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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,981
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    RYME said:
    benjs said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Ignore makes this so much easier

    I took this screen grab to make a simple point.
    I seriously don't get what your simple point is.  Other people here obviously got it but I don't get what you're suggesting with this screenshot of what I said.
    Every time Bernie Sanders has a microphone in his face the first words out of his mouth are "Donald Trump is a racist." Ok.  Then I was reading comments from earlier in this thread wear Brianlux said he and his wife consider trump voters cultish.
    These accusations and stereotyping is why I said what I said.  It's getting to be so old and inaccurate.
    Because I highly disagree with both ridiculous claims.
    I'm not racist and I don't belong to any cults.
    And then the pictures of Hitler I don't get that either.
    Unless of course you are comparing a trump voter to Nazi Germany??  Really??
    None of those things is what he's saying, is my bet.  It has nothing to do with your post whatsoever.  Think of the inverse...
    Either way (and I know it was what you're saying mrussel), it wasn't very nice, and is really unfair, considering time differences.
    I'm not sure that time differences drive spamming behavior.  I have my own feelings though.  It's all good.  I'll always read what you post.  
  • mrussel1
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    mcgruff10 said:
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    dignin said:
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    brianlux said:
    Last night was a shit show.  Biased, rigged, game show, yelling, cheering, little focus on the most important issue, hugely disappointing and ANYTHING BUT inspiring. 

    Flush twice.
    I can't even watch it Brian.  I attempted to watch 5 minutes on Wed but it's just people yelling, raising their hands, and others trying to have their "moment".  It's worthless information to me.  I hope no one really adjusts any vote based on that.  I don't care who you vote for, just don't make a decision off of these abominations.  Fortunately I was flying last night so I didn't even have the option to watch.  To me, a debate is 2 to 3 people max.  I want to hear several minutes on a topic.  I really enjoy the presidential debates.  Always have.  Not this crap.  Wake me when we start voting and people have exited.    
    There was plenty to learn from these debates. 
    I'm sure there were some nuggets of information, but nothing for me, compared to what else I could be doing.  The opportunity costs weigh heavily against investing my time into a 20 person debate 7 months from the first vote.  I feel pretty good that I'll be an informed voter in Q1 when the primary roles through VA.  
    New Jersey is one of the last states to vote in the primaries (by the time is gets here it is usually over) so I could really care less about these debates. (Plus IMO Rachel Maddow is unwatchable.)
    Whos most unwatchable - Rachel or Sean hannity?
    Both get my vote. 
    I don't mind Rachel at all.  She might try to connect some dots that are tenuous, but her research is generally good.  My criticism is how the show plays out the punchline to maximize commercials.  But I get why.  Hannity is just a total shill.  I don't think he has a lick of integrity.  
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,203
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:
    Last night was a shit show.  Biased, rigged, game show, yelling, cheering, little focus on the most important issue, hugely disappointing and ANYTHING BUT inspiring. 

    Flush twice.
    I can't even watch it Brian.  I attempted to watch 5 minutes on Wed but it's just people yelling, raising their hands, and others trying to have their "moment".  It's worthless information to me.  I hope no one really adjusts any vote based on that.  I don't care who you vote for, just don't make a decision off of these abominations.  Fortunately I was flying last night so I didn't even have the option to watch.  To me, a debate is 2 to 3 people max.  I want to hear several minutes on a topic.  I really enjoy the presidential debates.  Always have.  Not this crap.  Wake me when we start voting and people have exited.    
    There was plenty to learn from these debates. 
    I'm sure there were some nuggets of information, but nothing for me, compared to what else I could be doing.  The opportunity costs weigh heavily against investing my time into a 20 person debate 7 months from the first vote.  I feel pretty good that I'll be an informed voter in Q1 when the primary roles through VA.  
    New Jersey is one of the last states to vote in the primaries (by the time is gets here it is usually over) so I could really care less about these debates. (Plus IMO Rachel Maddow is unwatchable.)
    Whos most unwatchable - Rachel or Sean hannity?
    Both get my vote. 
    I don't mind Rachel at all.  She might try to connect some dots that are tenuous, but her research is generally good.  My criticism is how the show plays out the punchline to maximize commercials.  But I get why.  Hannity is just a total shill.  I don't think he has a lick of integrity.  
    Maddow reminds me of joe buck, knowledgeable  but I just can’t stand their voice.  Hannity is a complete piece of dog shit.  
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,919
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    RYME said:
    benjs said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Ignore makes this so much easier

    I took this screen grab to make a simple point.
    I seriously don't get what your simple point is.  Other people here obviously got it but I don't get what you're suggesting with this screenshot of what I said.
    Every time Bernie Sanders has a microphone in his face the first words out of his mouth are "Donald Trump is a racist." Ok.  Then I was reading comments from earlier in this thread wear Brianlux said he and his wife consider trump voters cultish.
    These accusations and stereotyping is why I said what I said.  It's getting to be so old and inaccurate.
    Because I highly disagree with both ridiculous claims.
    I'm not racist and I don't belong to any cults.
    And then the pictures of Hitler I don't get that either.
    Unless of course you are comparing a trump voter to Nazi Germany??  Really??
    None of those things is what he's saying, is my bet.  It has nothing to do with your post whatsoever.  Think of the inverse...
    Either way (and I know it was what you're saying mrussel), it wasn't very nice, and is really unfair, considering time differences.
    I'm not sure that time differences drive spamming behavior.  I have my own feelings though.  It's all good.  I'll always read what you post.  
    haha, I will always read what you post too. There is no way I'd be putting you on ignore.
    My point was just that I think S_C is online while nobody else is yet, and he went through the thread and replied to a bunch of posts, while no other posts could get between them... or he commented while watching the debate, while nobody else was online. Either way, I don't think he was spamming.
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  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,448
    RYME said:
    benjs said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Ignore makes this so much easier

    I took this screen grab to make a simple point.
    I seriously don't get what your simple point is.  Other people here obviously got it but I don't get what you're suggesting with this screenshot of what I said.
    Every time Bernie Sanders has a microphone in his face the first words out of his mouth are "Donald Trump is a racist." Ok.  Then I was reading comments from earlier in this thread wear Brianlux said he and his wife consider trump voters cultish.
    These accusations and stereotyping is why I said what I said.  It's getting to be so old and inaccurate.
    Because I highly disagree with both ridiculous claims.
    I'm not racist and I don't belong to any cults.
    And then the pictures of Hitler I don't get that either.
    Unless of course you are comparing a trump voter to Nazi Germany??  Really??
    Ryme, my apologies. This was absolutely nothing to do with your post and only the stream of consciousness rapid fire posts from SC. 
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    It's better to ignore than get trapped in a pointless argument...then poof...someone is banned...
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,919

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  • mrussel1
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    PJ_Soul said:

    Busing was a failed policy.  I find it interesting that all of these people who weren't subject to it are extolling it.  There's a reason it's been dead for 35 plus years.  I was a bit disappointed by Harris's comment on it, as I found it opportunistic.  I also didn't understand if she was saying that she was bused and that it was a good thing, or what.  The reality is that large majorities of blacks and whites were against the policy at the time.  When it's your kids on the bus for 3 hours a day, it makes a difference.  I pointed out before that all research showed that it didn't change test scores for AA's and worse, it created the 'white flight' epidemic that pulled needed tax dollars out of the cities, as people moved to the suburbs.  
    Full disclosure, my sister was bused in Cleveland city schools, from the west side to the east side.  It's what led my family into the suburbs.  The story is not unique.  My parents were very much against the policy.  It wasn't that they were racist, they just didn't want her on the bus 3 hours a day.  
  • mrussel1
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    PJ_Soul said:

    One more thing PJ, just because I think this issue is a very raw one, stemming back from Civil Rights era.  And I think that 'progressives' are misusing this history and painting Biden as racist when in fact, he was representing the views of huge %'s of black and whites.  According to this NY Times/Gallup poll from 1973, 4% of whites and 9% of blacks favored busing as the way to desegregate schools.  Even George McGovern was against it, and there were few more liberal than him.  I knew the numbers were low, but I didn't even know that were this low.  

    https://www.nytimes.com/1973/09/09/archives/gallup-finds-few-favor-busing-for-integration.html

  • PJPOWER
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    edited June 2019

    Here’s the gif you were looking for @pjsoul
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,919
    edited June 2019
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:

    One more thing PJ, just because I think this issue is a very raw one, stemming back from Civil Rights era.  And I think that 'progressives' are misusing this history and painting Biden as racist when in fact, he was representing the views of huge %'s of black and whites.  According to this NY Times/Gallup poll from 1973, 4% of whites and 9% of blacks favored busing as the way to desegregate schools.  Even George McGovern was against it, and there were few more liberal than him.  I knew the numbers were low, but I didn't even know that were this low.  

    https://www.nytimes.com/1973/09/09/archives/gallup-finds-few-favor-busing-for-integration.html

    Just to be clear, I don't think that Biden is a racist. I just posted that for people to see and ponder, without trying to make my own point. I think opposition to busing was misguided at best back then. It was a different time though. Now, no, he's not racist... but I think he and a whole lot of other people his age can still fall prey to subconscious stigmas, which actually is racism, albeit not deliberate racism. Even then, I think Biden is a LOT better than the majority of 70+ white people out there when it comes to this kind of thing (and btw, both of my own parents very much fall into that category of being old white racists in denial, I'm ashamed to say).
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Biden fired up right now on CNN. In Chicago and defending his record on many fronts. Sleepy Joe ain’t so sleepy.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,919
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Biden fired up right now on CNN. In Chicago and defending his record on many fronts. Sleepy Joe ain’t so sleepy.
    I'm fully team Warren (not that I have a say), but I really don't think Biden deserves a lot of the flack he's getting. I don't quite get why Dems tend to eat their own so rabidly these days. Everyone needs to calm down, apparently.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,981
    PJ_Soul said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Biden fired up right now on CNN. In Chicago and defending his record on many fronts. Sleepy Joe ain’t so sleepy.
    I'm fully team Warren (not that I have a say), but I really don't think Biden deserves a lot of the flack he's getting. I don't quite get why Dems tend to eat their own so rabidly these days. Everyone needs to calm down, apparently.
    Right.. argue on the merits, not cheap shots.  It was a cheap shot by Harris.  I expected more from her to be honest.  
    And I don't think anyone wins an election by coming out on a "pro busing" platform.  Although Bernie does have on his campaign website a blurb about repealing the federal law that prohibits federal funding to be used for transportation for the purpose of desegregation.  I think that's quite interesting, but ultimately a losing argument.  I'm pro Title III and magnet/charter schools.  That's what we did in Richmond.  It creates voluntary movement of children based on certain schools being 'centers of excellence' for certain subjects.  That works.  
  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,448
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Biden fired up right now on CNN. In Chicago and defending his record on many fronts. Sleepy Joe ain’t so sleepy.
    I'm fully team Warren (not that I have a say), but I really don't think Biden deserves a lot of the flack he's getting. I don't quite get why Dems tend to eat their own so rabidly these days. Everyone needs to calm down, apparently.
    Right.. argue on the merits, not cheap shots.  It was a cheap shot by Harris.  I expected more from her to be honest.  
    And I don't think anyone wins an election by coming out on a "pro busing" platform.  Although Bernie does have on his campaign website a blurb about repealing the federal law that prohibits federal funding to be used for transportation for the purpose of desegregation.  I think that's quite interesting, but ultimately a losing argument.  I'm pro Title III and magnet/charter schools.  That's what we did in Richmond.  It creates voluntary movement of children based on certain schools being 'centers of excellence' for certain subjects.  That works.  
    I agree about the cheapness, however I'm not convinced that these debates are about much more than producing soundbites that can linger in the news cycle for as long as possible, to reach the end goal of increased electability.
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  • Jason P
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    You would think being the VP of the first black man elected POTUS would carry some street creed ... you would be wrong.  You would have thought Obama's team would have vetted potential grand wizards of the KKK out. 
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  • F Me In The Brain
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    Jason P said:
    You would think being the VP of the first black man elected POTUS would carry some street creed ... you would be wrong.  You would have thought Obama's team would have vetted potential grand wizards of the KKK out. 
    Good point.
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
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    edited June 2019
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Biden fired up right now on CNN. In Chicago and defending his record on many fronts. Sleepy Joe ain’t so sleepy.
    Wasnt sleepy in the debate either. This narrative being built up, in this thread and elsewehere, about his sleepyness is not factual. Folks.

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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,919
    edited June 2019
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Biden fired up right now on CNN. In Chicago and defending his record on many fronts. Sleepy Joe ain’t so sleepy.
    Wasnt sleepy in the debate either. This narrative being built up, in this thread and elsewehere, about his sleepyness is not factual. Folks.

    BIDEN 2020 
    I agree he never seemed sleepy. Isn't Trump the one who made that up on Twitter??? I can't believe it actually appears to have stuck with liberals. Wtf?
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  • pjhawks
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    PJ_Soul said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Biden fired up right now on CNN. In Chicago and defending his record on many fronts. Sleepy Joe ain’t so sleepy.
    Wasnt sleepy in the debate either. This narrative being built up, in this thread and elsewehere, about his sleepyness is not factual. Folks.

    BIDEN 2020 
    I agree he never seemed sleepy. Isn't Trump the one who made that up on Twitter??? I can't believe it actually appears to have stuck with liberals. Wtf?
    he's not sleepy...he's just old.  the Dems have to do better than 76 year old Joe Biden and 77 year old Bernie Sanders.  If it makes me an ageist to say they are too old to be President...then call me an ageist.
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