Kaepernick
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Meltdown99 said:CK should get himself a sign and stand in front of the NYPD headquarters and protest...he has no real platform other than these well thought out marketing scams that tend to rile people up...and not that many people even care...maybe those here, but not many.
Meanwhile - for people living in the real world - 30 million views:https://youtu.be/Fq2CvmgoO7I
and:"Despite Outrage, Nike Sales Increased 31% After Kaepernick Ad"
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Meltdown99 said:CK should get himself a sign and stand in front of the NYPD headquarters and protest...he has no real platform other than these well thought out marketing scams that tend to rile people up...and not that many people even care...maybe those here, but not many.0
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Has anyone figured out wtf this flag is about?Detroit 2000, Detroit 2003 1-2, Grand Rapids VFC 2004, Philly 2005, Grand Rapids 2006, Detroit 2006, Cleveland 2006, Lollapalooza 2007, Detroit Eddie Solo 2011, Detroit 2014, Chicago 2016 1-2, Chicago 2018 1-2, Ohana Encore 2021 1-2, Chicago Eddie/Earthlings 2022 1-2, Nashville 2022, St. Louis 2022
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mrussel1 said:That's actually a really good point. Killing a marketing campaign may truly be his only megaphone now. And it only works so long as Nike releases information that it started at point A and ended at point B based on him. Now if they announce the Bull Connor memorial shoe and then kill it, we'll know what's up.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0
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I miss these guys
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mcgruff10 said:So everyone agrees that the flag isn't racist, cool.0
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Spiritual_Chaos said:I don't know what year this is.
But being another generation than you, I also played capture the flag as a boy.
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dignin said:I've not said either way. But is your insinuation that because something is in a museum it can't be racist? Or do you think that museums shouldn't have racist things? I'm not quite picking up what you're putting down.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0
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Hi! said:I miss these guysThey look familiar. I think they put out an album several years ago.All kidding aside, thank goodness for Pearl Jam for bringing us great music and because without them, this crazy place would not be here!"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0
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mcgruff10 said:I was being sarcastic.0
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mcgruff10 said:I was being sarcastic."Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0
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dignin said:No shit, but you were being sarcastic to make a point. What was the point?I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0
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mrussel1 said:That's actually a really good point. Killing a marketing campaign may truly be his only megaphone now. And it only works so long as Nike releases information that it started at point A and ended at point B based on him. Now if they announce the Bull Connor memorial shoe and then kill it, we'll know what's up.Give Peas A Chance…0
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The irony is that the only people i see in this thread that are "outraged" are the same people that complain about "outrage" culture.0
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brianlux said:They look familiar. I think they put out an album several years ago.All kidding aside, thank goodness for Pearl Jam for bringing us great music and because without them, this crazy place would not be here!Post edited by Hi! on
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A flag cannot be racist. It's an inanimate object. If racist people use that flag for their agenda then that is their problem...
I suppose the Canadian flag could be considered racist considering what we did to 1st nations people...but it is not because flags are not capable of being racist...Give Peas A Chance…0 -
mrussel1 said:Do I seem outraged to you? I'm annoyed. There's a difference.
If I was a betting man someone contacted Kap or maybe he just got to see the shoes early and he said " Hey guys, here are some of the possible issues with these shoes" or something along that line. I highly doubt he ran to them "outraged" at the possibility of these shoes and demanded they pull them. Similar to his protest, it was calm, well thought out and nuanced. But that's just my guess.0 -
Meltdown99 said:A flag cannot be racist. It's an inanimate object. If racist people use that flag for their agenda then that is their problem..."Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0
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dignin said:Exactly my point and why I used these " " . Most things in my opinion that people attribute to outrage is more of an annoyance.
If I was a betting man someone contacted Kap or maybe he just got to see the shoes early and he said " Hey guys, here are some of the possible issues with these shoes" or something along that line. I highly doubt he ran to them "outraged" at the possibility of these shoes and demanded they pull them. Similar to his protest, it was calm, well thought out and nuanced. But that's just my guess.
1. In this case, I don't think it's the left that is outraged, it's the right. When I talked about getting people 'riled' up earlier, I meant specifically the Fox News/Breitbart crowd for this issue. They are making a ton out of not much.
2. I think on the merits, Kap is wrong, but again, it's not outrage. I expressed multiple times why I think he's wrong and my irritation about ceding ground to the right. So I don't need to go through that again.
3. I don't know if it's most things are annoyance vs outrage, but there is definitely an outrage culture in this country. We careen back and forth. The Justin S. case was the whole enchilada in nice package. We got to be mad at racists and race baiters all in the same event! How awesomely sad was that?0 -
Spiritual_Chaos said:Why wouldn't he want his protest to be seen and noted?
Are you saying he should do it in his bedroom before he goes to sleep?
- Hey Kap, what are you doing? You not gonna come and rub my back?
- Just a minute Babe, im peacefully protesting here in the corner. Could you turn the volume up on my iphone. I can barely hear the anthem from here.
No absolutely Not his bedroom.
He has a lot of fans and popularity. He could come up with some venues however large he needs, get other celebs involved, mabey get a few bands to do benefit (raise awareness shows, make a logo for your cause and sell t-shirts and hats and sweatshirts. Put it on a calendar and make a tour out of it sell tickets have bands come out and play on behalf of the cause benefit shows you know. Maybe put on a few marches here and there.
Why fuck with NFL Football?
I believe sporting events should be political free zones, (kind of like at the bar where its usually not a good idea to bring up politics) But at sporting events how about we put our differences aside for a few hours and cheer on the team?
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RYME said:I know that this is all redundant but he's back in the news because of the Nike shoe thing.
No absolutely Not his bedroom.
He has a lot of fans and popularity. He could come up with some venues however large he needs, get other celebs involved, mabey get a few bands to do benefit (raise awareness shows, make a logo for your cause and sell t-shirts and hats and sweatshirts. Put it on a calendar and make a tour out of it sell tickets have bands come out and play on behalf of the cause benefit shows you know. Maybe put on a few marches here and there.
Why fuck with NFL Football?
I believe sporting events should be political free zones, (kind of like at the bar where its usually not a good idea to bring up politics) But at sporting events how about we put our differences aside for a few hours and cheer on the team?
I was always a bit put off how overt it was.
Then Kap goes the opposite direction, and everybody on the right wants to boycott the NFL- the most pro military sport of them all.
I guess most people became so indoctrinated to that stuff that they became numb to it.
Edit: maybe not everyone on the right, but definitely all those on the far right.Post edited by eddiec on0 -
eddiec said:I always though the NFL was the most political/pro military of all the sports. The gigantic flag unfurled across the field, constant parading of vets onto the field, 40 years of Marine recruitment ads during the commercials, warplanes flying overhead during the anthem.
I was always a bit put off how overt it was.
Then Kap goes the opposite direction, and everybody on the right wants to boycott the NFL- the most pro military sport of them all.
I guess most people became so indoctrinated to that stuff that they became numb to it.
I think patriotic Americans that go to these ball games and watch on TV who hate the kneeling during the anthem, would be sympathetic to his cause if he went about it another way.
If he would start a movement or a .org that raises money/awarness/activism that funds the investigations of the different police forces and weed out the bad ones you know the Hideous police officers that carry out horrific brutal acts against people and people of color. Police are not all bad but there's definitely a handful of weasels here and there and Ithey need to be rooted out and pushed off a cliff.
You see I'm looking for clarity not to win an argument.
Leave Sports and our national anthem alone fix the problem another way where you would get support from righties and lefties.Post edited by RYME on0 -
Spiritual_Chaos said:This is what I say when people complain about my blood red SAAB 900 cabriolet covered in Germanys flag from the early forties.
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Jason P said:If it is from the early 40's that Saab could be worth millions because it is a prototype.
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Jason P said:Yeah, me too. Wonder if there is an Oracle logo on that flag ...
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brianlux said:We should do a poll: "Which one of these guys has the coolest shoes?"I'm going with Mike's.
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Hi! said:I usually like Jeff’s shoes best.I'm less of a sneaker person (besides my chucks), so I'm going with Matt's, even though I can't make them out all that clearly. They look stylin' from what I can see.I also miss these guys.With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0
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