of backpacking and never really smelt like roses. I remember after two weeks on the trail in New Mexico I smelt absolutely putrid lol.brianlux said:
Who said anything about smelling like shit? Why would you imply ipso facto that everyone who scavenges for there meals smells like shit? What's the deal? Do you somehow feel threatened by the subject matter here?PJPOWER said:
Come on, you would be much happier scavenging for food out of dumpsters, wearing the same clothes every day, and smelling like shit! Just admit ithedonist said:
All things considered, I'm pretty content with life, the one I've built with my husband. That's the most important thing to me.rgambs said:
Quite a few things have been listed that people seem to think require money and they don't. Also, a few things have been listed that aren't necessary to a happy or fulfilled life at all.pearljammr78 said:
How is money and what comes with achieving it a Western Civilization norm? All facets of human society have had some form of currency. And the few that do “survive” without money need many things to work in their favor to even survive. Money brings a lot of evil with it, greed being the main factor in that. To each his own. Whatever anyone wants to do to make their lives complete to them all the power to them. It’s just not for me.rgambs said:I'm pretty surprised (though I guess I shouldn't be) at how hard it is for Pearl Jam fans to countenance a lifestyle outside of Western Civilization norms.
Now, I'm not saying this is the right lifestyle, or even a better one, but when people can't even conceive or accept the idea of something different, it shows a high level of inurement within Western norms.
Also important are meds for my health, fresh produce and meat (expensive!), blood tests, MRI's, all that shit.
If someone is young and/or prepared enough to truly go for it, great for them. But! Know that eschewing the lifestyle isn't tantamount to a closed mind.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
Just seems logical that you would be stinky if you foraged in dumpsters for food...I wasn’t being overly serious, btw.brianlux said:
Who said anything about smelling like shit? Why would you imply ipso facto that everyone who scavenges for there meals smells like shit? What's the deal? Do you somehow feel threatened by the subject matter here?PJPOWER said:
Come on, you would be much happier scavenging for food out of dumpsters, wearing the same clothes every day, and smelling like shit! Just admit ithedonist said:
All things considered, I'm pretty content with life, the one I've built with my husband. That's the most important thing to me.rgambs said:
Quite a few things have been listed that people seem to think require money and they don't. Also, a few things have been listed that aren't necessary to a happy or fulfilled life at all.pearljammr78 said:
How is money and what comes with achieving it a Western Civilization norm? All facets of human society have had some form of currency. And the few that do “survive” without money need many things to work in their favor to even survive. Money brings a lot of evil with it, greed being the main factor in that. To each his own. Whatever anyone wants to do to make their lives complete to them all the power to them. It’s just not for me.rgambs said:I'm pretty surprised (though I guess I shouldn't be) at how hard it is for Pearl Jam fans to countenance a lifestyle outside of Western Civilization norms.
Now, I'm not saying this is the right lifestyle, or even a better one, but when people can't even conceive or accept the idea of something different, it shows a high level of inurement within Western norms.
Also important are meds for my health, fresh produce and meat (expensive!), blood tests, MRI's, all that shit.
If someone is young and/or prepared enough to truly go for it, great for them. But! Know that eschewing the lifestyle isn't tantamount to a closed mind.0 -
Two weeks in NM??? Bless your heart!mcgruff10 said:
How the heck do you not smell? I mean I've done plenty of backpacking and never really smelt like roses. I remember after two weeks on the trail in New Mexico I smelt absolutely putrid lol.brianlux said:
Who said anything about smelling like shit? Why would you imply ipso facto that everyone who scavenges for there meals smells like shit? What's the deal? Do you somehow feel threatened by the subject matter here?PJPOWER said:
Come on, you would be much happier scavenging for food out of dumpsters, wearing the same clothes every day, and smelling like shit! Just admit ithedonist said:
All things considered, I'm pretty content with life, the one I've built with my husband. That's the most important thing to me.rgambs said:
Quite a few things have been listed that people seem to think require money and they don't. Also, a few things have been listed that aren't necessary to a happy or fulfilled life at all.pearljammr78 said:
How is money and what comes with achieving it a Western Civilization norm? All facets of human society have had some form of currency. And the few that do “survive” without money need many things to work in their favor to even survive. Money brings a lot of evil with it, greed being the main factor in that. To each his own. Whatever anyone wants to do to make their lives complete to them all the power to them. It’s just not for me.rgambs said:I'm pretty surprised (though I guess I shouldn't be) at how hard it is for Pearl Jam fans to countenance a lifestyle outside of Western Civilization norms.
Now, I'm not saying this is the right lifestyle, or even a better one, but when people can't even conceive or accept the idea of something different, it shows a high level of inurement within Western norms.
Also important are meds for my health, fresh produce and meat (expensive!), blood tests, MRI's, all that shit.
If someone is young and/or prepared enough to truly go for it, great for them. But! Know that eschewing the lifestyle isn't tantamount to a closed mind.0 -
mcgruff10 said:
How the heck do you not smell? I mean I've done plenty of backpacking and never really smelt like roses. I remember after two weeks on the trail in New Mexico I smelt absolutely putrid lol.brianlux said:
Who said anything about smelling like shit? Why would you imply ipso facto that everyone who scavenges for there meals smells like shit? What's the deal? Do you somehow feel threatened by the subject matter here?PJPOWER said:
Come on, you would be much happier scavenging for food out of dumpsters, wearing the same clothes every day, and smelling like shit! Just admit ithedonist said:
All things considered, I'm pretty content with life, the one I've built with my husband. That's the most important thing to me.rgambs said:
Quite a few things have been listed that people seem to think require money and they don't. Also, a few things have been listed that aren't necessary to a happy or fulfilled life at all.pearljammr78 said:
How is money and what comes with achieving it a Western Civilization norm? All facets of human society have had some form of currency. And the few that do “survive” without money need many things to work in their favor to even survive. Money brings a lot of evil with it, greed being the main factor in that. To each his own. Whatever anyone wants to do to make their lives complete to them all the power to them. It’s just not for me.rgambs said:I'm pretty surprised (though I guess I shouldn't be) at how hard it is for Pearl Jam fans to countenance a lifestyle outside of Western Civilization norms.
Now, I'm not saying this is the right lifestyle, or even a better one, but when people can't even conceive or accept the idea of something different, it shows a high level of inurement within Western norms.
Also important are meds for my health, fresh produce and meat (expensive!), blood tests, MRI's, all that shit.
If someone is young and/or prepared enough to truly go for it, great for them. But! Know that eschewing the lifestyle isn't tantamount to a closed mind.First of all, why would you assume homeless people go without bathing for two weeks? Some do, this is true. We had one homeless guy who smelled so badly I couldn't get near him without almost passing out. Customers were leaving the store because of him. I finally had to ask him to please bath before coming into the store and he ran out the door screaming all the way down the block. But I'll bet that guy had lost his mind. Perhaps he was a Vietnam Vet.But then another homeless guy used to come into the to the store reeking and I suggested the same thing. He looked up at me and said, "Oh, thanks," and he never smelled poorly after that. And we have had other homeless people come in who did not smell badly at all, ever.It is well documented that during the era of North American continental conquest by the Europeans, the white pioneers smelled badly but the indigenous people for the most part did not. So would you guys assume that all people who live as hunter-gatherers stick like shit?If you live near a stream or lake, you bath in the water. If you live in the city, there are places where you can bathe. Years ago, I lived in my van for a couple of years. I did not "smell like shit". I found places to bathe.And I believe in a society that didn't use money this would not be a problem. Not having money does not negate the ability to bathe. I think you guys are grasping at straws here.
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It was awesome! I absolutely love everything about the west. Still gotta hit up Texas proper!PJPOWER said:
Two weeks in NM??? Bless your heart!mcgruff10 said:
How the heck do you not smell? I mean I've done plenty of backpacking and never really smelt like roses. I remember after two weeks on the trail in New Mexico I smelt absolutely putrid lol.brianlux said:
Who said anything about smelling like shit? Why would you imply ipso facto that everyone who scavenges for there meals smells like shit? What's the deal? Do you somehow feel threatened by the subject matter here?PJPOWER said:
Come on, you would be much happier scavenging for food out of dumpsters, wearing the same clothes every day, and smelling like shit! Just admit ithedonist said:
All things considered, I'm pretty content with life, the one I've built with my husband. That's the most important thing to me.rgambs said:
Quite a few things have been listed that people seem to think require money and they don't. Also, a few things have been listed that aren't necessary to a happy or fulfilled life at all.pearljammr78 said:
How is money and what comes with achieving it a Western Civilization norm? All facets of human society have had some form of currency. And the few that do “survive” without money need many things to work in their favor to even survive. Money brings a lot of evil with it, greed being the main factor in that. To each his own. Whatever anyone wants to do to make their lives complete to them all the power to them. It’s just not for me.rgambs said:I'm pretty surprised (though I guess I shouldn't be) at how hard it is for Pearl Jam fans to countenance a lifestyle outside of Western Civilization norms.
Now, I'm not saying this is the right lifestyle, or even a better one, but when people can't even conceive or accept the idea of something different, it shows a high level of inurement within Western norms.
Also important are meds for my health, fresh produce and meat (expensive!), blood tests, MRI's, all that shit.
If someone is young and/or prepared enough to truly go for it, great for them. But! Know that eschewing the lifestyle isn't tantamount to a closed mind.
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Let's put this subject of odor into further perspective. I went to a seated musical performance at an upscale venue years ago. Most of the people in attendance were well to do upper middle class suburbanites. The couple sitting behind me were all decked out and coifed. They reeked of cologne, perfume, alcohol and garlic. I would much rather have sat near someone who had the same clothes they'd worn a few days and maybe hadn't bathed in a couple of days. Someone like Suelo. "Smells like shit" is relative.
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
Yes, “smells like shit” is relative. Not a fan of perfumes, cologne, or alcohol either...Garlic, though...brianlux said:Let's put this subject of odor into further perspective. I went to a seated musical performance at an upscale venue years ago. Most of the people in attendance were well to do upper middle class suburbanites. The couple sitting behind me were all decked out and coifed. They reeked of cologne, perfume, alcohol and garlic. I would much rather have sat near someone who had the same clothes they'd worn a few days and maybe hadn't bathed in a couple of days. Someone like Suelo. "Smells like shit" is relative.0 -
It wasn't your statement. I'm hoping for a reply from McGruff.PJPOWER said:
Yes, “smells like shit” is relative. Not a fan of perfumes, cologne, or alcohol either...Garlic, though...brianlux said:Let's put this subject of odor into further perspective. I went to a seated musical performance at an upscale venue years ago. Most of the people in attendance were well to do upper middle class suburbanites. The couple sitting behind me were all decked out and coifed. They reeked of cologne, perfume, alcohol and garlic. I would much rather have sat near someone who had the same clothes they'd worn a few days and maybe hadn't bathed in a couple of days. Someone like Suelo. "Smells like shit" is relative.
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
What am I replying too? I m confused.brianlux said:
It wasn't your statement. I'm hoping for a reply from McGruff.PJPOWER said:
Yes, “smells like shit” is relative. Not a fan of perfumes, cologne, or alcohol either...Garlic, though...brianlux said:Let's put this subject of odor into further perspective. I went to a seated musical performance at an upscale venue years ago. Most of the people in attendance were well to do upper middle class suburbanites. The couple sitting behind me were all decked out and coifed. They reeked of cologne, perfume, alcohol and garlic. I would much rather have sat near someone who had the same clothes they'd worn a few days and maybe hadn't bathed in a couple of days. Someone like Suelo. "Smells like shit" is relative.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
I work at a really good job and there is a guy I work with that you can smell from, no joke, 10 feet away. And his work vehicle will make you gag from the odor. This guy makes easily $95-110 thousand US dollars a year. So money and stink don’t really go together.Peace,Love and Pearl Jam.0
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mcgruff10 said:
What am I replying too? I m confused.brianlux said:
It wasn't your statement. I'm hoping for a reply from McGruff.PJPOWER said:
Yes, “smells like shit” is relative. Not a fan of perfumes, cologne, or alcohol either...Garlic, though...brianlux said:Let's put this subject of odor into further perspective. I went to a seated musical performance at an upscale venue years ago. Most of the people in attendance were well to do upper middle class suburbanites. The couple sitting behind me were all decked out and coifed. They reeked of cologne, perfume, alcohol and garlic. I would much rather have sat near someone who had the same clothes they'd worn a few days and maybe hadn't bathed in a couple of days. Someone like Suelo. "Smells like shit" is relative.Sorry, you said:"How the heck do you not smell? I mean I've done plenty of backpacking and never really smelt like roses. I remember after two weeks on the trail in New Mexico I smelt absolutely putrid lol."I replied:"First of all, why would you assume homeless people go without bathing for two weeks? Some do, this is true. We had one homeless guy who smelled so badly I couldn't get near him without almost passing out. Customers were leaving the store because of him. I finally had to ask him to please bath before coming into the store and he ran out the door screaming all the way down the block. But I'll bet that guy had lost his mind. Perhaps he was a Vietnam Vet.But then another homeless guy used to come into the to the store reeking and I suggested the same thing. He looked up at me and said, "Oh, thanks," and he never smelled poorly after that. And we have had other homeless people come in who did not smell badly at all, ever.It is well documented that during the era of North American continental conquest by the Europeans, the white pioneers smelled badly but the indigenous people for the most part did not. So would you guys assume that all people who live as hunter-gatherers stick like shit?If you live near a stream or lake, you bath in the water. If you live in the city, there are places where you can bathe. Years ago, I lived in my van for a couple of years. I did not "smell like shit". I found places to bathe.And I believe in a society that didn't use money this would not be a problem. Not having money does not negate the ability to bathe. I think you guys are grasping at straws here."
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
I just merely said how I find it difficult to smell good after I was backpacking. Even after a weekend of hunting or camping I smell funky when I come home. So I do find it hard to believe that someone without money could in fact be always clean and smell good. Without money how could one buy soap or shampoo? Even if you do bathe in a river or stream it doesn’t mean you get those odors out. Did the native Americans use something special to mask their smell?Post edited by mcgruff10 onI'll ride the wave where it takes me......0
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mcgruff10 said:I just merely said how I find it difficult to smell good after I was backpacking. Even after a weekend of hunting or camping I smell funky when I come home. So I do find it hard to believe that someone without money could in fact be always clean and smell good. Without money how could one buy soap or shampoo? Even if you do bathe in a river or stream it doesn’t mean you get those odors out. Did the native Americans use something special to mask their smell?Suelo's whole premise is that there is enough waste that people can, if they choose to, live off of that waste. You and I choose not to , but it can be done, at least in first world countries where there is so much waste. A person choosing to live without money will have to spend some of their time scavenging things like soap and clothing as well as food. Suelo has retrieved all kinds of things found in dumpsters, left on the roadside, or sometimes given to him including bicycles, bedding, cookware, etc. Of course going to a money-free society would be a difficult and complex transition, but as long as there is as much waste in our first world as there is, I thinks it's great that there are people willing to live that way.Many indigenous tribes use/ used plants like yucca , soap-root, California lilacs, buffaloberry among others to make soap. It can also be made from lye and animal fat.
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
Yeah you lost me at scavenging for soap and clothing lol. That’s a big no thank you for me.
I did find the Native American soap very interesting.Post edited by mcgruff10 onI'll ride the wave where it takes me......0
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