The Democratic Candidates
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“Follow the money from Russia with love and a PTape all the way to impeachment.” Ongoing investigations, one of which equates to money laundering of ill gotten funds via kleptocracy.Ledbetterman10 said:
I don't know. Maybe your pee trail to Russia with love (or whatever it is you always say) leads not to Trump, but to a "Trump-type," in Kraft.Halifax2TheMax said:
Stole his fucking ring too. Talk about about kleptocracy!Ledbetterman10 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
Except the refs were Putin on the ritz with the assist.Ledbetterman10 said:
That seems a little arbitrary. Trump had more viable candidates in Kasich, Cruz, Rubio, and even Carson against him to take away votes while Hillary just had Bernie to contend with. And even if I'm wrong about that making a difference...has it really come to this, Juggler? Cherry-picking numbers like the percentage of the vote Hillary and Trump got in their respective primaries? That's like a fan of the 18-0 Patriots arguing "Yeah? Well the Pats BEAT the Giants in week 17 that year!"The Juggler said:
For as passionate as those people were, the less likeable candidate still got 4 million more votes (55%-43%) than him in the primaries.Ledbetterman10 said:
Eh...I dunno. At least he had people passionate about him. There were people that enthusiastically voted for him in the primary, and probably would have in the general had he won. It didn't appear that many were passionate or enthusiastic about Hillary. Even I voted for her just under the premise of "Well, I guess I have to."The Juggler said:
Sanders would've gotten CRUSHED had he been the nominee.CM189191 said:
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If he was an awful candidate, then what was the candidate that LOST to Donald Trump?what dreams said:Why is it that Bernie Sanders won't accept responsibility for losing the nomination in 2016? All he ever does is blame everyone else. I've never heard him publicly say it was his fault. He lost because he was an awful candidate who couldn't get people excited enough to vote for him. He should just go away. If he loses this time, who will he blame?
Hmmm . . . where have I heard this before????
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I think you are underestimating the dislike for Hillary. For those who were leaning against voting for Trump, the choice of Hillary pushed many towards voting for him. From what I read, she was seen as a worse option than Trump by a lot of people.The Juggler said:
Dude...huh? Are you drunk? I’m comparing Hillary’s to Bernie’s numbers. If he got smoked by her in the primary and she couldn’t beat Trump in the general, why on earth would you think he would’ve done better than her?Ledbetterman10 said:
That seems a little arbitrary. Trump had more viable candidates in Kasich, Cruz, Rubio, and even Carson against him to take away votes while Hillary just had Bernie to contend with. And even if I'm wrong about that making a difference...has it really come to this, Juggler? Cherry-picking numbers like the percentage of the vote Hillary and Trump got in their respective primaries? That's like a fan of the 18-0 Patriots arguing "Yeah? Well the Pats BEAT the Giants in week 17 that year!"The Juggler said:
For as passionate as those people were, the less likeable candidate still got 4 million more votes (55%-43%) than him in the primaries.Ledbetterman10 said:
Eh...I dunno. At least he had people passionate about him. There were people that enthusiastically voted for him in the primary, and probably would have in the general had he won. It didn't appear that many were passionate or enthusiastic about Hillary. Even I voted for her just under the premise of "Well, I guess I have to."The Juggler said:
Sanders would've gotten CRUSHED had he been the nominee.CM189191 said:
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If he was an awful candidate, then what was the candidate that LOST to Donald Trump?what dreams said:Why is it that Bernie Sanders won't accept responsibility for losing the nomination in 2016? All he ever does is blame everyone else. I've never heard him publicly say it was his fault. He lost because he was an awful candidate who couldn't get people excited enough to vote for him. He should just go away. If he loses this time, who will he blame?
Hmmm . . . where have I heard this before????
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Oh, I totally agree with this. We’re splitting hairs but I was just pointing out that their primary totals are not very meaningful. Most party people would have voted for either one.The Juggler said:
I disagree. The socialist tag would’ve done him in big time. Moderate independents would’ve been even more less likely to vote for him than her. And you can’t discount the primary. Everyone likes to say how passionate his supporters are/were....but despite all that hype he still lost rather handily.OnWis97 said:
I don’t know that the Dem primary means a lot. The question is whether less-involved people (ie those who don’t vote in primaries) would have come out. Or even if some Trump votes would not have occurred because Bernie doesn’t have her baggage. I think he’d have lost but I don’t think their primary totals mean much for their prospects in the general.The Juggler said:
Dude...huh? Are you drunk? I’m comparing Hillary’s to Bernie’s numbers. If he got smoked by her in the primary and she couldn’t beat Trump in the general, why on earth would you think he would’ve done better than her?Ledbetterman10 said:
That seems a little arbitrary. Trump had more viable candidates in Kasich, Cruz, Rubio, and even Carson against him to take away votes while Hillary just had Bernie to contend with. And even if I'm wrong about that making a difference...has it really come to this, Juggler? Cherry-picking numbers like the percentage of the vote Hillary and Trump got in their respective primaries? That's like a fan of the 18-0 Patriots arguing "Yeah? Well the Pats BEAT the Giants in week 17 that year!"The Juggler said:
For as passionate as those people were, the less likeable candidate still got 4 million more votes (55%-43%) than him in the primaries.Ledbetterman10 said:
Eh...I dunno. At least he had people passionate about him. There were people that enthusiastically voted for him in the primary, and probably would have in the general had he won. It didn't appear that many were passionate or enthusiastic about Hillary. Even I voted for her just under the premise of "Well, I guess I have to."The Juggler said:
Sanders would've gotten CRUSHED had he been the nominee.CM189191 said:
3 million + suckedmy2hands said:
If he was an awful candidate, then what was the candidate that LOST to Donald Trump?what dreams said:Why is it that Bernie Sanders won't accept responsibility for losing the nomination in 2016? All he ever does is blame everyone else. I've never heard him publicly say it was his fault. He lost because he was an awful candidate who couldn't get people excited enough to vote for him. He should just go away. If he loses this time, who will he blame?
Hmmm . . . where have I heard this before????
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Halifax2TheMax said:
Stole his fucking ring too. Talk about about kleptocracy!Ledbetterman10 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
Except the refs were Putin on the ritz with the assist.Ledbetterman10 said:
That seems a little arbitrary. Trump had more viable candidates in Kasich, Cruz, Rubio, and even Carson against him to take away votes while Hillary just had Bernie to contend with. And even if I'm wrong about that making a difference...has it really come to this, Juggler? Cherry-picking numbers like the percentage of the vote Hillary and Trump got in their respective primaries? That's like a fan of the 18-0 Patriots arguing "Yeah? Well the Pats BEAT the Giants in week 17 that year!"The Juggler said:
For as passionate as those people were, the less likeable candidate still got 4 million more votes (55%-43%) than him in the primaries.Ledbetterman10 said:
Eh...I dunno. At least he had people passionate about him. There were people that enthusiastically voted for him in the primary, and probably would have in the general had he won. It didn't appear that many were passionate or enthusiastic about Hillary. Even I voted for her just under the premise of "Well, I guess I have to."The Juggler said:
Sanders would've gotten CRUSHED had he been the nominee.CM189191 said:
3 million + suckedmy2hands said:
If he was an awful candidate, then what was the candidate that LOST to Donald Trump?what dreams said:Why is it that Bernie Sanders won't accept responsibility for losing the nomination in 2016? All he ever does is blame everyone else. I've never heard him publicly say it was his fault. He lost because he was an awful candidate who couldn't get people excited enough to vote for him. He should just go away. If he loses this time, who will he blame?
Hmmm . . . where have I heard this before????
Yeah, she fucking sucked
Kraft hangs with Putin... Putin makes him his bitch and just steals his ring (not sure I believe that, but ok)…. Kraft exploits sexual traffic victims... Brady, Kraft, and the dickhead coach are ALL MAGA supporters.... They have been CAUGHT & PUNISHED for cheating TWICE... they employed a stone cold murderer and avoided all the red flags... AND Brady wears UGGS...…and Halifax is still a supporter???
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and Trump is friends with all of them......my2hands said:Halifax2TheMax said:
Stole his fucking ring too. Talk about about kleptocracy!Ledbetterman10 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
Except the refs were Putin on the ritz with the assist.Ledbetterman10 said:
That seems a little arbitrary. Trump had more viable candidates in Kasich, Cruz, Rubio, and even Carson against him to take away votes while Hillary just had Bernie to contend with. And even if I'm wrong about that making a difference...has it really come to this, Juggler? Cherry-picking numbers like the percentage of the vote Hillary and Trump got in their respective primaries? That's like a fan of the 18-0 Patriots arguing "Yeah? Well the Pats BEAT the Giants in week 17 that year!"The Juggler said:
For as passionate as those people were, the less likeable candidate still got 4 million more votes (55%-43%) than him in the primaries.Ledbetterman10 said:
Eh...I dunno. At least he had people passionate about him. There were people that enthusiastically voted for him in the primary, and probably would have in the general had he won. It didn't appear that many were passionate or enthusiastic about Hillary. Even I voted for her just under the premise of "Well, I guess I have to."The Juggler said:
Sanders would've gotten CRUSHED had he been the nominee.CM189191 said:
3 million + suckedmy2hands said:
If he was an awful candidate, then what was the candidate that LOST to Donald Trump?what dreams said:Why is it that Bernie Sanders won't accept responsibility for losing the nomination in 2016? All he ever does is blame everyone else. I've never heard him publicly say it was his fault. He lost because he was an awful candidate who couldn't get people excited enough to vote for him. He should just go away. If he loses this time, who will he blame?
Hmmm . . . where have I heard this before????
Yeah, she fucking sucked
Kraft hangs with Putin... Putin makes him his bitch and just steals his ring (not sure I believe that, but ok)…. Kraft exploits sexual traffic victims... Brady, Kraft, and the dickhead coach are ALL MAGA supporters.... They have been CAUGHT & PUNISHED for cheating TWICE... they employed a stone cold murderer and avoided all the red flags... AND Brady wears UGGS...…and Halifax is still a supporter???
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There are no sex trafficking charges. Putin on the ritz stealing his ring is well documented by reliable sources. Still afraid to answer the question? You a Steelers fan, sis?my2hands said:Halifax2TheMax said:
Stole his fucking ring too. Talk about about kleptocracy!Ledbetterman10 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
Except the refs were Putin on the ritz with the assist.Ledbetterman10 said:
That seems a little arbitrary. Trump had more viable candidates in Kasich, Cruz, Rubio, and even Carson against him to take away votes while Hillary just had Bernie to contend with. And even if I'm wrong about that making a difference...has it really come to this, Juggler? Cherry-picking numbers like the percentage of the vote Hillary and Trump got in their respective primaries? That's like a fan of the 18-0 Patriots arguing "Yeah? Well the Pats BEAT the Giants in week 17 that year!"The Juggler said:
For as passionate as those people were, the less likeable candidate still got 4 million more votes (55%-43%) than him in the primaries.Ledbetterman10 said:
Eh...I dunno. At least he had people passionate about him. There were people that enthusiastically voted for him in the primary, and probably would have in the general had he won. It didn't appear that many were passionate or enthusiastic about Hillary. Even I voted for her just under the premise of "Well, I guess I have to."The Juggler said:
Sanders would've gotten CRUSHED had he been the nominee.CM189191 said:
3 million + suckedmy2hands said:
If he was an awful candidate, then what was the candidate that LOST to Donald Trump?what dreams said:Why is it that Bernie Sanders won't accept responsibility for losing the nomination in 2016? All he ever does is blame everyone else. I've never heard him publicly say it was his fault. He lost because he was an awful candidate who couldn't get people excited enough to vote for him. He should just go away. If he loses this time, who will he blame?
Hmmm . . . where have I heard this before????
Yeah, she fucking sucked
Kraft hangs with Putin... Putin makes him his bitch and just steals his ring (not sure I believe that, but ok)…. Kraft exploits sexual traffic victims... Brady, Kraft, and the dickhead coach are ALL MAGA supporters.... They have been CAUGHT & PUNISHED for cheating TWICE... they employed a stone cold murderer and avoided all the red flags... AND Brady wears UGGS...…and Halifax is still a supporter???
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Yeah the ring wasn't stolen. Kraft just paying Putin back what was owed. Reminder that Kraft turned up in the Panama Papers.... Anyone remember those?my2hands said:Halifax2TheMax said:
Stole his fucking ring too. Talk about about kleptocracy!Ledbetterman10 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
Except the refs were Putin on the ritz with the assist.Ledbetterman10 said:
That seems a little arbitrary. Trump had more viable candidates in Kasich, Cruz, Rubio, and even Carson against him to take away votes while Hillary just had Bernie to contend with. And even if I'm wrong about that making a difference...has it really come to this, Juggler? Cherry-picking numbers like the percentage of the vote Hillary and Trump got in their respective primaries? That's like a fan of the 18-0 Patriots arguing "Yeah? Well the Pats BEAT the Giants in week 17 that year!"The Juggler said:
For as passionate as those people were, the less likeable candidate still got 4 million more votes (55%-43%) than him in the primaries.Ledbetterman10 said:
Eh...I dunno. At least he had people passionate about him. There were people that enthusiastically voted for him in the primary, and probably would have in the general had he won. It didn't appear that many were passionate or enthusiastic about Hillary. Even I voted for her just under the premise of "Well, I guess I have to."The Juggler said:
Sanders would've gotten CRUSHED had he been the nominee.CM189191 said:
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If he was an awful candidate, then what was the candidate that LOST to Donald Trump?what dreams said:Why is it that Bernie Sanders won't accept responsibility for losing the nomination in 2016? All he ever does is blame everyone else. I've never heard him publicly say it was his fault. He lost because he was an awful candidate who couldn't get people excited enough to vote for him. He should just go away. If he loses this time, who will he blame?
Hmmm . . . where have I heard this before????
Yeah, she fucking sucked
Kraft hangs with Putin... Putin makes him his bitch and just steals his ring (not sure I believe that, but ok)…. Kraft exploits sexual traffic victims... Brady, Kraft, and the dickhead coach are ALL MAGA supporters.... They have been CAUGHT & PUNISHED for cheating TWICE... they employed a stone cold murderer and avoided all the red flags... AND Brady wears UGGS...…and Halifax is still a supporter???
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Marcia Brady loves his uggs...my2hands said:Halifax2TheMax said:
Stole his fucking ring too. Talk about about kleptocracy!Ledbetterman10 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
Except the refs were Putin on the ritz with the assist.Ledbetterman10 said:
That seems a little arbitrary. Trump had more viable candidates in Kasich, Cruz, Rubio, and even Carson against him to take away votes while Hillary just had Bernie to contend with. And even if I'm wrong about that making a difference...has it really come to this, Juggler? Cherry-picking numbers like the percentage of the vote Hillary and Trump got in their respective primaries? That's like a fan of the 18-0 Patriots arguing "Yeah? Well the Pats BEAT the Giants in week 17 that year!"The Juggler said:
For as passionate as those people were, the less likeable candidate still got 4 million more votes (55%-43%) than him in the primaries.Ledbetterman10 said:
Eh...I dunno. At least he had people passionate about him. There were people that enthusiastically voted for him in the primary, and probably would have in the general had he won. It didn't appear that many were passionate or enthusiastic about Hillary. Even I voted for her just under the premise of "Well, I guess I have to."The Juggler said:
Sanders would've gotten CRUSHED had he been the nominee.CM189191 said:
3 million + suckedmy2hands said:
If he was an awful candidate, then what was the candidate that LOST to Donald Trump?what dreams said:Why is it that Bernie Sanders won't accept responsibility for losing the nomination in 2016? All he ever does is blame everyone else. I've never heard him publicly say it was his fault. He lost because he was an awful candidate who couldn't get people excited enough to vote for him. He should just go away. If he loses this time, who will he blame?
Hmmm . . . where have I heard this before????
Yeah, she fucking sucked
Kraft hangs with Putin... Putin makes him his bitch and just steals his ring (not sure I believe that, but ok)…. Kraft exploits sexual traffic victims... Brady, Kraft, and the dickhead coach are ALL MAGA supporters.... They have been CAUGHT & PUNISHED for cheating TWICE... they employed a stone cold murderer and avoided all the red flags... AND Brady wears UGGS...…and Halifax is still a supporter???
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I missed or forgot that you like Trump cheaters.Halifax2TheMax said:
There are no sex trafficking charges. Putin on the ritz stealing his ring is well documented by reliable sources. Still afraid to answer the question? You a Steelers fan, sis?my2hands said:Halifax2TheMax said:
Stole his fucking ring too. Talk about about kleptocracy!Ledbetterman10 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
Except the refs were Putin on the ritz with the assist.Ledbetterman10 said:
That seems a little arbitrary. Trump had more viable candidates in Kasich, Cruz, Rubio, and even Carson against him to take away votes while Hillary just had Bernie to contend with. And even if I'm wrong about that making a difference...has it really come to this, Juggler? Cherry-picking numbers like the percentage of the vote Hillary and Trump got in their respective primaries? That's like a fan of the 18-0 Patriots arguing "Yeah? Well the Pats BEAT the Giants in week 17 that year!"The Juggler said:
For as passionate as those people were, the less likeable candidate still got 4 million more votes (55%-43%) than him in the primaries.Ledbetterman10 said:
Eh...I dunno. At least he had people passionate about him. There were people that enthusiastically voted for him in the primary, and probably would have in the general had he won. It didn't appear that many were passionate or enthusiastic about Hillary. Even I voted for her just under the premise of "Well, I guess I have to."The Juggler said:
Sanders would've gotten CRUSHED had he been the nominee.CM189191 said:
3 million + suckedmy2hands said:
If he was an awful candidate, then what was the candidate that LOST to Donald Trump?what dreams said:Why is it that Bernie Sanders won't accept responsibility for losing the nomination in 2016? All he ever does is blame everyone else. I've never heard him publicly say it was his fault. He lost because he was an awful candidate who couldn't get people excited enough to vote for him. He should just go away. If he loses this time, who will he blame?
Hmmm . . . where have I heard this before????
Yeah, she fucking sucked
Kraft hangs with Putin... Putin makes him his bitch and just steals his ring (not sure I believe that, but ok)…. Kraft exploits sexual traffic victims... Brady, Kraft, and the dickhead coach are ALL MAGA supporters.... They have been CAUGHT & PUNISHED for cheating TWICE... they employed a stone cold murderer and avoided all the red flags... AND Brady wears UGGS...…and Halifax is still a supporter???
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speaking as a canadian who doesn't vote more than once per election cycle, what are the turnout numbers in the primaries vs the general? is it not possible that a lot of people don't vote in the primaries and just wait for the general?The Juggler said:
Dude...huh? Are you drunk? I’m comparing Hillary’s to Bernie’s numbers. If he got smoked by her in the primary and she couldn’t beat Trump in the general, why on earth would you think he would’ve done better than her?Ledbetterman10 said:
That seems a little arbitrary. Trump had more viable candidates in Kasich, Cruz, Rubio, and even Carson against him to take away votes while Hillary just had Bernie to contend with. And even if I'm wrong about that making a difference...has it really come to this, Juggler? Cherry-picking numbers like the percentage of the vote Hillary and Trump got in their respective primaries? That's like a fan of the 18-0 Patriots arguing "Yeah? Well the Pats BEAT the Giants in week 17 that year!"The Juggler said:
For as passionate as those people were, the less likeable candidate still got 4 million more votes (55%-43%) than him in the primaries.Ledbetterman10 said:
Eh...I dunno. At least he had people passionate about him. There were people that enthusiastically voted for him in the primary, and probably would have in the general had he won. It didn't appear that many were passionate or enthusiastic about Hillary. Even I voted for her just under the premise of "Well, I guess I have to."The Juggler said:
Sanders would've gotten CRUSHED had he been the nominee.CM189191 said:
3 million + suckedmy2hands said:
If he was an awful candidate, then what was the candidate that LOST to Donald Trump?what dreams said:Why is it that Bernie Sanders won't accept responsibility for losing the nomination in 2016? All he ever does is blame everyone else. I've never heard him publicly say it was his fault. He lost because he was an awful candidate who couldn't get people excited enough to vote for him. He should just go away. If he loses this time, who will he blame?
Hmmm . . . where have I heard this before????
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cognitive dissonancemy2hands said:Halifax2TheMax said:
Stole his fucking ring too. Talk about about kleptocracy!Ledbetterman10 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
Except the refs were Putin on the ritz with the assist.Ledbetterman10 said:
That seems a little arbitrary. Trump had more viable candidates in Kasich, Cruz, Rubio, and even Carson against him to take away votes while Hillary just had Bernie to contend with. And even if I'm wrong about that making a difference...has it really come to this, Juggler? Cherry-picking numbers like the percentage of the vote Hillary and Trump got in their respective primaries? That's like a fan of the 18-0 Patriots arguing "Yeah? Well the Pats BEAT the Giants in week 17 that year!"The Juggler said:
For as passionate as those people were, the less likeable candidate still got 4 million more votes (55%-43%) than him in the primaries.Ledbetterman10 said:
Eh...I dunno. At least he had people passionate about him. There were people that enthusiastically voted for him in the primary, and probably would have in the general had he won. It didn't appear that many were passionate or enthusiastic about Hillary. Even I voted for her just under the premise of "Well, I guess I have to."The Juggler said:
Sanders would've gotten CRUSHED had he been the nominee.CM189191 said:
3 million + suckedmy2hands said:
If he was an awful candidate, then what was the candidate that LOST to Donald Trump?what dreams said:Why is it that Bernie Sanders won't accept responsibility for losing the nomination in 2016? All he ever does is blame everyone else. I've never heard him publicly say it was his fault. He lost because he was an awful candidate who couldn't get people excited enough to vote for him. He should just go away. If he loses this time, who will he blame?
Hmmm . . . where have I heard this before????
Yeah, she fucking sucked
Kraft hangs with Putin... Putin makes him his bitch and just steals his ring (not sure I believe that, but ok)…. Kraft exploits sexual traffic victims... Brady, Kraft, and the dickhead coach are ALL MAGA supporters.... They have been CAUGHT & PUNISHED for cheating TWICE... they employed a stone cold murderer and avoided all the red flags... AND Brady wears UGGS...…and Halifax is still a supporter???
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Halifax2TheMax said:
There are no sex trafficking charges. Putin on the ritz stealing his ring is well documented by reliable sources. Still afraid to answer the question? You a Steelers fan, sis?my2hands said:Halifax2TheMax said:
Stole his fucking ring too. Talk about about kleptocracy!Ledbetterman10 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
Except the refs were Putin on the ritz with the assist.Ledbetterman10 said:
That seems a little arbitrary. Trump had more viable candidates in Kasich, Cruz, Rubio, and even Carson against him to take away votes while Hillary just had Bernie to contend with. And even if I'm wrong about that making a difference...has it really come to this, Juggler? Cherry-picking numbers like the percentage of the vote Hillary and Trump got in their respective primaries? That's like a fan of the 18-0 Patriots arguing "Yeah? Well the Pats BEAT the Giants in week 17 that year!"The Juggler said:
For as passionate as those people were, the less likeable candidate still got 4 million more votes (55%-43%) than him in the primaries.Ledbetterman10 said:
Eh...I dunno. At least he had people passionate about him. There were people that enthusiastically voted for him in the primary, and probably would have in the general had he won. It didn't appear that many were passionate or enthusiastic about Hillary. Even I voted for her just under the premise of "Well, I guess I have to."The Juggler said:
Sanders would've gotten CRUSHED had he been the nominee.CM189191 said:
3 million + suckedmy2hands said:
If he was an awful candidate, then what was the candidate that LOST to Donald Trump?what dreams said:Why is it that Bernie Sanders won't accept responsibility for losing the nomination in 2016? All he ever does is blame everyone else. I've never heard him publicly say it was his fault. He lost because he was an awful candidate who couldn't get people excited enough to vote for him. He should just go away. If he loses this time, who will he blame?
Hmmm . . . where have I heard this before????
Yeah, she fucking sucked
Kraft hangs with Putin... Putin makes him his bitch and just steals his ring (not sure I believe that, but ok)…. Kraft exploits sexual traffic victims... Brady, Kraft, and the dickhead coach are ALL MAGA supporters.... They have been CAUGHT & PUNISHED for cheating TWICE... they employed a stone cold murderer and avoided all the red flags... AND Brady wears UGGS...…and Halifax is still a supporter???
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Yes the turnout is much lower. But it's hard to have sympathy for people who choose not to participate and then complain about the outcome.HughFreakingDillon said:
speaking as a canadian who doesn't vote more than once per election cycle, what are the turnout numbers in the primaries vs the general? is it not possible that a lot of people don't vote in the primaries and just wait for the general?The Juggler said:
Dude...huh? Are you drunk? I’m comparing Hillary’s to Bernie’s numbers. If he got smoked by her in the primary and she couldn’t beat Trump in the general, why on earth would you think he would’ve done better than her?Ledbetterman10 said:
That seems a little arbitrary. Trump had more viable candidates in Kasich, Cruz, Rubio, and even Carson against him to take away votes while Hillary just had Bernie to contend with. And even if I'm wrong about that making a difference...has it really come to this, Juggler? Cherry-picking numbers like the percentage of the vote Hillary and Trump got in their respective primaries? That's like a fan of the 18-0 Patriots arguing "Yeah? Well the Pats BEAT the Giants in week 17 that year!"The Juggler said:
For as passionate as those people were, the less likeable candidate still got 4 million more votes (55%-43%) than him in the primaries.Ledbetterman10 said:
Eh...I dunno. At least he had people passionate about him. There were people that enthusiastically voted for him in the primary, and probably would have in the general had he won. It didn't appear that many were passionate or enthusiastic about Hillary. Even I voted for her just under the premise of "Well, I guess I have to."The Juggler said:
Sanders would've gotten CRUSHED had he been the nominee.CM189191 said:
3 million + suckedmy2hands said:
If he was an awful candidate, then what was the candidate that LOST to Donald Trump?what dreams said:Why is it that Bernie Sanders won't accept responsibility for losing the nomination in 2016? All he ever does is blame everyone else. I've never heard him publicly say it was his fault. He lost because he was an awful candidate who couldn't get people excited enough to vote for him. He should just go away. If he loses this time, who will he blame?
Hmmm . . . where have I heard this before????
Yeah, she fucking sucked0 -
my question was more geared towards juggler's comment that it is simple math that if hillary won the primary, and lost to trump, that obviously that means bernie loses to trump. but if what you say is true, and is what I suspected, it's not a case of simple math. if she was the most disliked candidate in history, how is it a slam dunk that bernie would have lost to trump?mrussel1 said:
Yes the turnout is much lower. But it's hard to have sympathy for people who choose not to participate and then complain about the outcome.HughFreakingDillon said:
speaking as a canadian who doesn't vote more than once per election cycle, what are the turnout numbers in the primaries vs the general? is it not possible that a lot of people don't vote in the primaries and just wait for the general?The Juggler said:
Dude...huh? Are you drunk? I’m comparing Hillary’s to Bernie’s numbers. If he got smoked by her in the primary and she couldn’t beat Trump in the general, why on earth would you think he would’ve done better than her?Ledbetterman10 said:
That seems a little arbitrary. Trump had more viable candidates in Kasich, Cruz, Rubio, and even Carson against him to take away votes while Hillary just had Bernie to contend with. And even if I'm wrong about that making a difference...has it really come to this, Juggler? Cherry-picking numbers like the percentage of the vote Hillary and Trump got in their respective primaries? That's like a fan of the 18-0 Patriots arguing "Yeah? Well the Pats BEAT the Giants in week 17 that year!"The Juggler said:
For as passionate as those people were, the less likeable candidate still got 4 million more votes (55%-43%) than him in the primaries.Ledbetterman10 said:
Eh...I dunno. At least he had people passionate about him. There were people that enthusiastically voted for him in the primary, and probably would have in the general had he won. It didn't appear that many were passionate or enthusiastic about Hillary. Even I voted for her just under the premise of "Well, I guess I have to."The Juggler said:
Sanders would've gotten CRUSHED had he been the nominee.CM189191 said:
3 million + suckedmy2hands said:
If he was an awful candidate, then what was the candidate that LOST to Donald Trump?what dreams said:Why is it that Bernie Sanders won't accept responsibility for losing the nomination in 2016? All he ever does is blame everyone else. I've never heard him publicly say it was his fault. He lost because he was an awful candidate who couldn't get people excited enough to vote for him. He should just go away. If he loses this time, who will he blame?
Hmmm . . . where have I heard this before????
Yeah, she fucking sucked
it's not.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
You're correct. Any assumptions on the other side are just as tenuous.HughFreakingDillon said:
my question was more geared towards juggler's comment that it is simple math that if hillary won the primary, and lost to trump, that obviously that means bernie loses to trump. but if what you say is true, and is what I suspected, it's not a case of simple math. if she was the most disliked candidate in history, how is it a slam dunk that bernie would have lost to trump?mrussel1 said:
Yes the turnout is much lower. But it's hard to have sympathy for people who choose not to participate and then complain about the outcome.HughFreakingDillon said:
speaking as a canadian who doesn't vote more than once per election cycle, what are the turnout numbers in the primaries vs the general? is it not possible that a lot of people don't vote in the primaries and just wait for the general?The Juggler said:
Dude...huh? Are you drunk? I’m comparing Hillary’s to Bernie’s numbers. If he got smoked by her in the primary and she couldn’t beat Trump in the general, why on earth would you think he would’ve done better than her?Ledbetterman10 said:
That seems a little arbitrary. Trump had more viable candidates in Kasich, Cruz, Rubio, and even Carson against him to take away votes while Hillary just had Bernie to contend with. And even if I'm wrong about that making a difference...has it really come to this, Juggler? Cherry-picking numbers like the percentage of the vote Hillary and Trump got in their respective primaries? That's like a fan of the 18-0 Patriots arguing "Yeah? Well the Pats BEAT the Giants in week 17 that year!"The Juggler said:
For as passionate as those people were, the less likeable candidate still got 4 million more votes (55%-43%) than him in the primaries.Ledbetterman10 said:
Eh...I dunno. At least he had people passionate about him. There were people that enthusiastically voted for him in the primary, and probably would have in the general had he won. It didn't appear that many were passionate or enthusiastic about Hillary. Even I voted for her just under the premise of "Well, I guess I have to."The Juggler said:
Sanders would've gotten CRUSHED had he been the nominee.CM189191 said:
3 million + suckedmy2hands said:
If he was an awful candidate, then what was the candidate that LOST to Donald Trump?what dreams said:Why is it that Bernie Sanders won't accept responsibility for losing the nomination in 2016? All he ever does is blame everyone else. I've never heard him publicly say it was his fault. He lost because he was an awful candidate who couldn't get people excited enough to vote for him. He should just go away. If he loses this time, who will he blame?
Hmmm . . . where have I heard this before????
Yeah, she fucking sucked
it's not.0 -
What is really odd is that a lot of tRump voters would have voted for Bernie. My guess is that they wouldn't vote for tRump againHughFreakingDillon said:
my question was more geared towards juggler's comment that it is simple math that if hillary won the primary, and lost to trump, that obviously that means bernie loses to trump. but if what you say is true, and is what I suspected, it's not a case of simple math. if she was the most disliked candidate in history, how is it a slam dunk that bernie would have lost to trump?mrussel1 said:
Yes the turnout is much lower. But it's hard to have sympathy for people who choose not to participate and then complain about the outcome.HughFreakingDillon said:
speaking as a canadian who doesn't vote more than once per election cycle, what are the turnout numbers in the primaries vs the general? is it not possible that a lot of people don't vote in the primaries and just wait for the general?The Juggler said:
Dude...huh? Are you drunk? I’m comparing Hillary’s to Bernie’s numbers. If he got smoked by her in the primary and she couldn’t beat Trump in the general, why on earth would you think he would’ve done better than her?Ledbetterman10 said:
That seems a little arbitrary. Trump had more viable candidates in Kasich, Cruz, Rubio, and even Carson against him to take away votes while Hillary just had Bernie to contend with. And even if I'm wrong about that making a difference...has it really come to this, Juggler? Cherry-picking numbers like the percentage of the vote Hillary and Trump got in their respective primaries? That's like a fan of the 18-0 Patriots arguing "Yeah? Well the Pats BEAT the Giants in week 17 that year!"The Juggler said:
For as passionate as those people were, the less likeable candidate still got 4 million more votes (55%-43%) than him in the primaries.Ledbetterman10 said:
Eh...I dunno. At least he had people passionate about him. There were people that enthusiastically voted for him in the primary, and probably would have in the general had he won. It didn't appear that many were passionate or enthusiastic about Hillary. Even I voted for her just under the premise of "Well, I guess I have to."The Juggler said:
Sanders would've gotten CRUSHED had he been the nominee.CM189191 said:
3 million + suckedmy2hands said:
If he was an awful candidate, then what was the candidate that LOST to Donald Trump?what dreams said:Why is it that Bernie Sanders won't accept responsibility for losing the nomination in 2016? All he ever does is blame everyone else. I've never heard him publicly say it was his fault. He lost because he was an awful candidate who couldn't get people excited enough to vote for him. He should just go away. If he loses this time, who will he blame?
Hmmm . . . where have I heard this before????
Yeah, she fucking sucked
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My gut, which is all I have but is the best gut, says that the word "socialist" would have been difficult for Bernie to overcome. But maybe that would not have hurt him as much as 25 years of Hillary being the most hated woman in America. So who knows...mrussel1 said:
You're correct. Any assumptions on the other side are just as tenuous.HughFreakingDillon said:
my question was more geared towards juggler's comment that it is simple math that if hillary won the primary, and lost to trump, that obviously that means bernie loses to trump. but if what you say is true, and is what I suspected, it's not a case of simple math. if she was the most disliked candidate in history, how is it a slam dunk that bernie would have lost to trump?mrussel1 said:
Yes the turnout is much lower. But it's hard to have sympathy for people who choose not to participate and then complain about the outcome.HughFreakingDillon said:
speaking as a canadian who doesn't vote more than once per election cycle, what are the turnout numbers in the primaries vs the general? is it not possible that a lot of people don't vote in the primaries and just wait for the general?The Juggler said:
Dude...huh? Are you drunk? I’m comparing Hillary’s to Bernie’s numbers. If he got smoked by her in the primary and she couldn’t beat Trump in the general, why on earth would you think he would’ve done better than her?Ledbetterman10 said:
That seems a little arbitrary. Trump had more viable candidates in Kasich, Cruz, Rubio, and even Carson against him to take away votes while Hillary just had Bernie to contend with. And even if I'm wrong about that making a difference...has it really come to this, Juggler? Cherry-picking numbers like the percentage of the vote Hillary and Trump got in their respective primaries? That's like a fan of the 18-0 Patriots arguing "Yeah? Well the Pats BEAT the Giants in week 17 that year!"The Juggler said:
For as passionate as those people were, the less likeable candidate still got 4 million more votes (55%-43%) than him in the primaries.Ledbetterman10 said:
Eh...I dunno. At least he had people passionate about him. There were people that enthusiastically voted for him in the primary, and probably would have in the general had he won. It didn't appear that many were passionate or enthusiastic about Hillary. Even I voted for her just under the premise of "Well, I guess I have to."The Juggler said:
Sanders would've gotten CRUSHED had he been the nominee.CM189191 said:
3 million + suckedmy2hands said:
If he was an awful candidate, then what was the candidate that LOST to Donald Trump?what dreams said:Why is it that Bernie Sanders won't accept responsibility for losing the nomination in 2016? All he ever does is blame everyone else. I've never heard him publicly say it was his fault. He lost because he was an awful candidate who couldn't get people excited enough to vote for him. He should just go away. If he loses this time, who will he blame?
Hmmm . . . where have I heard this before????
Yeah, she fucking sucked
it's not.1995 Milwaukee 1998 Alpine, Alpine 2003 Albany, Boston, Boston, Boston 2004 Boston, Boston 2006 Hartford, St. Paul (Petty), St. Paul (Petty) 2011 Alpine, Alpine
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it's interesting.....before the election, I had no idea she was the "most hated woman in america". is this just revisionist history?OnWis97 said:
My gut, which is all I have but is the best gut, says that the word "socialist" would have been difficult for Bernie to overcome. But maybe that would not have hurt him as much as 25 years of Hillary being the most hated woman in America. So who knows...mrussel1 said:
You're correct. Any assumptions on the other side are just as tenuous.HughFreakingDillon said:
my question was more geared towards juggler's comment that it is simple math that if hillary won the primary, and lost to trump, that obviously that means bernie loses to trump. but if what you say is true, and is what I suspected, it's not a case of simple math. if she was the most disliked candidate in history, how is it a slam dunk that bernie would have lost to trump?mrussel1 said:
Yes the turnout is much lower. But it's hard to have sympathy for people who choose not to participate and then complain about the outcome.HughFreakingDillon said:
speaking as a canadian who doesn't vote more than once per election cycle, what are the turnout numbers in the primaries vs the general? is it not possible that a lot of people don't vote in the primaries and just wait for the general?The Juggler said:
Dude...huh? Are you drunk? I’m comparing Hillary’s to Bernie’s numbers. If he got smoked by her in the primary and she couldn’t beat Trump in the general, why on earth would you think he would’ve done better than her?Ledbetterman10 said:
That seems a little arbitrary. Trump had more viable candidates in Kasich, Cruz, Rubio, and even Carson against him to take away votes while Hillary just had Bernie to contend with. And even if I'm wrong about that making a difference...has it really come to this, Juggler? Cherry-picking numbers like the percentage of the vote Hillary and Trump got in their respective primaries? That's like a fan of the 18-0 Patriots arguing "Yeah? Well the Pats BEAT the Giants in week 17 that year!"The Juggler said:
For as passionate as those people were, the less likeable candidate still got 4 million more votes (55%-43%) than him in the primaries.Ledbetterman10 said:
Eh...I dunno. At least he had people passionate about him. There were people that enthusiastically voted for him in the primary, and probably would have in the general had he won. It didn't appear that many were passionate or enthusiastic about Hillary. Even I voted for her just under the premise of "Well, I guess I have to."The Juggler said:
Sanders would've gotten CRUSHED had he been the nominee.CM189191 said:
3 million + suckedmy2hands said:
If he was an awful candidate, then what was the candidate that LOST to Donald Trump?what dreams said:Why is it that Bernie Sanders won't accept responsibility for losing the nomination in 2016? All he ever does is blame everyone else. I've never heard him publicly say it was his fault. He lost because he was an awful candidate who couldn't get people excited enough to vote for him. He should just go away. If he loses this time, who will he blame?
Hmmm . . . where have I heard this before????
Yeah, she fucking sucked
it's not.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
When Bill hit the scene in about 1991, people hated her immediately. Most hated woman in America? Maybe not, but she was hated from day 1. I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, but I really believe much of it was because she was the kind of woman that could succeed with or without her husband; not necessarily what we wanted (then or now) out of our first ladies.HughFreakingDillon said:
it's interesting.....before the election, I had no idea she was the "most hated woman in america". is this just revisionist history?OnWis97 said:
My gut, which is all I have but is the best gut, says that the word "socialist" would have been difficult for Bernie to overcome. But maybe that would not have hurt him as much as 25 years of Hillary being the most hated woman in America. So who knows...mrussel1 said:
You're correct. Any assumptions on the other side are just as tenuous.HughFreakingDillon said:
my question was more geared towards juggler's comment that it is simple math that if hillary won the primary, and lost to trump, that obviously that means bernie loses to trump. but if what you say is true, and is what I suspected, it's not a case of simple math. if she was the most disliked candidate in history, how is it a slam dunk that bernie would have lost to trump?mrussel1 said:
Yes the turnout is much lower. But it's hard to have sympathy for people who choose not to participate and then complain about the outcome.HughFreakingDillon said:
speaking as a canadian who doesn't vote more than once per election cycle, what are the turnout numbers in the primaries vs the general? is it not possible that a lot of people don't vote in the primaries and just wait for the general?The Juggler said:
Dude...huh? Are you drunk? I’m comparing Hillary’s to Bernie’s numbers. If he got smoked by her in the primary and she couldn’t beat Trump in the general, why on earth would you think he would’ve done better than her?Ledbetterman10 said:
That seems a little arbitrary. Trump had more viable candidates in Kasich, Cruz, Rubio, and even Carson against him to take away votes while Hillary just had Bernie to contend with. And even if I'm wrong about that making a difference...has it really come to this, Juggler? Cherry-picking numbers like the percentage of the vote Hillary and Trump got in their respective primaries? That's like a fan of the 18-0 Patriots arguing "Yeah? Well the Pats BEAT the Giants in week 17 that year!"The Juggler said:
For as passionate as those people were, the less likeable candidate still got 4 million more votes (55%-43%) than him in the primaries.Ledbetterman10 said:
Eh...I dunno. At least he had people passionate about him. There were people that enthusiastically voted for him in the primary, and probably would have in the general had he won. It didn't appear that many were passionate or enthusiastic about Hillary. Even I voted for her just under the premise of "Well, I guess I have to."The Juggler said:
Sanders would've gotten CRUSHED had he been the nominee.CM189191 said:
3 million + suckedmy2hands said:
If he was an awful candidate, then what was the candidate that LOST to Donald Trump?what dreams said:Why is it that Bernie Sanders won't accept responsibility for losing the nomination in 2016? All he ever does is blame everyone else. I've never heard him publicly say it was his fault. He lost because he was an awful candidate who couldn't get people excited enough to vote for him. He should just go away. If he loses this time, who will he blame?
Hmmm . . . where have I heard this before????
Yeah, she fucking sucked
it's not.1995 Milwaukee 1998 Alpine, Alpine 2003 Albany, Boston, Boston, Boston 2004 Boston, Boston 2006 Hartford, St. Paul (Petty), St. Paul (Petty) 2011 Alpine, Alpine
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That and that she cut her teeth as a young staffer on the Nixon impeachment committee.OnWis97 said:
When Bill hit the scene in about 1991, people hated her immediately. Most hated woman in America? Maybe not, but she was hated from day 1. I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, but I really believe much of it was because she was the kind of woman that could succeed with or without her husband; not necessarily what we wanted (then or now) out of our first ladies.HughFreakingDillon said:
it's interesting.....before the election, I had no idea she was the "most hated woman in america". is this just revisionist history?OnWis97 said:
My gut, which is all I have but is the best gut, says that the word "socialist" would have been difficult for Bernie to overcome. But maybe that would not have hurt him as much as 25 years of Hillary being the most hated woman in America. So who knows...mrussel1 said:
You're correct. Any assumptions on the other side are just as tenuous.HughFreakingDillon said:
my question was more geared towards juggler's comment that it is simple math that if hillary won the primary, and lost to trump, that obviously that means bernie loses to trump. but if what you say is true, and is what I suspected, it's not a case of simple math. if she was the most disliked candidate in history, how is it a slam dunk that bernie would have lost to trump?mrussel1 said:
Yes the turnout is much lower. But it's hard to have sympathy for people who choose not to participate and then complain about the outcome.HughFreakingDillon said:
speaking as a canadian who doesn't vote more than once per election cycle, what are the turnout numbers in the primaries vs the general? is it not possible that a lot of people don't vote in the primaries and just wait for the general?The Juggler said:
Dude...huh? Are you drunk? I’m comparing Hillary’s to Bernie’s numbers. If he got smoked by her in the primary and she couldn’t beat Trump in the general, why on earth would you think he would’ve done better than her?Ledbetterman10 said:
That seems a little arbitrary. Trump had more viable candidates in Kasich, Cruz, Rubio, and even Carson against him to take away votes while Hillary just had Bernie to contend with. And even if I'm wrong about that making a difference...has it really come to this, Juggler? Cherry-picking numbers like the percentage of the vote Hillary and Trump got in their respective primaries? That's like a fan of the 18-0 Patriots arguing "Yeah? Well the Pats BEAT the Giants in week 17 that year!"The Juggler said:
For as passionate as those people were, the less likeable candidate still got 4 million more votes (55%-43%) than him in the primaries.Ledbetterman10 said:
Eh...I dunno. At least he had people passionate about him. There were people that enthusiastically voted for him in the primary, and probably would have in the general had he won. It didn't appear that many were passionate or enthusiastic about Hillary. Even I voted for her just under the premise of "Well, I guess I have to."The Juggler said:
Sanders would've gotten CRUSHED had he been the nominee.CM189191 said:
3 million + suckedmy2hands said:
If he was an awful candidate, then what was the candidate that LOST to Donald Trump?what dreams said:Why is it that Bernie Sanders won't accept responsibility for losing the nomination in 2016? All he ever does is blame everyone else. I've never heard him publicly say it was his fault. He lost because he was an awful candidate who couldn't get people excited enough to vote for him. He should just go away. If he loses this time, who will he blame?
Hmmm . . . where have I heard this before????
Yeah, she fucking sucked
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