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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,696
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    mcgruff10 said:
    josevolution said:
    OnWis97 said:
    I actually think if we can avoid the usual traps of insults, etc., this is an interesting topic.

    TRUMP: Just another republican or greater threat?'

    Just another republican
    • Appointing conservative judges? Nothing new.
    • Polarizing?  Who wasn't?
    • Doesn't care about the environment.  Neither did W.
    • Serves the rich.  Well, that was the entire basis of St. Ronald's presidency.
    • War profiteering is as American as apple pie...hell, I myself think W became president in large part to make money for some rich folks.
    • You can shoot holes through any administration's record on being non-authoritarian.  For example, poor people, particularly minorities, have always spent undue time in jail while awaiting trial.
    • Etc.

    Greater threat
    • Conservative Judges?  Yeah...but also Trump/party loyalists more than we've ever seen?
    • The devotion to him is like nothing we've ever seen.  Is there a critical mass to enable whatever he might have on his mind regarding authoritarianism?
    • A party that seems intent to protect him simply to own the libs.
    • Constantly has key vacancies on his staff; maybe he's trying to show that the First Family can do it themselves?
    • Constant attempts to discredit the media as "the Enemy of the People."  This is straight out of the dictator's playbook.  And I don't think we've seen this from other US Presidents. 
    • Seems to have a great admiration for despots and dictators.  I have not seen this out of any others.
    • Openly hostile  or indifferent to places that have had natural disasters, etc. if they did not provide him electoral votes (e.g., Puerto Rico and California).  For all the bad of any president in my memory, they all were the president of the ENTIRE country, not just states that voted for them.
    • I'm not sure what's going on but, he sure seems to treat Putin somewhat like a supervisor.  
    • Etc.
    The fact is, M2H made some good points. Patriot Act.  Gitmo. There's some un-American shit going on and has been for some time.  That said, I think the threat of things being stepped way, way up is legitimate.  I'm talking a future president Trump installed rather than elected; political opponents jailed; SNL being ordered off the air.  This is what he wants.  The party seems OK with it and at least a third of the population will follow him there.  If he wins in 2020, all bets are off.  That's my opinion.
    Totally agree , I’m of the thought his plan is to be president for more than just two terms and beyond..
    How are you going to repeal the 22nd amendment?  This country doesn't agree on anything, I don't see how 2/3 of Congress would agree on this.  
    That is where his kids come in.  Trump is too old to go much more than two years, anyway (as much as he’d love to break FDR’s record).

     I don’t think there will be any legal way for him to go more than two terms.  But as the First Family gains power and the courts become more loyal to the family, stuff most people can’t fathom might come into play.
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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    2017
    josevolution said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    josevolution said:
    OnWis97 said:
    I actually think if we can avoid the usual traps of insults, etc., this is an interesting topic.

    TRUMP: Just another republican or greater threat?'

    Just another republican
    • Appointing conservative judges? Nothing new.
    • Polarizing?  Who wasn't?
    • Doesn't care about the environment.  Neither did W.
    • Serves the rich.  Well, that was the entire basis of St. Ronald's presidency.
    • War profiteering is as American as apple pie...hell, I myself think W became president in large part to make money for some rich folks.
    • You can shoot holes through any administration's record on being non-authoritarian.  For example, poor people, particularly minorities, have always spent undue time in jail while awaiting trial.
    • Etc.

    Greater threat
    • Conservative Judges?  Yeah...but also Trump/party loyalists more than we've ever seen?
    • The devotion to him is like nothing we've ever seen.  Is there a critical mass to enable whatever he might have on his mind regarding authoritarianism?
    • A party that seems intent to protect him simply to own the libs.
    • Constantly has key vacancies on his staff; maybe he's trying to show that the First Family can do it themselves?
    • Constant attempts to discredit the media as "the Enemy of the People."  This is straight out of the dictator's playbook.  And I don't think we've seen this from other US Presidents. 
    • Seems to have a great admiration for despots and dictators.  I have not seen this out of any others.
    • Openly hostile  or indifferent to places that have had natural disasters, etc. if they did not provide him electoral votes (e.g., Puerto Rico and California).  For all the bad of any president in my memory, they all were the president of the ENTIRE country, not just states that voted for them.
    • I'm not sure what's going on but, he sure seems to treat Putin somewhat like a supervisor.  
    • Etc.
    The fact is, M2H made some good points. Patriot Act.  Gitmo. There's some un-American shit going on and has been for some time.  That said, I think the threat of things being stepped way, way up is legitimate.  I'm talking a future president Trump installed rather than elected; political opponents jailed; SNL being ordered off the air.  This is what he wants.  The party seems OK with it and at least a third of the population will follow him there.  If he wins in 2020, all bets are off.  That's my opinion.
    Totally agree , I’m of the thought his plan is to be president for more than just two terms and beyond..
    How are you going to repeal the 22nd amendment?  This country doesn't agree on anything, I don't see how 2/3 of Congress would agree on this.  
    The Congress would not be able to stop it if he decides to follow the Russians playbook? 
    It’s called a takeover of the country and Putin knows exactly how to get it done ..
    Sorry Jose, this is just paranoia
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    2017
    OnWis97 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    josevolution said:
    OnWis97 said:
    I actually think if we can avoid the usual traps of insults, etc., this is an interesting topic.

    TRUMP: Just another republican or greater threat?'

    Just another republican
    • Appointing conservative judges? Nothing new.
    • Polarizing?  Who wasn't?
    • Doesn't care about the environment.  Neither did W.
    • Serves the rich.  Well, that was the entire basis of St. Ronald's presidency.
    • War profiteering is as American as apple pie...hell, I myself think W became president in large part to make money for some rich folks.
    • You can shoot holes through any administration's record on being non-authoritarian.  For example, poor people, particularly minorities, have always spent undue time in jail while awaiting trial.
    • Etc.

    Greater threat
    • Conservative Judges?  Yeah...but also Trump/party loyalists more than we've ever seen?
    • The devotion to him is like nothing we've ever seen.  Is there a critical mass to enable whatever he might have on his mind regarding authoritarianism?
    • A party that seems intent to protect him simply to own the libs.
    • Constantly has key vacancies on his staff; maybe he's trying to show that the First Family can do it themselves?
    • Constant attempts to discredit the media as "the Enemy of the People."  This is straight out of the dictator's playbook.  And I don't think we've seen this from other US Presidents. 
    • Seems to have a great admiration for despots and dictators.  I have not seen this out of any others.
    • Openly hostile  or indifferent to places that have had natural disasters, etc. if they did not provide him electoral votes (e.g., Puerto Rico and California).  For all the bad of any president in my memory, they all were the president of the ENTIRE country, not just states that voted for them.
    • I'm not sure what's going on but, he sure seems to treat Putin somewhat like a supervisor.  
    • Etc.
    The fact is, M2H made some good points. Patriot Act.  Gitmo. There's some un-American shit going on and has been for some time.  That said, I think the threat of things being stepped way, way up is legitimate.  I'm talking a future president Trump installed rather than elected; political opponents jailed; SNL being ordered off the air.  This is what he wants.  The party seems OK with it and at least a third of the population will follow him there.  If he wins in 2020, all bets are off.  That's my opinion.
    Totally agree , I’m of the thought his plan is to be president for more than just two terms and beyond..
    How are you going to repeal the 22nd amendment?  This country doesn't agree on anything, I don't see how 2/3 of Congress would agree on this.  
    That is where his kids come in.  Trump is too old to go much more than two years, anyway (as much as he’d love to break FDR’s record).

     I don’t think there will be any legal way for him to go more than two terms.  But as the First Family gains power and the courts become more loyal to the family, stuff most people can’t fathom might come into play.
    And so is this...

    Dude isnt taking SNL off the air... he can bark about the press all he wants, their ratings are all up and aren't going off the air... he's not abolishing civil liberties... and he is not going to be POTUS for life with his kids being appointed after him.... a majority of Americans either despise him or think he's a clown 

    We have faced much worse obstacles before, this guy is fucking childs play and everybody is overreacting to everything for over 2 years now, myself included
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    2017

    Let's discuss "losing our democracy" for a second...… maybe mcgruff could give us all a lesson on some things, such as the Sedition Act of 1918

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedition_Act_of_1918

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Act

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_Freedom_Act

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSA_warrantless_surveillance_(2001%E2%80%932007)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemisphere_Project

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disposition_Matrix (otherwise known as the kill list, now a permanent fixture of usa policy) "We are looking at something that is potentially indefinite"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XKeyscore

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnivore_(software)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dishfire

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempora

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairview_(surveillance_program)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MYSTIC_(surveillance_program)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Collection_System_Network

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boundless_Informant

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullrun_(decryption_program)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinwale

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAMPART-A


    Donald Trump my ass

  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,193
    edited April 2019
    my2hands said:

    Let's discuss "losing our democracy" for a second...… maybe mcgruff could give us all a lesson on some things, such as the Sedition Act of 1918

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedition_Act_of_1918

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Act

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_Freedom_Act

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSA_warrantless_surveillance_(2001%E2%80%932007)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemisphere_Project

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disposition_Matrix (otherwise known as the kill list, now a permanent fixture of usa policy) "We are looking at something that is potentially indefinite"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XKeyscore

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnivore_(software)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dishfire

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempora

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairview_(surveillance_program)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MYSTIC_(surveillance_program)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Collection_System_Network

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boundless_Informant

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullrun_(decryption_program)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinwale

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAMPART-A


    Donald Trump my ass

    My man, just taught Bay of Pigs, Operation Northwoods and Cuban Missile Crisis this week.  Operation Northwoods really interested my students, good call.  Going Kennedy assassination next.
    What would you like to know about the Sedition/Espionage Acts?  Both are pretty messed up since they directly go against the 1st Amendment but somehow were held up by the Supreme Court.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    2017

    every phone call, every email, every keystroke you make is recorded somewhere now.... every purchase you make, every internet search, your bank records, library records are all recorded and monitored... and now with the introduction into homes of surveillance and data collection capabilities literally every minute of your day, and every conversation your have, could likely be recorded and monitored.... Alexa, call James Clapper lol


    ever wonder why 4 star generals and former heads of the CIA like James Clapper get prominent positions on cable news networks as "experts"? nothing but imbedded mouthpieces to continue the sell job.... but yeah, the POTUS has toilet paper on his shoe

  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,132
    my2hands said:

    Let's discuss "losing our democracy" for a second...… maybe mcgruff could give us all a lesson on some things, such as the Sedition Act of 1918

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedition_Act_of_1918

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Act

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_Freedom_Act

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSA_warrantless_surveillance_(2001%E2%80%932007)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemisphere_Project

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disposition_Matrix (otherwise known as the kill list, now a permanent fixture of usa policy) "We are looking at something that is potentially indefinite"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XKeyscore

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnivore_(software)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dishfire

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempora

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairview_(surveillance_program)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MYSTIC_(surveillance_program)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Collection_System_Network

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boundless_Informant

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullrun_(decryption_program)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinwale

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAMPART-A


    Donald Trump my ass

    What’s the significance of the dates 1954-1971? I’ll give you a hint, there’s a building named after him. Who was the personal attorney of the Team Trump Treason family and who was Team Trump Treason admittedly admired and models himself on? Bonus question, how does it all relate? The sky is falling.
     
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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    2017
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    my2hands said:

    Let's discuss "losing our democracy" for a second...… maybe mcgruff could give us all a lesson on some things, such as the Sedition Act of 1918

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedition_Act_of_1918

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Act

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_Freedom_Act

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSA_warrantless_surveillance_(2001%E2%80%932007)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemisphere_Project

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disposition_Matrix (otherwise known as the kill list, now a permanent fixture of usa policy) "We are looking at something that is potentially indefinite"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XKeyscore

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnivore_(software)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dishfire

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempora

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairview_(surveillance_program)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MYSTIC_(surveillance_program)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Collection_System_Network

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boundless_Informant

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullrun_(decryption_program)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinwale

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAMPART-A


    Donald Trump my ass

    What’s the significance of the dates 1954-1971? I’ll give you a hint, there’s a building named after him. Who was the personal attorney of the Team Trump Treason family and who was Team Trump Treason admittedly admired and models himself on? Bonus question, how does it all relate? The sky is falling.
     

    no riddles on a Friday morning before I've had coffee Watson, educate me. or is it entertain me, fine line lol 
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    2017
    mcgruff10 said:
    my2hands said:

    Let's discuss "losing our democracy" for a second...… maybe mcgruff could give us all a lesson on some things, such as the Sedition Act of 1918

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedition_Act_of_1918

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Act

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_Freedom_Act

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSA_warrantless_surveillance_(2001%E2%80%932007)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemisphere_Project

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disposition_Matrix (otherwise known as the kill list, now a permanent fixture of usa policy) "We are looking at something that is potentially indefinite"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XKeyscore

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnivore_(software)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dishfire

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempora

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairview_(surveillance_program)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MYSTIC_(surveillance_program)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Collection_System_Network

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boundless_Informant

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullrun_(decryption_program)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinwale

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAMPART-A


    Donald Trump my ass

    My man, just taught Bay of Pigs, Operation Northwoods and Cuban Missile Crisis this week.  Operation Northwoods really interested my students, good call.  Going Kennedy assassination next.
    What would you like to know about the Sedition/Espionage Acts?  Both are pretty messed up since they directly go against the 1st Amendment but somehow were held up by the Supreme Court.  

    Operation Northwoods is deep.... be careful down that rabbit hole, those kids might start mistrusting their government lol 
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    edited April 2019
    2017

    mcgruff…. i'm too lazy to search after posting all the links lol


    do we know how many people were imprisoned due to the Sedition Act? I remember reading it was quite a lot, and what were some of the sentences?

    Post edited by my2hands on
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    Sam Patten sentenced to three years of probation, 500 hours of community service and fines, no jail time, for his "substantial cooperation" in ongoing investigations, currently under seal. Sam funneled money from Ukraine oligarchs to the Team Trump Treason campaign, was dirtied by Paulie Manaforte, had ties to Konstantin Kilimnik and Cambridge Analytica. "Fully exonerated" my ass. Friday dot connecting is probably the most interesting dot connecting day.
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 32,101
    2018
    my2hands said:
    josevolution said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    josevolution said:
    OnWis97 said:
    I actually think if we can avoid the usual traps of insults, etc., this is an interesting topic.

    TRUMP: Just another republican or greater threat?'

    Just another republican
    • Appointing conservative judges? Nothing new.
    • Polarizing?  Who wasn't?
    • Doesn't care about the environment.  Neither did W.
    • Serves the rich.  Well, that was the entire basis of St. Ronald's presidency.
    • War profiteering is as American as apple pie...hell, I myself think W became president in large part to make money for some rich folks.
    • You can shoot holes through any administration's record on being non-authoritarian.  For example, poor people, particularly minorities, have always spent undue time in jail while awaiting trial.
    • Etc.

    Greater threat
    • Conservative Judges?  Yeah...but also Trump/party loyalists more than we've ever seen?
    • The devotion to him is like nothing we've ever seen.  Is there a critical mass to enable whatever he might have on his mind regarding authoritarianism?
    • A party that seems intent to protect him simply to own the libs.
    • Constantly has key vacancies on his staff; maybe he's trying to show that the First Family can do it themselves?
    • Constant attempts to discredit the media as "the Enemy of the People."  This is straight out of the dictator's playbook.  And I don't think we've seen this from other US Presidents. 
    • Seems to have a great admiration for despots and dictators.  I have not seen this out of any others.
    • Openly hostile  or indifferent to places that have had natural disasters, etc. if they did not provide him electoral votes (e.g., Puerto Rico and California).  For all the bad of any president in my memory, they all were the president of the ENTIRE country, not just states that voted for them.
    • I'm not sure what's going on but, he sure seems to treat Putin somewhat like a supervisor.  
    • Etc.
    The fact is, M2H made some good points. Patriot Act.  Gitmo. There's some un-American shit going on and has been for some time.  That said, I think the threat of things being stepped way, way up is legitimate.  I'm talking a future president Trump installed rather than elected; political opponents jailed; SNL being ordered off the air.  This is what he wants.  The party seems OK with it and at least a third of the population will follow him there.  If he wins in 2020, all bets are off.  That's my opinion.
    Totally agree , I’m of the thought his plan is to be president for more than just two terms and beyond..
    How are you going to repeal the 22nd amendment?  This country doesn't agree on anything, I don't see how 2/3 of Congress would agree on this.  
    The Congress would not be able to stop it if he decides to follow the Russians playbook? 
    It’s called a takeover of the country and Putin knows exactly how to get it done ..
    Sorry Jose, this is just paranoia
    Everyone is entitled to an opinion..
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,132
    Its now being reported that Team Trump Treason offered a pardon to an Administration official, CBP Director, if he went to jail for violating immigration law. You have the POTUS reportedly encouraging violation of law and offering a quid pro quo. What is it going to take for Congress to investigate or prepare impeachment hearings and more importantly, for repub senators to grow a spine? Both sides are the same.
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  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,984
    It smells like high crime and misdemeanor to me.  Of course, he'll claim he was joking. 

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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 32,101
    2018
    Kat said:
    It smells like high crime and misdemeanor to me.  Of course, he'll claim he was joking. 

    Nah he will just deny he ever said it ..
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  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 17,014
    edited April 2019
    The Juggler said:

    Anyone who thinks Trump is just another republican is out of their god damned mind. 
    And a fair amount of real republicans think he is. It's unbelievable. When democrats were protesting Trump's election, a lot of republicans were like "Hey, we just eight years of your guy and we didn't cry about it. Now it's our guy."  As if he's like George Bush or something. Just another republican. It's crazy. 

    Trump's only a republican because going through that primary was his only route to being President. If Roger Stone told him his only chance to be president was as a democrat, he'd have a campaign staff full of transgender people, Corey Booker as his running mate, and he'd suggest the southern border should be come and go as you please.
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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    2017
    josevolution said:
    my2hands said:
    josevolution said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    josevolution said:
    OnWis97 said:
    I actually think if we can avoid the usual traps of insults, etc., this is an interesting topic.

    TRUMP: Just another republican or greater threat?'

    Just another republican
    • Appointing conservative judges? Nothing new.
    • Polarizing?  Who wasn't?
    • Doesn't care about the environment.  Neither did W.
    • Serves the rich.  Well, that was the entire basis of St. Ronald's presidency.
    • War profiteering is as American as apple pie...hell, I myself think W became president in large part to make money for some rich folks.
    • You can shoot holes through any administration's record on being non-authoritarian.  For example, poor people, particularly minorities, have always spent undue time in jail while awaiting trial.
    • Etc.

    Greater threat
    • Conservative Judges?  Yeah...but also Trump/party loyalists more than we've ever seen?
    • The devotion to him is like nothing we've ever seen.  Is there a critical mass to enable whatever he might have on his mind regarding authoritarianism?
    • A party that seems intent to protect him simply to own the libs.
    • Constantly has key vacancies on his staff; maybe he's trying to show that the First Family can do it themselves?
    • Constant attempts to discredit the media as "the Enemy of the People."  This is straight out of the dictator's playbook.  And I don't think we've seen this from other US Presidents. 
    • Seems to have a great admiration for despots and dictators.  I have not seen this out of any others.
    • Openly hostile  or indifferent to places that have had natural disasters, etc. if they did not provide him electoral votes (e.g., Puerto Rico and California).  For all the bad of any president in my memory, they all were the president of the ENTIRE country, not just states that voted for them.
    • I'm not sure what's going on but, he sure seems to treat Putin somewhat like a supervisor.  
    • Etc.
    The fact is, M2H made some good points. Patriot Act.  Gitmo. There's some un-American shit going on and has been for some time.  That said, I think the threat of things being stepped way, way up is legitimate.  I'm talking a future president Trump installed rather than elected; political opponents jailed; SNL being ordered off the air.  This is what he wants.  The party seems OK with it and at least a third of the population will follow him there.  If he wins in 2020, all bets are off.  That's my opinion.
    Totally agree , I’m of the thought his plan is to be president for more than just two terms and beyond..
    How are you going to repeal the 22nd amendment?  This country doesn't agree on anything, I don't see how 2/3 of Congress would agree on this.  
    The Congress would not be able to stop it if he decides to follow the Russians playbook? 
    It’s called a takeover of the country and Putin knows exactly how to get it done ..
    Sorry Jose, this is just paranoia
    Everyone is entitled to an opinion..
    Absolutely brother, i respect your opinion even if i may not agree with it

    Trump blows, but we aren't looking at a POTUS for life.... shit, i was told if the dems won the midterm he wouldn't even get 4 years *whoops*
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    my2hands said:
    josevolution said:
    my2hands said:
    josevolution said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    josevolution said:
    OnWis97 said:
    I actually think if we can avoid the usual traps of insults, etc., this is an interesting topic.

    TRUMP: Just another republican or greater threat?'

    Just another republican
    • Appointing conservative judges? Nothing new.
    • Polarizing?  Who wasn't?
    • Doesn't care about the environment.  Neither did W.
    • Serves the rich.  Well, that was the entire basis of St. Ronald's presidency.
    • War profiteering is as American as apple pie...hell, I myself think W became president in large part to make money for some rich folks.
    • You can shoot holes through any administration's record on being non-authoritarian.  For example, poor people, particularly minorities, have always spent undue time in jail while awaiting trial.
    • Etc.

    Greater threat
    • Conservative Judges?  Yeah...but also Trump/party loyalists more than we've ever seen?
    • The devotion to him is like nothing we've ever seen.  Is there a critical mass to enable whatever he might have on his mind regarding authoritarianism?
    • A party that seems intent to protect him simply to own the libs.
    • Constantly has key vacancies on his staff; maybe he's trying to show that the First Family can do it themselves?
    • Constant attempts to discredit the media as "the Enemy of the People."  This is straight out of the dictator's playbook.  And I don't think we've seen this from other US Presidents. 
    • Seems to have a great admiration for despots and dictators.  I have not seen this out of any others.
    • Openly hostile  or indifferent to places that have had natural disasters, etc. if they did not provide him electoral votes (e.g., Puerto Rico and California).  For all the bad of any president in my memory, they all were the president of the ENTIRE country, not just states that voted for them.
    • I'm not sure what's going on but, he sure seems to treat Putin somewhat like a supervisor.  
    • Etc.
    The fact is, M2H made some good points. Patriot Act.  Gitmo. There's some un-American shit going on and has been for some time.  That said, I think the threat of things being stepped way, way up is legitimate.  I'm talking a future president Trump installed rather than elected; political opponents jailed; SNL being ordered off the air.  This is what he wants.  The party seems OK with it and at least a third of the population will follow him there.  If he wins in 2020, all bets are off.  That's my opinion.
    Totally agree , I’m of the thought his plan is to be president for more than just two terms and beyond..
    How are you going to repeal the 22nd amendment?  This country doesn't agree on anything, I don't see how 2/3 of Congress would agree on this.  
    The Congress would not be able to stop it if he decides to follow the Russians playbook? 
    It’s called a takeover of the country and Putin knows exactly how to get it done ..
    Sorry Jose, this is just paranoia
    Everyone is entitled to an opinion..
    Absolutely brother, i respect your opinion even if i may not agree with it

    Trump blows, but we aren't looking at a POTUS for life.... shit, i was told if the dems won the midterm he wouldn't even get 4 years *whoops*
    2017

    Whoops!!
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    Roger Dodger Stoned still under investigation in other ongoing investigations being handled by other DAs after being handed off by Team Mueller. “Fully exonerated.” My ass.

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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,599
    edited April 2019
    2019
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    The Juggler said:

    Anyone who thinks Trump is just another republican is out of their god damned mind. 
    And a fair amount of real republicans think he is. It's unbelievable. When democrats were protesting Trump's election, a lot of republicans were like "Hey, we just eight years of your guy and we didn't cry about it. Now it's our guy."  As if he's like George Bush or something. Just another republican. It's crazy. 

    Trump's only a republican because going through that primary was his only route to being President. If Roger Stone told him his only chance to be president was as a democrat, he'd have a campaign staff full of transgender people, Corey Booker as his running mate, and he'd suggest the southern border should be come and go as you please.
    Yeah. I mean he was a pro choice, pro gun controll, pro globalism (all of the garbage he sold was made in other countries), Hillary donating New York liberal until it became politically convenient to become a republican. 

    He is a fraud in every sense of the word. 
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