Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez

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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,220
    edited July 2019
    Anyone thinking there was a reason for them to legitimate that alt right youtube channel is plainly dumb. Or seriously dishonest with their fake "I mean, for their sake- this could really blow up you know? They should definitely take the time to legitimate muslim-haters. Why aren't they on Alex Jones. get on Alex Jones women. For your sake. Why are they exactly like Trump?"
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    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,552
    They didn't answer a question from a trashy reporter, who works for an organization with a horrible reputation with a video camera. There is literally no story here what so ever. 
    Part of politics today is eliminating the story.  While they may be trashy (I've never heard of them myself), they were in the halls of Congress.  I'd like to see her play it a bit differently. 
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,576
    mcgruff10 said:
    Halifax already linked that.  Holy deja vu!
    But yet another similarity with Trump, we only answer questions from news reporters that we like.  
    You're literally comparing "The Rebel" with The Washington Fucking Post.


    I gotta get out of the spiral of stupidity this thread has turned into. Good lord people!
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 28,945
    Anyone thinking there was a reason for them to legitimate that alt right youtube channel is plainly dumb. Or seriously dishonest with their fake "I mean, for their sake- this could really blow up you know? They should definitely take the time to legitimate muslim-haters. Why aren't they on Alex Jones. get on Alex Jones women. For your sake."
    Seriously what the hell are you talking about?  And who are you quoting?  
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,576
    Anyone thinking there was a reason for them to legitimate that alt right youtube channel is plainly dumb. Or seriously dishonest with their fake "I mean, for their sake- this could really blow up you know? They should definitely take the time to legitimate muslim-haters. Why aren't they on Alex Jones. get on Alex Jones women. For your sake. Why are they exactly like Trump?"
    Yeah. I bet there are some videos of Alex Jones ambushing politicians with gotcha questions like this. Same thing. 
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,220
    mcgruff10 said:
    Seriously what the hell are you talking about?  And who are you quoting?  
    I'm talking about Rocky III. I'm quoting Clubber Lang.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,956
    I like Ledbetterman, but I hate the practice of quickly googling something to support your argument without even looking into the source or context of it. I guess we're all guilty of it from time to time. This one seems egregious to me though. 
    I think that's a fair criticism. But at the same time, I did say in a previous post that it was from a conservative website that most people here would likely dismiss. Most of you guys dismiss everything from Fox News, so of course any conservative outlet of lesser prestige is going to be dismissed. So if you guys dismiss EVERYTHING that comes from right-leaning outfits, what difference does it make if the source of this was Rebel Media? If it was Fox News it'd be dismissed the same way. And since no liberal outlet would every call out these women, sometimes you have to dig deep...even if you get shit on your hands
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,576
    mrussel1 said:
    Part of politics today is eliminating the story.  While they may be trashy (I've never heard of them myself), they were in the halls of Congress.  I'd like to see her play it a bit differently. 
    Yeah but they're dealing with a reporter acting in bad faith here. The Rebel, right? So let's say they answer like you normally would to a legit reporter that they're not aware of the facts yada yada....then this fucking clown tells her his perception of what happened (given "The Rebel's reputation, it will surely be slanted in a certain way to make her look bad or box them in in some way) and then they're in a worse situation then just walking past them. They did the right thing.

    I see politicians walk away from legitimate reporters without issuing a comment all the time. This "story" does not deserve our time.
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 28,945
    edited July 2019
    You're literally comparing "The Rebel" with The Washington Fucking Post.


    I gotta get out of the spiral of stupidity this thread has turned into. Good lord people!
    I m not comparing the quality of the paper but the refusal to answer. Like I said, a no comment right now would have ended it. I think the job of a politician is to answer questions from everyone.  
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,576
    edited July 2019
    I think that's a fair criticism. But at the same time, I did say in a previous post that it was from a conservative website that most people here would likely dismiss. Most of you guys dismiss everything from Fox News, so of course any conservative outlet of lesser prestige is going to be dismissed. So if you guys dismiss EVERYTHING that comes from right-leaning outfits, what difference does it make if the source of this was Rebel Media? If it was Fox News it'd be dismissed the same way. And since no liberal outlet would every call out these women, sometimes you have to dig deep...even if you get shit on your hands
    You guys? I don't dismiss Fox News. I dismiss their opinion hosts. Their news organization is quite different....and vastly different from trash websites like Rebel Media. Not even in the same universe. We're comparing apples to door knobs.  You dug way too deep. Go take a shower.


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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,220
    edited July 2019
    mcgruff10 said:
    I m not comparing the quality of the paper but the refusal to answer. Like I said, a no comment right now would have ended it. 
    Let me guess how it would have sounded then:

    "'No comments right now'? Did you guys hear that. She can't even condemn an attack by Antifa? Man these left winged crazies. What is there to comment? Trump doesn't condemn at once and everyone goes crazy -- Now this muslim-woman says "No comments right now" to an actively anti-muslim right winged youtube channel? These liberals I tell ya! ANTIFA supporters!"

    I would say it wouldn't have ended shit, for those who looks for reason to start something up.
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,956
    You guys? I don't dismiss Fox News. I dismiss their opinion hosts. Their news organization is quite different....and vastly different from trash websites like Rebel Media. Not even in the same universe. We're comparing apples to door knobs.  You dug way too deep. Go take a shower.
    Well then I very much take it back when I say "you guys." I'll change it "some guys" and issue you an apology. I totally agree that Fox News really isn't that bad. The opinion hosts are propagandists (so are the opinion hosts on the other channels) but the reporting is just fine. 

    Top of the 5th and the five-run lead has shrunk to one. You know I'm not going to go take a shower. 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 40,858
    You get all your news (presumably) from left-wing outlets that aren't going to talk about ANTIFA attacks so you're not going find anything "reputable." And really? Because they consider ICE "evil" they should excuse attempts of violence against them? And quit bringing Trump into EVERYTHING. It's pathetic. Yes, he's a racist, bigoted moron. Nobody's arguing that. But he's not the only person in Washington worth taking a closer look at. 

    And the Bundy standoff was like 3 years ago. I don't recall any discussion about it. But since we're talking about it now (for some reason), sure I condemn it. 

    And I love how you say I'm being "hysterical." I posted two videos that are relevant to this thread because AOC is involved. You and Spiritual Chaos are the ones with your panties in a bunch over it. You guys seem like the hysterical ones. 
    Prior to your post I hadn’t posted anything about it. Wallow in your faux outrage. Whateva.  :)
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,220
    Prior to your post I hadn’t posted anything about it. Wallow in your faux outrage. Whateva.  :)
    Haha.
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,956
    Prior to your post I hadn’t posted anything about it. Wallow in your faux outrage. Whateva.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 40,858
    Shoot the messenger?

    I think a potential good reason they didn’t answer was if they knew this news source and just won’t talk. Or if they had no details and didn’t know what happened yet. 
    My hysteria requires I consider the source.
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,956
    edited July 2019
    Always picking and choosing what you want to respond to. Yeah Bundy standoff, "faux outrage." "Whateva" is right. If you want to minimize they're silence because you don't respect Rebel media (or whatever it's called), that's fine. But to say it was "an attack on a representation of what they consider evil" almost sounds like your justifying domestic terrorism. So what if they consider ICE evil? It's not. And even if it was, that's not a good reason to attack if you're an ANTIFA maniac. 


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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 40,858
    Always picking and choosing what you want to respond to. Yeah Bundy standoff, "faux outrage." "Whateva" is right. 
    You threatened to not respond to my posts. I’m impressed with your will power.  :)
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,552
    Yeah but they're dealing with a reporter acting in bad faith here. The Rebel, right? So let's say they answer like you normally would to a legit reporter that they're not aware of the facts yada yada....then this fucking clown tells her his perception of what happened (given "The Rebel's reputation, it will surely be slanted in a certain way to make her look bad or box them in in some way) and then they're in a worse situation then just walking past them. They did the right thing.

    I see politicians walk away from legitimate reporters without issuing a comment all the time. This "story" does not deserve our time.
    I agree it's a non-story, but one of our members brought it up, so here we are.  

    How about two scenarios:  
    1. She knows who they are:
    "Sorry, I don't provide comments to right wing shills/partisan hacks/apologists for a racist/propagandists (take your pick)", and be done with it.

    2. She doesn't know who they are:
    "I don't know the story, I can't comment until I learn more".  If they press or try to tell the story "Sorry, I don't know who you are and who you represent, so you'll have to forgive me if I don't take your information as fact.  I'll rely on news sources who I know".  

    That's how I would have handled it.  I would have jumped at an opportunity to insult them if I knew who they were.  
  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,956
    edited July 2019
    You threatened to not respond to my posts. I’m impressed with your will power.  :)
    No I stopped responding to that particular conversation because it was fucking ridiculous (You running away from the NRA thread where you said me and someone else laugh at dead children and then having the nerve to give me shit a day or two later for not using the search function to find out your Tom Brady/Donald Trump views). And I have made a point to not bother responding to your posts that are about the usual (Team Trump Treason, Mueller, etc.). But when you respond to me as you have here, I have to respond back. 

    Here's the rest of my last post...as I hit submit too soon and didn't finish editing: If you want to minimize their silence because you don't respect Rebel media (or whatever it's called), that's fine. But to say it was "an attack on a representation of what they consider evil" almost sounds like your justifying domestic terrorism. So what if they consider ICE evil? It's not. And even if it was, that's not a good reason to attack if you're an ANTIFA maniac. 
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,552
    Nice!  I saw them open for the Stones on the Steel Wheels tour, probably 89.  Funny that the rumor at the time, at least in Cleveland, was that the lead singer was Hendrix's son!  People were idiots.  
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,478
    Jesus you're unbelievable. Who cares what the source is or what Rebel Media is? Or even their agenda is. Okay so that wikipedia link shows them to be a far-right outfit in the Breitbart realm. Okay fine. Not a place I'd go for my news with regularity. But that's where google took me and that guy had the credentials to be walking those halls asking questions. All three of those women could have just said yes to his question and condemned the attack. But of course they didn't. And of course you're trying to make excuses for them. I get it though. Trump is awful. They are in direct opposition of Trump. So of course you're going to defend them. Whatever. 
    That source it such trash I won't even click on it to give them any views. That's how bad it is. 

    We have been dealing with Rebel media and Ezra Levant for years in Alberta (where it comes from), believe me, it is total garbage.

    Post a better source and I will check it out.

  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,956
    edited July 2019
    dignin said:
    That source it such trash I won't even click on it to give them any views. That's how bad it is. 

    We have been dealing with Rebel media and Ezra Levant for years in Alberta (where it comes from), believe me, it is total garbage.

    Post a better source and I will check it out.

    No I do believe ya. At this point, I  have to concede it's a crap source. "Canada's Breitbart" isn't exactly a ringing endorsement. I'm not so stubborn that I'm going to die on this mountain. So no mas, no mas. It was a crap source. I concede. 

    Still, if it was a reporter from a more respectable outfit, would she answer then? Maybe she'd say "I unequivocally condemn all acts of violence against a government building. And I am disgusted that the Seattle ANTIFA is making this man out to be some sort of martyr. That man could have done very serious harm to migrants that already suffering in ICE's Nazi lockup. ANTIFA is dangerous." She might say that. But probably not. 
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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,478
    No I do believe ya. At this point, I  have to concede it's a crap source. "Canada's Breitbart" isn't exactly a ringing endorsement. I'm not so stubborn that I'm going to die on this mountain. So no mas, no mas. It was a crap source. I concede. 

    Still, if it was a reporter from a more respectable outfit, would she answer then? Maybe she'd say "I unequivocally condemn all acts of violence against a government building. And I am disgusted that the Seattle ANTIFA is making this man out to be some sort of martyr. That man could have done very serious harm to migrants that already suffering in ICE's Nazi lockup. ANTIFA is dangerous." She might say that. But probably not. 
    Yeah, I'm not trying to harp on you at all. You're an honest person here. Just wanted to share my experience with Rebel Media, not a legitimate trusted source.

    Is there a source about the initial incident that the "journalist" was asking about? Never heard about it.
  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,956
    edited July 2019
    dignin said:
    Yeah, I'm not trying to harp on you at all. You're an honest person here. Just wanted to share my experience with Rebel Media, not a legitimate trusted source.

    Is there a source about the initial incident that the "journalist" was asking about? Never heard about it.
    I'm not sure but as I look back through this thread, and do a quick google search of this guy and seeing he worked at a white supremacist store, refers to himself as "Commie tantrum catalyst" (which Spiritual Chaos did point out), I wonder how the hell does someone like this even have this access to the  congresspeople? I dunno, I guess I just figured that only highest-credentialed people would be allowed to roam those halls where the congresspeople walk to meetings/sessions. And I thought it was a fair-enough question. AOC and Omar are "woke" far-leftists who may support ANTIFA (even if only in theory), so I was kinda interested to hear what they'd say. But in fairness to the squad, when you're making national headlines battling nose to nose with the president of the United States, it's hard to be expected to take the time to answer this guy's questions: https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1136717164512129024/5pN_SL29_400x400.png
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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,478
    I'm not sure but as I look back through this thread, and do a quick google search of this guy and seeing he worked at a white supremacist store, refers to himself as "Commie tantrum catalyst" (which Spiritual Chaos did point out), I wonder how the hell does someone like this even have this access to the  congresspeople? I dunno, I guess I just figured that only highest-credentialed people would be allowed to roam those halls where the congresspeople walk to meetings/sessions. And I thought it was a fair-enough question. AOC and Omar are "woke" far-leftists who may support ANTIFA (even if only in theory), so I was kinda interested to hear what they'd say. But in fairness to the squad, when you're making national headlines battling nose to nose with the president of the United States, it's hard to be expected to take the time to answer this guy's questions: https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1136717164512129024/5pN_SL29_400x400.png
    Jesus, that guy is the poster boy for white power.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 40,858
    dignin said:
    Jesus, that guy is the poster boy for white power.
    Virgin white power.
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,855
    Late to the party here because there was dinner to be had, but I’ve got to agree with dignin - I wouldn’t wipe my shoes on Rebel Media for fear they would just get dirtier. No way am I giving them the benefit of the doubt here. 
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,867
    Late to the party here because there was dinner to be had, but I’ve got to agree with dignin - I wouldn’t wipe my shoes on Rebel Media for fear they would just get dirtier. No way am I giving them the benefit of the doubt here. 
    Late too.  Questions not pointed at u directly, asking the group.

    1-Do you think for a second that "rebel media" is going to be given verbal credit on say Fox if they show the video?  

    2-I can picture this story getting HUGE and zero to none, background info gets talked about the source.

    3-Was anyone else singled out about the attacks?  Only these 4?  Any other law makers, Republicans?  That would be the other talking point.

    This was a well setup ambush but can't be ignored.  It's things like this that can ruin a politician.




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