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  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,367
    Smellyman said:
    benjs said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Not that you asked me, but I will be shocked if Trump is NOT indicted after he leaves office.
    Well I'm asking anybody but I know Halifax is very into the Mueller probe. 
    Sure.
    It is absolute fact that Trump has broken laws, so if he's not indicted afterwards as a private citizen, by any number of agencies, that would be a severe injustice that would be hard for the agencies to justify IMO.
    If this is absolute fact, why hasn't Mueller released his statement? I get that there's an absurdly huge mountain of circumstantial evidence, but has there been anything that leads you to say that this is truly absolute?
    The first and easy one is Cohen is going to jail for the Stormy payments and other models under the direction of Trump.
    Proof of 12 cheques signed by Trump for the same amount, and the person sharing the testimony has a track record of lying under oath. I'm not trying to be difficult here, by the way, I'm just trying to understand how people see the legal system pinning Trump down. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    my2hands said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    And this is why I have very little faith in many American voters now ..... It seems way too many of them have been easily duped, and will continue to be easily duped.
    Or after 2 years of investigating they could maybe prove collusion and that Trump is a Russian stooge...
    I think that's what a lot of people are thinking: if it's taking this long, there might not be anything. I've suggested this myself. My father notes that Watergate took longer, and god knows Halfiax is all about Mueller connecting dots and taking his sweet time to do it. But in this world of 24-hour news, social media, and the fact that we're all walking around with mini super computers in our pockets, people want things NOW or else they'll just move onto the next thing. 

    A question I have, and I guess I'll pose it to @Halifax2TheMax because he's up on all things Mueller: what is the end game now that the Pelosi has finally acknowledged that impeachment isn't worth trying since they won't get a conviction in the Senate? Specifically, the end game as it pertains to Trump, because I don't care what happens to all of his cronies (Stone, Manafort, Cohen, etc). I want to see something happen to Trump. Is there a hope that he loses in 2020 and then, as a citizen, he can be indicted? Is that the only card Mueller has to play? I mean, I guess there's the possibility of Trump being re-elected, but the Senate flipping enough to get an impeachment conviction. But that seems like a pipe-dream.
    Team Mueller’s only card is to issue a report per his charge. The thing to keep in mind is that it’s a two track process, political, impeachment and criminal, SDNY and potential charges in Mueller’s report. Personally, I think Team Trump Treason will be impeached but it may not be until his second term, like Nixon. Speaking of which, Watergate revolved around a two bit break in of DNC headquarters and Whitewater was about a two bit land deal, both of which took more than four years and closer to six to investigate and conclude. This is so much bigger on so many fronts that I’m totally ok with however long it takes to investigate and ensure that it’s done properly. That said, if Mueller’s report is issued pre-election and it’s as damning as I think it will be, the house begins impeachment hearings and the voters hear enough to not reelect. Nancy is saying the right things currently, she has to. If Team Mueller’s report is a nothing burger, then Team Trump Treason’s fate is determined by SDNY upon leaving office. All of this will be prolonged by court challenges and appeals and maybe derailed by a stacked court. The senate could convict if the mountain of evidence is such that once released to the public, there’s no denying the criminality and malfeasance. As such, if the repub senators have any conscience, they’ll convict. Then again, as pressure mounts, they might force a plea deal, resignation or decide to be on the right side of history. This summer and fall will be interesting to say the least. Oh, and the WH missed the deadline for turning over docs to the house Oversight Committee. Other players are appealing and delaying. Team Mueller continues down other avenues. Guilty parties are still cooperating and having their sentencing delayed. All of which wouldn’t be necessary if,

    “There was no collusion.”
    ”I don’t know any Russians.”
    ”I have nothing to hide.”
    ”I’ll sit down and talk to anyone.”
    ”We do everything by the book.”
    “Only the guilty plea the fifth.”
    “Very legal, very cool.”

    Follow the money, from Russia with love and a PTape, all the way to impeachment.
     
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    The Qanon in me wants to say that Team Mueller is pressuring the local authorities to step back so as not to jeopardize the ongoing investigation into Team Trump Treason, money laundering and RICO violations with Chi-naaa.

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  • my2hands
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    my2hands said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    And this is why I have very little faith in many American voters now ..... It seems way too many of them have been easily duped, and will continue to be easily duped.
    Or after 2 years of investigating they could maybe prove collusion and that Trump is a Russian stooge...
    I think that's what a lot of people are thinking: if it's taking this long, there might not be anything. I've suggested this myself. My father notes that Watergate took longer, and god knows Halfiax is all about Mueller connecting dots and taking his sweet time to do it. But in this world of 24-hour news, social media, and the fact that we're all walking around with mini super computers in our pockets, people want things NOW or else they'll just move onto the next thing. 

    A question I have, and I guess I'll pose it to @Halifax2TheMax because he's up on all things Mueller: what is the end game now that the Pelosi has finally acknowledged that impeachment isn't worth trying since they won't get a conviction in the Senate? Specifically, the end game as it pertains to Trump, because I don't care what happens to all of his cronies (Stone, Manafort, Cohen, etc). I want to see something happen to Trump. Is there a hope that he loses in 2020 and then, as a citizen, he can be indicted? Is that the only card Mueller has to play? I mean, I guess there's the possibility of Trump being re-elected, but the Senate flipping enough to get an impeachment conviction. But that seems like a pipe-dream.
    Personally, I think Team Trump Treason will be impeached but it may not be until his second term, like Nixon. 
     
    Did i just read this right?
  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    edited March 2019
    I think it's a MIRACLE he gets through the ides.  A fucking a-number-one miracle.
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  • my2hands
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    Tiki said:
    I think it's a MIRACLE he gets through the ides.  A fucking a-number-one miracle.
    You dont think he makes it through March 2019? 

    I'll take that wager
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    my2hands said:
    Tiki said:
    I think it's a MIRACLE he gets through the ides.  A fucking a-number-one miracle.
    You dont think he makes it through March 2019? 

    I'll take that wager
    Well the Ides have passed, so that would be a good bet on your part. 
  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    I'm not saying Don Trump's days are over...but the knives are out.  Happy Spring equinox. 

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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    edited March 2019
    he fucking unloads on george conway like the 10 year old mean girl that we all know he is. unbelievable. 

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  • mfc2006
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    edited March 2019
    He's a child. 
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  • mrussel1
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    he fucking unloads on george conway like the 10 year old mean girl that we all know he is. unbelievable. 

    George Conway, often referred to as Mr. Kellyanne Conway by those who know him, is VERY jealous of his wife’s success & angry that I, with her help, didn’t give him the job he so desperately wanted. I barely know him but just take a look, a stone cold LOSER & husband from hell!
    I don't know wtf is the story with their marriage, but it's bizarre.  How can they be married?  I hate Kellyanne, but he married her, so he should stop railing on Trump every chance he gets, publicly.  I'm shocked that it took Trump so long to respond, knowing him.  It was actually an amazing display of discipline until now.  
  • cincybearcat
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    mrussel1 said:
    he fucking unloads on george conway like the 10 year old mean girl that we all know he is. unbelievable. 

    George Conway, often referred to as Mr. Kellyanne Conway by those who know him, is VERY jealous of his wife’s success & angry that I, with her help, didn’t give him the job he so desperately wanted. I barely know him but just take a look, a stone cold LOSER & husband from hell!
    I don't know wtf is the story with their marriage, but it's bizarre.  How can they be married?  I hate Kellyanne, but he married her, so he should stop railing on Trump every chance he gets, publicly.  I'm shocked that it took Trump so long to respond, knowing him.  It was actually an amazing display of discipline until now.  
    It is a really weird setup.
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    The Conway's will be a footnote in history after the next 2 years.  Trump will eventually tweet some more crazy shit...that will cause a lot of head shaking.  Only 6 more years.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    mrussel1 said:
    he fucking unloads on george conway like the 10 year old mean girl that we all know he is. unbelievable. 

    George Conway, often referred to as Mr. Kellyanne Conway by those who know him, is VERY jealous of his wife’s success & angry that I, with her help, didn’t give him the job he so desperately wanted. I barely know him but just take a look, a stone cold LOSER & husband from hell!
    I don't know wtf is the story with their marriage, but it's bizarre.  How can they be married?  I hate Kellyanne, but he married her, so he should stop railing on Trump every chance he gets, publicly.  I'm shocked that it took Trump so long to respond, knowing him.  It was actually an amazing display of discipline until now.  
    george was a trump supporter when kellyanne joined his admin (or least wasn't a publicly vocal critic). until DT started exhibiting really insane behaviour. then he became an outspoken critic of his policies and behaviours. keep in mind, kellyanne was a very vocal critic of DT up until she joined his admin. look up old clips of her on CNN when she wasn't affiliated with any candidate. she was a pundit, and constantly talked negative about him. 

    if she was always a rat, I'd be somewhat ok with it. But she completely sold out her soul and her morality when she joined the WH. george obviously has a conscience. 
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  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059

    The Mueller Report Is Highly Anticipated.
    Here’s What We Already Know.

    By LARRY BUCHANAN and KAREN YOURISH MARCH 20, 2019

    After more than two years of criminal indictments and steady revelations about contacts between associates of Donald J. Trump and Russia, we already know a lot about the work done by Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel investigating Russia’s interference in the 2016 election. Here are the main findings and lines of inquiry and the people involved in each.

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/03/20/us/politics/mueller-investigation-people-events.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage
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  • mfc2006
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    To anyone that says his hateful rants don't incite or create more hate, read this.

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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    mfc2006 said:
    To anyone that says his hateful rants don't incite or create more hate, read this.

    https://www.newsandguts.com/cindy-mccain-shares-hateful-message-after-donald-trump-criticizes-her-husband-again/
    Ronald Reagan and "Post-9/11" George W Bush were both much more popular than Trump.  But I don't think anyone has ever had the devoted followers that Trump has. If he somehow does not get all the way through two terms, I am genuinely curious, and a bit frightened, about what the reaction would be.
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  • Hi!
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    OnWis97 said:
    mfc2006 said:
    To anyone that says his hateful rants don't incite or create more hate, read this.

    https://www.newsandguts.com/cindy-mccain-shares-hateful-message-after-donald-trump-criticizes-her-husband-again/
    Ronald Reagan and "Post-9/11" George W Bush were both much more popular than Trump.  But I don't think anyone has ever had the devoted followers that Trump has. If he somehow does not get all the way through two terms, I am genuinely curious, and a bit frightened, about what the reaction would be.
    Too fucking bad for them. They can crawl back into their holes while good natured people of our country follow our moral trajectory and try to make the world a better place. 

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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,192
    Tiki said:

    The Mueller Report Is Highly Anticipated.
    Here’s What We Already Know.

    By LARRY BUCHANAN and KAREN YOURISH MARCH 20, 2019

    After more than two years of criminal indictments and steady revelations about contacts between associates of Donald J. Trump and Russia, we already know a lot about the work done by Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel investigating Russia’s interference in the 2016 election. Here are the main findings and lines of inquiry and the people involved in each.

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/03/20/us/politics/mueller-investigation-people-events.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage
    Oh what a tangled web they weave! And a whole lot of dots to be connected. Anyone who wonders why it’s taking so long, just look at the number of individuals, exclusive of Individual 1, scope and breadth of the investigation. And none of it would be necessary if,

    “There was no collusion.”
    ”I don’t know any Russians.”
    ”I have nothing to hide.”
    ”I’ll sit down and talk to anyone.”
    ”We do everything by the book.”
    “Only the guilty plea the fifth.”
    “Very legal, very cool.”

    Follow the money, from Russia with love and a PTape, all the way to impeachment.
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    This is an example of how to be both presidential and a mature thoughtful adult....


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