The Democratic Candidates

The Juggler said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

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mrussel1 said:

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mrussel1 said:

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The Juggler said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

The Juggler said:

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The Juggler said:

CM189191 said:

my2hands said:

what dreams said:

Why is it that Bernie Sanders won't accept responsibility for losing the nomination in 2016? All he ever does is blame everyone else. I've never heard him publicly say it was his fault. He lost because he was an awful candidate who couldn't get people excited enough to vote for him. He should just go away. If he loses this time, who will he blame?

Hmmm . . .   where have I heard this before???? 

If he was an awful candidate, then what was the candidate that LOST to Donald Trump?

Yeah, she fucking sucked

3 million + sucked

Sanders would've gotten CRUSHED had he been the nominee. 

Eh...I dunno. At least he had people passionate about him. There were people that enthusiastically voted for him in the primary, and probably would have in the general had he won. It didn't appear that many were  passionate or enthusiastic about Hillary. Even I voted for her just under the premise of "Well, I guess I have to." 

For as passionate as those people were, the less likeable candidate still got 4 million more votes (55%-43%) than him in the primaries. 

That seems a little arbitrary. Trump had more viable candidates in Kasich, Cruz, Rubio, and even Carson against him to take away votes while Hillary just had Bernie to contend with. And even if I'm wrong about that making a difference...has it really come to this, Juggler? Cherry-picking numbers like the percentage of the vote Hillary and Trump got in their respective primaries? That's like a fan of the 18-0 Patriots arguing "Yeah? Well the Pats BEAT the Giants in week 17 that year!"

Dude...huh? Are you drunk? I’m comparing Hillary’s to Bernie’s numbers. If he got smoked by her in the primary and she couldn’t beat Trump in the general, why on earth would you think he would’ve done better than her?

speaking as a canadian who doesn't vote more than once per election cycle, what are the turnout numbers in the primaries vs the general? is it not possible that a lot of people don't vote in the primaries and just wait for the general?

Yes the turnout is much lower.  But it's hard to have sympathy for people who choose not to participate and then complain about the outcome. 

my question was more geared towards juggler's comment that it is simple math that if hillary won the primary, and lost to trump, that obviously that means bernie loses to trump. but if what you say is true, and is what I suspected, it's not a case of simple math. if she was the most disliked candidate in history, how is it a slam dunk that bernie would have lost to trump?

it's not. 

You're correct.  Any assumptions on the other side are just as tenuous. 

My gut, which is all I have but is the best gut, says that the word "socialist" would have been difficult for Bernie to overcome. But maybe that would not have hurt him as much as 25 years of Hillary being the most hated woman in America.  So who knows...

it's interesting.....before the election, I had no idea she was the "most hated woman in america". is this just revisionist history?

When Bill hit the scene in about 1991, people hated her immediately.  Most hated woman in America?  Maybe not, but she was hated from day 1.  I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, but I really believe much of it was because she was the kind of woman that could succeed with or without her husband; not necessarily what we wanted (then or now) out of our first ladies.

Well she sure proved that notion wrong as stood beside Bill despite him fucking other women because it was in her best political interest to be Bill Clinton's wife. More of a political partnership than a marriage. And judging by their net worth...a successful one. But I'd have way more respect for her if she kicked him to the curb and went about the rest of her political career on her own. 

This certainly fueled my dislike for her back in the day. I've always felt that everything she did from the early 90's, to sticking with Bill, to running for senate etc etc was all politically calculated to eventually get her the presidency. Ironically, I think her net favorable s would've been higher had she left him. And, yeah, I would've had more respect for her as well if she did. 

tbergs said:

mcgruff10 said:

Good news!

This would immediately make every other dem almost a non-factor besides Sanders. Back to the standard old white dudes duking it out for control of the country. I like it and I hate it because the better candidates all have no chance, but I think Biden thumps Trump in a general. Not even close.

Halifax2TheMax said:

oftenreading said:

Every time I hear this discussion I am once again floored by how judgemental people are about someone’s decision to stay in a marriage, and the assumptions people make about said marriage. 

Hey but don’t dare make an analogy about divorced dads.

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mcgruff10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mcgruff10 said:

tbergs said:

mcgruff10 said:

Good news!

This would immediately make every other dem almost a non-factor besides Sanders. Back to the standard old white dudes duking it out for control of the country. I like it and I hate it because the better candidates all have no chance, but I think Biden thumps Trump in a general. Not even close.

Agreed however his resume is pretty damn impressive.  

You are wrong. He is a known entity. But he could be gone after the first debate. 

You don’t think Biden has a solid resume?

I don't agree that the rest will be a non-factor. 

He had a solid resume last time when he ran and lost.

Biden has the Obama legacy and a bigger name recognition then the rest right now. I don't think those factors will matter enough to make other dems "almost a non-factor" after the first debate and the newscycle following it.

Halifax2TheMax said:

cincybearcat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

oftenreading said:

Every time I hear this discussion I am once again floored by how judgemental people are about someone’s decision to stay in a marriage, and the assumptions people make about said marriage. 

Hey but don’t dare make an analogy about divorced dads.

The kinda comment days later that makes you nothing more than the Fox News / National Enquirer of the board.  

The kind of thread that makes me wonder if you would have started the thread if it was Melania commenting on Obama. Good to see that days later you’re still wringing your hands. Buck up buttercup, it’ll be okay.