benjs said:

my2hands said:

https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/democracy/reports/2017/11/01/441926/voter-trends-in-2016/

Interesting read for those hoping to move past the russian red scare smokescreen... pretty exhaustive study by a liberal leaning group

In the study it states if black turnout remained static between 2012-2016 in each state that Hillary would have won Wisconsin & Michigan, and therefore the election

Are you seriously trying to distil why a person votes for candidate A vs candidate B by referencing one fact with throngs of variables? Say, a four year difference? Different candidates? Different circumstances? Different cultural times? Diminished faith in the establishment and increased hope in outsiders' presence in Washington? Clinton's past referring to black people as superpredators (a highly publicized event)? Clinton's relationship with Bill whose crime bills passed in '94 led to further mass incarcerations?

Your claims that the black vote decreased because of X are equally invalid, unsubstantiated, and unprovable as those on here claiming that the election was won because of Y. 

dignin said:

White House No Longer Enthusiastic About Releasing Mueller Report

Meanwhile, periodic murmurs have suggested perhaps the report will amount to something other than total vindication. “Privately, some Trump advisers acknowledge those attacks may have a shelf life, and that they are deploying them in part to blunt questions about Mr. Trump’s own credibility,” notes the New York Times. A senior White House official tells my colleague Olivia Nuzzi, “There will be plenty of unfavorable things about the president in the full report, which we think will eventually come out, so let’s not go overboard saying there’s no wrongdoing. Let’s move on.”

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/04/trump-no-longer-enthusiastic-about-releasing-mueller-report.html

Nothing burger, total waste of time.

This isn't over yet.

my2hands said:

mrussel1 said:

The Juggler said:

benjs said:

my2hands said:

https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/democracy/reports/2017/11/01/441926/voter-trends-in-2016/

Interesting read for those hoping to move past the russian red scare smokescreen... pretty exhaustive study by a liberal leaning group

In the study it states if black turnout remained static between 2012-2016 in each state that Hillary would have won Wisconsin & Michigan, and therefore the election

Are you seriously trying to distil why a person votes for candidate A vs candidate B by referencing one fact with throngs of variables? Say, a four year difference? Different candidates? Different circumstances? Different cultural times? Diminished faith in the establishment and increased hope in outsiders' presence in Washington? Clinton's past referring to black people as superpredators (a highly publicized event)? Clinton's relationship with Bill whose crime bills passed in '94 led to further mass incarcerations?

Your claims that the black vote decreased because of X are equally invalid, unsubstantiated, and unprovable as those on here claiming that the election was won because of Y. 

This is a correct assessment. 

So you're saying it's possible and accurate to distill the voting incentives and disincentives if an entire group of people into one statement?

Ok, you tell me why black voter turnout dropped nationwide in 4 years... i'm all ears... i don't think it's that complicated

Funny how people have no problem calling everyone a racist or sexist or a Trump voter every name in the book... but seem afraid to speak the truth when it comes to black voter drop off........ it's because the black guy wasn't on the ticket, and the person on the ticket sucked and takes the black vote for granted, saying she carries hot sauce in her bag is going to connect her to black voters? Lol, fucking shameful. That's the worst fucking pandering I've ever seen! 

my2hands said:

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my2hands said:

benjs said:

my2hands said:

mrussel1 said:

The Juggler said:

benjs said:

my2hands said:

https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/democracy/reports/2017/11/01/441926/voter-trends-in-2016/

Interesting read for those hoping to move past the russian red scare smokescreen... pretty exhaustive study by a liberal leaning group

In the study it states if black turnout remained static between 2012-2016 in each state that Hillary would have won Wisconsin & Michigan, and therefore the election

Are you seriously trying to distil why a person votes for candidate A vs candidate B by referencing one fact with throngs of variables? Say, a four year difference? Different candidates? Different circumstances? Different cultural times? Diminished faith in the establishment and increased hope in outsiders' presence in Washington? Clinton's past referring to black people as superpredators (a highly publicized event)? Clinton's relationship with Bill whose crime bills passed in '94 led to further mass incarcerations?

Your claims that the black vote decreased because of X are equally invalid, unsubstantiated, and unprovable as those on here claiming that the election was won because of Y. 

This is a correct assessment. 

So you're saying it's possible and accurate to distill the voting incentives and disincentives if an entire group of people into one statement?

Ok, you tell me why black voter turnout dropped nationwide in 4 years... i'm all ears... i don't think it's that complicated

Funny how people have no problem calling everyone a racist or sexist or a Trump voter every name in the book... but seem afraid to speak the truth when it comes to black voter drop off........ it's because the black guy wasn't on the ticket, and the person on the ticket sucked and takes the black vote for granted, saying she carries hot sauce in her bag is going to connect her to black voters? Lol, fucking shameful. That's the worst fucking pandering I've ever seen! 

my2hands, expand this conversation and you can see my seven suggestions why black voter turnout dropped nationwide. They took me all of fifteen seconds to come up with, so I suspect there are probably plenty more. Again, if you're here telling us to stop taking complex scenarios and saying "obviously _____ happened/will happen" when based on limited substance, you should heed your own advice.

I'm not trying to dig back and find them... can you repost your seven suggestions

Although to be honest, i think you're making this more complicated then it needs to be

benjs said:

mrussel1 said:

The Juggler said:

benjs said:

my2hands said:

https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/democracy/reports/2017/11/01/441926/voter-trends-in-2016/

Interesting read for those hoping to move past the russian red scare smokescreen... pretty exhaustive study by a liberal leaning group

In the study it states if black turnout remained static between 2012-2016 in each state that Hillary would have won Wisconsin & Michigan, and therefore the election

Are you seriously trying to distil why a person votes for candidate A vs candidate B by referencing one fact with throngs of variables? Say, a four year difference? Different candidates? Different circumstances? Different cultural times? Diminished faith in the establishment and increased hope in outsiders' presence in Washington? Clinton's past referring to black people as superpredators (a highly publicized event)? Clinton's relationship with Bill whose crime bills passed in '94 led to further mass incarcerations?

Your claims that the black vote decreased because of X are equally invalid, unsubstantiated, and unprovable as those on here claiming that the election was won because of Y. 

This is a correct assessment. 

So you're saying it's possible and accurate to distill the voting incentives and disincentives if an entire group of people into one statement?

mrussel, I think we've got a double negative problem here I was saying that attributing voting results in 2016 to one factor is not a valid causal relationship, and I believe The Juggler was agreeing with that.