New SAT tests have "Adversity Scoring". Is this doing kids a disservice?
                
                    tempo_n_groove                
                
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                    This should be a huge topic of debate.
The SAT's will now have something called an "adversity score" for kids with less than ideal ways of life.
So basically it's an Affirmative Action score for under privileged children?
Thoughts?
Teachers please way in.
http://time.com/5590396/sat-adversity-score/
                
                The SAT's will now have something called an "adversity score" for kids with less than ideal ways of life.
So basically it's an Affirmative Action score for under privileged children?
Thoughts?
Teachers please way in.
http://time.com/5590396/sat-adversity-score/
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            I'll weigh in later. Curious to hear from some teachers.0
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            Part of the intent is to “level the playing field for low income students,” the article states. Doesn’t financial aid take care of that?0
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            It's stupid. It is called the Scholastic Aptitude Test, later Scholastic Assessment Test. It should be just that. An assessment of what you know and have learned. While other factors, such as environmental, economic, etc... clearly have a role in education quality, they shouldn't play a part in scoring that the student actually knows. In fact, some universities today have chimed in and said they already take all of this into consideration and have all of that data via other means such as financial aid applications, the admission application, etc..., so this is an unnecessary distraction for the SAT. It doesn't belong as part of the test."I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/080
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            I used to think there wasn't really such a thing as a biased question or that income couldn't really impact your education. Then I became a teacher in South-Central LA. That definitely does exist, and probably a much larger issue than most think, especially in neighborhoods like South-Central.
 But to your question, does an adversity score help anyone? I don't think so. These tests are intended to be used as a basis for college readiness. If you put the SAT on a "curve" based on your background, you are just setting that person up for failure in college. Ask any college professor and they'll tell you every year their incoming freshmen get worse and worse. Unfortunately it doesn't matter what your background is, if you aren't prepared for college you can be setting yourself up for failure. Some of these standardized tests can actually be used to as placement, you will take remedial classes before taking a real college course.
 If not in college, then when do we expect someone to hold their own? If we do it for college, then their first job in the real world is going to be that much tougher when they are suddenly forced to realize they have the same expectations as everyone else. I see it now, we have IEPs for far too many kids to help them through high school and it doesn't help prepare many them, its a crutch they learn to rely on. This may have the same effect.0
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            Why is America still doing aptitude testing?Give Peas A Chance…0
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 Read the article and comment.Meltdown99 said:Why is America still doing aptitude testing?
 I'm not interested in why because that isn't going away in my lifetime.0
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            Complete bsI'll ride the wave where it takes me......0
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 Elaborate please, my teaching friend!mcgruff10 said:Complete bs0
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 Not with a defeatist attitude like that...tempo_n_groove said:
 Read the article and comment.Meltdown99 said:Why is America still doing aptitude testing?
 I'm not interested in why because that isn't going away in my lifetime. Give Peas A Chance…0 Give Peas A Chance…0
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 First sentence please.Meltdown99 said:
 Not with a defeatist attitude like that...tempo_n_groove said:
 Read the article and comment.Meltdown99 said:Why is America still doing aptitude testing?
 I'm not interested in why because that isn't going away in my lifetime. 
 Read the article and comment.
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            The article mentioned I think 15 different factors, but only listed about 5 of them. Anyone know if race or ethnicity will be one of them?0
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 It took me a bit, but I tracked down the detailed data description of the Environmental Context Dashboard. It is on the College Board's site. Race is not a factor.mace1229 said:The article mentioned I think 15 different factors, but only listed about 5 of them. Anyone know if race or ethnicity will be one of them?
 https://professionals.collegeboard.org/environmental-context-dashboard/detailed-data-descriptionNeighborhood measure comprised of income, family structure, housing, educational attainment, and likelihood of being a victim of a crime High school measure comprised of income, family structure, housing, and educational attainment - Median family income
- Percentage of all households in poverty (poverty rate)
- Percentage of families with children in poverty
- Percentage of households with food stamps
- Percentage of families that are single-parent families with children and in poverty
- Percentage of families that are single-parent families with children
- Percentage of housing units that are rental
- Percentage of housing units that are vacant
- Rent as a percentage of income
- Percentage of adults with less than a 4-year college degree
- Percentage of adults with less than a high school diploma
- Percentage of adults with agriculture jobs
- Percentage of adults with nonprofessional jobs
- Percentage unemployed
- College-going behavior
- Probability of being a victim of a crime
 - Median family income
- Percentage of all households in poverty (poverty rate)
- Percentage of families with children in poverty
- Percentage of households with food stamps
- Percentage of families that are single-parent families with children and in poverty
- Percentage of families that are single-parent families with children
- Percentage of housing units that are rental
- Percentage of housing units that are vacant
- Rent as a percentage of income
- Percentage of adults with less than a 4-year college degree
- Percentage of adults with less than a high school diploma
- Percentage of adults with agriculture jobs
- Percentage of adults with nonprofessional jobs
- Percentage unemployed
- College-going behavior
 "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/080
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 Does it mention anywhere what boxes get ticked at what percentage?jeffbr said:
 It took me a bit, but I tracked down the detailed data description of the Environmental Context Dashboard. It is on the College Board's site. Race is not a factor.mace1229 said:The article mentioned I think 15 different factors, but only listed about 5 of them. Anyone know if race or ethnicity will be one of them?
 https://professionals.collegeboard.org/environmental-context-dashboard/detailed-data-descriptionNeighborhood measure comprised of income, family structure, housing, educational attainment, and likelihood of being a victim of a crime High school measure comprised of income, family structure, housing, and educational attainment - Median family income
- Percentage of all households in poverty (poverty rate)
- Percentage of families with children in poverty
- Percentage of households with food stamps
- Percentage of families that are single-parent families with children and in poverty
- Percentage of families that are single-parent families with children
- Percentage of housing units that are rental
- Percentage of housing units that are vacant
- Rent as a percentage of income
- Percentage of adults with less than a 4-year college degree
- Percentage of adults with less than a high school diploma
- Percentage of adults with agriculture jobs
- Percentage of adults with nonprofessional jobs
- Percentage unemployed
- College-going behavior
- Probability of being a victim of a crime
 - Median family income
- Percentage of all households in poverty (poverty rate)
- Percentage of families with children in poverty
- Percentage of households with food stamps
- Percentage of families that are single-parent families with children and in poverty
- Percentage of families that are single-parent families with children
- Percentage of housing units that are rental
- Percentage of housing units that are vacant
- Rent as a percentage of income
- Percentage of adults with less than a 4-year college degree
- Percentage of adults with less than a high school diploma
- Percentage of adults with agriculture jobs
- Percentage of adults with nonprofessional jobs
- Percentage unemployed
- College-going behavior
 
 Meaning do "college going behavior" get more points than "median family income" and so on?0
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            Score everything the same for everyone. This is absurd.Pittsburgh 2013
 Cincinnati 2014
 Greenville 2016
 (Raleigh 2016)
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 I couldn't find anything about how these are weighted. It said that the dashboard will provide a score of 1 to 100 with 1 being the least disadvantaged, and 100 being the most disadvantaged, and that the data was normalized state-wide and nationally, but didn't talk at all about whether any of these factors carried more significance or weight than others in coming up with the dashboard score. Without knowing the formula, it is hard to know if this is good social science, or voodoo.tempo_n_groove said:
 Does it mention anywhere what boxes get ticked at what percentage?jeffbr said:
 It took me a bit, but I tracked down the detailed data description of the Environmental Context Dashboard. It is on the College Board's site. Race is not a factor.mace1229 said:The article mentioned I think 15 different factors, but only listed about 5 of them. Anyone know if race or ethnicity will be one of them?
 https://professionals.collegeboard.org/environmental-context-dashboard/detailed-data-descriptionNeighborhood measure comprised of income, family structure, housing, educational attainment, and likelihood of being a victim of a crime High school measure comprised of income, family structure, housing, and educational attainment - Median family income
- Percentage of all households in poverty (poverty rate)
- Percentage of families with children in poverty
- Percentage of households with food stamps
- Percentage of families that are single-parent families with children and in poverty
- Percentage of families that are single-parent families with children
- Percentage of housing units that are rental
- Percentage of housing units that are vacant
- Rent as a percentage of income
- Percentage of adults with less than a 4-year college degree
- Percentage of adults with less than a high school diploma
- Percentage of adults with agriculture jobs
- Percentage of adults with nonprofessional jobs
- Percentage unemployed
- College-going behavior
- Probability of being a victim of a crime
 - Median family income
- Percentage of all households in poverty (poverty rate)
- Percentage of families with children in poverty
- Percentage of households with food stamps
- Percentage of families that are single-parent families with children and in poverty
- Percentage of families that are single-parent families with children
- Percentage of housing units that are rental
- Percentage of housing units that are vacant
- Rent as a percentage of income
- Percentage of adults with less than a 4-year college degree
- Percentage of adults with less than a high school diploma
- Percentage of adults with agriculture jobs
- Percentage of adults with nonprofessional jobs
- Percentage unemployed
- College-going behavior
 
 Meaning do "college going behavior" get more points than "median family income" and so on?"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/080
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            I don’t understand how this is beneficial. All students should have an opportunity at higher education if they have the grades. That’s where financial aid comes in. Those who could not otherwise afford it are given the same opportunity to go to school. This “adversity scoring” makes zero sense to me.0
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 I understand it’s meant to help people that normally wouldn’t have a chance but if you’re applying for college, to me, you’ve got a great opportunity.bbiggs said:I don’t understand how this is beneficial. All students should have an opportunity at higher education if they have the grades. That’s where financial aid comes in. Those who could not otherwise afford it are given the same opportunity to go to school. This “adversity scoring” makes zero sense to me.
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            And does no one (no one who comes up with these ideas) realize that for ever person accepted into a college because of a curved SAT score, some middle class get is getting rejected?0
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 Or someone who may have had better grades and/or test scores is getting rejected. Not good.mace1229 said:And does no one (no one who comes up with these ideas) realize that for ever person accepted into a college because of a curved SAT score, some middle class get is getting rejected?0
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