Kaepernick

Spiritual_Chaos · July 2019

mickeyrat said:

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RYME said:

mickeyrat said:mo

RYME said:

mickeyrat said:

RYME said:

Smellyman said:

Whenever Ryme says it's worth a listen and read. pass

Especially from ijr.com LOL

And every time I see a post from smelly I know its time to duck. Because you're one of those guys that would jump through the screen and smack me if you could.
Why don't you comment on the point the woman was making instead of the website that I used to post it. See you take your little cheap shot at me but you don't comment on the toppic. Same thing every time I'm surprised you didn't toss a little Christian mockery into it as well. That usually follows suit.
Her son died for the flag so that people like Kaepernick can shit on it.
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6056101587001/?playlist_id=2114913880001#sp=show-clips

her son died because he swore to defend the constitution. theres nothing in the oath that says you are defending the flag. if you joined to defend the flag you are a dumbass.

this women is entitled to her opiniAlrion. THAT is what her son died defending.

I wont get into the assinine need to still be in Afghanistan in 2011.....

Spiritual_Chaos said:

RYME said:
Her son died for the flag so that people like Kaepernick can shit on it.
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6056101587001/?playlist_id=2114913880001#sp=show-clips

And if that dude would not have joined the military, there is an absurdly big chance he would have been shot/assaulted by the police in your little country just for being black. So Kaepernick "shit on it" for him too.

I didn't think I would have to explain this. The American flag is a symbol of our country. So when I say he died for the flag, okay I'll fix my wording. TheAmerican Flag represents the United States of America soldiers fight for Amarica they don't die for the physical flag itself.

FOX set it up like that and SHE set it up like that. Technically they arent even defending the country. They are defending the document and the ideals it represents. The Constitution isnt a symbol.

Her son and many others died defending the rights contained in that document. First among them is speech. If the SCOTUS has deemed burning the flag permissible speech then kneeling before it in protest is rather benign, dont you think? Further no one stands , hand on heart during the anthem because the military defends the "symbol". Because the Anthem isnt about them. Its about the ideals this country espouses, but sadly has yet to fully live up to.

Having served myself, whether I agree with his decision or not is irrelevant. I do , however, celebrate the fact that for all its flaws , we reside in a country that has this right.

I for one than thank you very much for your service mickeyrat.
So when the anthem is playing and I'm standing for the flag & honering people like you and the rest of our military past present and future. Nothing political about it.
Thank you again Mickey rat.

let me respectfully request when you stand for the anthem, do so for The Constitution, which made this all possible, the good, the bad, the indifferent.

But do you, who has been in the military - throw a hissy fit like some people (on the right, on fox news, and on this thread) because a person chose to peacefully protest and found that the most fitting way for him was to kneel instead of stand for the national anthem?

mrussel1 · July 2019

mickeyrat said:

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RYME said:

mickeyrat said:mo

RYME said:

mickeyrat said:

RYME said:

Smellyman said:

Whenever Ryme says it's worth a listen and read. pass

Especially from ijr.com LOL

And every time I see a post from smelly I know its time to duck. Because you're one of those guys that would jump through the screen and smack me if you could.
Why don't you comment on the point the woman was making instead of the website that I used to post it. See you take your little cheap shot at me but you don't comment on the toppic. Same thing every time I'm surprised you didn't toss a little Christian mockery into it as well. That usually follows suit.
Her son died for the flag so that people like Kaepernick can shit on it.
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6056101587001/?playlist_id=2114913880001#sp=show-clips

her son died because he swore to defend the constitution. theres nothing in the oath that says you are defending the flag. if you joined to defend the flag you are a dumbass.

this women is entitled to her opiniAlrion. THAT is what her son died defending.

I wont get into the assinine need to still be in Afghanistan in 2011.....

Spiritual_Chaos said:

RYME said:
Her son died for the flag so that people like Kaepernick can shit on it.
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6056101587001/?playlist_id=2114913880001#sp=show-clips

And if that dude would not have joined the military, there is an absurdly big chance he would have been shot/assaulted by the police in your little country just for being black. So Kaepernick "shit on it" for him too.

I didn't think I would have to explain this. The American flag is a symbol of our country. So when I say he died for the flag, okay I'll fix my wording. TheAmerican Flag represents the United States of America soldiers fight for Amarica they don't die for the physical flag itself.

FOX set it up like that and SHE set it up like that. Technically they arent even defending the country. They are defending the document and the ideals it represents. The Constitution isnt a symbol.

Her son and many others died defending the rights contained in that document. First among them is speech. If the SCOTUS has deemed burning the flag permissible speech then kneeling before it in protest is rather benign, dont you think? Further no one stands , hand on heart during the anthem because the military defends the "symbol". Because the Anthem isnt about them. Its about the ideals this country espouses, but sadly has yet to fully live up to.

Having served myself, whether I agree with his decision or not is irrelevant. I do , however, celebrate the fact that for all its flaws , we reside in a country that has this right.

I for one than thank you very much for your service mickeyrat.
So when the anthem is playing and I'm standing for the flag & honering people like you and the rest of our military past present and future. Nothing political about it.
Thank you again Mickey rat.

let me respectfully request when you stand for the anthem, do so for The Constitution, which made this all possible, the good, the bad, the indifferent.

See this is where I am. When I stand, it's not just for the military. Certainly their sacrifice is part of it, but it's not the only thing. It's the Constitution, it's the system, the people, the military, our land, the flag, everything.

Hi! · July 2019

And it’s ridiculous and should be pointed out that blacks have served in every war or cause in American history and sacrificed blood for “the flag”. It’s theirs too. Take it back!

mickeyrat · July 2019

mcgruff10 said:

@mickeyrat when did you serve and what branch?

hestitated to bring it up but needed to illustrate some truths.

US NAVY. didnt complete my enlistment due to alcoholism. 1 yr 5 months active service. Oct 88 to Apr 90

VS-37 attached to CVW-14 first on CV-64 USS Constellation then CV-62 USS Independence. Based out of Coronado Naval Ait Station in San Diego.

Squadron was missioned for anti-submarine warfare.

mickeyrat · July 2019

Spiritual_Chaos said:

show previous quotes

mickeyrat said:

RYME said:

mickeyrat said:mo

RYME said:

mickeyrat said:

RYME said:

Smellyman said:

Whenever Ryme says it's worth a listen and read. pass

Especially from ijr.com LOL

And every time I see a post from smelly I know its time to duck. Because you're one of those guys that would jump through the screen and smack me if you could.
Why don't you comment on the point the woman was making instead of the website that I used to post it. See you take your little cheap shot at me but you don't comment on the toppic. Same thing every time I'm surprised you didn't toss a little Christian mockery into it as well. That usually follows suit.
Her son died for the flag so that people like Kaepernick can shit on it.
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6056101587001/?playlist_id=2114913880001#sp=show-clips

her son died because he swore to defend the constitution. theres nothing in the oath that says you are defending the flag. if you joined to defend the flag you are a dumbass.

this women is entitled to her opiniAlrion. THAT is what her son died defending.

I wont get into the assinine need to still be in Afghanistan in 2011.....

Spiritual_Chaos said:

RYME said:
Her son died for the flag so that people like Kaepernick can shit on it.
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6056101587001/?playlist_id=2114913880001#sp=show-clips

And if that dude would not have joined the military, there is an absurdly big chance he would have been shot/assaulted by the police in your little country just for being black. So Kaepernick "shit on it" for him too.

I didn't think I would have to explain this. The American flag is a symbol of our country. So when I say he died for the flag, okay I'll fix my wording. TheAmerican Flag represents the United States of America soldiers fight for Amarica they don't die for the physical flag itself.

FOX set it up like that and SHE set it up like that. Technically they arent even defending the country. They are defending the document and the ideals it represents. The Constitution isnt a symbol.

Her son and many others died defending the rights contained in that document. First among them is speech. If the SCOTUS has deemed burning the flag permissible speech then kneeling before it in protest is rather benign, dont you think? Further no one stands , hand on heart during the anthem because the military defends the "symbol". Because the Anthem isnt about them. Its about the ideals this country espouses, but sadly has yet to fully live up to.

Having served myself, whether I agree with his decision or not is irrelevant. I do , however, celebrate the fact that for all its flaws , we reside in a country that has this right.

I for one than thank you very much for your service mickeyrat.
So when the anthem is playing and I'm standing for the flag & honering people like you and the rest of our military past present and future. Nothing political about it.
Thank you again Mickey rat.

let me respectfully request when you stand for the anthem, do so for The Constitution, which made this all possible, the good, the bad, the indifferent.

But do you, who has been in the military - throw a hissy fit like some people (on the right, on fox news, and on this thread) because a person chose to peacefully protest and found that the most fitting way for him was to kneel instead of stand for the national anthem?

answered within this quote chain already.

should also note, he started by sitting on the bench. at the suggestion of soldier during a calm and rational conversation between the two each explaining their individual stances , he began kneeling instead.

mcgruff10 · July 2019

mickeyrat said:

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mcgruff10 said:

@mickeyrat when did you serve and what branch?

hestitated to bring it up but needed to illustrate some truths.

US NAVY. didnt complete my enlistment due to alcoholism. 1 yr 5 months active service. Oct 88 to Apr 90
VS-37 attached to CVW-14 first on CV-64 USS Constellation then CV-62 USS Independence. Based out of Coronado Naval Ait Station in San Diego.

Squadron was missioned for anti-submarine warfare.

Thank you for your service . I can’t inagine being on a boat for that long!! You get sea sick a lot or do you just get used to it?

Spiritual_Chaos · July 2019

Standing up for a piece of graphic design and fabric like it's some magic artifact, is quite silly.

I doubt any sympathetic person ever raised an eyebrow over Kaepernick's "disrespect" for the flag/national anthem. But a lot of less than sympathetic people obviously did.

What crowd to belong to? *thinking emoji*

dignin · July 2019

mcgruff10 said:

I can't even imagine talking my kids to this racist museum (insert sarcasm):
https://www.amrevmuseum.org/events/new-constellation-collection-historic-13-star-flags?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=post&utm_campaign=exhibit&utm_content=flags&fbclid=IwAR1ObtaxfXH-bkCWVRUtw6qFFwj7GMTwD1CdEuiBqETZ178F1YzxzKE13c4

This Flag Day, 40 rare historic flags will go on display at the Museum of the American Revolution, marking the first time that this collection has ever been displayed together. The flags feature 32 different arrangements of 13 stars, representing the 13 colonies that declared independence from Great Britain during the Revolutionary War. The 13-star flag became the official flag of the new nation on June 14, 1777, when the Continental Congress passed the first Flag Act. In an adjacent activity space, visitors of all ages can try on Revolutionary-inspired clothing, handle replica objects, and participate in activities like designing their own flag.

Good thing nobody is making this argument, except yourself of course.

Spiritual_Chaos · July 2019

One guy kneels during the national anthem to shine a spotlight on a systematically racist police force.
DRAG THAT DISRESPECTFUL SUBHUMAN BACK TO THE PLANTAGON!

One guy is president and can't even color this oh-so magic flag correctly, doesn't know when airplanes were invented and by all accounts raped 13 year olds.
HE'S A BEACON OF LIGHT AND MAKES OUR COUNTRY GREAT AGAIN!

Priorities. How do they work.

mickeyrat · July 2019

mcgruff10 said:

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mickeyrat said:

mcgruff10 said:

@mickeyrat when did you serve and what branch?

hestitated to bring it up but needed to illustrate some truths.

US NAVY. didnt complete my enlistment due to alcoholism. 1 yr 5 months active service. Oct 88 to Apr 90
VS-37 attached to CVW-14 first on CV-64 USS Constellation then CV-62 USS Independence. Based out of Coronado Naval Ait Station in San Diego.

Squadron was missioned for anti-submarine warfare.

Thank you for your service . I can’t inagine being on a boat for that long!! You get sea sick a lot or do you just get used to it?

82,538 tons displacement including planes, parts , personnel and supplies. Modern Super Carriers are heavier and bigger. mostly so subtle you could barely feel it. War games around the Aleutian islands we encountered some very rough seas. Got a little nauseated.

as for out that long, didnt get a full tour in which is roughly 6 months. accumulated 90 days sea time. But you work 7 days a week. 12-16 hrs a day. port calls break that up and they do steal beach days, swimming and diving off the aircraft elevators.

edit to correct ship weight.

Spiritual_Chaos · July 2019

dignin said:

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mcgruff10 said:

I can't even imagine talking my kids to this racist museum (insert sarcasm):
https://www.amrevmuseum.org/events/new-constellation-collection-historic-13-star-flags?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=post&utm_campaign=exhibit&utm_content=flags&fbclid=IwAR1ObtaxfXH-bkCWVRUtw6qFFwj7GMTwD1CdEuiBqETZ178F1YzxzKE13c4

This Flag Day, 40 rare historic flags will go on display at the Museum of the American Revolution, marking the first time that this collection has ever been displayed together. The flags feature 32 different arrangements of 13 stars, representing the 13 colonies that declared independence from Great Britain during the Revolutionary War. The 13-star flag became the official flag of the new nation on June 14, 1777, when the Continental Congress passed the first Flag Act. In an adjacent activity space, visitors of all ages can try on Revolutionary-inspired clothing, handle replica objects, and participate in activities like designing their own flag.

Good thing nobody is making this argument, except yourself of course.

Be careful or he'll drop in a "snowflakes"-meme -- and we all know where the "snowflake"-thing comes from and who is using it.

RYME · July 2019

Spiritual_Chaos said:

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mickeyrat said:

RYME said:

mickeyrat said:mo

RYME said:

mickeyrat said:

RYME said:

Smellyman said:

Whenever Ryme says it's worth a listen and read. pass

Especially from ijr.com LOL

And every time I see a post from smelly I know its time to duck. Because you're one of those guys that would jump through the screen and smack me if you could.
Why don't you comment on the point the woman was making instead of the website that I used to post it. See you take your little cheap shot at me but you don't comment on the toppic. Same thing every time I'm surprised you didn't toss a little Christian mockery into it as well. That usually follows suit.
Her son died for the flag so that people like Kaepernick can shit on it.
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6056101587001/?playlist_id=2114913880001#sp=show-clips

her son died because he swore to defend the constitution. theres nothing in the oath that says you are defending the flag. if you joined to defend the flag you are a dumbass.

this women is entitled to her opiniAlrion. THAT is what her son died defending.

I wont get into the assinine need to still be in Afghanistan in 2011.....

Spiritual_Chaos said:

RYME said:
Her son died for the flag so that people like Kaepernick can shit on it.
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6056101587001/?playlist_id=2114913880001#sp=show-clips

And if that dude would not have joined the military, there is an absurdly big chance he would have been shot/assaulted by the police in your little country just for being black. So Kaepernick "shit on it" for him too.

I didn't think I would have to explain this. The American flag is a symbol of our country. So when I say he died for the flag, okay I'll fix my wording. TheAmerican Flag represents the United States of America soldiers fight for Amarica they don't die for the physical flag itself.

FOX set it up like that and SHE set it up like that. Technically they arent even defending the country. They are defending the document and the ideals it represents. The Constitution isnt a symbol.

Her son and many others died defending the rights contained in that document. First among them is speech. If the SCOTUS has deemed burning the flag permissible speech then kneeling before it in protest is rather benign, dont you think? Further no one stands , hand on heart during the anthem because the military defends the "symbol". Because the Anthem isnt about them. Its about the ideals this country espouses, but sadly has yet to fully live up to.

Having served myself, whether I agree with his decision or not is irrelevant. I do , however, celebrate the fact that for all its flaws , we reside in a country that has this right.

I for one than thank you very much for your service mickeyrat.
So when the anthem is playing and I'm standing for the flag & honering people like you and the rest of our military past present and future. Nothing political about it.
Thank you again Mickey rat.

let me respectfully request when you stand for the anthem, do so for The Constitution, which made this all possible, the good, the bad, the indifferent.

But do you, who has been in the military - throw a hissy fit like some people (on the right, on fox news, and on this thread) because a person chose to peacefully protest and found that the most fitting way for him was to kneel instead of stand for the national anthem?

I have no problem with people peacefully protesting whatever they want. I'm cool with it even if I disagree with its premise.
The people who have hissy fits believe there are better venues to do it in.
Making a spectacle at ball games when all the cameras are on you is where a lot of people have issues with it. Not the protest itself.

mcgruff10 · July 2019

dignin said:

show previous quotes

mcgruff10 said:

I can't even imagine talking my kids to this racist museum (insert sarcasm):
https://www.amrevmuseum.org/events/new-constellation-collection-historic-13-star-flags?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=post&utm_campaign=exhibit&utm_content=flags&fbclid=IwAR1ObtaxfXH-bkCWVRUtw6qFFwj7GMTwD1CdEuiBqETZ178F1YzxzKE13c4

This Flag Day, 40 rare historic flags will go on display at the Museum of the American Revolution, marking the first time that this collection has ever been displayed together. The flags feature 32 different arrangements of 13 stars, representing the 13 colonies that declared independence from Great Britain during the Revolutionary War. The 13-star flag became the official flag of the new nation on June 14, 1777, when the Continental Congress passed the first Flag Act. In an adjacent activity space, visitors of all ages can try on Revolutionary-inspired clothing, handle replica objects, and participate in activities like designing their own flag.

Good thing nobody is making this argument, except yourself of course.

So everyone agrees that the flag isn't racist, cool.

mcgruff10 · July 2019

mickeyrat said:

show previous quotes

mcgruff10 said:

mickeyrat said:

mcgruff10 said:

@mickeyrat when did you serve and what branch?

hestitated to bring it up but needed to illustrate some truths.

US NAVY. didnt complete my enlistment due to alcoholism. 1 yr 5 months active service. Oct 88 to Apr 90
VS-37 attached to CVW-14 first on CV-64 USS Constellation then CV-62 USS Independence. Based out of Coronado Naval Ait Station in San Diego.

Squadron was missioned for anti-submarine warfare.

Thank you for your service . I can’t inagine being on a boat for that long!! You get sea sick a lot or do you just get used to it?

90,000 tons displacement not including planes, parts , personnel and supplies. Modern Super Carriers are heavier and bigger. mostly so subtle you could barely feel it. War games around the Aleutian islands we encountered some very rough seas. Got a little nauseated.

as for out that long, didnt get a full tour in which is roughly 6 months. accumulated 90 days sea time. But you work 7 days a week. 12-16 hrs a day. port calls break that up and they do steal beach days, swimming and diving off the aircraft elevators.

One of my dreams would be to take off from a carrier on a F-14. I'd probably shit my pants and scream the entire time lol.

Spiritual_Chaos · July 2019

RYME said:

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Spiritual_Chaos said:

mickeyrat said:

RYME said:

mickeyrat said:mo

RYME said:

mickeyrat said:

RYME said:

Smellyman said:

Whenever Ryme says it's worth a listen and read. pass

Especially from ijr.com LOL

And every time I see a post from smelly I know its time to duck. Because you're one of those guys that would jump through the screen and smack me if you could.
Why don't you comment on the point the woman was making instead of the website that I used to post it. See you take your little cheap shot at me but you don't comment on the toppic. Same thing every time I'm surprised you didn't toss a little Christian mockery into it as well. That usually follows suit.
Her son died for the flag so that people like Kaepernick can shit on it.
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6056101587001/?playlist_id=2114913880001#sp=show-clips

her son died because he swore to defend the constitution. theres nothing in the oath that says you are defending the flag. if you joined to defend the flag you are a dumbass.

this women is entitled to her opiniAlrion. THAT is what her son died defending.

I wont get into the assinine need to still be in Afghanistan in 2011.....

Spiritual_Chaos said:

RYME said:
Her son died for the flag so that people like Kaepernick can shit on it.
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6056101587001/?playlist_id=2114913880001#sp=show-clips

And if that dude would not have joined the military, there is an absurdly big chance he would have been shot/assaulted by the police in your little country just for being black. So Kaepernick "shit on it" for him too.

I didn't think I would have to explain this. The American flag is a symbol of our country. So when I say he died for the flag, okay I'll fix my wording. TheAmerican Flag represents the United States of America soldiers fight for Amarica they don't die for the physical flag itself.

FOX set it up like that and SHE set it up like that. Technically they arent even defending the country. They are defending the document and the ideals it represents. The Constitution isnt a symbol.

Her son and many others died defending the rights contained in that document. First among them is speech. If the SCOTUS has deemed burning the flag permissible speech then kneeling before it in protest is rather benign, dont you think? Further no one stands , hand on heart during the anthem because the military defends the "symbol". Because the Anthem isnt about them. Its about the ideals this country espouses, but sadly has yet to fully live up to.

Having served myself, whether I agree with his decision or not is irrelevant. I do , however, celebrate the fact that for all its flaws , we reside in a country that has this right.

I for one than thank you very much for your service mickeyrat.
So when the anthem is playing and I'm standing for the flag & honering people like you and the rest of our military past present and future. Nothing political about it.
Thank you again Mickey rat.

let me respectfully request when you stand for the anthem, do so for The Constitution, which made this all possible, the good, the bad, the indifferent.

But do you, who has been in the military - throw a hissy fit like some people (on the right, on fox news, and on this thread) because a person chose to peacefully protest and found that the most fitting way for him was to kneel instead of stand for the national anthem?

I have no problem with people peacefully protesting whatever they want. I'm cool with it even if I disagree with its premise.
The people who have hissy fits believe there are better venues to do it in.
Making a spectacle at ball games when all the cameras are on you is where a lot of people have issues with it. Not the protest itself.

Why wouldn't he want his protest to be seen and noted?

Are you saying he should do it in his bedroom before he goes to sleep?

- Hey Kap, what are you doing? You not gonna come and rub my back?
- Just a minute Babe, im peacefully protesting here in the corner. Could you turn the volume up on my iphone. I can barely hear the anthem from here.

mickeyrat · July 2019

RYME said:

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Spiritual_Chaos said:

mickeyrat said:

RYME said:

mickeyrat said:mo

RYME said:

mickeyrat said:

RYME said:

Smellyman said:

Whenever Ryme says it's worth a listen and read. pass

Especially from ijr.com LOL

And every time I see a post from smelly I know its time to duck. Because you're one of those guys that would jump through the screen and smack me if you could.
Why don't you comment on the point the woman was making instead of the website that I used to post it. See you take your little cheap shot at me but you don't comment on the toppic. Same thing every time I'm surprised you didn't toss a little Christian mockery into it as well. That usually follows suit.
Her son died for the flag so that people like Kaepernick can shit on it.
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6056101587001/?playlist_id=2114913880001#sp=show-clips

her son died because he swore to defend the constitution. theres nothing in the oath that says you are defending the flag. if you joined to defend the flag you are a dumbass.

this women is entitled to her opiniAlrion. THAT is what her son died defending.

I wont get into the assinine need to still be in Afghanistan in 2011.....

Spiritual_Chaos said:

RYME said:
Her son died for the flag so that people like Kaepernick can shit on it.
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6056101587001/?playlist_id=2114913880001#sp=show-clips

And if that dude would not have joined the military, there is an absurdly big chance he would have been shot/assaulted by the police in your little country just for being black. So Kaepernick "shit on it" for him too.

I didn't think I would have to explain this. The American flag is a symbol of our country. So when I say he died for the flag, okay I'll fix my wording. TheAmerican Flag represents the United States of America soldiers fight for Amarica they don't die for the physical flag itself.

FOX set it up like that and SHE set it up like that. Technically they arent even defending the country. They are defending the document and the ideals it represents. The Constitution isnt a symbol.

Her son and many others died defending the rights contained in that document. First among them is speech. If the SCOTUS has deemed burning the flag permissible speech then kneeling before it in protest is rather benign, dont you think? Further no one stands , hand on heart during the anthem because the military defends the "symbol". Because the Anthem isnt about them. Its about the ideals this country espouses, but sadly has yet to fully live up to.

Having served myself, whether I agree with his decision or not is irrelevant. I do , however, celebrate the fact that for all its flaws , we reside in a country that has this right.

I for one than thank you very much for your service mickeyrat.
So when the anthem is playing and I'm standing for the flag & honering people like you and the rest of our military past present and future. Nothing political about it.
Thank you again Mickey rat.

let me respectfully request when you stand for the anthem, do so for The Constitution, which made this all possible, the good, the bad, the indifferent.

But do you, who has been in the military - throw a hissy fit like some people (on the right, on fox news, and on this thread) because a person chose to peacefully protest and found that the most fitting way for him was to kneel instead of stand for the national anthem?

I have no problem with people peacefully protesting whatever they want. I'm cool with it even if I disagree with its premise.
The people who have hissy fits believe there are better venues to do it in.
Making a spectacle at ball games when all the cameras are on you is where a lot of people have issues with it. Not the protest itself.

but he didnt make a spectacle of himself or otherwise draw attention to himself. he simply kneeled. media focused that attention.

mrussel1 · July 2019

RYME said:

show previous quotes

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mickeyrat said:

RYME said:

mickeyrat said:mo

RYME said:

mickeyrat said:

RYME said:

Smellyman said:

Whenever Ryme says it's worth a listen and read. pass

Especially from ijr.com LOL

And every time I see a post from smelly I know its time to duck. Because you're one of those guys that would jump through the screen and smack me if you could.
Why don't you comment on the point the woman was making instead of the website that I used to post it. See you take your little cheap shot at me but you don't comment on the toppic. Same thing every time I'm surprised you didn't toss a little Christian mockery into it as well. That usually follows suit.
Her son died for the flag so that people like Kaepernick can shit on it.
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6056101587001/?playlist_id=2114913880001#sp=show-clips

her son died because he swore to defend the constitution. theres nothing in the oath that says you are defending the flag. if you joined to defend the flag you are a dumbass.

this women is entitled to her opiniAlrion. THAT is what her son died defending.

I wont get into the assinine need to still be in Afghanistan in 2011.....

Spiritual_Chaos said:

RYME said:
Her son died for the flag so that people like Kaepernick can shit on it.
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6056101587001/?playlist_id=2114913880001#sp=show-clips

And if that dude would not have joined the military, there is an absurdly big chance he would have been shot/assaulted by the police in your little country just for being black. So Kaepernick "shit on it" for him too.

I didn't think I would have to explain this. The American flag is a symbol of our country. So when I say he died for the flag, okay I'll fix my wording. TheAmerican Flag represents the United States of America soldiers fight for Amarica they don't die for the physical flag itself.

FOX set it up like that and SHE set it up like that. Technically they arent even defending the country. They are defending the document and the ideals it represents. The Constitution isnt a symbol.

Her son and many others died defending the rights contained in that document. First among them is speech. If the SCOTUS has deemed burning the flag permissible speech then kneeling before it in protest is rather benign, dont you think? Further no one stands , hand on heart during the anthem because the military defends the "symbol". Because the Anthem isnt about them. Its about the ideals this country espouses, but sadly has yet to fully live up to.

Having served myself, whether I agree with his decision or not is irrelevant. I do , however, celebrate the fact that for all its flaws , we reside in a country that has this right.

I for one than thank you very much for your service mickeyrat.
So when the anthem is playing and I'm standing for the flag & honering people like you and the rest of our military past present and future. Nothing political about it.
Thank you again Mickey rat.

let me respectfully request when you stand for the anthem, do so for The Constitution, which made this all possible, the good, the bad, the indifferent.

But do you, who has been in the military - throw a hissy fit like some people (on the right, on fox news, and on this thread) because a person chose to peacefully protest and found that the most fitting way for him was to kneel instead of stand for the national anthem?

I have no problem with people peacefully protesting whatever they want. I'm cool with it even if I disagree with its premise.
The people who have hissy fits believe there are better venues to do it in.
Making a spectacle at ball games when all the cameras are on you is where a lot of people have issues with it. Not the protest itself.

There's a lot of riling people up about it too though. Each side seeks to take political advantage. Again, it's the sickening 'outrage' culture that we have in this country.

cincybearcat · July 2019

Spiritual_Chaos said:

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RYME said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mickeyrat said:

RYME said:

mickeyrat said:mo

RYME said:

mickeyrat said:

RYME said:

Smellyman said:

Whenever Ryme says it's worth a listen and read. pass

Especially from ijr.com LOL

And every time I see a post from smelly I know its time to duck. Because you're one of those guys that would jump through the screen and smack me if you could.
Why don't you comment on the point the woman was making instead of the website that I used to post it. See you take your little cheap shot at me but you don't comment on the toppic. Same thing every time I'm surprised you didn't toss a little Christian mockery into it as well. That usually follows suit.
Her son died for the flag so that people like Kaepernick can shit on it.
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6056101587001/?playlist_id=2114913880001#sp=show-clips

her son died because he swore to defend the constitution. theres nothing in the oath that says you are defending the flag. if you joined to defend the flag you are a dumbass.

this women is entitled to her opiniAlrion. THAT is what her son died defending.

I wont get into the assinine need to still be in Afghanistan in 2011.....

Spiritual_Chaos said:

RYME said:
Her son died for the flag so that people like Kaepernick can shit on it.
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6056101587001/?playlist_id=2114913880001#sp=show-clips

And if that dude would not have joined the military, there is an absurdly big chance he would have been shot/assaulted by the police in your little country just for being black. So Kaepernick "shit on it" for him too.

I didn't think I would have to explain this. The American flag is a symbol of our country. So when I say he died for the flag, okay I'll fix my wording. TheAmerican Flag represents the United States of America soldiers fight for Amarica they don't die for the physical flag itself.

FOX set it up like that and SHE set it up like that. Technically they arent even defending the country. They are defending the document and the ideals it represents. The Constitution isnt a symbol.

Her son and many others died defending the rights contained in that document. First among them is speech. If the SCOTUS has deemed burning the flag permissible speech then kneeling before it in protest is rather benign, dont you think? Further no one stands , hand on heart during the anthem because the military defends the "symbol". Because the Anthem isnt about them. Its about the ideals this country espouses, but sadly has yet to fully live up to.

Having served myself, whether I agree with his decision or not is irrelevant. I do , however, celebrate the fact that for all its flaws , we reside in a country that has this right.

I for one than thank you very much for your service mickeyrat.
So when the anthem is playing and I'm standing for the flag & honering people like you and the rest of our military past present and future. Nothing political about it.
Thank you again Mickey rat.

let me respectfully request when you stand for the anthem, do so for The Constitution, which made this all possible, the good, the bad, the indifferent.

But do you, who has been in the military - throw a hissy fit like some people (on the right, on fox news, and on this thread) because a person chose to peacefully protest and found that the most fitting way for him was to kneel instead of stand for the national anthem?

I have no problem with people peacefully protesting whatever they want. I'm cool with it even if I disagree with its premise.
The people who have hissy fits believe there are better venues to do it in.
Making a spectacle at ball games when all the cameras are on you is where a lot of people have issues with it. Not the protest itself.

Why wouldn't he want his protest to be seen and noted?

Are you saying he should do it in his bedroom before he goes to sleep?

- Hey Kap, what are you doing? You not gonna come and rub my back?
- Just a minute Babe, im peacefully protesting here in the corner. Could you turn the volume up on my iphone. I can barely hear the anthem from here.

This Kap thing ran its course a long time ago.

For me, he is at work. So his workplace rules apply. If they don’t care, I don’t care.

I thought meeting with a serviceman and switching to kneeling was a good move though. No matter why you are doing it, sitting on your ass getting paid millions of $ isn’t a good look.

Spiritual_Chaos · July 2019

mrussel1 said:

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RYME said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mickeyrat said:

RYME said:

mickeyrat said:mo

RYME said:

mickeyrat said:

RYME said:

Smellyman said:

Whenever Ryme says it's worth a listen and read. pass

Especially from ijr.com LOL

And every time I see a post from smelly I know its time to duck. Because you're one of those guys that would jump through the screen and smack me if you could.
Why don't you comment on the point the woman was making instead of the website that I used to post it. See you take your little cheap shot at me but you don't comment on the toppic. Same thing every time I'm surprised you didn't toss a little Christian mockery into it as well. That usually follows suit.
Her son died for the flag so that people like Kaepernick can shit on it.
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6056101587001/?playlist_id=2114913880001#sp=show-clips

her son died because he swore to defend the constitution. theres nothing in the oath that says you are defending the flag. if you joined to defend the flag you are a dumbass.

this women is entitled to her opiniAlrion. THAT is what her son died defending.

I wont get into the assinine need to still be in Afghanistan in 2011.....

Spiritual_Chaos said:

RYME said:
Her son died for the flag so that people like Kaepernick can shit on it.
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6056101587001/?playlist_id=2114913880001#sp=show-clips

And if that dude would not have joined the military, there is an absurdly big chance he would have been shot/assaulted by the police in your little country just for being black. So Kaepernick "shit on it" for him too.

I didn't think I would have to explain this. The American flag is a symbol of our country. So when I say he died for the flag, okay I'll fix my wording. TheAmerican Flag represents the United States of America soldiers fight for Amarica they don't die for the physical flag itself.

FOX set it up like that and SHE set it up like that. Technically they arent even defending the country. They are defending the document and the ideals it represents. The Constitution isnt a symbol.

Her son and many others died defending the rights contained in that document. First among them is speech. If the SCOTUS has deemed burning the flag permissible speech then kneeling before it in protest is rather benign, dont you think? Further no one stands , hand on heart during the anthem because the military defends the "symbol". Because the Anthem isnt about them. Its about the ideals this country espouses, but sadly has yet to fully live up to.

Having served myself, whether I agree with his decision or not is irrelevant. I do , however, celebrate the fact that for all its flaws , we reside in a country that has this right.

I for one than thank you very much for your service mickeyrat.
So when the anthem is playing and I'm standing for the flag & honering people like you and the rest of our military past present and future. Nothing political about it.
Thank you again Mickey rat.

let me respectfully request when you stand for the anthem, do so for The Constitution, which made this all possible, the good, the bad, the indifferent.

But do you, who has been in the military - throw a hissy fit like some people (on the right, on fox news, and on this thread) because a person chose to peacefully protest and found that the most fitting way for him was to kneel instead of stand for the national anthem?

I have no problem with people peacefully protesting whatever they want. I'm cool with it even if I disagree with its premise.
The people who have hissy fits believe there are better venues to do it in.
Making a spectacle at ball games when all the cameras are on you is where a lot of people have issues with it. Not the protest itself.

There's a lot of riling people up about it too though. Each side seeks to take political advantage. Again, it's the sickening 'outrage' culture that we have in this country.

Why shouldn't people who want to stop police brutally take political advantage of it and help it further their cause?

Meltdown99 · July 2019

CK should get himself a sign and stand in front of the NYPD headquarters and protest...he has no real platform other than these well thought out marketing scams that tend to rile people up...and not that many people even care...maybe those here, but not many.

Kaepernick

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