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  • vito
    vito Chicago Posts: 2,029
    edited May 2019
    It's convenience is just a masking way of saying how lazy this last generation is! None of it was thought out for the endgame and the consequences they would have. The I need it now generation is nothing more than the laziest generation the world has ever known. Is the sound quality better through streaming services? As NY has stated it is horrific and the listener is getting maybe 20% of the actual recorded sound! The mucic industry is not better and streaming music is not the answer for anyone involved. Sorry I digressed, lol.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 51,020
    edited May 2019
    vito said:
    It's convenience is just a masking way of saying how lazy this last generation is! And just like the Internet and Facebook Streaming Services and all this other modern technoligy has ruined the modern world and done more damage than actual good. None of it was thought out for the endgame and the consequences they would cause. The I need it now generaqtion is nothing more than the laziest generation the world has ever known. Sorry I digressed, lol.
    WOW. :lol:



    FWIW, there are LOTS of amazingly non-lazy Millenials and Gen Zs. They are no worse than the generations that preceded them, and in some ways they are arguably better. I really find this kind of attack on younger people a disagreeable attitude exuded by all people who are getting old and more resistant to change, and every generation has its share of aging people who adopt this kind of opinion about the younger generations (I am a Gen Xer who works with and is friends with these younger folks, and they are awesome). In any case, hell yes, I want to be able to listen to music seamlessly while I'm out and about, without having to spend hours of my time on gathering it together, and without dragging physical media around with me, and it's not because I'm lazy, lol!
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  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,512
    pjl44 said:
    I don't think the industry is broken. I think big technological advances are causing growing pains and some aspects are really fluid. As a consumer I'm mostly happy. Most of my gripes are on me. I need to do a better job of organizing music within the services; I need to figure out how to better manage my digital and physical libraries. One thing that kills me is I converted my collection to digital a decade or so ago and sold back most of my cds. 100% regret that decision. 
    Ditto on my CD collection. Sold them all at garage sales and to a Pawn Shop. That was back when you could get $3 - $5 per CD at the Pawn Shop and $8 at garage sales. I doubt they pay that anymore. I got lots of compliments on the music selection. I retained about 50 of my original amount. Had to keep essentials like PJ, RATM, Soundgarden, AIC, Metallica, Tool, Led Zep and The Beatles.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,707
    PJ_Soul said:
    pjl44 said:
    I don't think the industry is broken. I think big technological advances are causing growing pains and some aspects are really fluid. As a consumer I'm mostly happy. Most of my gripes are on me. I need to do a better job of organizing music within the services; I need to figure out how to better manage my digital and physical libraries. One thing that kills me is I converted my collection to digital a decade or so ago and sold back most of my cds. 100% regret that decision. 
    Lol, I threw out every single CD case and put all the discs in CD albums or whatever you call them. HUGE regret. It never occurred to me that I might want to actually send the off to the secondary market someday. Now I really can't!
    Yeah, some are semi-valuable. And some of it flat out doesn't exist on any streaming service. Thankfully I have all the mp3s but, like you're saying, I'll need to transfer all of that to some device to listen on the go. It would be so much easier if I just liked Top 40 radio!
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,707
    vito said:
    It's convenience is just a masking way of saying how lazy this last generation is! None of it was thought out for the endgame and the consequences they would have. The I need it now generation is nothing more than the laziest generation the world has ever known. Is the sound quality better through streaming services? As NY has stated it is horrific and the listener is getting maybe 20% of the actual recorded sound! The mucic industry is not better and streaming music is not the answer for anyone involved. Sorry I digressed, lol.
    Ha! Unfortunately you can't stop progress, man. As a stickler for sound quality, there is definitely more work involved. But I'm optimistic for the future. Like PJ_Soul is saying, having that volume of music available on demand is a big step forward.
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    These streaming services have contributed to the decline in music quality and they are not fair to the artist.
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 10,423
    They are definitely not fair to the artist getting paid, but I don’t think there has been any decline in music quality. 
  • timdwilli
    timdwilli Posts: 297
    The artists definitely deserve more, but there are two sides to that story. Spotify has only just become profitable in the last couple quarters...it costs a lot of money to run these platforms! They weren't going to pay the artists more only to go further into the red themselves. To @PJ_Soul 's point, $10 per month is a steal for this kind of access. They could double the price and most people would still see the value and cancellations would be minimal, leaving a larger pie for everyone (especially artists) to get a piece of. Additionally, it is free advertising for many small artists...I have so much stuff on my phone that I would never even listen to if it wasn't *free* and I'm sure most users would say the same. And this, in turn, leads to people going to shows, buying merch, etc.
  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 10,423
    Its the majors getting all the money from streaming. 

    Jason Isbell said he gets 3 streaming checks per month, one for being the artist, one for being the writer and one for running his label. He said the label one is by far and away the biggest check. So thats why artists aren't getting paid. 
  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 10,423
    Meltdown99 said:
    These streaming services have contributed to the decline in music quality and they are not fair to the artist.
    Wait, Do you mean quality of the stream? Or quality of the music? 


  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 51,020
    edited May 2019
    I agree that they could and should charge more for Spotify. I would have no prob with $15 or $20 (The one improvement I would expect if they did that would be the removal of the mysterious and utterly pointless and inexplicable 10,000 song-per-playlist cap they have, including with the main song library. I filled my library limit within a year, and am now on my 3rd "library spillover" playlist. This sucks because I can't shuffle between playlists, so when I want to just shuffle play my library (which is what I do 85% of the time), the selections are limited to whatever library playlist I happen to choose. I want to shuffle all 30,000+++ songs! That is my only complaint as a Spotify user. I know that there is a consumer outcry about this issue on their community pages, and Spotify has only marked it as "a good idea" so far, so they do know the heaviest spotify users want this. Why they won't do it is beyond me, since this would NOT put any increased pressure on their servers or anything like that. All it is is song tagging. It would be a simple coding upgrade. It's so weird. Spotify's only excuse has been that most users never hit 10,000 songs in their song library... which I find surprising. But also irrelevant. Obviously their most dedicated users will indeed easily exceed that limit. Even if we're only 1 - 5% of users, the simplicity of such an upgrade makes their refusal to make the improvement very frustrating. Not the end of world - you can have as many 10,000 song playlists as you want... but only the one actual song library allows you to mark the songs as selected (shows a check mark). Not having that checkmark for all the other songs in the other playlists you build presents some inconvenience.
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  • timdwilli
    timdwilli Posts: 297
    Tim Simmons said:
    Its the majors getting all the money from streaming. 

    Jason Isbell said he gets 3 streaming checks per month, one for being the artist, one for being the writer and one for running his label. He said the label one is by far and away the biggest check. So thats why artists aren't getting paid. 
    Well that's between the artists and their label...and that is a battle as old as the industry itself, and can hardly be blamed on the streaming services
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,707
    I certainly want to see artists get paid and will always listen to them on the best way to contribute - I buy physical media, I buy concert tickets, I buy merch.

    But I have way too much other shit to worry about than to concern myself with royalty battles. Get better representation? Form advisory non-profits for younger artists? I ain't an agent.

    It's like when they used to bitch to fans about record deals. I have no doubt the industry is rife with scumbags. But I've also seen bands completely piss away careers with partying, fighting, lunacy, or all of the above. I imagine it's just a nutty goddamn business from top to bottom. 
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Tim Simmons said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    These streaming services have contributed to the decline in music quality and they are not fair to the artist.
    Wait, Do you mean quality of the stream? Or quality of the music? 


    Both.  
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 51,020
    pjl44 said:
    I certainly want to see artists get paid and will always listen to them on the best way to contribute - I buy physical media, I buy concert tickets, I buy merch.

    But I have way too much other shit to worry about than to concern myself with royalty battles. Get better representation? Form advisory non-profits for younger artists? I ain't an agent.

    It's like when they used to bitch to fans about record deals. I have no doubt the industry is rife with scumbags. But I've also seen bands completely piss away careers with partying, fighting, lunacy, or all of the above. I imagine it's just a nutty goddamn business from top to bottom. 
    Agreed.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 10,423
    edited May 2019
    timdwilli said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    Its the majors getting all the money from streaming. 

    Jason Isbell said he gets 3 streaming checks per month, one for being the artist, one for being the writer and one for running his label. He said the label one is by far and away the biggest check. So thats why artists aren't getting paid. 
    Well that's between the artists and their label...and that is a battle as old as the industry itself, and can hardly be blamed on the streaming services
    Well, yeah you can because streaming is the dominant form to consume music so there is less to go around. 
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  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 10,423
    Meltdown99 said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    These streaming services have contributed to the decline in music quality and they are not fair to the artist.
    Wait, Do you mean quality of the stream? Or quality of the music? 


    Both.  
    See I think music quality is better than ever. Tons of great stuff and access to check out whatever you want plus exposure to stuff you would have never checked out. 

  • Get_Right
    Get_Right Posts: 14,238
    I use apple music and I love it.  Never a problem finding what I want to listen to, with a few exceptions. Blue tooth speakers all over the house. Not the same as playing that Japanese import through the vintage wired system, but its fine for me and the family. I haven't sold my old CDs and speakers, etc., but they are sitting in the closet. 
  • Of The Aggie
    Of The Aggie The ATX Posts: 1,553
    I am a Spotify subscriber and a physical media junkie.  I like Spotify to try out things that I might want to eventually buy on vinyl.  If I only sorta like it then it goes into my Spotify library for occasional listening.  I also use Spotify to listen to live albums and deluxe reissues.  Although sometime I find that these deluxe versions can disappear after a while.  I don't know if it's the artist or the label that removes them.  I used to listen to the New order deluxe versions and then they were gone.  I also has listened to Smashing Pumpkins big B-side/Rarities collection but then it was gone too.  Since I buy most of the main albums I like I don't worry too much when deluxe editions disappear.  But I would never use Spotify as my main source of music.  Too many frustrations with the apps and how things are stored/organized.  And if they went under, I'd lose everything.

    I also frequent used CD places and pick up a ton of stuff for $1/CD.  I then add it to my vast collection that I manage with Plex so I have access to it wherever I am. 
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 51,020
    Of The Aggie said:
    I am a Spotify subscriber and a physical media junkie.  I like Spotify to try out things that I might want to eventually buy on vinyl.  If I only sorta like it then it goes into my Spotify library for occasional listening.  I also use Spotify to listen to live albums and deluxe reissues.  Although sometime I find that these deluxe versions can disappear after a while.  I don't know if it's the artist or the label that removes them.  I used to listen to the New order deluxe versions and then they were gone.  I also has listened to Smashing Pumpkins big B-side/Rarities collection but then it was gone too.  Since I buy most of the main albums I like I don't worry too much when deluxe editions disappear.  But I would never use Spotify as my main source of music.  Too many frustrations with the apps and how things are stored/organized.  And if they went under, I'd lose everything.

    I also frequent used CD places and pick up a ton of stuff for $1/CD.  I then add it to my vast collection that I manage with Plex so I have access to it wherever I am. 
    For sure. I am a vinyl fiend, but Spotify is absolutely PRICELESS to me when it comes to discovering new music and figuring out what is and isn't worth spending vinyl money on. The ease and frequency at which I now find fantastic new (or new to me) artists because of Spotify never fails to amaze me. It's honestly opened up a whole new world for me in terms of music. I thought YouTube was doing a pretty good job of this before the rise of the music streaming platforms, but I was really only tapping the tip of the iceberg, as it turns out.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata

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