Have to agree with the latest round of comments in this thread. AOC and her posse really are going to be the downfall of the party in 2020, and will assist Drumpf in getting reelected. Now, I'm no fan of the Dotard-in-Chief's first born idiot, and one must wade through chest-high bullshit in this article, but he makes some good points about Pelosi vis a vis the AOC gang, and the pandering the Dem candidates to to appease them. I've said that I don't think that will play in the general when a candidate is trying to garner votes from not only the party activists, but the party stalwarts, the centrist/moderate votes, and the disillusioned refugees/#nevertrump members from the GOP. 

Donald Trump will win the Democratic Party civil war

Again, lots of bullshit in this article, but the sentiment is clear, and the warnings should be listened to by the Dems. If Pelosi loses her control of the party to the AOC gang, Trump is a shoe-in for re-election.

brianlux said:

I'm very glad to see this thread open again!  I concur with tempo_n_groove , let keep our cool and keep it open!

I didn't even know it was closed.  I don't think I was responsible for this one, so I feel kind of bad about that.  

Couple of things on this issue, from my view:
1. Pelosi is right.  I don't know if you guys saw what AOC's top aide actually posted about moderate dems, but he accused them of being the new Southern Democrates of the 40's and of voting to put kids in cages.  This is outrageous. 
2. There were a total of four Dems who voted against the package, yet AOC sees the commonality of those four as their color and sex, not how they voted.  That's curious.
3. Pelosi is a good leader.  Rather than let the circular firing squad begin, she is publicly allowing the freshmen to aim their fire at her, rather than at the moderate Democrats.  This is leadership.  

Keep it up AOC, I cannot get enough of your race/gender baiting babbling bullshit against your own party!

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJPOWER said:

Keep it up AOC, I cannot get enough of your race/gender baiting babbling bullshit against your own party!

I'm surprised trump hasn't tweeted something similar to this. 

Honestly, I am to.  He’s either taking notes from her about how to destroy the Democratic Party or trying to figure out how to get close enough to grab her by the ......  Maybe both.  Regardless, their infighting could give him a solid boost in 2020.

Something obviously needs to change in Washington.  Republicans are the biggest part of the problem (I used to be a Republican) but overall Washington needs reform and it won't happen until people yell loud enough.  AOC claiming that Pelosi is racist is not going to help Democrats though. 

mrussel1 said:

Very confusing...  I'll chalk this up to the same thing as Harris criticizing Biden for busing, and then later saying she doesn't support busing..

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/452602-ocasio-cortez-explains-her-criticism-of-pelosi-says-shes-absolutely-not-racist

Can't you just here Neil Young singing "FLIP...FLOP...FLIP...FLOP..."?!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/pelosi-defends-handling-of-squad-as-democrats-fume-about-ocasio-cortezs-top-aide/2019/07/11/985c52a6-a3e7-11e9-bd56-eac6bb02d01d_story.html?utm_term=.0cad81b1b20e

And for those without access..  

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Thursday defended her treatment of four liberal freshman lawmakers, including Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who has accused her of targeting “newly elected women of color” through a series of public remarks dismissing their political influence inside the House. Pelosi refused to respond directly to Ocasio-Cortez’s accusation at a Thursday news conference but said she had to speak out to defend her moderate members after Ocasio-Cortez’s top aide accused them of racist actions. “Our members took offense at that. I addressed that. How they’re interpreting and carrying it to another place is up to them, but I’m not going to be discussing it any further,” Pelosi (D-Calif.) told reporters. Saikat Chakrabarti, Ocasio-Cortez’s chief of staff, referred to moderate Democratic groups in a tweet last month as “New Southern Democrats” who are “hell bent to do to black and brown people today what the old Southern Democrats did in the 40s.” The aide later deleted the tweet but posted other tweets saying the moderates’ actions — in this case, to pass a compromise border spending bill — “still enable a racist system.” The tweet has emerged as a key flash point in a simmering feud between Pelosi and “the Squad” — freshman Reps. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.), Ayanna Pressley (D-Mass.), Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.) and Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) — one that burst into a full boil this week after simmering for months when Pelosi told the New York Times that the four “didn’t have any following,” citing their lonely votes last month against a Democraticcrafted bill to address the southern border crisis. 7/11/2019 Pelosi defends handling of 4 House women as Democrats fume about Ocasio-Cortez’s top aide - Ocasio-Cortez responded in an interview with The Washington Post: “When these comments first started, I kind of thought that she was keeping the progressive flank at more of an arm’s distance in order to protect more moderate members, which I understood,” she said. “But the persistent singling out . . . it got to a point where it was just outright disrespectful . . . the explicit singling out of newly elected women of color.” Ocasio-Cortez is of Puerto Rican descent, Pressley is African American, Omar is an African immigrant and Tlaib is Palestinian American. Pelosi said Thursday in response: “We respect the value of every member of our caucus. The diversity of it all is a wonderful thing. Diversity is our strength. Unity is our power. And we have a big fight, and we’re in the arena and that’s all I’m going to say on the subject.” Those comments came as other minority members of Pelosi’s caucus spoke up in her defense. Leaving a private member meeting Thursday morning, Rep. Gregory W. Meeks (D-N.Y.) said members were buzzing about both Chakrabarti’s tweet and Ocasio-Cortez’s remark. “All I can say is, I don’t know what she meant by that,” Meeks said of the “singling out” remarks. “Clearly the speaker has been inclusive of women of color. When you have a caucus like we have, that has been as diverse as ours, the speaker has been very inclusive.” The tweet was “insulting” and “a big issue,” he added. “To try to compare this to what African Americans went through? . . . I think the African American community deserves an apology for that.” Rep. Terri A. Sewell (D-Ala.), a New Democrat vice chair who is one of several moderate African Americans representing a Southern district, said she was subject to bigotry while growing up. “So, to even insinuate that I, or any other member of the New Dems, would promote policies that are racist and hateful or ones that would negatively impact communities of color is deeply offensive and couldn’t be further from the truth,” Sewell said in a statement. Some Democrats are looking for more than an apology from Ocasio-Cortez and Chakrabarti, a former leader of the Justice Democrats, a liberal activist group that has supported primary challenges against several veteran lawmakers. “They want him out,” said a senior Democratic aide, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe internal conversations, noting the Justice Democrats’ continuing advocacy for the ouster of several minority Democrats. Chakrabarti recently tweeted support for Jessica Cisneros, who is challenging Rep. Henry Cuellar (D-Tex.). 7/11/2019 Pelosi defends handling of 4 House women as Democrats fume about Ocasio-Cortez’s top aide - The Washington Post https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/pelosi-defends-handling-of-squad-as-democrats-fume-about-ocasio-cortezs-top-aide/2019/07/11/985c52a6-a3e7-11e9-bd56-eac6bb02d01d_story.html?utm_ter… 3/4 Pelosi did not respond to a question about whether Chakrabarti should be penalized for his tweet. Corbin Trent, a spokesman for Ocasio-Cortez, declined to comment on the criticism of Chakrabarti. House Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer (D-Md.) said, “I think all staffers ought to allow their members to speak.” At a Wednesday meeting in Pelosi’s office, Rep. Derek Kilmer (D-Wash.), chairman of the New Democrat Coalition, told Pelosi in stark terms that moderates were irate about Chakrabarti’s tweet — specifically citing Sewell. Sewell has tried multiple times to discuss the matter with Ocasio-Cortez, Kilmer said in the meeting, but has not gotten her calls returned. Two people present described the exchange on the condition of anonymity because of the private nature of the meeting. “As the speaker says, our diversity is our strength and our unity is our power, and I think that’s true,” Kilmer said as he left Pelosi’s office Wednesday, declining further comment. A spokesman for Sewell declined to comment about the congresswoman’s interactions with colleagues. Earlier that day, Pelosi told fellow Democrats in a closed-door meeting not to air their grievances with other Democrats. Members or staff who feel inclined to publicly criticize a Democratic colleague should “think twice,” she said, before adding: “Actually, don’t do that: Think once.” “You got a complaint? You come and talk to me about it,” she continued, according to two people present for the remarks. “But do not tweet about our members and expect us to think that that is just okay.” Hoyer, who made a similar call for unity in Wednesday’s caucus meeting, declined to respond Thursday to Ocasio-Cortez’s remark. “I don’t really want to get in this back-and-forth,” he said. “I would hope it would stop.”

brianlux said:

The real question is, What are we supposed to believe?  What ever it is, the best thing to do is NOT believe the first thing you read. 

According to several post here. AOC has called Pelosi a racist.  Or did she?

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-clarifies-nancy-pelosi-is-absolutely-not-racist

What do I think?  Honestly, to me, they're all starting to sound like idiots.  American politicians in general are forming a very good reason to consider anarchy.  Though I'm not fully supportive of the idea of anarchy, I do feel a certain draw to the the more moderate forms of anarchy which propose stateless societies utilizing volunteer associations.  In our inner connected and complex world, traditional government probably works best, but when the two leading parties in a major world power begin to exhibit pointless feuding based on emotional responses exercised by inept so-called leaders... maybe anarchy is the only viable alternative left from which to choose.

Well she didn't exactly say "Nancy Pelosi is a racist." But she did say that Pelosi was "explicitly singling out of newly elected women of color." If she wasn't implying it was about race, she wouldn't have said "women of color." Sure she's backtracking now, as she should. But it speaks to a larger problem with this woman that she would consider Pelosi "singling out women of color" instead of Pelosi "singling out four freshman that have been in the congress for less than one term that are  negatively affecting the party." But she'd be taking accountability to think like that. It's easier for her to play the race card.