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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 43,300
    wasnt directed at a member
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,560
    mickeyrat said:
    wasnt directed at a member
    Yeah, synonym for white nationalists..
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 43,300
    that edit better brian?
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 28,965
    edited July 2019
    mickeyrat said:
    wasnt directed at a member
    very very true.  I thought you were pretty kind when describing white nationalists. 
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 28,965

    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,560
    Now that's funny!
  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,481
    He doesn’t suck. He had four touchdowns in one game at Polk High.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,141
    edited July 2019
    mickeyrat said:
    that edit better brian?
    Personally, I'm rather partial to vivacious words like dumbfock and shotheads, but I wouldn't use them here. 

    Ahh, I mean, oh  shoot!
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,200
    mcgruff10 said:

    Only difference is that Al Bundy has a championship ring. 
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  • jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    mrussel1 said:
    ^^ hey is that right?  He was in Seattle's camp and he didn't want to be a backup, and wanted starter money, after everything that was happening?  I always thought no one would give him a chance.  And btw, I didn't think the owners were racists for not giving him a chance, I think they lacked the cajones to have him on their team because of Trump and his minions.  But if you're saying he could have been in the league, but chose to do so, that's quite a bit different. 
    In 2017 the Seahawks brought him in, alpmg with Davis. Seahawks were looking for a #2 behind Wilson. We signed Davis. Press releases quoted Carroll saying that we needed a backup to Wilson and Colin was a starter.  Rumors on the street were that he wanted too much money to be a backup, and he certainly wasn't going to replace Wilson. We had a scheduled workout with him last year, but the NFL was cracking down on the anthem displays, and the Seahawks were trying to comply. Kaep told the Seahawks he wouldn't, so they cancelled the workout just before it was supposed to happen. So fans in Seattle have had 2 Kaep scares. I'm glad he never got signed with us. What a waste of salary cap and roster space he would have been.
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  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,702
    Dude was an absolute beast for a few years, the whole "suck at football" angle is silly.
    He was not good enough overall to stick, but his skill level was great.  Damn near had a super bowl ring as well...if the team could just have defended against the mighty Joe Flacco.  ? 

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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,200
    Dude was an absolute beast for a few years, the whole "suck at football" angle is silly.
    He was not good enough overall to stick, but his skill level was great.  Damn near had a super bowl ring as well...if the team could just have defended against the mighty Joe Flacco.  ? 

    Flacco had the best four games of his life in a row and essentially won the contract lotto .... although if Denver’s secondary had more than two brain cells he wouldn’t have taken Baltimore past the wildcard round. 

    And not to crap on Kap too much because he is a gifted athlete, but defensive coordinators had no idea how to defend the read-option set and once they adjusted over the off season that offensive scheme went the way of the Dodo and Kap’s career as a starter was over. 
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,560
    Jason P said:
    Flacco had the best four games of his life in a row and essentially won the contract lotto .... although if Denver’s secondary had more than two brain cells he wouldn’t have taken Baltimore past the wildcard round. 

    And not to crap on Kap too much because he is a gifted athlete, but defensive coordinators had no idea how to defend the read-option set and once they adjusted over the off season that offensive scheme went the way of the Dodo and Kap’s career as a starter was over. 
    Kap definitely didn't suck and probably deserved another chance in the league.  You can't tell me that Sanchez was better and he keeps getting chances.  The meme was just funny because of the Bundy thing. 
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,200
    My money says that we end up finding out Nike planned this “controversy” for months.  It has been one of the biggest discussions during a period where media goes dead over a holiday so unless there is a mass shooting or terrorist strike this is all that will be talked about for 3-5 days.  

    Last time Kap made the news like this Nike’s valuation went up a few billion dollars.   Kap is not reviewing each Nike product for approval.  Nike would know this would be controversial.  The story was “leaked” with all the details although no one is interested in how and why.  This is some true Dr Evil corporate planning here. 
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,560
    Jason P said:
    My money says that we end up finding out Nike planned this “controversy” for months.  It has been one of the biggest discussions during a period where media goes dead over a holiday so unless there is a mass shooting or terrorist strike this is all that will be talked about for 3-5 days.  

    Last time Kap made the news like this Nike’s valuation went up a few billion dollars.   Kap is not reviewing each Nike product for approval.  Nike would know this would be controversial.  The story was “leaked” with all the details although no one is interested in how and why.  This is some true Dr Evil corporate planning here. 
    If this turns out to be true, and they planned on capitalizing on the splitting of the country, then Phil Knight and co. are no better than Trump in my book.  Not that they care, but that'll be it for Nike for me.  I like Adidas a bit more anyway, so fine.  But that would be super, super shitty.  
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,200
    mrussel1 said:
    Kap definitely didn't suck and probably deserved another chance in the league.  You can't tell me that Sanchez was better and he keeps getting chances.  The meme was just funny because of the Bundy thing. 
    I would never claim Sanchez was better then the UPS driver that drops off packages at my house.   But top ten picks usually get more chances then they deserve. 
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 28,965
    Jason P said:
    I would never claim Sanchez was better then the UPS driver that drops off packages at my house.   But top ten picks usually get more chances then they deserve. 
    The butt fumble is single handily the greatest play ever in the history of the nfl.  
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 28,965

    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,042
    dignin said:
    What does the confederate flag have to do with this? Governments taking down confederate monuments is no where in the same league as a company choosing not to associate their brand and product with something. If Nike was trying to get the flag taken down from government institutions you may have a point.

    That's what we call a strawman.
    oh, the strawman again, haha. I wasn't comparing the two (nike and government) at all. my comment was addressing the part where you stated that it is ok to fly a flag in government from a historical perspective. did you support the removal of the confederate flag and monuments from government buildings?
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,042
    PJ_Soul said:
    Because that is the CURRENT flag, and wasn't used in slave days. Isn't that obvious?
    Now, if this is all a fabricated ad campaign by Nike, including Kaepernick's complaint, that would change things. Otherwise... I think these historical symbols in America are a hot button issue that is actually worth debating. I think it is valid for African Americans to be touchy about American history. It's completely justified. So again, wherever they lean, I'll lean too.
    why would how this came about "change things"? 
    "every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"




  • jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    Dude was an absolute beast for a few years, the whole "suck at football" angle is silly.
    He was not good enough overall to stick, but his skill level was great.  Damn near had a super bowl ring as well...if the team could just have defended against the mighty Joe Flacco.  ? 

    Well, he was good until he wasn't. I admitted that most of my dislike of him stemmed from his being a rival QB. SEA and SF had a pretty good rivalry going for a bit. Kap, RGIII and Wilson were the golden boys, and Kap and RGIII were getting the big press, while Russ was quietly doing his thing in the wilderness of Seattle. RGIII broke down, Kap took a shit, and Russ rose to the top of that pecking order. I thought Kap was a publicity whore and once teams figured him out, he just wasn't the caliber QB I'd want starting for my team. As I also said, he'd have never replaced Wilson in Seattle. He wasn't good enough, and he wasn't liked enough. So yeah, I'll grant you that he had talent, and a couple of good years. But then became just another average QB who would never dominate the league. I think protests were his career move to remain relevant. I guess he's remained in the news, but not sure about the relevant part. Anyway, glad to this day that we didn't sign him.

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  • cp3iversoncp3iverson Posts: 8,702
    edited July 2019
    I’ll only comment from a football standpoint. I don't want to call him gimmicky but its like someone said.  Once coordinators finally adjusted he was done for.  Some mobile QBs were able to adjust and stay in the pocket.  He just didn't have “it” and it showed.  Could have been a nice 2nd or 3rd stringer and had a long career but he refused those opportunities.  
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,696
    oh, the strawman again, haha. I wasn't comparing the two (nike and government) at all. my comment was addressing the part where you stated that it is ok to fly a flag in government from a historical perspective. did you support the removal of the confederate flag and monuments from government buildings?
    Due your strawman gals equivalencies have you acting like a snowflake. ;)
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,141
    He sucked.

    He didn't suck.

    He sucked.

    He didn't suck.

    OK.  I guess he sucked and he didn't suck.

    But what he's been doing lately seems like good work to me.  Standing up for African Americans is good, important work in a nation like ours rife, with its long history of racism.

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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,478
    oh, the strawman again, haha. I wasn't comparing the two (nike and government) at all. my comment was addressing the part where you stated that it is ok to fly a flag in government from a historical perspective. did you support the removal of the confederate flag and monuments from government buildings?
    You are making an argument against an argument I have not made. Textbook straw man.

    I didn't say it was "ok" to fly any flag, you are making that up. I haven't said if I think it's right or wrong. I said it was very different, and to compare what a business does and what a government does in this regard is stupid.

    I'm not the one talking about confederate flags and monuments, you are. Again, decisions by governments and decisions by businesses are made differently.

    And what difference does it make if I did or did not support the removal of confederate monuments? It's completely irrelevant to the point I've made.

    Also, if you weren't comparing Nike to the government, why post that picture at all? 
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,560
    dignin said:
    You are making an argument against an argument I have not made. Textbook straw man.

    I didn't say it was "ok" to fly any flag, you are making that up. I haven't said if I think it's right or wrong. I said it was very different, and to compare what a business does and what a government does in this regard is stupid.

    I'm not the one talking about confederate flags and monuments, you are. Again, decisions by governments and decisions by businesses are made differently.

    And what difference does it make if I did or did not support the removal of confederate monuments? It's completely irrelevant to the point I've made.

    Also, if you weren't comparing Nike to the government, why post that picture at all? 
    The point of the picture isn't about Nike's right as a company to do what they want.  It's to show that even the first black president evidently did not associate that flag with racism.  I think it's 100% relevant to the discussion about the flag and whether it's a direct reflection of racism, not whether Nike does/not have the right to make or recall any shoe they want. 
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,042
    mrussel1 said:
    The point of the picture isn't about Nike's right as a company to do what they want.  It's to show that even the first black president evidently did not associate that flag with racism.  I think it's 100% relevant to the discussion about the flag and whether it's a direct reflection of racism, not whether Nike does/not have the right to make or recall any shoe they want. 
    exactly. this isn't hard to understand. 
    "every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"




  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,042
    dignin said:
    You are making an argument against an argument I have not made. Textbook straw man.

    I didn't say it was "ok" to fly any flag, you are making that up. I haven't said if I think it's right or wrong. I said it was very different, and to compare what a business does and what a government does in this regard is stupid.

    I'm not the one talking about confederate flags and monuments, you are. Again, decisions by governments and decisions by businesses are made differently.

    And what difference does it make if I did or did not support the removal of confederate monuments? It's completely irrelevant to the point I've made.

    Also, if you weren't comparing Nike to the government, why post that picture at all? 
    add another one to the list. 
    "every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"




  • dignindignin Posts: 9,478
    add another one to the list. 
    If you can't bother to make a coherent response I'm not going to waste my time.
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,478
    mrussel1 said:
    The point of the picture isn't about Nike's right as a company to do what they want.  It's to show that even the first black president evidently did not associate that flag with racism.  I think it's 100% relevant to the discussion about the flag and whether it's a direct reflection of racism, not whether Nike does/not have the right to make or recall any shoe they want. 
    I may disagree with what this whole thing is about with you, but at least you take the time to write out a genuine response. So thanks for that.

    Either way this whole Nike flag thing is pretty stupid (and in my opinion being blow way out of proportion) and not really worth the argument (for me anyways). So I'm bowing out.

    Happy 4th to you.
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