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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,981
    EdsonNascimento said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mrussel1 said:
    EdsonNascimento said:
    This is how you bend the cost curve and create better quality of living (and not by simply throwing more money at it - which is a bizarre way to reduce cost in the first place) -

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/how-trumps-executive-order-could-save-lives-by-transforming-how-the-us-treats-kidney-disease/ar-AAEbt5C?li=BBnb7Kz


    So the solution to the cost curve is executive order, not legislation.  That's an interesting take on the role of government.  We don't like the bicameral Constitutional process, we like the monarch process.  
    Monarch is putting it too kindly. Authoritarian is more like it.
    You know how that works?   All an executive order is in this case is to tell a Department of the government (which he oversees) to move toward proposing and implementing rules accordingly.  And if you read you’ll notice the most pertinent quotes belong to Seema Verma who is brilliant.   So, yeah. A program carefully researched and crafted by his staff (as HHS reports to him) has turned into a directive for them to implement. And you have a problem with that?   Better we implement thousands of pages of shit in a vanity project that nobody had the chance to read and consider in depth nor had any chance to do what the purveyor claims it to do?

    But beside that, ignore the actual action for your preconceived disposition.   You’re actually criticizing help with kidney disease and streamlining organ donation.  Lol.  

    So going to the issue at hand - do you disagree with helping people with kidney disease treat their disease more effectively, provide a better quality of life and ultimately save the system money?  Or do you think this program won’t do that?  Please opine. 
    If your point is about a very specific issue, kidney disease, fine.  No problem.  If you're talking about bending the cost curve of healthcare in this country, then no, EO is not the way to go about it.  
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,130
    EdsonNascimento said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mrussel1 said:
    EdsonNascimento said:
    This is how you bend the cost curve and create better quality of living (and not by simply throwing more money at it - which is a bizarre way to reduce cost in the first place) -

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/how-trumps-executive-order-could-save-lives-by-transforming-how-the-us-treats-kidney-disease/ar-AAEbt5C?li=BBnb7Kz


    So the solution to the cost curve is executive order, not legislation.  That's an interesting take on the role of government.  We don't like the bicameral Constitutional process, we like the monarch process.  
    Monarch is putting it too kindly. Authoritarian is more like it.
    You know how that works?   All an executive order is in this case is to tell a Department of the government (which he oversees) to move toward proposing and implementing rules accordingly.  And if you read you’ll notice the most pertinent quotes belong to Seema Verma who is brilliant.   So, yeah. A program carefully researched and crafted by his staff (as HHS reports to him) has turned into a directive for them to implement. And you have a problem with that?   Better we implement thousands of pages of shit in a vanity project that nobody had the chance to read and consider in depth nor had any chance to do what the purveyor claims it to do?

    But beside that, ignore the actual action for your preconceived disposition.   You’re actually criticizing help with kidney disease and streamlining organ donation.  Lol.  

    So going to the issue at hand - do you disagree with helping people with kidney disease treat their disease more effectively, provide a better quality of life and ultimately save the system money?  Or do you think this program won’t do that?  Please opine. 
    No, and I haven’t read up on the particulars and think it’s premature to assume it’s going to do all the things that you claim. That said, I hope it’s successful but I was taking issue with the general idea of using EOs to get things done, particularly after the intense criticism from Obama’s detractors when the repub house and senate blocked him from pretty much everything and he had to issue EOs to get shit done. Seems this could have been part of a healthcare bill that Team Trump Treason campaigned on being better and cheaper than Obamacare. 9 years on and still no repub alternative other than going to court to kick people off of health insurance. Wonder how effective this EO will be when less folks have health insurance? Let’s check back in a year or two, yes?
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    EdsonNascimento said:
    This is how you bend the cost curve and create better quality of living (and not by simply throwing more money at it - which is a bizarre way to reduce cost in the first place) -

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/how-trumps-executive-order-could-save-lives-by-transforming-how-the-us-treats-kidney-disease/ar-AAEbt5C?li=BBnb7Kz


    Most of that would not be necessary if the US had a functioning, integrated health care system. You'll notice that the comments are about how to pay for the necessary care and how to revamp an outdated system, not any actual progress in care. 
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  • stuckinline
    stuckinline Posts: 3,407
    edited July 2019


    What the f**k?
  • Renfield
    Renfield NYC NY Posts: 1,054
    stuckinline said:


    What the f**k?
    🤢 🤮 
  • vaggar99
    vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,431
    yep, we live in a pretty dumb country.
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,656
    https://youtu.be/NI0_mEMaTyE
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 32,101
    vaggar99 said:
    yep, we live in a pretty dumb country.
    But remember it’s the best dumb country!
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  • Renfield
    Renfield NYC NY Posts: 1,054
    josevolution said:
    vaggar99 said:
    yep, we live in a pretty dumb country.
    But remember it’s the best dumb country!
    What if we get dumber in 2020😩
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 32,101
    Renfield said:
    josevolution said:
    vaggar99 said:
    yep, we live in a pretty dumb country.
    But remember it’s the best dumb country!
    What if we get dumber in 2020😩
    I’d say we are doomed and I believe this country has enough idiots to vote for him again a 2nd term !
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  • Renfield
    Renfield NYC NY Posts: 1,054
    josevolution said:
    Renfield said:
    josevolution said:
    vaggar99 said:
    yep, we live in a pretty dumb country.
    But remember it’s the best dumb country!
    What if we get dumber in 2020😩
    I’d say we are doomed and I believe this country has enough idiots to vote for him again a 2nd term !
    I agree and live with dread that Trump will win again. 
  • CM189191
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,656
    CM189191 said:

    Ideals.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,656
    https://youtu.be/v_zaeohJuCQ

    Some people on here voted for this man. And you know, share the same ideals.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mfc2006
    mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,491
    Unfuckingreal. 


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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,640
    Breaking news......the currently elected president (who some on here proudly voted for) is a racist, xenophobic, piece of shite.....




  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,656
    Bentleyspop said:
    Breaking news......the currently elected president (who some on here proudly voted for) is a racist, xenophobic, piece of shite.....




    @RYME still team trump?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 32,101
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    Breaking news......the currently elected president (who some on here proudly voted for) is a racist, xenophobic, piece of shite.....




    @RYME still team trump?
    None of his supporters will even bat an eye about this as long as the economy is doing well !
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  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    josevolution said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    Breaking news......the currently elected president (who some on here proudly voted for) is a racist, xenophobic, piece of shite.....




    @RYME still team trump?
    None of his supporters will even bat an eye about this as long as the economy is doing well !
    His supporters understand 3D chess.
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