Mom chases down teen son after he steals her BMW, spanks him with belt on side of road
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Exactly. Shouldn’t have left the keys laying around. Kind of like a gun.mace1229 said:responsible car owner until she wasn't.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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I meant when the parent is screaming verbal abuse, such as insults. I doubt your parents actually screamed your name, unless you were blocks away. Maybe they yelled.mcgruff10 said:
In my view screaming is definitely not verbal abuse. When I scream then shit is serious! lol I remember when my mom or dad used to say my first name and then middle name and then I knew shit was about to go down lol.oftenreading said:
I think there is a difference between raising your voice and screaming, in my view. When you raise your voice the volume is higher and you’re more forceful but still in control. Screaming implies that the parent has lost control and is resorting to verbal abuse.HughFreakingDillon said:
i'm on the fence about this. I mean, often times my kids won't bat an eye unless my voice is raised. I know I'll never hit them, but jesus, sometimes I wish they had it in the back of their mind that I might. They might fucking listen once in a while.oftenreading said:Unless your goal is to raise a kid that fears and hates you.
My dad raised his voice when necessary and I never hated him. Did I fear him? Maybe a little, but I don't think that's a bad thing. we had a good relationship when I was a kid and have a very healthy and respectful relationship now that we're both adults. we're actually friends that hang out and go to shows and stuff. maybe I'm underestimating what people mean by "screaming at your kids"?my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 - 
            
Yeah looking back at it I don't they ever screamed, just yelled. I know what you are saying. My wife and I don't scream, we yell. I get ya.oftenreading said:
I meant when the parent is screaming verbal abuse, such as insults. I doubt your parents actually screamed your name, unless you were blocks away. Maybe they yelled.mcgruff10 said:
In my view screaming is definitely not verbal abuse. When I scream then shit is serious! lol I remember when my mom or dad used to say my first name and then middle name and then I knew shit was about to go down lol.oftenreading said:
I think there is a difference between raising your voice and screaming, in my view. When you raise your voice the volume is higher and you’re more forceful but still in control. Screaming implies that the parent has lost control and is resorting to verbal abuse.HughFreakingDillon said:
i'm on the fence about this. I mean, often times my kids won't bat an eye unless my voice is raised. I know I'll never hit them, but jesus, sometimes I wish they had it in the back of their mind that I might. They might fucking listen once in a while.oftenreading said:Unless your goal is to raise a kid that fears and hates you.
My dad raised his voice when necessary and I never hated him. Did I fear him? Maybe a little, but I don't think that's a bad thing. we had a good relationship when I was a kid and have a very healthy and respectful relationship now that we're both adults. we're actually friends that hang out and go to shows and stuff. maybe I'm underestimating what people mean by "screaming at your kids"?I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 - 
            MC GRUFF 10!! MC GRUFF 10, YOU GET BACK IN HERE RIGHT NOW, MISTER!!my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0
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lol. Michael was ok.oftenreading said:MC GRUFF 10!! MC GRUFF 10, YOU GET BACK IN HERE RIGHT NOW, MISTER!!
Michael McGrath and I was in trouble.
Michael BRIAN McGrath and I knew my life was ending lol.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 - 
            He deserved it, lol.I do not condone beating kids at all of course. Regular spanking (as was acceptable when I was growing up) or this kind of thing, heat of the moment old school ass whomp for stealing a car, no real harm done? I don't really care - not my business, and I don't think it's anyone else's either. If I had kids I don't think I'd do it, but these aren't my kids. FTR, I got hit by a wooden spoon when I was a kid, and I did not fear or hate my mother.... at least not until I was a teenager, and that had nothing to do with the wooden spoon.
 Being spanked did not harm me. Post edited by PJ_Soul onWith all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 - 
            public abuse of a child is everyone's business.Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer0
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I just don’t see that as public abuse. The kid stole a god damn car for a second time.HughFreakingDillon said:public abuse of a child is everyone's business.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 - 
            
Exactly. I agree that public abuse of a child (or private abuse of a child) is absolutely everyone's business. Obviously my point was that I don't consider this (or regular spanking) abuse.mcgruff10 said:
I just don’t see that as public abuse. The kid stole a god damn car for a second time.HughFreakingDillon said:public abuse of a child is everyone's business.
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I misread your quote. I thought you were referring to all abuse/physical punishment. I went back and read it again and realized that's not what you said.PJ_Soul said:
Exactly. I agree that public abuse of a child (or private abuse of a child) is absolutely everyone's business. Obviously my point was that I don't consider this (or regular spanking) abuse.mcgruff10 said:
I just don’t see that as public abuse. The kid stole a god damn car for a second time.HughFreakingDillon said:public abuse of a child is everyone's business.Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer0 - 
            Hitting a child is abuse.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0
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I didn't watch the video (not about to watch it at work), but I'd tend to agree.oftenreading said:Hitting a child is abuse.
however, I think I know what they are saying. Would I get involved if i was at the supermarket and a person cuffed their kid upside the head? no. however, if they were using a weapon, I probably would.Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer0 - 
            Of course, if some parent was beating a child in a grocery store, I'm sure people would call 911. But that isn't the same as a grown teenager being hauled out of a stolen car on the side of the road being hit by the victim of their crime, is it?
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 - 
            
Yeah, it is, and the way you’ve phrased it in the worst possible light doesn’t change that.PJ_Soul said:Of course, if some parent was beating a child in a grocery store, I'm sure people would call 911. But that isn't the same as a grown teenager being hauled out of a stolen car on the side of the road being hit by the victim of their crime, is it?my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 - 
            
I think I've phrased it the way it happened....oftenreading said:
Yeah, it is, and the way you’ve phrased it in the worst possible light doesn’t change that.PJ_Soul said:Of course, if some parent was beating a child in a grocery store, I'm sure people would call 911. But that isn't the same as a grown teenager being hauled out of a stolen car on the side of the road being hit by the victim of their crime, is it?
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There are a variety of different ways to phrase a description of almost any action, and you’ve chosen to phrase it in close to the most negative light possible.PJ_Soul said:
I think I've phrased it the way it happened....oftenreading said:
Yeah, it is, and the way you’ve phrased it in the worst possible light doesn’t change that.PJ_Soul said:Of course, if some parent was beating a child in a grocery store, I'm sure people would call 911. But that isn't the same as a grown teenager being hauled out of a stolen car on the side of the road being hit by the victim of their crime, is it?
What even is a “grown teenager”? My thoughts go immediately to “vat grown”, but that’s only because I read too much SciFi; otherwise, it makes no sense. Thirteen years old aren’t grown up.
And if parents are victims of crimes when their kids take something, then pretty much any parent of a kid above one year old is a victim of a crime, because those little buggers take a lot of things. Most of it we get back.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 - 
            
hitting someone is assault no matter how you spin it (unless it's self defense, which this is not)PJ_Soul said:Of course, if some parent was beating a child in a grocery store, I'm sure people would call 911. But that isn't the same as a grown teenager being hauled out of a stolen car on the side of the road being hit by the victim of their crime, is it?Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer0 - 
            
Sure, and I also enjoyed it when that neo-nazi got punched in the face. Sometimes people deserve to get whomped even though it is assault, and we ALL have scenarios where we'd be happy to be the assaulter.HughFreakingDillon said:
hitting someone is assault no matter how you spin it (unless it's self defense, which this is not)PJ_Soul said:Of course, if some parent was beating a child in a grocery store, I'm sure people would call 911. But that isn't the same as a grown teenager being hauled out of a stolen car on the side of the road being hit by the victim of their crime, is it?
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speak for yourself.PJ_Soul said:
Sure, and I also enjoyed it when that neo-nazi got punched in the face. Sometimes people deserve to get whomped even though it is assault, and we ALL have scenarios where we'd be happy to be the assaulter.HughFreakingDillon said:
hitting someone is assault no matter how you spin it (unless it's self defense, which this is not)PJ_Soul said:Of course, if some parent was beating a child in a grocery store, I'm sure people would call 911. But that isn't the same as a grown teenager being hauled out of a stolen car on the side of the road being hit by the victim of their crime, is it?Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer0 - 
            
Say that if you see some guy say something super sexual and inappropriate or something to your daughter or something along those lines. We ALL have our scenarios. Even you I'm sure.HughFreakingDillon said:
speak for yourself.PJ_Soul said:
Sure, and I also enjoyed it when that neo-nazi got punched in the face. Sometimes people deserve to get whomped even though it is assault, and we ALL have scenarios where we'd be happy to be the assaulter.HughFreakingDillon said:
hitting someone is assault no matter how you spin it (unless it's self defense, which this is not)PJ_Soul said:Of course, if some parent was beating a child in a grocery store, I'm sure people would call 911. But that isn't the same as a grown teenager being hauled out of a stolen car on the side of the road being hit by the victim of their crime, is it?
Post edited by PJ_Soul onWith all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 
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