Kaepernick

Spiritual_Chaos

Meltdown99 said:

CK should get himself a sign and stand in front of the NYPD headquarters and protest...he has no real platform other than these well thought out marketing scams that tend to rile people up...and not that many people even care...maybe those here, but not many.  

Meltdown and Nancy Pelosi - no one cares, it's just some kids in that small twitter bubble of theirs.

Meanwhile - for people living in the real world - 30 million views:

https://youtu.be/Fq2CvmgoO7I

and:

"Despite Outrage, Nike Sales Increased 31% After Kaepernick Ad"

mrussel1

Meltdown99 said:

CK should get himself a sign and stand in front of the NYPD headquarters and protest...he has no real platform other than these well thought out marketing scams that tend to rile people up...and not that many people even care...maybe those here, but not many.  

That's actually a really good point.  Killing a marketing campaign may truly be his only megaphone now.  And it only works so long as Nike releases information that it started at point A and ended at point B based on him.  Now if they announce the Bull Connor memorial shoe and then kill it, we'll know what's up.  

Hi!

Has anyone figured out wtf this flag is about?

mcgruff10

mrussel1 said:

Meltdown99 said:

CK should get himself a sign and stand in front of the NYPD headquarters and protest...he has no real platform other than these well thought out marketing scams that tend to rile people up...and not that many people even care...maybe those here, but not many.  

That's actually a really good point.  Killing a marketing campaign may truly be his only megaphone now.  And it only works so long as Nike releases information that it started at point A and ended at point B based on him.  Now if they announce the Bull Connor memorial shoe and then kill it, we'll know what's up.  

Lol. I guess there d be a tank on it?!

Hi!

I miss these guys

dignin

mcgruff10 said:

dignin said:

mcgruff10 said:

I can't even imagine talking my kids to this racist museum (insert sarcasm):
https://www.amrevmuseum.org/events/new-constellation-collection-historic-13-star-flags?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=post&utm_campaign=exhibit&utm_content=flags&fbclid=IwAR1ObtaxfXH-bkCWVRUtw6qFFwj7GMTwD1CdEuiBqETZ178F1YzxzKE13c4

This Flag Day, 40 rare historic flags will go on display at the Museum of the American Revolution, marking the first time that this collection has ever been displayed together. The flags feature 32 different arrangements of 13 stars, representing the 13 colonies that declared independence from Great Britain during the Revolutionary War. The 13-star flag became the official flag of the new nation on June 14, 1777, when the Continental Congress passed the first Flag Act. In an adjacent activity space, visitors of all ages can try on Revolutionary-inspired clothing, handle replica objects, and participate in activities like designing their own flag.

Good thing nobody is making this argument, except yourself of course.

So everyone agrees that the flag isn't racist, cool.  

I've not said either way. But is your insinuation that because something is in a museum it can't be racist? Or do you think that museums shouldn't have racist things? I'm not quite picking up what you're putting down.

brianlux

Spiritual_Chaos said:

brianlux said:

Back when I was in the Boy Scouts, I was inadvertently taught to have little interest or respect for flags.  At one of the BSA Jamborees, we had to (it was like being drafted into the military) play a game called Capture the Flag.  The idea of the game is to teach kids military tactics in order to seize the other teams flag.  The lesson they were trying to teach me was totally turned around.  I never had an interest in going to war. I don't want someone else's flag.  I don't even know why we have flags.  Maybe there's something wrong with me.  Doctor, please help me, I'm damaged?   

I don't know what year this is. 

But being another generation than you, I also played capture the flag as a boy.

LOL, different generation for sure!

mcgruff10

dignin said:

mcgruff10 said:

dignin said:

mcgruff10 said:

I can't even imagine talking my kids to this racist museum (insert sarcasm):
https://www.amrevmuseum.org/events/new-constellation-collection-historic-13-star-flags?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=post&utm_campaign=exhibit&utm_content=flags&fbclid=IwAR1ObtaxfXH-bkCWVRUtw6qFFwj7GMTwD1CdEuiBqETZ178F1YzxzKE13c4

This Flag Day, 40 rare historic flags will go on display at the Museum of the American Revolution, marking the first time that this collection has ever been displayed together. The flags feature 32 different arrangements of 13 stars, representing the 13 colonies that declared independence from Great Britain during the Revolutionary War. The 13-star flag became the official flag of the new nation on June 14, 1777, when the Continental Congress passed the first Flag Act. In an adjacent activity space, visitors of all ages can try on Revolutionary-inspired clothing, handle replica objects, and participate in activities like designing their own flag.

Good thing nobody is making this argument, except yourself of course.

So everyone agrees that the flag isn't racist, cool.  

I've not said either way. But is your insinuation that because something is in a museum it can't be racist? Or do you think that museums shouldn't have racist things? I'm not quite picking up what you're putting down.

I was being sarcastic.  

brianlux

Hi! said:

I miss these guys

They look familiar.  I think they put out an album several years ago.

All kidding aside, thank goodness for Pearl Jam for bringing us great music and because without them, this crazy place would not be here!

dignin

mcgruff10 said:

dignin said:

mcgruff10 said:

dignin said:

mcgruff10 said:

I can't even imagine talking my kids to this racist museum (insert sarcasm):
https://www.amrevmuseum.org/events/new-constellation-collection-historic-13-star-flags?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=post&utm_campaign=exhibit&utm_content=flags&fbclid=IwAR1ObtaxfXH-bkCWVRUtw6qFFwj7GMTwD1CdEuiBqETZ178F1YzxzKE13c4

This Flag Day, 40 rare historic flags will go on display at the Museum of the American Revolution, marking the first time that this collection has ever been displayed together. The flags feature 32 different arrangements of 13 stars, representing the 13 colonies that declared independence from Great Britain during the Revolutionary War. The 13-star flag became the official flag of the new nation on June 14, 1777, when the Continental Congress passed the first Flag Act. In an adjacent activity space, visitors of all ages can try on Revolutionary-inspired clothing, handle replica objects, and participate in activities like designing their own flag.

Good thing nobody is making this argument, except yourself of course.

So everyone agrees that the flag isn't racist, cool.  

I've not said either way. But is your insinuation that because something is in a museum it can't be racist? Or do you think that museums shouldn't have racist things? I'm not quite picking up what you're putting down.

I was being sarcastic.  

No shit, but you were being sarcastic to make a point. What was the point?

Spiritual_Chaos

mcgruff10 said:

dignin said:

mcgruff10 said:

dignin said:

mcgruff10 said:

I can't even imagine talking my kids to this racist museum (insert sarcasm):
https://www.amrevmuseum.org/events/new-constellation-collection-historic-13-star-flags?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=post&utm_campaign=exhibit&utm_content=flags&fbclid=IwAR1ObtaxfXH-bkCWVRUtw6qFFwj7GMTwD1CdEuiBqETZ178F1YzxzKE13c4

This Flag Day, 40 rare historic flags will go on display at the Museum of the American Revolution, marking the first time that this collection has ever been displayed together. The flags feature 32 different arrangements of 13 stars, representing the 13 colonies that declared independence from Great Britain during the Revolutionary War. The 13-star flag became the official flag of the new nation on June 14, 1777, when the Continental Congress passed the first Flag Act. In an adjacent activity space, visitors of all ages can try on Revolutionary-inspired clothing, handle replica objects, and participate in activities like designing their own flag.

Good thing nobody is making this argument, except yourself of course.

So everyone agrees that the flag isn't racist, cool.  

I've not said either way. But is your insinuation that because something is in a museum it can't be racist? Or do you think that museums shouldn't have racist things? I'm not quite picking up what you're putting down.

I was being sarcastic.  

And what was the underlying point the sarcasm was used for?

mcgruff10

dignin said:

mcgruff10 said:

dignin said:

mcgruff10 said:

dignin said:

mcgruff10 said:

I can't even imagine talking my kids to this racist museum (insert sarcasm):
https://www.amrevmuseum.org/events/new-constellation-collection-historic-13-star-flags?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=post&utm_campaign=exhibit&utm_content=flags&fbclid=IwAR1ObtaxfXH-bkCWVRUtw6qFFwj7GMTwD1CdEuiBqETZ178F1YzxzKE13c4

This Flag Day, 40 rare historic flags will go on display at the Museum of the American Revolution, marking the first time that this collection has ever been displayed together. The flags feature 32 different arrangements of 13 stars, representing the 13 colonies that declared independence from Great Britain during the Revolutionary War. The 13-star flag became the official flag of the new nation on June 14, 1777, when the Continental Congress passed the first Flag Act. In an adjacent activity space, visitors of all ages can try on Revolutionary-inspired clothing, handle replica objects, and participate in activities like designing their own flag.

Good thing nobody is making this argument, except yourself of course.

So everyone agrees that the flag isn't racist, cool.  

I've not said either way. But is your insinuation that because something is in a museum it can't be racist? Or do you think that museums shouldn't have racist things? I'm not quite picking up what you're putting down.

I was being sarcastic.  

No shit, but you were being sarcastic to make a point. What was the point?

That those flags are racist. 

Meltdown99

mrussel1 said:

Meltdown99 said:

CK should get himself a sign and stand in front of the NYPD headquarters and protest...he has no real platform other than these well thought out marketing scams that tend to rile people up...and not that many people even care...maybe those here, but not many.  

That's actually a really good point.  Killing a marketing campaign may truly be his only megaphone now.  And it only works so long as Nike releases information that it started at point A and ended at point B based on him.  Now if they announce the Bull Connor memorial shoe and then kill it, we'll know what's up.  

These shoes were to be released around the 4th?  Am I correct?  If so, I find it hard to believe Nike manufactured enough shoes for the initial release and then killed off the shoe based on CK phone call...this screams of another Nike marketing scam...

dignin

The irony is that the only people i see in this thread that are "outraged" are the same people that complain about "outrage" culture. 

Hi!

brianlux said:

Hi! said:

I miss these guys

They look familiar.  I think they put out an album several years ago.

All kidding aside, thank goodness for Pearl Jam for bringing us great music and because without them, this crazy place would not be here!

Word. Funny thing is I’m actually less liberal on certain things now, like a lot of different things, or at least middle of the road from reading others viewpoints here. When I was extremely liberal about everything.

Meltdown99

A flag cannot be racist.  It's an inanimate object.  If racist people use that flag for their agenda then that is their problem...

I suppose the Canadian flag could be considered racist considering what we did to 1st nations people...but it is not because flags are not capable of being racist...

mrussel1

dignin said:

The irony is that the only people i see in this thread that are "outraged" are the same people that complain about "outrage" culture. 

Do I seem outraged to you?  I'm annoyed.  There's a difference.  

dignin

mrussel1 said:

dignin said:

The irony is that the only people i see in this thread that are "outraged" are the same people that complain about "outrage" culture. 

Do I seem outraged to you?  I'm annoyed.  There's a difference.  

Exactly my point and why I used these " " . Most things in my opinion that people attribute to outrage is more of an annoyance. 

If I was a betting man someone contacted Kap or maybe he just got to see the shoes early and he said " Hey guys, here are some of the possible issues with these shoes" or something along that line. I highly doubt he ran to them "outraged" at the possibility of these shoes and demanded they pull them. Similar to his protest, it was calm, well thought out and nuanced. But that's just my guess.

Spiritual_Chaos

Meltdown99 said:

A flag cannot be racist.  It's an inanimate object.  If racist people use that flag for their agenda then that is their problem...

This is what I say when people complain about my blood red SAAB 900 cabriolet covered in Germanys flag from the early forties. 

mrussel1

dignin said:

mrussel1 said:

dignin said:

The irony is that the only people i see in this thread that are "outraged" are the same people that complain about "outrage" culture. 

Do I seem outraged to you?  I'm annoyed.  There's a difference.  

Exactly my point and why I used these " " . Most things in my opinion that people attribute to outrage is more of an annoyance. 

If I was a betting man someone contacted Kap or maybe he just got to see the shoes early and he said " Hey guys, here are some of the possible issues with these shoes" or something along that line. I highly doubt he ran to them "outraged" at the possibility of these shoes and demanded they pull them. Similar to his protest, it was calm, well thought out and nuanced. But that's just my guess.

Okay, I can see I was being a bit unclear..
1. In this case, I don't think it's the left that is outraged, it's the right.  When I talked about getting people 'riled' up earlier, I meant specifically the Fox News/Breitbart crowd for this issue.  They are making a ton out of not much. 
2. I think on the merits, Kap is wrong, but again, it's not outrage.  I expressed multiple times why I think he's wrong and my irritation about ceding ground to the right.  So I don't need to go through that again.
3. I don't know if it's most things are annoyance vs outrage, but there is definitely an outrage culture in this country.  We careen back and forth.  The Justin S. case was the whole enchilada in nice package.  We got to be mad at racists and race baiters all in the same event!  How awesomely sad was that?