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  • RYME
    RYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    edited July 2019
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    To be a devil's advocate for RYME, when he suggests that not everybody that voted for Trump did it because of Trump's racist rhetoric/agenda, he gets hit with a typical (and wrong) liberal view  that "If you voted for him, you're supporting racism whether you think you're racist or not." So I can't blame him for going with a typical (and wrong) conservative view that "liberals hate America." 
    Not liberals.
    There's a huge difference between liberals and leftists.   Leftists hate America.
    Liberals are patriotic and love America, but have some fundamental  differences with conservatives on how things should be done.  But the two sides don't hate each other.
    Liberals and conservatives have a lot in common.
    The left is an entirely different entity.
    The left hates America no question.
    Post edited by RYME on
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,194
    edited July 2019
    RYME said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    To be a devil's advocate for RYME, when he suggests that not everybody that voted for Trump did it because of Trump's racist rhetoric/agenda, he gets hit with a typical (and wrong) liberal view  that "If you voted for him, you're supporting racism whether you think you're racist or not." So I can't blame him for going with a typical (and wrong) conservative view that "liberals hate America." 
    Not liberals.
    There's a huge difference between liberals and leftists.   Leftists hate America.
    Liberals are patriotic and love America, but have some fundamental difference with conservatives on how things should be done.
    Liberals and conservatives have a lot in common.
    The left is an entirely different entity.
    The left hates America no question.
    Garbage. The right hates blacks, immigrants, women, LGBT folks and anyone who isn’t pasty white, Christian and flies an American flag outside their house. “I love the uneducated.”
    Post edited by Halifax2TheMax on
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  • RYME
    RYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    RYME said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    To be a devil's advocate for RYME, when he suggests that not everybody that voted for Trump did it because of Trump's racist rhetoric/agenda, he gets hit with a typical (and wrong) liberal view  that "If you voted for him, you're supporting racism whether you think you're racist or not." So I can't blame him for going with a typical (and wrong) conservative view that "liberals hate America." 
    Not liberals.
    There's a huge difference between liberals and leftists.   Leftists hate America.
    Liberals are patriotic and love America, but have some fundamental difference with conservatives on how things should be done.
    Liberals and conservatives have a lot in common.
    The left is an entirely different entity.
    The left hates America no question.
    Garbage. The right hates blacks, immigrants, women, LGBT folks and anyone who isn’t pasty white, Christian and flies an American flag outside their house. “I love the uneducated.”
    You sir are racist through and through.
    You sir are a leftist not a liberal.
    I think Ledbetter 10 gets it.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    RYME said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    To be a devil's advocate for RYME, when he suggests that not everybody that voted for Trump did it because of Trump's racist rhetoric/agenda, he gets hit with a typical (and wrong) liberal view  that "If you voted for him, you're supporting racism whether you think you're racist or not." So I can't blame him for going with a typical (and wrong) conservative view that "liberals hate America." 
    Not liberals.
    There's a huge difference between liberals and leftists.   Leftists hate America.
    Liberals are patriotic and love America, but have some fundamental  differences with conservatives on how things should be done.  But the two sides don't hate each other.
    Liberals and conservatives have a lot in common.
    The left is an entirely different entity.
    The left hates America no question.
    Liberals are left.  Left is left of center.  I feel like you're creating your own terms here.  
  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,994
    RYME said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    RYME said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    To be a devil's advocate for RYME, when he suggests that not everybody that voted for Trump did it because of Trump's racist rhetoric/agenda, he gets hit with a typical (and wrong) liberal view  that "If you voted for him, you're supporting racism whether you think you're racist or not." So I can't blame him for going with a typical (and wrong) conservative view that "liberals hate America." 
    Not liberals.
    There's a huge difference between liberals and leftists.   Leftists hate America.
    Liberals are patriotic and love America, but have some fundamental difference with conservatives on how things should be done.
    Liberals and conservatives have a lot in common.
    The left is an entirely different entity.
    The left hates America no question.
    Garbage. The right hates blacks, immigrants, women, LGBT folks and anyone who isn’t pasty white, Christian and flies an American flag outside their house. “I love the uneducated.”
    You sir are racist through and through.
    You sir are a leftist not a liberal.
    I think Ledbetter 10 gets it.
    I not sure if it's a matter of me "getting it." I just don't have any party affiliation or bias towards or against either side. If this was sports, I'd be like a ref or a color commentator, and you and Halifax would be fans of the two teams playing. Nothing wrong with that. There's millions of people on one side or the other. It lends to the divide in the country. 
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  • brianlux
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    RYME said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    RYME said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    To be a devil's advocate for RYME, when he suggests that not everybody that voted for Trump did it because of Trump's racist rhetoric/agenda, he gets hit with a typical (and wrong) liberal view  that "If you voted for him, you're supporting racism whether you think you're racist or not." So I can't blame him for going with a typical (and wrong) conservative view that "liberals hate America." 
    Not liberals.
    There's a huge difference between liberals and leftists.   Leftists hate America.
    Liberals are patriotic and love America, but have some fundamental difference with conservatives on how things should be done.
    Liberals and conservatives have a lot in common.
    The left is an entirely different entity.
    The left hates America no question.
    Garbage. The right hates blacks, immigrants, women, LGBT folks and anyone who isn’t pasty white, Christian and flies an American flag outside their house. “I love the uneducated.”
    You sir are racist through and through.
    You sir are a leftist not a liberal.
    I think Ledbetter 10 gets it.
    "pasty white" must be what prompted you to consider Halifax a racist, RYME, but I think he knows that some people on the right are well tanned.  I'm guessing he means "not of mixed race" or "all white". 

    So many accusations of hate.  I would sit down and have a good time with you both. 

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  • RYME
    RYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    RYME said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    RYME said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    To be a devil's advocate for RYME, when he suggests that not everybody that voted for Trump did it because of Trump's racist rhetoric/agenda, he gets hit with a typical (and wrong) liberal view  that "If you voted for him, you're supporting racism whether you think you're racist or not." So I can't blame him for going with a typical (and wrong) conservative view that "liberals hate America." 
    Not liberals.
    There's a huge difference between liberals and leftists.   Leftists hate America.
    Liberals are patriotic and love America, but have some fundamental difference with conservatives on how things should be done.
    Liberals and conservatives have a lot in common.
    The left is an entirely different entity.
    The left hates America no question.
    Garbage. The right hates blacks, immigrants, women, LGBT folks and anyone who isn’t pasty white, Christian and flies an American flag outside their house. “I love the uneducated.”
    You sir are racist through and through.
    You sir are a leftist not a liberal.
    I think Ledbetter 10 gets it.
    One can never say all about practically anything, but Martin Luther king Jr. was a liberal who most conservatives got behind and embraced. Thats what I mean.  Embraced his whole message.
    (the quote button f***ed up again)
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,194
    Team Trump Treason’s base, anywhere from between 35% to 43% of those who voted for him and the previous two repub candidates, anywhere from 20,981,913 to 27,083,476 of American voters, are racist, homophobic, misogynistic and fear “the other.” 

    Claiming Team Trump Treason isn’t racist after knowing the following: discriminated against black renters in the family business, called for the death penalty of five black teens accused of a brutal sexual assault and after being proven innocent via DNA evidence, refused to apologize or take back his statements, implementing a Muslim ban, “both sides are the same,” Mexico sends us not their best but rapists and drug dealers, calling predominantly African American NFL players sons of bitches for exercising their first amendment rights, basking in the glow of chants of “send her home” and following it up with further racist tweets is ignorance, plain and simple. But hey, how about that stock market?
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  • eddiec
    eddiec Posts: 3,959
    RYME said:
    One can never say all about practically anything, but Martin Luther king Jr. was a liberal who most conservatives got behind and embraced. Thats what I mean.  Embraced his whole message.
    (the quote button f***ed up again)
    Huh?
    MLK was despised by most conservatives.

  • vaggar99
    vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,431
    mrussel1 said:
    RYME said:
    Apparently you're never going to get it.
    This is what it's all about nothing more nothing less.
    https://youtu.be/wLNZ1NZuVOk
    Maybe for you, that's all it is.  But I don't know how you can argue that he isn't a race baiter.  Doesn't mean there aren't on the left, but Trump is the president of EVERYONE.  Need to act like it.  
    so its about climbing flagpoles?
  • vaggar99
    vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,431
    RYME said:
    stuckinline said:
    RYME said:
    Apparently you're never going to get it.
    This is what it's all about nothing more nothing less.
    https://youtu.be/wLNZ1NZuVOk
    Look I have the utmost respect for the American flag and the military, but why didn't he just lower the flag to reattach the lower portion?
    How is this related to Trump?
    I dont know  maybe this should have gone in the Kaepernick thread.
    This is the symbolic mindset of the average Trump voter.  Race has nothing to do with it.
    I'm beating a dead horse here, but race has nothing to do with it.
    I do not believe that Trump is racist.  Sorry I don't.
    The Fab Four hate America.  The left loaths America.  Those people in Colorado that hung our flag upside down hate of America.
    This is the polar opposite of that.
    Y'all act like Trump is going to be president forever.   It's 4 to 8 years and then we can all move on to the next series of outrages  regardless of who wins.
    you don't need to keep saying it.  daddy trump only needs  to say it once.  they hate america.  we get it.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    vaggar99 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    RYME said:
    Apparently you're never going to get it.
    This is what it's all about nothing more nothing less.
    https://youtu.be/wLNZ1NZuVOk
    Maybe for you, that's all it is.  But I don't know how you can argue that he isn't a race baiter.  Doesn't mean there aren't on the left, but Trump is the president of EVERYONE.  Need to act like it.  
    so its about climbing flagpoles?
    I didn't even watch the video.  Whatever one says"it's all about", most assuredly does not speak for 300 million.  
  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    I’m not following the difference between liberals and leftists.

     I’m both.  Not the first time I’ve been accused of hating America.  Not the last.


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  • stuckinline
    stuckinline Posts: 3,406
    mrussel1 said:
    vaggar99 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    RYME said:
    Apparently you're never going to get it.
    This is what it's all about nothing more nothing less.
    https://youtu.be/wLNZ1NZuVOk
    Maybe for you, that's all it is.  But I don't know how you can argue that he isn't a race baiter.  Doesn't mean there aren't on the left, but Trump is the president of EVERYONE.  Need to act like it.  
    so its about climbing flagpoles?
    I didn't even watch the video.  Whatever one says"it's all about", most assuredly does not speak for 300 million.  
    Exactly, it does not speak for the 300 million.
    It's a video of a Navy Seal climbing a flag pole to secure the bottom of an American flag. I don't recall anything mentioning the political party of the Seal.
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    I was more impressed with his pole climbing skills...
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  • cincybearcat
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    brianlux said:
    RYME said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    RYME said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    To be a devil's advocate for RYME, when he suggests that not everybody that voted for Trump did it because of Trump's racist rhetoric/agenda, he gets hit with a typical (and wrong) liberal view  that "If you voted for him, you're supporting racism whether you think you're racist or not." So I can't blame him for going with a typical (and wrong) conservative view that "liberals hate America." 
    Not liberals.
    There's a huge difference between liberals and leftists.   Leftists hate America.
    Liberals are patriotic and love America, but have some fundamental difference with conservatives on how things should be done.
    Liberals and conservatives have a lot in common.
    The left is an entirely different entity.
    The left hates America no question.
    Garbage. The right hates blacks, immigrants, women, LGBT folks and anyone who isn’t pasty white, Christian and flies an American flag outside their house. “I love the uneducated.”
    You sir are racist through and through.
    You sir are a leftist not a liberal.
    I think Ledbetter 10 gets it.
    "pasty white" must be what prompted you to consider Halifax a racist, RYME, but I think he knows that some people on the right are well tanned.  I'm guessing he means "not of mixed race" or "all white". 

    So many accusations of hate.  I would sit down and have a good time with you both. 

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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,604
    To me It’s about being a god damn decent human this president is not , he’s shown time & time that is not a quality he understands or possesses the man is a giant asshole..
    if your fine voting for him that’s on you , like someone else stated I feel good about my moral compass and I’ll never ever see this president as anything else but a dick !
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • RYME
    RYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    edited July 2019
    On the moving train, as a conservative, on most issues I've tried to poke around to see if there's any common ground.  Or perhaps give you a little clarification some insight on the other side and some of the whys.  Not trying to convert anyone.
    A few are willing to have a conversation at least even if they disagree, but most just sling mud.
    This is a Nowhere Road
    Door number one or door number two.

    Door #1
    A huge plate full of dog s*** must eat

    Door #2
    A large man with a machete, who will chop one arm off
    Choose
    https://youtu.be/kppBxEkb8to
    What ever ;)


    Post edited by RYME on
  • vaggar99
    vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,431
    RYME said:
    On the moving train, as a conservative, on most issues I've tried to poke around to see if there's any common ground.  Or perhaps give you a little clarification some insight on the other side and some of the whys.  Not trying to convert anyone.
    A few are willing to have a conversation at least even if they disagree, but most just sling mud.
    This is a Nowhere Road
    Door number one or door number two.

    Door #1
    A huge plate full of dog s*** must eat

    Door #2
    A large man with a machete, who will chop one arm off
    Choose
    https://youtu.be/kppBxEkb8to
    What ever ;)


    Trump is no Conservative.  The "Conservatives" are, however, him.  
  • RYME
    RYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    vaggar99 said:
    RYME said:
    On the moving train, as a conservative, on most issues I've tried to poke around to see if there's any common ground.  Or perhaps give you a little clarification some insight on the other side and some of the whys.  Not trying to convert anyone.
    A few are willing to have a conversation at least even if they disagree, but most just sling mud.
    This is a Nowhere Road
    Door number one or door number two.

    Door #1
    A huge plate full of dog s*** must eat

    Door #2
    A large man with a machete, who will chop one arm off
    Choose
    https://youtu.be/kppBxEkb8to
    What ever ;)


    Trump is no Conservative.  The "Conservatives" are, however, him.  
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