Where would you rather live the US or Sweden

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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,561
    edited July 2019
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    pjhawks said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    pjhawks said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    pjhawks said:
    how does our local swedish guy feel about rapper A$AP Rocky being in a Swedish prison for 2 weeks, with no charges filed and the American Embassy trying to get involved?  is this the actions of a fair country?
    Lets wait for Leif GW Perssons comments on it, like any reasonable swede - okey?
    so you can trash our country but refuse to comment on a situation in your own country? come on dude. what is your thoughts?

    neither do i but what does that have to do with your judicial system?
    So what is the problem with our judicial system?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • pjhawks
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    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    pjhawks said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    pjhawks said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    pjhawks said:
    how does our local swedish guy feel about rapper A$AP Rocky being in a Swedish prison for 2 weeks, with no charges filed and the American Embassy trying to get involved?  is this the actions of a fair country?
    Lets wait for Leif GW Perssons comments on it, like any reasonable swede - okey?
    so you can trash our country but refuse to comment on a situation in your own country? come on dude. what is your thoughts?

    neither do i but what does that have to do with your judicial system?
    So what is the problem with our judicial system?
    did you read the article i posted? 2 weeks in jail with no charges, terrible conditions, no guests without guards present.  does the situation sound ok to you?
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,561
    edited July 2019
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    pjhawks said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    pjhawks said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    pjhawks said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    pjhawks said:
    how does our local swedish guy feel about rapper A$AP Rocky being in a Swedish prison for 2 weeks, with no charges filed and the American Embassy trying to get involved?  is this the actions of a fair country?
    Lets wait for Leif GW Perssons comments on it, like any reasonable swede - okey?
    so you can trash our country but refuse to comment on a situation in your own country? come on dude. what is your thoughts?

    neither do i but what does that have to do with your judicial system?
    So what is the problem with our judicial system?
    did you read the article i posted? 2 weeks in jail with no charges, terrible conditions, no guests without guards present.  does the situation sound ok to you?
    You mean these "terrible conditions" his manager or whatever posted about? About not getting "life-sustaining food"?

    Yes. Sounds like Sweden alright! I bet he was Guantanamo bay:d in custody. Funny you take the guys managers PR spin as fact - what is the reason for that?

    I don't know about the specifics - like why he would have restrictions concerning visits, and I get that you, his PR manager and Nicki Minaj want to try to shade Sweden over this. It's kind of funny actually.

    And what is your point about being arrested and in custody with no charges? That is how it works. Or what do you mean? You think it is something some swedes decided to do just for fun and said "fuck the law!" ? How doers it work in the US?

    But yeah, using "terrible conditions" to describe Swedish custody is kind of funny coming from someone in the US.
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,561
    edited July 2019
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    Should be said that his own laywer has said that he was treated correctly in custody.

    And he was arrested and put in custody with the reason of "fear of escaping" during the investigation. This was appealed by his lawyer in two "higher bodies" but they got turned down.

    But you believe his managers PR spin on instagram to rile up TMZ readers instead... because, why?

    and would gladly take your information on how the law works and in what ways the situation would be "not ok"?
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
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    Lets all be happy this didn't happen in the US. Because then I guess it would have been a 50/50 chans the cops would have shot him dead. Him being black and all.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,561
    edited July 2019
    Canada
    Rule of Law index. 

    The World Justice Project Rule of Law Index is an quantitative assessment tool designed to offer a detailed and comprehensive picture of the extent to which countries adhere to the rule of law in practice. The Index provides data on eight dimensions of the rule of law: limited government powers; absence of corruption; order and security; fundamental rights; open government; regulatory enforcement; civil justice; and criminal justice.

    Sweden: 4

    USA: 20

    Lucky him, he got arrested in Sweden and not the US. Look another statistic where the "greatest experiment/country/nation under god" isn't close to the top. But yes - diverse and big. And profits for the 1%.


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  • mrussel1
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    I figured there would be due process laws  but maybe the base legal system is more Nuremberg code rather than the Magna Carta. Disgusting. 
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    mrussel1 said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Heinz sucks big time...
    What?  Do you use Hunt's?
    I do not consume ketchup...but if I were it would be French's.  French's mustard is the best.  
    Yellow mustard sucks.  Now I have my sister mail me Bertman's classic Cleveland Stadium Mustard a few times a year, but I think I'm an outlier there.  Heinz is the best ketchup.  I think I can safely speak for the world and say everyone thinks this but you.  I have a special gift that way.  One other person I know of shares a similar gift of infallible knowledge.  You might know him.  
    Excuse me? Would you have any Grey Poupon?
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
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    mrussel1 said:
    I figured there would be due process laws  but maybe the base legal system is more Nuremberg code rather than the Magna Carta. Disgusting. 
    Cute how one can really see all of the reaching you have to do to find something to post with this little fabricated outrage of yours.

    Let's repeat:




    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,918
    edited July 2019
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    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:
    I figured there would be due process laws  but maybe the base legal system is more Nuremberg code rather than the Magna Carta. Disgusting. 
    Cute how one can really see all of the reaching you have to do to find something to post with this little fabricated outrage of yours.

    Let's repeat:




    Who's outraged? That's not my shtick.  I just don't understand how a person can be held in detention for two weeks during "investigation". No bail hearing? No privileged conversations with an attorney or consulate? Is this standard in Sweden or only because he's black?
    I kid cuz I care..
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  • mrussel1
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Heinz sucks big time...
    What?  Do you use Hunt's?
    I do not consume ketchup...but if I were it would be French's.  French's mustard is the best.  
    Yellow mustard sucks.  Now I have my sister mail me Bertman's classic Cleveland Stadium Mustard a few times a year, but I think I'm an outlier there.  Heinz is the best ketchup.  I think I can safely speak for the world and say everyone thinks this but you.  I have a special gift that way.  One other person I know of shares a similar gift of infallible knowledge.  You might know him.  
    Excuse me? Would you have any Grey Poupon?
    Spicy deli mustard...
  • brianlux
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    Anywhere other than planet earth
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    brianlux said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    brianlux said:
    I was talking to a young couple I know who are living in Sweden while finishing up with schooling (advanced degrees).  They were home in the states for a visit and were describing life in Sweden.  As they went along in their descriptions I kept thinking, "Uh huh... OK... cool... very cool... sweet!..."

    ...and then they got to the part where they were talking about the food over there.  No way, thank you very much!
    What is wrong with their food??
      Limited selection, high cost.  I'm not sure if that means it's because they don't import a lot of stuff which is not a bad thing.  It's better to eat what grows locally in terms of using fewer resources/ energy.  I'd rather have more fresh produce myself.
    What city do they live in? Are we talking supermarket-wise or restaurant-wise?
    As grad students, I don't think they have the time or money for eating out much.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
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  • brianlux
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    Anywhere other than planet earth
    Spiritual_Chaos, you might consider re-naming this thread, "Where would you rather eat, Sweden or the U.S.?"  LOL
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,765
    edited July 2019
    brianlux said:
    Spiritual_Chaos, you might consider re-naming this thread, "Where would you rather eat, Sweden or the U.S.?"  LOL
    he likely would , if he had created it. but fortunately he didnt.
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
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    brianlux said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    brianlux said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    brianlux said:
    I was talking to a young couple I know who are living in Sweden while finishing up with schooling (advanced degrees).  They were home in the states for a visit and were describing life in Sweden.  As they went along in their descriptions I kept thinking, "Uh huh... OK... cool... very cool... sweet!..."

    ...and then they got to the part where they were talking about the food over there.  No way, thank you very much!
    What is wrong with their food??
      Limited selection, high cost.  I'm not sure if that means it's because they don't import a lot of stuff which is not a bad thing.  It's better to eat what grows locally in terms of using fewer resources/ energy.  I'd rather have more fresh produce myself.
    What city do they live in? Are we talking supermarket-wise or restaurant-wise?
    As grad students, I don't think they have the time or money for eating out much.
    At what university are they at?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,561
    edited July 2019
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    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:
    I figured there would be due process laws  but maybe the base legal system is more Nuremberg code rather than the Magna Carta. Disgusting. 
    Cute how one can really see all of the reaching you have to do to find something to post with this little fabricated outrage of yours.

    Let's repeat:




    Who's outraged? That's not my shtick.  I just don't understand how a person can be held in detention for two weeks during "investigation". No bail hearing? No privileged conversations with an attorney or consulate? Is this standard in Sweden or only because he's black?
    I kid cuz I care..
    We don't have a monetary bail system. How many countries even do have that wild-wild-west favor the rich system? And how would that have mattered here - where it was determined there was a risk of fleeing? 

    In Sweden, pre-trial detention is ordered for suspects of offences carrying prison terms of over a year, as long as there is risk of flight, impeding investigation (for instance by destroying evidence) or continuing criminal activity. The detention is reviewed by a court every fortnight; a new remand hearing is required if no legal action has taken place within 14 days.


    And there are three levels of suspicion, and it can go from stronger or weaker depending on the investigation. I would think - with there being video here that this person was on the highest level.

    Defendants' Rights

    Pre-Trial

    Police and prosecutors are responsible for conducting investigations to determine whether an individual should be prosecuted for a crime. Prosecution is mandatory if guilt has been established through the investigation period.

    A defendant is entitled to counsel as soon as reasonable suspicion is established during the investigation stage. The defense attorney may ask the prosecutor to conduct specific investigations on the defendant's behalf.

    There is no right to bail in Sweden although individuals who are released without detention may have their travel restricted by court order.


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  • Spiritual_Chaos
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    edited July 2019
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    Should be noted, with your big interest in Scandinavian Noir crime stories pjhawks that Leif GW Persson thinks that he will be let go from pre-trial detention after the 2 weeks and that him being in custody to begin with was a wonky decision. The Prosecutor do not agree with this assessment.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    mrussel1 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Heinz sucks big time...
    What?  Do you use Hunt's?
    I do not consume ketchup...but if I were it would be French's.  French's mustard is the best.  
    Yellow mustard sucks.  Now I have my sister mail me Bertman's classic Cleveland Stadium Mustard a few times a year, but I think I'm an outlier there.  Heinz is the best ketchup.  I think I can safely speak for the world and say everyone thinks this but you.  I have a special gift that way.  One other person I know of shares a similar gift of infallible knowledge.  You might know him.  
    Excuse me? Would you have any Grey Poupon?
    Spicy deli mustard...
    Perfect for hot Italian sausages with peppers and onions, particularly after a Fenway show.
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  • mcgruff10
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Heinz sucks big time...
    What?  Do you use Hunt's?
    I do not consume ketchup...but if I were it would be French's.  French's mustard is the best.  
    Yellow mustard sucks.  Now I have my sister mail me Bertman's classic Cleveland Stadium Mustard a few times a year, but I think I'm an outlier there.  Heinz is the best ketchup.  I think I can safely speak for the world and say everyone thinks this but you.  I have a special gift that way.  One other person I know of shares a similar gift of infallible knowledge.  You might know him.  
    Excuse me? Would you have any Grey Poupon?
    Spicy deli mustard...
    Perfect for hot Italian sausages with peppers and onions, particularly after a Fenway show.
    Agreed.  Yellow mustard is gross.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,561
    edited July 2019
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    @pjhawks number one source for news: ASAP Rockys Manager: "lack of access to life-sustaining food as well as unsanitary conditions"

    Here is this weeks "lack of life-sustaining" food (not counting breakfast, and evening food (whatever that is called in the US) at the custody in question (google translated so a bit weird in places). Lunch at top and Dinner at bottom. So 4 times a day food is served.

    MondayGoulash soup, cheese, breadHot chickpea stew, rice
    TuesdayBreakfast sausage, horseradish sauce, potatoesItalian chicken, pasta
    WednesdayMeatballs, mashed potatoes, beetroot saladChicken nuggets, sweet chili sauce, vegetable rice
    ThursdayRotfruktssoppaCheesecake, jamPuddle in pan, fried egg, beetroot
    FridayGreek color steak, potato wedges, tzatzikiSpanish fish stew with vegetables, bulgur
    SaturdayChicken with mustard & horseradish, ricePie with minced meat, salad
    SundayLight meat stew, potatoesMushroom crepes, white cabbage salad

    Could it be americans are to used to McDonalds and Taco Bell to understand regular - life-sustainable - food?


    He has also said he has to drink "dirty water" - could it be that coming from US he isn't used to be able to drink tap water? Because, you now ... you folks not having that great water? As the custody themselves say: "Both the people sitting here, and people working here drink the same tap water"


    Unsanitary Conditions - Here is the custody in question:




    And here is how the US treats people from other countries for comparison:




    Maybe @pjhawks@mrussel1 Nicki Minaj and the US congress should focus on those conditions instead?
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