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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,111
    mickeyrat said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    From what I read they are going after those ordered deported already?  What are they suppose to do, not enforce the law?  It's no different than police arresting someone who has a warrant out for your arrest...if you been ordered out and don't go you are breaking the law.

    This is just dumb lol. I mean there is zero correlation.  These people that trump is targeting broke the law. You might not agree or like it but they were supposed to be deported as ordered by the courts.     How is it any different than arresting an actual citizen who broke the law?  I am no trump fan but if he follows what he says then I have no problem with it.  

    And this a huge problem with the Democratic Party.  Many people believe (no statistics available) that the dems care more about illegal immigrants than actual citizens of this country. 
    so it comes down to, to what severity do we establish a deport order is? Is it serious felony worthy? You know, where teams are sent out on arrest warrants? Or more along the misdemeanor, we'll arrest you when we come across you.

    Given most immigration offenses are civil in nature( I think) and not criminal, unless the deport orders come as a result of adjudicated criminal acts, should there be these raids?

    further, just who are they targeting here? What of the ones who have appealed? Are they under threat? Given this admins direction , I would say there is no distinction.
    https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/14/politics/ice-raids-undocumented-immigrants/index.html
    Acting US Citizenship and Immigration Services director Ken Cuccinelli took issue with referring to the targets of the raids as undocumented.
    "They're not undocumented. They've got a court order on a piece of paper -- federal order -- that says they've gotten due process, and (there are) over a million people with removal orders. That's the pool that ICE is drawing from," he told CNN.

    So they've had due process and have been asked to leave but still haven't.  I'm wondering if this would even be newsworthy under any other President.  
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,308
    mcgruff10 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    From what I read they are going after those ordered deported already?  What are they suppose to do, not enforce the law?  It's no different than police arresting someone who has a warrant out for your arrest...if you been ordered out and don't go you are breaking the law.

    This is just dumb lol. I mean there is zero correlation.  These people that trump is targeting broke the law. You might not agree or like it but they were supposed to be deported as ordered by the courts.     How is it any different than arresting an actual citizen who broke the law?  I am no trump fan but if he follows what he says then I have no problem with it.  

    And this a huge problem with the Democratic Party.  Many people believe (no statistics available) that the dems care more about illegal immigrants than actual citizens of this country. 
    so it comes down to, to what severity do we establish a deport order is? Is it serious felony worthy? You know, where teams are sent out on arrest warrants? Or more along the misdemeanor, we'll arrest you when we come across you.

    Given most immigration offenses are civil in nature( I think) and not criminal, unless the deport orders come as a result of adjudicated criminal acts, should there be these raids?

    further, just who are they targeting here? What of the ones who have appealed? Are they under threat? Given this admins direction , I would say there is no distinction.
    https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/14/politics/ice-raids-undocumented-immigrants/index.html
    Acting US Citizenship and Immigration Services director Ken Cuccinelli took issue with referring to the targets of the raids as undocumented.
    "They're not undocumented. They've got a court order on a piece of paper -- federal order -- that says they've gotten due process, and (there are) over a million people with removal orders. That's the pool that ICE is drawing from," he told CNN.

    So they've had due process and have been asked to leave but still haven't.  I'm wondering if this would even be newsworthy under any other President.  
    whats come since he was sworn in lends to that kind of scrutiny. rightly so.  We simply cant give benefit of doubt. Maybe at first, but that ending within the first week.
    So look for the stories where ONLY those specifically sought after under these orders were apprehended and sent back BUT no one else at the same apprehension.

    And Cuccinelli is using "undocumented" in a shitheel way. It should go without saying what it mrans in immigration context.

    Lastly, will the admin exercise the same zeal in those who have overstayed a visa of whatever type?

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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,448
    edited July 2019
    How did this "illegal immigrants is part of the very foundation of our work force" come to be in the states?

    I find it quite weird, the notion of having a bunch of people in a country, without knowing who they are and where... and also them being able to work. 

    Do they pay taxes on their income? How does that work?
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,810
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    How did this "illegal immigrants is part of the very foundation of our work force" come to be in the states?

    I find it quite weird, the notion of having a bunch of people in a country, without knowing who they are and where... and also them being able to work. 

    Do they pay taxes on their income? How does that work?
    Since the employer is required to take taxes out of their paychecks, yes in general most are paying income taxes.  And of course paying sales tax when they purchase things.

    AS for having so many illegal immigrants in the country, most come in legal and overstay.  It's pretty embarrassing really.  Of course if you try to find them and deport them you are called a racist, so probably why our politicians have sit back and watched as this mess has gotten worse and worse.
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,541
    mickeyrat said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    From what I read they are going after those ordered deported already?  What are they suppose to do, not enforce the law?  It's no different than police arresting someone who has a warrant out for your arrest...if you been ordered out and don't go you are breaking the law.

    This is just dumb lol. I mean there is zero correlation.  These people that trump is targeting broke the law. You might not agree or like it but they were supposed to be deported as ordered by the courts.     How is it any different than arresting an actual citizen who broke the law?  I am no trump fan but if he follows what he says then I have no problem with it.  

    And this a huge problem with the Democratic Party.  Many people believe (no statistics available) that the dems care more about illegal immigrants than actual citizens of this country. 
    so it comes down to, to what severity do we establish a deport order is? Is it serious felony worthy? You know, where teams are sent out on arrest warrants? Or more along the misdemeanor, we'll arrest you when we come across you.

    Given most immigration offenses are civil in nature( I think) and not criminal, unless the deport orders come as a result of adjudicated criminal acts, should there be these raids?

    further, just who are they targeting here? What of the ones who have appealed? Are they under threat? Given this admins direction , I would say there is no distinction.
    https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/14/politics/ice-raids-undocumented-immigrants/index.html
    Acting US Citizenship and Immigration Services director Ken Cuccinelli took issue with referring to the targets of the raids as undocumented.
    "They're not undocumented. They've got a court order on a piece of paper -- federal order -- that says they've gotten due process, and (there are) over a million people with removal orders. That's the pool that ICE is drawing from," he told CNN.

    So they've had due process and have been asked to leave but still haven't.  I'm wondering if this would even be newsworthy under any other President.  
    whats come since he was sworn in lends to that kind of scrutiny. rightly so.  We simply cant give benefit of doubt. Maybe at first, but that ending within the first week.
    So look for the stories where ONLY those specifically sought after under these orders were apprehended and sent back BUT no one else at the same apprehension.

    And Cuccinelli is using "undocumented" in a shitheel way. It should go without saying what it mrans in immigration context.

    Lastly, will the admin exercise the same zeal in those who have overstayed a visa of whatever type?


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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,541
    https://www.factcheck.org/2018/06/is-illegal-immigration-linked-to-more-or-less-crime/
    uhmm !
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,541
    So are immigrants more violent ? 
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,810
    josevolution said:
    So are immigrants more violent ? 
    Which 'immigrants' are you talking about? 
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,810
    https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/16/politics/republicans-who-criticize-trump-immigration-analysis/index.html

    Interesting article.  Kinda obvious I guess but hadn't thought about it.  We are becoming more and more polarized with each election.
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,541
    cincybearcat said:
    josevolution said:
    So are immigrants more violent ? 
    Which 'immigrants' are you talking about? 
    Southern immigrants Central Americans 
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    cincybearcat said:
    https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/16/politics/republicans-who-criticize-trump-immigration-analysis/index.html

    Interesting article.  Kinda obvious I guess but hadn't thought about it.  We are becoming more and more polarized with each election.
    While true, somewhat irrelevant.  The House can pass a reform bill without the moderates.  It's the Senate that is the issue, both on legislation and Trump's language.  What happened to Collins, Gardner, Murkowski, Graham and the rest of the moderate to rational Republicans in the Senate?
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,810
    mrussel1 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/16/politics/republicans-who-criticize-trump-immigration-analysis/index.html

    Interesting article.  Kinda obvious I guess but hadn't thought about it.  We are becoming more and more polarized with each election.
    While true, somewhat irrelevant.  The House can pass a reform bill without the moderates.  It's the Senate that is the issue, both on legislation and Trump's language.  What happened to Collins, Gardner, Murkowski, Graham and the rest of the moderate to rational Republicans in the Senate?
    In a broader sense though...moderates being run out of the government.  Only the former fringe  surviving.  Doesn't make for a very good government.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    cincybearcat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/16/politics/republicans-who-criticize-trump-immigration-analysis/index.html

    Interesting article.  Kinda obvious I guess but hadn't thought about it.  We are becoming more and more polarized with each election.
    While true, somewhat irrelevant.  The House can pass a reform bill without the moderates.  It's the Senate that is the issue, both on legislation and Trump's language.  What happened to Collins, Gardner, Murkowski, Graham and the rest of the moderate to rational Republicans in the Senate?
    In a broader sense though...moderates being run out of the government.  Only the former fringe  surviving.  Doesn't make for a very good government.
    Yes agreed.  Purity tests piss me off. 
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,002
    Why aren’t we building a wall along the Canadian border again? Oh, that’s right, Team Trump Treason is in office.

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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Can build a fence if you want.  Good luck putting up the fence in the Detroit River, Lake Erie, Lake Superior, Lake Huron, St. Clair. River...etc.LMFAO
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,448

    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    It would seem to me that if one of the top Customs and Border Patrol agent is not sure if a three year old child is a "criminal or national security threat", he might not be the best person for the job. I'm no border patrol agent, but I think I know what threats a three year old poses (to sleep, sanity, and patience) and what threats she doesn't (national security). 

    This and other tidbits came out in the testimony of the Chief of law enforcement for CBP this week. Lies and obfuscations seemed to abound.

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/07/cbp-chief-brian-hastings-family-separation-judiciary-hearing-not-mueller.html

    Hastings also claimed that Francisco Galicia, an 18 year old US citizen who was apprehended at the border and held for a month, did not inform border patrol of his citizenship, which is odd, because border patrol also claimed that they held him because they believed he was "falsely claiming US citizenship". 

    https://thehill.com/latino/454837-border-patrol-official-testifies-citizen-who-was-detained-for-nearly-a-month-didnt-say
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    oftenreading said:
    It would seem to me that if one of the top Customs and Border Patrol agent is not sure if a three year old child is a "criminal or national security threat", he might not be the best person for the job. I'm no border patrol agent, but I think I know what threats a three year old poses (to sleep, sanity, and patience) and what threats she doesn't (national security). 

    This and other tidbits came out in the testimony of the Chief of law enforcement for CBP this week. Lies and obfuscations seemed to abound.

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/07/cbp-chief-brian-hastings-family-separation-judiciary-hearing-not-mueller.html

    Hastings also claimed that Francisco Galicia, an 18 year old US citizen who was apprehended at the border and held for a month, did not inform border patrol of his citizenship, which is odd, because border patrol also claimed that they held him because they believed he was "falsely claiming US citizenship". 

    https://thehill.com/latino/454837-border-patrol-official-testifies-citizen-who-was-detained-for-nearly-a-month-didnt-say
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  • josevolution
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    https://www.alternativenation.net/eddie-vedder-family-reveal-heartbreaking-emergency/
    Def don’t like the title of this article but the point stands ! 
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  • The Juggler
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    It was only a matter of time before someone acted in response to this supposed “invasion.”  


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