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So what? It's not now. Nike didn't make it into a shoe. And a racist organization founded as a reaction to a spooky black man being elected President now uses it. You really don't understand why black people would have a problem with this?mickeyrat said:
it was....HesCalledDyer said:
They adopted the Betsy Ross flag and put the roman numeral III in the middle of the stars. Surely you're not going to argue that little nuance and say something like they're completely different flags. This isn't a "find the difference in the two pictures" puzzle. The point is, could people of color then see the Betsy Ross flag (the OG, not the III%er adoption) and associate it with the perpetual, neverending problem of racism in this country? The answer to that seems obvious. It's best to just avoid it. The Betsy Ross flag isn't the flag of the United States of America anyway.mickeyrat said:
so which flag is it thats racist? the 13 stars in a field of blue or the 13 stars surrounding roman numeral 3 in a field of blue. if its the latter, I dont recall that being the Ross flag.......HesCalledDyer said:
It's not nonsense. The III% group which adopted that flag as it's symbol was founded in 2008 as a reaction to Obama getting elected. And during Obama's 2nd inauguration, the group was obviously not well-known nor did it have a platform to speak on or garner support from because dickface Trump wasn't in office yet calling racists from Charlottesville who waved that same flag "good people." So yes, it's really not hard to understand how a black man would associate it with being a racist symbol in 2019. The only nonsense is, like Alli said, people suddenly caring about an obsolete flag they never cared about until now.mcgruff10 said:
This should end the conversation and prove that this whole thing is nonsense.HughFreakingDillon said:
Obama's second inauguration.
To that, this photo kind of drives to the point mrussel1 was making pages back. Even if Obama knew about the group - and I'm sure he did - the flags on display here is like him saying "No, this flag is NOT your symbol, it's belongs to these United States. I'm taking it back for us."
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see my edit....HesCalledDyer said:
So what? It's not now. Nike didn't make it into a shoe. And a racist organization founded as a reaction to a spooky black man being elected President now uses it. You really don't understand why black people would have a problem with this?mickeyrat said:
it was....HesCalledDyer said:
They adopted the Betsy Ross flag and put the roman numeral III in the middle of the stars. Surely you're not going to argue that little nuance and say something like they're completely different flags. This isn't a "find the difference in the two pictures" puzzle. The point is, could people of color then see the Betsy Ross flag (the OG, not the III%er adoption) and associate it with the perpetual, neverending problem of racism in this country? The answer to that seems obvious. It's best to just avoid it. The Betsy Ross flag isn't the flag of the United States of America anyway.mickeyrat said:
so which flag is it thats racist? the 13 stars in a field of blue or the 13 stars surrounding roman numeral 3 in a field of blue. if its the latter, I dont recall that being the Ross flag.......HesCalledDyer said:
It's not nonsense. The III% group which adopted that flag as it's symbol was founded in 2008 as a reaction to Obama getting elected. And during Obama's 2nd inauguration, the group was obviously not well-known nor did it have a platform to speak on or garner support from because dickface Trump wasn't in office yet calling racists from Charlottesville who waved that same flag "good people." So yes, it's really not hard to understand how a black man would associate it with being a racist symbol in 2019. The only nonsense is, like Alli said, people suddenly caring about an obsolete flag they never cared about until now.mcgruff10 said:
This should end the conversation and prove that this whole thing is nonsense.HughFreakingDillon said:
Obama's second inauguration.
To that, this photo kind of drives to the point mrussel1 was making pages back. Even if Obama knew about the group - and I'm sure he did - the flags on display here is like him saying "No, this flag is NOT your symbol, it's belongs to these United States. I'm taking it back for us."
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I understand why that one black guy has a problem (Kap) but I don't know that black people as a monolith have a problem or even give a shit. Neither the outrage culture nor the Twitterverse is necessarily a good sampling of how "black people" or all people feel in general about any subject whatsoever.HesCalledDyer said:
So what? It's not now. Nike didn't make it into a shoe. And a racist organization founded as a reaction to a spooky black man being elected President now uses it. You really don't understand why black people would have a problem with this?mickeyrat said:
it was....HesCalledDyer said:
They adopted the Betsy Ross flag and put the roman numeral III in the middle of the stars. Surely you're not going to argue that little nuance and say something like they're completely different flags. This isn't a "find the difference in the two pictures" puzzle. The point is, could people of color then see the Betsy Ross flag (the OG, not the III%er adoption) and associate it with the perpetual, neverending problem of racism in this country? The answer to that seems obvious. It's best to just avoid it. The Betsy Ross flag isn't the flag of the United States of America anyway.mickeyrat said:
so which flag is it thats racist? the 13 stars in a field of blue or the 13 stars surrounding roman numeral 3 in a field of blue. if its the latter, I dont recall that being the Ross flag.......HesCalledDyer said:
It's not nonsense. The III% group which adopted that flag as it's symbol was founded in 2008 as a reaction to Obama getting elected. And during Obama's 2nd inauguration, the group was obviously not well-known nor did it have a platform to speak on or garner support from because dickface Trump wasn't in office yet calling racists from Charlottesville who waved that same flag "good people." So yes, it's really not hard to understand how a black man would associate it with being a racist symbol in 2019. The only nonsense is, like Alli said, people suddenly caring about an obsolete flag they never cared about until now.mcgruff10 said:
This should end the conversation and prove that this whole thing is nonsense.HughFreakingDillon said:
Obama's second inauguration.
To that, this photo kind of drives to the point mrussel1 was making pages back. Even if Obama knew about the group - and I'm sure he did - the flags on display here is like him saying "No, this flag is NOT your symbol, it's belongs to these United States. I'm taking it back for us."
And I'll never understand why the reaction would be to cede the 13 stars to the racists, rather than take it back. It's not like Nike put the III in the middle. The current flag is a symbol of segregation and Jim Crow. Are you upset when you see a baseball player wearing it on their shoes, hat or jersey? Should we be?0 -
So is every American flag pre-1964 considered racist?I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0
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I for one than thank you very much for your service mickeyrat.mickeyrat said:RYME said:
I didn't think I would have to explain this. The American flag is a symbol of our country. So when I say he died for the flag, okay I'll fix my wording. TheAmerican Flag represents the United States of America soldiers fight for Amarica they don't die for the physical flag itself.mickeyrat said:RYME said:
And every time I see a post from smelly I know its time to duck. Because you're one of those guys that would jump through the screen and smack me if you could.Smellyman said:Whenever Ryme says it's worth a listen and read. passEspecially from ijr.com LOL
Why don't you comment on the point the woman was making instead of the website that I used to post it. See you take your little cheap shot at me but you don't comment on the toppic. Same thing every time I'm surprised you didn't toss a little Christian mockery into it as well. That usually follows suit.
Her son died for the flag so that people like Kaepernick can shit on it.
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6056101587001/?playlist_id=2114913880001#sp=show-clipsher son died because he swore to defend the constitution. theres nothing in the oath that says you are defending the flag. if you joined to defend the flag you are a dumbass.this women is entitled to her opiniAlrion. THAT is what her son died defending.I wont get into the assinine need to still be in Afghanistan in 2011.....Spiritual_Chaos said:
And if that dude would not have joined the military, there is an absurdly big chance he would have been shot/assaulted by the police in your little country just for being black. So Kaepernick "shit on it" for him too.RYME said:Her son died for the flag so that people like Kaepernick can shit on it.
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6056101587001/?playlist_id=2114913880001#sp=show-clipsFOX set it up like that and SHE set it up like that. Technically they arent even defending the country. They are defending the document and the ideals it represents. The Constitution isnt a symbol.Her son and many others died defending the rights contained in that document. First among them is speech. If the SCOTUS has deemed burning the flag permissible speech then kneeling before it in protest is rather benign, dont you think? Further no one stands , hand on heart during the anthem because the military defends the "symbol". Because the Anthem isnt about them. Its about the ideals this country espouses, but sadly has yet to fully live up to.Having served myself, whether I agree with his decision or not is irrelevant. I do , however, celebrate the fact that for all its flaws , we reside in a country that has this right.
So when the anthem is playing and I'm standing for the flag & honering people like you and the rest of our military past present and future. Nothing political about it.
Thank you again Mickey rat.0 -
mrussel1 said:. And I'll never understand why the reaction would be to cede the 13 stars to the racists, rather than take it back.
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The whole crowd was UN-woke. Proudest I’ve ever been chanting, USA, USA!mrussel1 said:Detroit 2000, Detroit 2003 1-2, Grand Rapids VFC 2004, Philly 2005, Grand Rapids 2006, Detroit 2006, Cleveland 2006, Lollapalooza 2007, Detroit Eddie Solo 2011, Detroit 2014, Chicago 2016 1-2, Chicago 2018 1-2, Ohana Encore 2021 1-2, Chicago Eddie/Earthlings 2022 1-2, Nashville 2022, St. Louis 2022
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Was that Philly? I vaguely remember that, although I remember him having on a Rocky shirt one night and a Bruce the other. I also recall him coming out in stars and stripes robe in either 13 or 16 in Philly.Hi! said:
I'm more than ready for an arena show in Philly. NEVER miss a Philly show. That's rule one of PJ concerts for me.0 -
I’m pretty sure it was vote for change Grand Rapids show. I’ve seen one PJ concert in Philly 05 or 06, I forget. Furthest I’ve traveled for a PJ show. Lol.mrussel1 said:
Was that Philly? I vaguely remember that, although I remember him having on a Rocky shirt one night and a Bruce the other. I also recall him coming out in stars and stripes robe in either 13 or 16 in Philly.Hi! said:
I'm more than ready for an arena show in Philly. NEVER miss a Philly show. That's rule one of PJ concerts for me.Detroit 2000, Detroit 2003 1-2, Grand Rapids VFC 2004, Philly 2005, Grand Rapids 2006, Detroit 2006, Cleveland 2006, Lollapalooza 2007, Detroit Eddie Solo 2011, Detroit 2014, Chicago 2016 1-2, Chicago 2018 1-2, Ohana Encore 2021 1-2, Chicago Eddie/Earthlings 2022 1-2, Nashville 2022, St. Louis 2022
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Don’t forget his affection for EVel. Lots of red, white, blue, and stars in those merch designs, lol.mrussel1 said:
Was that Philly? I vaguely remember that, although I remember him having on a Rocky shirt one night and a Bruce the other. I also recall him coming out in stars and stripes robe in either 13 or 16 in Philly.Hi! said:
I'm more than ready for an arena show in Philly. NEVER miss a Philly show. That's rule one of PJ concerts for me.Detroit 2000, Detroit 2003 1-2, Grand Rapids VFC 2004, Philly 2005, Grand Rapids 2006, Detroit 2006, Cleveland 2006, Lollapalooza 2007, Detroit Eddie Solo 2011, Detroit 2014, Chicago 2016 1-2, Chicago 2018 1-2, Ohana Encore 2021 1-2, Chicago Eddie/Earthlings 2022 1-2, Nashville 2022, St. Louis 2022
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Maybe everyone should drop acid and adopt a new flag.
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I can't even imagine talking my kids to this racist museum (insert sarcasm):
https://www.amrevmuseum.org/events/new-constellation-collection-historic-13-star-flags?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=post&utm_campaign=exhibit&utm_content=flags&fbclid=IwAR1ObtaxfXH-bkCWVRUtw6qFFwj7GMTwD1CdEuiBqETZ178F1YzxzKE13c4
This Flag Day, 40 rare historic flags will go on display at the Museum of the American Revolution, marking the first time that this collection has ever been displayed together. The flags feature 32 different arrangements of 13 stars, representing the 13 colonies that declared independence from Great Britain during the Revolutionary War. The 13-star flag became the official flag of the new nation on June 14, 1777, when the Continental Congress passed the first Flag Act. In an adjacent activity space, visitors of all ages can try on Revolutionary-inspired clothing, handle replica objects, and participate in activities like designing their own flag.
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Back when I was in the Boy Scouts, I was inadvertently taught to have little interest or respect for flags. At one of the BSA Jamborees, we had to (it was like being drafted into the military) play a game called Capture the Flag. The idea of the game is to teach kids military tactics in order to seize the other teams flag. The lesson they were trying to teach me was totally turned around. I never had an interest in going to war. I don't want someone else's flag. I don't even know why we have flags. Maybe there's something wrong with me. Doctor, please help me, I'm damaged?
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...there's a pain, where there once was a heart....brianlux said:Back when I was in the Boy Scouts, I was inadvertently taught to have little interest or respect for flags. At one of the BSA Jamborees, we had to (it was like being drafted into the military) play a game called Capture the Flag. The idea of the game is to teach kids military tactics in order to seize the other teams flag. The lesson they were trying to teach me was totally turned around. I never had an interest in going to war. I don't want someone else's flag. I don't even know why we have flags. Maybe there's something wrong with me. Doctor, please help me, I'm damaged?0 -
Haha, perfect!mrussel1 said:
...there's a pain, where there once was a heart....brianlux said:Back when I was in the Boy Scouts, I was inadvertently taught to have little interest or respect for flags. At one of the BSA Jamborees, we had to (it was like being drafted into the military) play a game called Capture the Flag. The idea of the game is to teach kids military tactics in order to seize the other teams flag. The lesson they were trying to teach me was totally turned around. I never had an interest in going to war. I don't want someone else's flag. I don't even know why we have flags. Maybe there's something wrong with me. Doctor, please help me, I'm damaged?
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I don't know what year this is.brianlux said:Back when I was in the Boy Scouts, I was inadvertently taught to have little interest or respect for flags. At one of the BSA Jamborees, we had to (it was like being drafted into the military) play a game called Capture the Flag. The idea of the game is to teach kids military tactics in order to seize the other teams flag. The lesson they were trying to teach me was totally turned around. I never had an interest in going to war. I don't want someone else's flag. I don't even know why we have flags. Maybe there's something wrong with me. Doctor, please help me, I'm damaged?
But being another generation than you, I also played capture the flag as a boy.
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I love Beggars Banquet... not as much as Let it Bleed and Exile though.. but still amazing.brianlux said:
Haha, perfect!mrussel1 said:
...there's a pain, where there once was a heart....brianlux said:Back when I was in the Boy Scouts, I was inadvertently taught to have little interest or respect for flags. At one of the BSA Jamborees, we had to (it was like being drafted into the military) play a game called Capture the Flag. The idea of the game is to teach kids military tactics in order to seize the other teams flag. The lesson they were trying to teach me was totally turned around. I never had an interest in going to war. I don't want someone else's flag. I don't even know why we have flags. Maybe there's something wrong with me. Doctor, please help me, I'm damaged?0 -
let me respectfully request when you stand for the anthem, do so for The Constitution, which made this all possible, the good, the bad, the indifferent.RYME said:
I for one than thank you very much for your service mickeyrat.mickeyrat said:moRYME said:
I didn't think I would have to explain this. The American flag is a symbol of our country. So when I say he died for the flag, okay I'll fix my wording. TheAmerican Flag represents the United States of America soldiers fight for Amarica they don't die for the physical flag itself.mickeyrat said:RYME said:
And every time I see a post from smelly I know its time to duck. Because you're one of those guys that would jump through the screen and smack me if you could.Smellyman said:Whenever Ryme says it's worth a listen and read. passEspecially from ijr.com LOL
Why don't you comment on the point the woman was making instead of the website that I used to post it. See you take your little cheap shot at me but you don't comment on the toppic. Same thing every time I'm surprised you didn't toss a little Christian mockery into it as well. That usually follows suit.
Her son died for the flag so that people like Kaepernick can shit on it.
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6056101587001/?playlist_id=2114913880001#sp=show-clipsher son died because he swore to defend the constitution. theres nothing in the oath that says you are defending the flag. if you joined to defend the flag you are a dumbass.this women is entitled to her opiniAlrion. THAT is what her son died defending.I wont get into the assinine need to still be in Afghanistan in 2011.....Spiritual_Chaos said:
And if that dude would not have joined the military, there is an absurdly big chance he would have been shot/assaulted by the police in your little country just for being black. So Kaepernick "shit on it" for him too.RYME said:Her son died for the flag so that people like Kaepernick can shit on it.
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6056101587001/?playlist_id=2114913880001#sp=show-clipsFOX set it up like that and SHE set it up like that. Technically they arent even defending the country. They are defending the document and the ideals it represents. The Constitution isnt a symbol.Her son and many others died defending the rights contained in that document. First among them is speech. If the SCOTUS has deemed burning the flag permissible speech then kneeling before it in protest is rather benign, dont you think? Further no one stands , hand on heart during the anthem because the military defends the "symbol". Because the Anthem isnt about them. Its about the ideals this country espouses, but sadly has yet to fully live up to.Having served myself, whether I agree with his decision or not is irrelevant. I do , however, celebrate the fact that for all its flaws , we reside in a country that has this right.
So when the anthem is playing and I'm standing for the flag & honering people like you and the rest of our military past present and future. Nothing political about it.
Thank you again Mickey rat.
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another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '140 -
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