The Democratic Candidates

Spiritual_Chaos said:

And her idea of breaking up companies come from the view of them having a position of monopoly, right? In what way is that "dumb", if they do have that position. 

PJ_Soul said:

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mcgruff10 said:

Warren lost me at breaking up amazon.  Dumbest idea in a long time. Biden 2020

You don't have to agree, but she hardly sounds dumb in her argument for it: https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/04/23/elizabeth-warren-amazon-google-big-tech-break-up-town-hall-vpx.cnn

I think the platform argument is off base.  It's instructive that she chose fb, Google and Amazon,  and left off Apple who is the closest to the legal definition of a monopoly.  Amazon is the furthest. 

She didn't leave out Apple. She included Apple by name in that video. She speaks specifically about Amazon in detail because the person who asked the question was specifically asking about Amazon.

njnancy said:

mcgruff10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mcgruff10 said:

Warren lost me at breaking up amazon.  Dumbest idea in a long time. Biden 2020

Dumber than the idea of Trump doing his darndest to work for the good of the american people when he's past the Mueller report?

Why on earth would someone want to break up amazon and what benefit would it have? 

Small businesses, like book stores, could perhaps thrive or at least have a fighting chance. I miss book stores, they have disappeared largely. I used to spend an inordinate amount of time in them. Full disclosure, I am an Amazon Prime member. 

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mrussel1 said:

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PJ_Soul said:

Just another editorial on that sexism point I believe in, for consideration.

https://medium.com/s/jessica-valenti/ill-vote-for-a-woman-just-not-that-woman-9ed2db07321?fbclid=IwAR1veOLQoo3D-WhIx7JvkHTUhWIX1SvKN87qJV_OPIZI9mC4vDYcvEO3uyI

I voted for Hillary in the Virginia primary and advocated for her tirelessly on this site.  That included many verbal throw downs against the Bernie fans here.   I won't vote for Warren because of her policies.  Do you think im sexist? Do you think im the only white male like that?

I think maybe you didn't read the article?

I did.  If the only argument is that women are judged by a different standard,  then I agree.  But women are just as judgmental on that same physical standard as men are.  

I'm reading all of these articles with the subtle context that any man that doesn't vie for a woman has some embedded sexist reason.  Maybe im reading too much into it. 

Then I don't understand why you asked me the questions you did. I liked this article partly because it specifically responds to your reaction of "I have supported women, do you think I'm sexist?"

I think that I know what you are trying to say @PJ_Soul. You aren't saying that there aren't men and women who will campaign and vote for a woman - there are many who will. The underlying point is that unless you are a woman then you really can't understand how obvious it is that the chances of a woman getting in the White House are so slim. Being a woman I have felt the double standard that exists that allows for women to be in certain places of prominence but not in others.

Women who climb the ladder to the top have to have an extremely thick skin because there are people, women included, who are biased against women being in power and are blatant about it and there is the other feeling that people don't realize that they are putting off. Every time you are, doing almost anything in life, you are aware of certain nuances and prejudices (intended or not) that exist. 

It is the same kind of thing when I think about what it is like for a black person to function in America. I know things that happen to them, I have been with people when they have been treated unfairly when I wouldn't even have been noticed, I have the knowledge that these biases exist. I think it is horrible. I hate that it happens.

But my skin is white so I don't know what it FEELS like to function as a black person in society. I don't know the mindset that a black person has to ready themselves for at the beginning of the day depending on what they are about to do that day. There is no way I can ever understand what it is like to hear people locking their car doors as I walk across the street. I act differently with authority figures because I don't have the same heightened awareness that black and brown people do. I don't have to fear for my child the same way a black person would, and take precautions. 

As a white woman, I have encountered harassment in every aspect of my life - high school, college, jobs, career, societal, walking down the street. It was normal for most of my life. And you just learned to deal with it. A guy could know that that happens but they can't know how it FEELS and how a woman is aware of certain limitations and how we have to adjust depending on situations. We have to ready ourselves for certain situations. Men aren't bad, they just don't have the same experience as a woman living day to day. 

I am not in the least bit surprised that a black man was voted into the WH before a woman, I just never thought it would be in my lifetime. I think that a gay man could be elected before a straight white woman. There are people who are open about their feelings that a woman does not belong in high places, let alone Commander in Chief. We know this, we feel it and we fight to not be held back by the biases that some people have. It is a learned way of living. 

I hope that is what you meant Alli. If not I apologize for getting it wrong. 

Jason P said:

mrussel1 said:

Jason P said:

You can't say monopoly and Amazon in the same sentence unless you are talking about buying the game from them instead of 1,000 other retailers online.

And you don't.. why? Because you like 2 day shipping and no hassle returns.  Nothing is stopping anyone else from doing the same.

Interestingly,  because Walmart and others are now getting to 2 day shipping,  Amazon announced s dramatic move to get to 1 day nationwide. That's a perfect example of why they aren't a monopoly. 

agree.  if they had a monopoly the would charge $15 for 5 day ground shipping and charge over retail price.

Hi! said:

I understand what you’re all saying about the breaking up of these businesses, but what about when the candidates talk about the fact that they pay 0 in federal taxes. Do they have a point? What should a non educated voter, like myself lol, make of these statements. I’m assuming Amazon generates and pays some sort of taxes, no?