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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,142
    mrussel1 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Question: Do any of you guys/girls think Trump's proposed border-wall is racist? Just the border wall. Not other Trumpisms that may or may not be racist. No Stephen Miller or how the separated families at the border have been treated. Just the concept of a border-wall. Do you think it's racist?
    No,  I think it's dumb and ineffective.  It's also akin to the Berlin Wall which was a symbol of tyranny and isolation. 
    How is it anything like the Berlin Wall?
    The Berlin Wall separated a country into 2, that is not like having a border wall.
    Suddenly putting up a wall that separates the North from the South and not letting families cross over to visit their children, that would be like the Berlin Wall. 
    B

    No,  the country was already bifurcated for 15 years before the wall was erected. 
    Not to mention the Berlin Wall didn’t separate a country in two but a city into quadrants. But you know, facts. Berlin airlift and all.

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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,911
    edited April 2019
    mace1229 said:
    josevolution said:
    mace1229 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Question: Do any of you guys/girls think Trump's proposed border-wall is racist? Just the border wall. Not other Trumpisms that may or may not be racist. No Stephen Miller or how the separated families at the border have been treated. Just the concept of a border-wall. Do you think it's racist?
    No,  I think it's dumb and ineffective.  It's also akin to the Berlin Wall which was a symbol of tyranny and isolation. 
    How is it anything like the Berlin Wall?
    The Berlin Wall separated a country into 2, that is not like having a border wall.
    Suddenly putting up a wall that separates the North from the South and not letting families cross over to visit their children, that would be like the Berlin Wall. 
    no off course walls are not racist lol yeah ok 
    that's not what I said, so lol yeah ok.
    What you're doing is ignoring the symbolism that was mentioned... and the part about isolation, which is a clear goal of Trump's. Stop being literal about it and then maybe you'll get it better. And especially keep in mind that the wall is a Trump POLITICAL GAME. It's a tool he's using to manipulate people's views and to divide voters and to keep the racists excited. It's not a real life, viable idea that will work.


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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,196
    edited April 2019
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Question: Do any of you guys/girls think Trump's proposed border-wall is racist? Just the border wall. Not other Trumpisms that may or may not be racist. No Stephen Miller or how the separated families at the border have been treated. Just the concept of a border-wall. Do you think it's racist?
    No,  I think it's dumb and ineffective.  It's also akin to the Berlin Wall which was a symbol of tyranny and isolation. 
    How is it anything like the Berlin Wall?
    The Berlin Wall separated a country into 2, that is not like having a border wall.
    Suddenly putting up a wall that separates the North from the South and not letting families cross over to visit their children, that would be like the Berlin Wall. 
    B

    No,  the country was already bifurcated for 15 years before the wall was erected. 
    Not to mention the Berlin Wall didn’t separate a country in two but a city into quadrants. But you know, facts. Berlin airlift and all.

    The Berlin Wall didn’t separate the city into quadrants, it separated West Berlin from East Germany. Berlin was divided into four quadrants after World War Two which was way before the creation of the Berlin Wall . The Berlin Wall literally divided the country into eastern communism and western democracy. 
    The Berlin airlift was a result of the three zones trying to unify and Stalin felt threatened that the unified zones would have more power. You know, facts. 
    Post edited by mcgruff10 on
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,142
    mcgruff10 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Question: Do any of you guys/girls think Trump's proposed border-wall is racist? Just the border wall. Not other Trumpisms that may or may not be racist. No Stephen Miller or how the separated families at the border have been treated. Just the concept of a border-wall. Do you think it's racist?
    No,  I think it's dumb and ineffective.  It's also akin to the Berlin Wall which was a symbol of tyranny and isolation. 
    How is it anything like the Berlin Wall?
    The Berlin Wall separated a country into 2, that is not like having a border wall.
    Suddenly putting up a wall that separates the North from the South and not letting families cross over to visit their children, that would be like the Berlin Wall. 
    B

    No,  the country was already bifurcated for 15 years before the wall was erected. 
    Not to mention the Berlin Wall didn’t separate a country in two but a city into quadrants. But you know, facts. Berlin airlift and all.

    The Berlin Wall didn’t separate the city into quadrants, it separated West Berlin from East Germany. Berlin was divided into four quadrants after World War Two which was way before the creation of the Berlin Wall . The Berlin Wall literally divided the country into eastern communism and western democracy. 
    The Berlin airlift was a result of the three zones trying to unify and Stalin felt threatened that the unified zones would have more power. You know, facts. 
    Yea facts. City was divided into four sectors.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_Wall

    Regardless, the Berlin Wall didn’t separate countries as the city of berlin and its Wall were both within East Germany.

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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,196
    edited April 2019
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Question: Do any of you guys/girls think Trump's proposed border-wall is racist? Just the border wall. Not other Trumpisms that may or may not be racist. No Stephen Miller or how the separated families at the border have been treated. Just the concept of a border-wall. Do you think it's racist?
    No,  I think it's dumb and ineffective.  It's also akin to the Berlin Wall which was a symbol of tyranny and isolation. 
    How is it anything like the Berlin Wall?
    The Berlin Wall separated a country into 2, that is not like having a border wall.
    Suddenly putting up a wall that separates the North from the South and not letting families cross over to visit their children, that would be like the Berlin Wall. 
    B

    No,  the country was already bifurcated for 15 years before the wall was erected. 
    Not to mention the Berlin Wall didn’t separate a country in two but a city into quadrants. But you know, facts. Berlin airlift and all.

    The Berlin Wall didn’t separate the city into quadrants, it separated West Berlin from East Germany. Berlin was divided into four quadrants after World War Two which was way before the creation of the Berlin Wall . The Berlin Wall literally divided the country into eastern communism and western democracy. 
    The Berlin airlift was a result of the three zones trying to unify and Stalin felt threatened that the unified zones would have more power. You know, facts. 
    Yea facts. City was divided into four sectors.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_Wall

    Regardless, the Berlin Wall didn’t separate countries as the city of berlin and its Wall were both within East Germany.

     But they were two separate countries. West Berlin was not apart of east Germany even though West Berlin was in east Germany. And yes the city was divided into four sections but not because of the Berlin wall. 
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,778
    jeffbr said:
    MichiganSteve said:
    Didn't vote for the guy.  Don't like how he is such a dick all the time to people as a leader of this country when he's acting like a jackass at his rallies that turn into these spectacles of suck ups wanting to lick his shoes.  The whole Russia thing seems crazy strange.  I think the report probably shows that Russia did a lot to help him via social media because they could and it's easy and inexpensive.  Did it cause him to win?  No clue.  Maybe?  But he should be saying "no way, we're going to make sure nobody interferes with our elections" instead he denies any issue at all and acts like it invalidates his presidency.  

    If anything, the report is probably embarrassing to him that he was clueless about most of the meddling and that his team was bumbling more than devious and calculating except for self-serving issues.   His behavior is weird with Russia, wanting to meet with Putin privately over and over, what the hell is he doing there?  We know he doesn't have a real plan, he wings it all the time, is he going in and saying "I'm having fun, what can I do to make you like me?"  It wouldn't be a surprise.  I doubt it's going to send a bunch of people to jail, if it was doing that, there would already be fireworks.  What we'll have is a validation that they were shocked that they won, thought that Trump was going to probably lose the election but start his own Trump branded media play with Bannon at the helm with Donald having a daily rip fest on Hillary and second guess everything she does.  Remember how the election was Rigged?  He said it was over and over but, he won, so was it rigged for him?  

    The guy makes up stuff so much and is beholden to nobody if voters are fine with this.  He lies so much it's silly, and why people are good with it is beyond me.  He doesn't have to be an angel, but Hell, could he try to be a leader rather than a celebrity?  This is what a Limbaugh/Hannity presidency is, a lot of finger pointing, name calling and a lot of cheer lines from the right.  It's not inspiring, it's trashy.  

    Trump is the epitome of what the right has begged for since the days of Reagan, a businessman.  Well, they thought W Bush was but Trump is the guy.  They worship the idea of a businessman running things.  It's surprising how little he actually leads, which is what should have been his total strong suit.  Where's the business planning, the way to get to a goal and deliver and expect excellence?  It's just Donald being Donald and not a surprise.
    The problem with Trump as a businessman is the kind of business he is in. He's party of a shady NYC real estate developer industry. They are closer to organized crime that sound business. They tend to strong arm, make backroom deals, get dubious funding for suspect sources since traditional lenders don't like the risk. Trump answered to nobody. His negotiating style was take it or leave it. None of that works in real business, and it doesn't work in government. A CEO of a publicly traded fortune 100 company is someone who is accountable to a board of directors, is a leader and delegater. Is someone who is responsible to the shareholders, so must exercise sound financial judgement. Negotiates mutually beneficial deals with others in good faith. Trump did and does none of that. He doesn't seem to be accountable to anyone, he doesn't have to negotiate in good faith, he isn't interested in fiscal responsibility. He's a shady grifter. He isn't a businessman.
    Exactly and well aid, Jeff.  He sucks as a businessman and he sucks as president.
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  • mickeyrat
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 32,105
    I know nothing of Wikileaks it’s not my thing lol 
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  • mrussel1
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    Just when you think they can get no lower... 

    If Trump truly believes these are criminals,  then he is intentionally putting citizens at risk to settle a political score.  Think about that. 

    https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/04/11/politics/immigrant-detainees-sanctuary-cities/index.html?r=https://www.cnn.com/
  • Ledbetterman10
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    josevolution said:
    I know nothing of Wikileaks it’s not my thing lol 
    Just like he knew nothing about David Duke. Plausible deniability is what he's going for I guess?
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  • oftenreading
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    josevolution said:
    I know nothing of Wikileaks it’s not my thing lol 
    Have any of the journalists asked him if he's concerned about the decline in his memory?
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  • Ledbetterman10
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    oftenreading said:
    josevolution said:
    I know nothing of Wikileaks it’s not my thing lol 
    Have any of the journalists asked him if he's concerned about the decline in his memory?
    No need to ask that. He's already said that he has a very good brain. 
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 32,105
    oftenreading said:
    josevolution said:
    I know nothing of Wikileaks it’s not my thing lol 
    Have any of the journalists asked him if he's concerned about the decline in his memory?
    lol no I doubt any reporter would ever ask such a? I’d love to hear his response though .
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 32,105
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    oftenreading said:
    josevolution said:
    I know nothing of Wikileaks it’s not my thing lol 
    Have any of the journalists asked him if he's concerned about the decline in his memory?
    No need to ask that. He's already said that he has a very good brain. 
    True 
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    josevolution said:
    oftenreading said:
    josevolution said:
    I know nothing of Wikileaks it’s not my thing lol 
    Have any of the journalists asked him if he's concerned about the decline in his memory?
    lol no I doubt any reporter would ever ask such a? I’d love to hear his response though .

    I wish they would, with an air of concern and mild dismay.
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 32,105
    oftenreading said:
    josevolution said:
    oftenreading said:
    josevolution said:
    I know nothing of Wikileaks it’s not my thing lol 
    Have any of the journalists asked him if he's concerned about the decline in his memory?
    lol no I doubt any reporter would ever ask such a? I’d love to hear his response though .

    I wish they would, with an air of concern and mild dismay.
    No one in his inner circle ⭕️ even question
    his menta capacity, they just yes him all day 
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  • ikiT
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    mickeyrat said:

    Yes.  One million times...YES.
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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,641
    Tiki said:
    mickeyrat said:

    Yes.  One million times...YES.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,911
    edited April 2019
    josevolution said:
    oftenreading said:
    josevolution said:
    oftenreading said:
    josevolution said:
    I know nothing of Wikileaks it’s not my thing lol 
    Have any of the journalists asked him if he's concerned about the decline in his memory?
    lol no I doubt any reporter would ever ask such a? I’d love to hear his response though .

    I wish they would, with an air of concern and mild dismay.
    No one in his inner circle ⭕️ even question
    his menta capacity, they just yes him all day 
    Yeah, they don't question it - they TAKE ADVANTAGE of it. They whisper is his ear and it works like it would on a three year old. They are apparently sneaking shit off his desk if they don't want him dealing with it (and likely sneaking shit onto it as well, if it serves their own interests), and he doesn't know the difference. And thinking about who is there to make those decisions, that is not comforting at all. Trump isn't a dangerous disaster all by himself. He and his entire administration working together are.
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