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  • HesCalledDyer
    HesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,491
    mcgruff10 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Obama's second inauguration. 
    This should end the conversation and prove that this whole thing is nonsense. 
    It's not nonsense.  The III% group which adopted that flag as it's symbol was founded in 2008 as a reaction to Obama getting elected. And during Obama's 2nd inauguration, the group was obviously not well-known nor did it have a platform to speak on or garner support from because dickface Trump wasn't in office yet calling racists from Charlottesville who waved that same flag "good people."  So yes, it's really not hard to understand how a black man would associate it with being a racist symbol in 2019.  The only nonsense is, like Alli said, people suddenly caring about an obsolete flag they never cared about until now.  
    To that, this photo kind of drives to the point mrussel1 was making pages back. Even if Obama knew about the group - and I'm sure he did - the flags on display here is like him saying "No, this flag is NOT your symbol, it's belongs to these United States. I'm taking it back for us."
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  • brianlux
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    HesCalledDyer said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Obama's second inauguration. 
    This should end the conversation and prove that this whole thing is nonsense. 
    It's not nonsense.  The III% group which adopted that flag as it's symbol was founded in 2008 as a reaction to Obama getting elected. And during Obama's 2nd inauguration, the group was obviously not well-known nor did it have a platform to speak on or garner support from because dickface Trump wasn't in office yet calling racists from Charlottesville who waved that same flag "good people."  So yes, it's really not hard to understand how a black man would associate it with being a racist symbol in 2019.  The only nonsense is, like Alli said, people suddenly caring about an obsolete flag they never cared about until now.  
    To that, this photo kind of drives to the point mrussel1 was making pages back. Even if Obama knew about the group - and I'm sure he did - the flags on display here is like him saying "No, this flag is NOT your symbol, it's belongs to these United States. I'm taking it back for us."
    Great  post, Dyer.  I learned some things from it, thanks! 

    Man, how the times have changed.  In the late 60's to about mid 70's, most radical groups that existed were based on opposition to an unjust war in Vietnam or  in support of giving African Americans the freedoms the Civil Rights Movement brought attention to, but not wide acceptance of.  Now there is this plethora of radical groups (more so on the far right but also on the far left) that are built on hate.  More than ever, I like John Lennon's words, "But if you want money for people with minds that hate/ All I can tell is brother you have to wait."  It's disturbing how much hate there is out there in the world.

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  • RYME
    RYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    edited July 2019
    Smellyman said:
    Whenever Ryme says it's worth a listen and read.  pass

    Especially from ijr.com  LOL

    And every time I see a post from smelly I know its time to duck.  Because you're one of those guys that would jump through the screen and smack me if you could.
    Why don't you comment on the point the woman was making instead of the website that I used to post it.  See you take your little cheap shot at me but you don't comment on the toppic.  Same thing every time I'm surprised you didn't toss a little Christian mockery into it as well.  That usually follows suit.
    Her son died for the flag so that people like Kaepernick can shit on it.
    https://video.foxnews.com/v/6056101587001/?playlist_id=2114913880001#sp=show-clips
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,446
    edited July 2019
    RYME said:
    Her son died for the flag so that people like Kaepernick can shit on it.
    https://video.foxnews.com/v/6056101587001/?playlist_id=2114913880001#sp=show-clips
    And if that dude would not have joined the military, there is an absurdly big chance he would have been shot/assaulted by the police in your little country just for being black. So Kaepernick "shit on it" for him too.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,307
    HesCalledDyer said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Obama's second inauguration. 
    This should end the conversation and prove that this whole thing is nonsense. 
    It's not nonsense.  The III% group which adopted that flag as it's symbol was founded in 2008 as a reaction to Obama getting elected. And during Obama's 2nd inauguration, the group was obviously not well-known nor did it have a platform to speak on or garner support from because dickface Trump wasn't in office yet calling racists from Charlottesville who waved that same flag "good people."  So yes, it's really not hard to understand how a black man would associate it with being a racist symbol in 2019.  The only nonsense is, like Alli said, people suddenly caring about an obsolete flag they never cared about until now.  
    To that, this photo kind of drives to the point mrussel1 was making pages back. Even if Obama knew about the group - and I'm sure he did - the flags on display here is like him saying "No, this flag is NOT your symbol, it's belongs to these United States. I'm taking it back for us."
    so which flag is it thats racist? the 13 stars in a field of blue or the 13 stars surrounding roman numeral 3 in a field of blue. if its the latter, I dont recall that being the Ross flag.......
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,289
    What do you think the odds are if a Democrat candidate denounces the current American flag?  I’m sure there are photos of Grand Wizard Billy Ray Joe Bob standing next to one on the World Wide Web. 
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,307
    RYME said:
    Smellyman said:
    Whenever Ryme says it's worth a listen and read.  pass

    Especially from ijr.com  LOL

    And every time I see a post from smelly I know its time to duck.  Because you're one of those guys that would jump through the screen and smack me if you could.
    Why don't you comment on the point the woman was making instead of the website that I used to post it.  See you take your little cheap shot at me but you don't comment on the toppic.  Same thing every time I'm surprised you didn't toss a little Christian mockery into it as well.  That usually follows suit.
    Her son died for the flag so that people like Kaepernick can shit on it.
    https://video.foxnews.com/v/6056101587001/?playlist_id=2114913880001#sp=show-clips
    her son died because he swore to defend the constitution. theres nothing in the oath that says you are defending the flag. if you joined to defend the flag you are a dumbass.

    this women is entitled to her opinion. THAT is what her son died defending.

    I wont get into the assinine need to still be in Afghanistan in 2011.....
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,446
    edited July 2019
    Jason P said:
    What do you think the odds are if a Democrat candidate denounces the current American flag?  I’m sure there are photos of Grand Wizard Billy Ray Joe Bob standing next to one on the World Wide Web. 
    They should at least promise to order it to be turned it upside down if becoming president.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    Jason P said:
    What do you think the odds are if a Democrat candidate denounces the current American flag?  I’m sure there are photos of Grand Wizard Billy Ray Joe Bob standing next to one on the World Wide Web. 
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,111
    edited July 2019
    So if people are offended by the Betsy Ross flag should they celebrate on the Fourth of July?
    Post edited by mcgruff10 on
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    mcgruff10 said:
    So if people are offended by the Betsy Ross flag should they celebrate on the Fourth of July?
    They should go to work as a form of protest.  
  • RYME
    RYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    mickeyrat said:
    RYME said:
    Smellyman said:
    Whenever Ryme says it's worth a listen and read.  pass

    Especially from ijr.com  LOL

    And every time I see a post from smelly I know its time to duck.  Because you're one of those guys that would jump through the screen and smack me if you could.
    Why don't you comment on the point the woman was making instead of the website that I used to post it.  See you take your little cheap shot at me but you don't comment on the toppic.  Same thing every time I'm surprised you didn't toss a little Christian mockery into it as well.  That usually follows suit.
    Her son died for the flag so that people like Kaepernick can shit on it.
    https://video.foxnews.com/v/6056101587001/?playlist_id=2114913880001#sp=show-clips
    her son died because he swore to defend the constitution. theres nothing in the oath that says you are defending the flag. if you joined to defend the flag you are a dumbass.

    this women is entitled to her opiniAlrion. THAT is what her son died defending.

    I wont get into the assinine need to still be in Afghanistan in 2011.....

    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    RYME said:
    Her son died for the flag so that people like Kaepernick can shit on it.
    https://video.foxnews.com/v/6056101587001/?playlist_id=2114913880001#sp=show-clips
    And if that dude would not have joined the military, there is an absurdly big chance he would have been shot/assaulted by the police in your little country just for being black. So Kaepernick "shit on it" for him too.
    I didn't think I would have to explain this.  The American flag is a symbol of our country. So when I say he died for the flag, okay I'll fix my wording. TheAmerican Flag represents the United States of America soldiers fight for Amarica they don't die for the physical flag itself.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    RYME said:
    mickeyrat said:
    RYME said:
    Smellyman said:
    Whenever Ryme says it's worth a listen and read.  pass

    Especially from ijr.com  LOL

    And every time I see a post from smelly I know its time to duck.  Because you're one of those guys that would jump through the screen and smack me if you could.
    Why don't you comment on the point the woman was making instead of the website that I used to post it.  See you take your little cheap shot at me but you don't comment on the toppic.  Same thing every time I'm surprised you didn't toss a little Christian mockery into it as well.  That usually follows suit.
    Her son died for the flag so that people like Kaepernick can shit on it.
    https://video.foxnews.com/v/6056101587001/?playlist_id=2114913880001#sp=show-clips
    her son died because he swore to defend the constitution. theres nothing in the oath that says you are defending the flag. if you joined to defend the flag you are a dumbass.

    this women is entitled to her opiniAlrion. THAT is what her son died defending.

    I wont get into the assinine need to still be in Afghanistan in 2011.....

    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    RYME said:
    Her son died for the flag so that people like Kaepernick can shit on it.
    https://video.foxnews.com/v/6056101587001/?playlist_id=2114913880001#sp=show-clips
    And if that dude would not have joined the military, there is an absurdly big chance he would have been shot/assaulted by the police in your little country just for being black. So Kaepernick "shit on it" for him too.
    I didn't think I would have to explain this.  The American flag is a symbol of our country. So when I say he died for the flag, okay I'll fix my wording. TheAmerican Flag represents the United States of America soldiers fight for Amarica they don't die for the physical flag itself.
    It's a pretty well understood metaphor.  I don't think one needs to clarify that.  
  • RYME
    RYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    mickeyrat said:
    RYME said:
    Smellyman said:
    Whenever Ryme says it's worth a listen and read.  pass

    Especially from ijr.com  LOL

    And every time I see a post from smelly I know its time to duck.  Because you're one of those guys that would jump through the screen and smack me if you could.
    Why don't you comment on the point the woman was making instead of the website that I used to post it.  See you take your little cheap shot at me but you don't comment on the toppic.  Same thing every time I'm surprised you didn't toss a little Christian mockery into it as well.  That usually follows suit.
    Her son died for the flag so that people like Kaepernick can shit on it.
    https://video.foxnews.com/v/6056101587001/?playlist_id=2114913880001#sp=show-clips
    her son died because he swore to defend the constitution. theres nothing in the oath that says you are defending the flag. if you joined to defend the flag you are a dumbass.

    this women is entitled to her opinion. THAT is what her son died defending.

    I wont get into the assinine need to still be in Afghanistan in 2011.....
    This is who needed clarification.
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,446
    edited July 2019
    RYME said:
    mickeyrat said:
    RYME said:
    Smellyman said:
    Whenever Ryme says it's worth a listen and read.  pass

    Especially from ijr.com  LOL

    And every time I see a post from smelly I know its time to duck.  Because you're one of those guys that would jump through the screen and smack me if you could.
    Why don't you comment on the point the woman was making instead of the website that I used to post it.  See you take your little cheap shot at me but you don't comment on the toppic.  Same thing every time I'm surprised you didn't toss a little Christian mockery into it as well.  That usually follows suit.
    Her son died for the flag so that people like Kaepernick can shit on it.
    https://video.foxnews.com/v/6056101587001/?playlist_id=2114913880001#sp=show-clips
    her son died because he swore to defend the constitution. theres nothing in the oath that says you are defending the flag. if you joined to defend the flag you are a dumbass.

    this women is entitled to her opinion. THAT is what her son died defending.

    I wont get into the assinine need to still be in Afghanistan in 2011.....
    This is who needed clarification.
    Why did you quote me? What did I not understand about the flag being a symbol?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,307
    RYME said:
    mickeyrat said:
    RYME said:
    Smellyman said:
    Whenever Ryme says it's worth a listen and read.  pass

    Especially from ijr.com  LOL

    And every time I see a post from smelly I know its time to duck.  Because you're one of those guys that would jump through the screen and smack me if you could.
    Why don't you comment on the point the woman was making instead of the website that I used to post it.  See you take your little cheap shot at me but you don't comment on the toppic.  Same thing every time I'm surprised you didn't toss a little Christian mockery into it as well.  That usually follows suit.
    Her son died for the flag so that people like Kaepernick can shit on it.
    https://video.foxnews.com/v/6056101587001/?playlist_id=2114913880001#sp=show-clips
    her son died because he swore to defend the constitution. theres nothing in the oath that says you are defending the flag. if you joined to defend the flag you are a dumbass.

    this women is entitled to her opiniAlrion. THAT is what her son died defending.

    I wont get into the assinine need to still be in Afghanistan in 2011.....

    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    RYME said:
    Her son died for the flag so that people like Kaepernick can shit on it.
    https://video.foxnews.com/v/6056101587001/?playlist_id=2114913880001#sp=show-clips
    And if that dude would not have joined the military, there is an absurdly big chance he would have been shot/assaulted by the police in your little country just for being black. So Kaepernick "shit on it" for him too.
    I didn't think I would have to explain this.  The American flag is a symbol of our country. So when I say he died for the flag, okay I'll fix my wording. TheAmerican Flag represents the United States of America soldiers fight for Amarica they don't die for the physical flag itself.
    FOX set it up like that and SHE set it up like that. Technically they arent even defending the country. They are defending the document and the ideals it represents. The Constitution isnt a symbol.

    Her son and many others died defending the rights contained in that document. First among them is speech. If the SCOTUS has deemed burning the flag permissible speech then kneeling before it in protest is rather benign, dont you think? Further no one stands , hand on heart during the anthem because the military defends the "symbol". Because the Anthem isnt about them. Its about the ideals this country espouses, but sadly has yet to fully live up to.

    Having served myself, whether I agree with his decision or not is irrelevant. I do , however, celebrate the fact that for all its flaws , we reside in a country that has this right.
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  • HesCalledDyer
    HesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,491
    edited July 2019
    mickeyrat said:
    HesCalledDyer said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Obama's second inauguration. 
    This should end the conversation and prove that this whole thing is nonsense. 
    It's not nonsense.  The III% group which adopted that flag as it's symbol was founded in 2008 as a reaction to Obama getting elected. And during Obama's 2nd inauguration, the group was obviously not well-known nor did it have a platform to speak on or garner support from because dickface Trump wasn't in office yet calling racists from Charlottesville who waved that same flag "good people."  So yes, it's really not hard to understand how a black man would associate it with being a racist symbol in 2019.  The only nonsense is, like Alli said, people suddenly caring about an obsolete flag they never cared about until now.  
    To that, this photo kind of drives to the point mrussel1 was making pages back. Even if Obama knew about the group - and I'm sure he did - the flags on display here is like him saying "No, this flag is NOT your symbol, it's belongs to these United States. I'm taking it back for us."
    so which flag is it thats racist? the 13 stars in a field of blue or the 13 stars surrounding roman numeral 3 in a field of blue. if its the latter, I dont recall that being the Ross flag.......
    They adopted the Betsy Ross flag and put the roman numeral III in the middle of the stars.  Surely you're not going to argue that little nuance and say something like they're completely different flags.  This isn't a "find the difference in the two pictures" puzzle.  The point is, could people of color then see the Betsy Ross flag (the OG, not the III%er adoption) and associate it with the perpetual, neverending problem of racism in this country?  The answer to that seems obvious. It's best to just avoid it.  The Betsy Ross flag isn't the flag of the United States of America anyway.
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,307
    edited July 2019
    HesCalledDyer said:
    mickeyrat said:
    HesCalledDyer said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Obama's second inauguration. 
    This should end the conversation and prove that this whole thing is nonsense. 
    It's not nonsense.  The III% group which adopted that flag as it's symbol was founded in 2008 as a reaction to Obama getting elected. And during Obama's 2nd inauguration, the group was obviously not well-known nor did it have a platform to speak on or garner support from because dickface Trump wasn't in office yet calling racists from Charlottesville who waved that same flag "good people."  So yes, it's really not hard to understand how a black man would associate it with being a racist symbol in 2019.  The only nonsense is, like Alli said, people suddenly caring about an obsolete flag they never cared about until now.  
    To that, this photo kind of drives to the point mrussel1 was making pages back. Even if Obama knew about the group - and I'm sure he did - the flags on display here is like him saying "No, this flag is NOT your symbol, it's belongs to these United States. I'm taking it back for us."
    so which flag is it thats racist? the 13 stars in a field of blue or the 13 stars surrounding roman numeral 3 in a field of blue. if its the latter, I dont recall that being the Ross flag.......
    They adopted the Betsy Ross flag and put the roman numeral III in the middle of the stars.  Surely you're not going to argue that little nuance and say something like they're completely different flags.  This isn't a "find the difference in the two pictures" puzzle.  The point is, could people of color then see the Betsy Ross flag (the OG, not the III%er adoption) and associate it with the perpetual, neverending problem of racism in this country?  The answer to that seems obvious. It's best to just avoid it.  The Betsy Ross flag isn't the flag of the United States of America anyway.
    it was....
    that stain runs deep. the past cant be changed. the present and future can be. he has the right, of course, to express homself. it just seems unproductive to me.

    so the question I have is , how did this move the country forward?

    Post edited by mickeyrat on
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    HesCalledDyer said:
    mickeyrat said:
    HesCalledDyer said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Obama's second inauguration. 
    This should end the conversation and prove that this whole thing is nonsense. 
    It's not nonsense.  The III% group which adopted that flag as it's symbol was founded in 2008 as a reaction to Obama getting elected. And during Obama's 2nd inauguration, the group was obviously not well-known nor did it have a platform to speak on or garner support from because dickface Trump wasn't in office yet calling racists from Charlottesville who waved that same flag "good people."  So yes, it's really not hard to understand how a black man would associate it with being a racist symbol in 2019.  The only nonsense is, like Alli said, people suddenly caring about an obsolete flag they never cared about until now.  
    To that, this photo kind of drives to the point mrussel1 was making pages back. Even if Obama knew about the group - and I'm sure he did - the flags on display here is like him saying "No, this flag is NOT your symbol, it's belongs to these United States. I'm taking it back for us."
    so which flag is it thats racist? the 13 stars in a field of blue or the 13 stars surrounding roman numeral 3 in a field of blue. if its the latter, I dont recall that being the Ross flag.......
    They adopted the Betsy Ross flag and put the roman numeral III in the middle of the stars.  Surely you're not going to argue that little nuance and say something like they're completely different flags.  This isn't a "find the difference in the two pictures" puzzle.  The point is, could people of color then see the Betsy Ross flag (the OG, not the III%er adoption) and associate it with the perpetual, neverending problem of racism in this country?  The answer to that seems obvious. It's best to just avoid it.  The Betsy Ross flag isn't the flag of the United States of America anyway.
    I don't know if someone mentioned it, but the "III" is the 3%er myth; that only 3% of the population participated in the Revolution.  It's used as propaganda that these fringe groups would be successful in overthrowing the guvmint.  

    I agree we should never use the flag with the III, for obvious reasons.  Totally disagree that we should never use the original flag because of some dipshit rednecks.  

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