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the only one that seemed to have that it factor is Beto, and he's out.Ledbetterman10 said:
I'm not so sure about that. His opponent might be less loathsome than Hillary, but I'm not sure that nominee will be truly "popular" in a way that people will be energized and excited to vote for them. I wouldn't be surprised if the democratic nominee has a "John Kerry vibe" to him/her. And by that I mean "Ugh...I am in no way excited to vote for this person, but I have to because I don't want to vote for Bush." That's how I was in 2004. That's how I was in 2016. And more than likely, that's how I'll be in 2020: "Fine, Bernie/Biden/Warren/Harris/Whoever, I'll vote for you but just because Trump is awful." While that may be enough to get my vote, I'm not sure about the electorate at large.The Juggler said:
He's real low and, if still in office, will be running against someone immensely more popular than the person he ran against 3 years ago. These things matter greatly.
But, hey, if these democrats are good at anything, it's screwing up elections they should win. So....yeah don't assume things.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
My point is even if someone has a "John Kerry vibe" ---just merely the fact that he or she won't be Hillary Fucking Clinton means that person will be way more popular....and will be running against the most unpopular president ever (or one of, depending on what day you check his numbers).Ledbetterman10 said:
I'm not so sure about that. His opponent might be less loathsome than Hillary, but I'm not sure that nominee will be truly "popular" in a way that people will be energized and excited to vote for them. I wouldn't be surprised if the democratic nominee has a "John Kerry vibe" to him/her. And by that I mean "Ugh...I am in no way excited to vote for this person, but I have to because I don't want to vote for Bush." That's how I was in 2004. That's how I was in 2016. And more than likely, that's how I'll be in 2020: "Fine, Bernie/Biden/Warren/Harris/Whoever, I'll vote for you but just because Trump is awful." While that may be enough to get my vote, I'm not sure about the electorate at large.The Juggler said:
He's real low and, if still in office, will be running against someone immensely more popular than the person he ran against 3 years ago. These things matter greatly.
But, hey, if these democrats are good at anything, it's screwing up elections they should win. So....yeah don't assume things.
You cannot stress enough how much baggage she had/has and how deeply people despised both her and her husband for 25 years prior to running in '16. Nobody else can come close to that.www.myspace.com0 -
Says who? I don't think he's announced either way yet, has he?HughFreakingDillon said:
the only one that seemed to have that it factor is Beto, and he's out.Ledbetterman10 said:
I'm not so sure about that. His opponent might be less loathsome than Hillary, but I'm not sure that nominee will be truly "popular" in a way that people will be energized and excited to vote for them. I wouldn't be surprised if the democratic nominee has a "John Kerry vibe" to him/her. And by that I mean "Ugh...I am in no way excited to vote for this person, but I have to because I don't want to vote for Bush." That's how I was in 2004. That's how I was in 2016. And more than likely, that's how I'll be in 2020: "Fine, Bernie/Biden/Warren/Harris/Whoever, I'll vote for you but just because Trump is awful." While that may be enough to get my vote, I'm not sure about the electorate at large.The Juggler said:
He's real low and, if still in office, will be running against someone immensely more popular than the person he ran against 3 years ago. These things matter greatly.
But, hey, if these democrats are good at anything, it's screwing up elections they should win. So....yeah don't assume things.
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no, I don't think he has, but his polling numbers are incredibly low for potential candidates. mind you, trump's were probably similar, lol, so who knows.PJ_Soul said:
Says who? I don't think he's announced either way yet, has he?HughFreakingDillon said:
the only one that seemed to have that it factor is Beto, and he's out.Ledbetterman10 said:
I'm not so sure about that. His opponent might be less loathsome than Hillary, but I'm not sure that nominee will be truly "popular" in a way that people will be energized and excited to vote for them. I wouldn't be surprised if the democratic nominee has a "John Kerry vibe" to him/her. And by that I mean "Ugh...I am in no way excited to vote for this person, but I have to because I don't want to vote for Bush." That's how I was in 2004. That's how I was in 2016. And more than likely, that's how I'll be in 2020: "Fine, Bernie/Biden/Warren/Harris/Whoever, I'll vote for you but just because Trump is awful." While that may be enough to get my vote, I'm not sure about the electorate at large.The Juggler said:
He's real low and, if still in office, will be running against someone immensely more popular than the person he ran against 3 years ago. These things matter greatly.
But, hey, if these democrats are good at anything, it's screwing up elections they should win. So....yeah don't assume things.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
She got the third-most votes ever in a U.S. presidential election behind only Obama's two wins. She had a lot of baggage, but also a lot of resources like experience, an enormous amount of money that none of the 2020 democrats will likely be able to raise, and she was married to a popular president. For how unlikeable she was, she had a lot of good stuff going for her too. I can't fathom Kamala Harris or Elizabeth Warren doing as well as her. Even Biden and Sanders' time might have come and gone with the democrats, though I'd have more faith in them against Trump than I would any of the others.The Juggler said:
My point is even if someone has a "John Kerry vibe" ---just merely the fact that he or she won't be Hillary Fucking Clinton means that person will be way more popular....and will be running against the most unpopular president ever (or one of, depending on what day you check his numbers).Ledbetterman10 said:
I'm not so sure about that. His opponent might be less loathsome than Hillary, but I'm not sure that nominee will be truly "popular" in a way that people will be energized and excited to vote for them. I wouldn't be surprised if the democratic nominee has a "John Kerry vibe" to him/her. And by that I mean "Ugh...I am in no way excited to vote for this person, but I have to because I don't want to vote for Bush." That's how I was in 2004. That's how I was in 2016. And more than likely, that's how I'll be in 2020: "Fine, Bernie/Biden/Warren/Harris/Whoever, I'll vote for you but just because Trump is awful." While that may be enough to get my vote, I'm not sure about the electorate at large.The Juggler said:
He's real low and, if still in office, will be running against someone immensely more popular than the person he ran against 3 years ago. These things matter greatly.
But, hey, if these democrats are good at anything, it's screwing up elections they should win. So....yeah don't assume things.
You cannot stress enough how much baggage she had/has and how deeply people despised both her and her husband for 25 years prior to running in '16. Nobody else can come close to that.
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See, I think what you say here supports my argument. Think about it: the most unlikable candidate got the third most votes in this country's history because she was running against someone equally or more so unlikable. Whoever the dems nominate will be immensely more popular than Hillary Clinton and won't have an ounce of her baggage.Ledbetterman10 said:
She got the third-most votes ever in a U.S. presidential election behind only Obama's two wins. She had a lot of baggage, but also a lot of resources like experience, an enormous amount of money that none of the 2020 democrats will likely be able to raise, and she was married to a popular president. For how unlikeable she was, she had a lot of good stuff going for her too. I can't fathom Kamala Harris or Elizabeth Warren doing as well as her. Even Biden and Sanders' time might have come and gone with the democrats, though I'd have more faith in them against Trump than I would any of the others.The Juggler said:
My point is even if someone has a "John Kerry vibe" ---just merely the fact that he or she won't be Hillary Fucking Clinton means that person will be way more popular....and will be running against the most unpopular president ever (or one of, depending on what day you check his numbers).Ledbetterman10 said:
I'm not so sure about that. His opponent might be less loathsome than Hillary, but I'm not sure that nominee will be truly "popular" in a way that people will be energized and excited to vote for them. I wouldn't be surprised if the democratic nominee has a "John Kerry vibe" to him/her. And by that I mean "Ugh...I am in no way excited to vote for this person, but I have to because I don't want to vote for Bush." That's how I was in 2004. That's how I was in 2016. And more than likely, that's how I'll be in 2020: "Fine, Bernie/Biden/Warren/Harris/Whoever, I'll vote for you but just because Trump is awful." While that may be enough to get my vote, I'm not sure about the electorate at large.The Juggler said:
He's real low and, if still in office, will be running against someone immensely more popular than the person he ran against 3 years ago. These things matter greatly.
But, hey, if these democrats are good at anything, it's screwing up elections they should win. So....yeah don't assume things.
You cannot stress enough how much baggage she had/has and how deeply people despised both her and her husband for 25 years prior to running in '16. Nobody else can come close to that.
The money and resources you mention are overblown because all of those resources and money will be put into whoever the nominee will be this year anyway. You think they will hold back with this fucking guy on the ballot after what happened in '16? Hell no. I'd argue the money and resources will be greater than before, only because Trump's had such a head start since he technically declared he was running the day he was inaugurated (or close to that---they've been raising money for two years).www.myspace.com0 -
There'll be plenty of fake baggage. I am sure it's well under development for everyone that's considering running.The Juggler said:
See, I think what you say here supports my argument. Think about it: the most unlikable candidate got the third most votes in this country's history because she was running against someone equally or more so unlikable. Whoever the dems nominate will be immensely more popular than Hillary Clinton and won't have an ounce of her baggage.Ledbetterman10 said:
She got the third-most votes ever in a U.S. presidential election behind only Obama's two wins. She had a lot of baggage, but also a lot of resources like experience, an enormous amount of money that none of the 2020 democrats will likely be able to raise, and she was married to a popular president. For how unlikeable she was, she had a lot of good stuff going for her too. I can't fathom Kamala Harris or Elizabeth Warren doing as well as her. Even Biden and Sanders' time might have come and gone with the democrats, though I'd have more faith in them against Trump than I would any of the others.The Juggler said:
My point is even if someone has a "John Kerry vibe" ---just merely the fact that he or she won't be Hillary Fucking Clinton means that person will be way more popular....and will be running against the most unpopular president ever (or one of, depending on what day you check his numbers).Ledbetterman10 said:
I'm not so sure about that. His opponent might be less loathsome than Hillary, but I'm not sure that nominee will be truly "popular" in a way that people will be energized and excited to vote for them. I wouldn't be surprised if the democratic nominee has a "John Kerry vibe" to him/her. And by that I mean "Ugh...I am in no way excited to vote for this person, but I have to because I don't want to vote for Bush." That's how I was in 2004. That's how I was in 2016. And more than likely, that's how I'll be in 2020: "Fine, Bernie/Biden/Warren/Harris/Whoever, I'll vote for you but just because Trump is awful." While that may be enough to get my vote, I'm not sure about the electorate at large.The Juggler said:
He's real low and, if still in office, will be running against someone immensely more popular than the person he ran against 3 years ago. These things matter greatly.
But, hey, if these democrats are good at anything, it's screwing up elections they should win. So....yeah don't assume things.
You cannot stress enough how much baggage she had/has and how deeply people despised both her and her husband for 25 years prior to running in '16. Nobody else can come close to that.
The money and resources you mention are overblown because all of those resources and money will be put into whoever the nominee will be this year anyway. You think they will hold back with this fucking guy on the ballot after what happened in '16? Hell no. I'd argue the money and resources will be greater than before, only because Trump's had such a head start since he technically declared he was running the day he was inaugurated (or close to that---they've been raising money for two years).1995 Milwaukee 1998 Alpine, Alpine 2003 Albany, Boston, Boston, Boston 2004 Boston, Boston 2006 Hartford, St. Paul (Petty), St. Paul (Petty) 2011 Alpine, Alpine
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You can discuss what ever you desire , Karma ? i don't believe in it ...Meltdown99 said:
Nope. Farthest from the truth. Nice try though. I am a Canadian who is enjoying this clown show. I will admit that. Until Americans own up and admit that they have caused so much unnecessary chaos in other countries I will continue to enjoy. Maybe a Trump presidency is kind of like karma. Has that occurred to you? When did the US sanction Venezuela? 2014, something like that. It seemed before then at least people were housed, fed had medical care...now the country is in complete chaos...millions have left. Shall we discuss Yemen, Iraq maybe Afghanistan...josevolution said:
You should come out of the closet and just admit it you are a baffoon supporter lol , there's nothing fun watching the country being run by a total idiot ...Meltdown99 said:Some people's tones are changing from no way he gets re-elected to maybe. These forums will be fun if that happens.jesus greets me looks just like me ....0 -
Yeah...the bolded part's actually a pretty good point. But as for your second paragraph, I dunno, you said it pretty well a few posts ago: "But, hey, if these democrats are good at anything, it's screwing up elections they should win."The Juggler said:
See, I think what you say here supports my argument. Think about it: the most unlikable candidate got the third most votes in this country's history because she was running against someone equally or more so unlikable. Whoever the dems nominate will be immensely more popular than Hillary Clinton and won't have an ounce of her baggage.Ledbetterman10 said:
She got the third-most votes ever in a U.S. presidential election behind only Obama's two wins. She had a lot of baggage, but also a lot of resources like experience, an enormous amount of money that none of the 2020 democrats will likely be able to raise, and she was married to a popular president. For how unlikeable she was, she had a lot of good stuff going for her too. I can't fathom Kamala Harris or Elizabeth Warren doing as well as her. Even Biden and Sanders' time might have come and gone with the democrats, though I'd have more faith in them against Trump than I would any of the others.The Juggler said:
My point is even if someone has a "John Kerry vibe" ---just merely the fact that he or she won't be Hillary Fucking Clinton means that person will be way more popular....and will be running against the most unpopular president ever (or one of, depending on what day you check his numbers).Ledbetterman10 said:
I'm not so sure about that. His opponent might be less loathsome than Hillary, but I'm not sure that nominee will be truly "popular" in a way that people will be energized and excited to vote for them. I wouldn't be surprised if the democratic nominee has a "John Kerry vibe" to him/her. And by that I mean "Ugh...I am in no way excited to vote for this person, but I have to because I don't want to vote for Bush." That's how I was in 2004. That's how I was in 2016. And more than likely, that's how I'll be in 2020: "Fine, Bernie/Biden/Warren/Harris/Whoever, I'll vote for you but just because Trump is awful." While that may be enough to get my vote, I'm not sure about the electorate at large.The Juggler said:
He's real low and, if still in office, will be running against someone immensely more popular than the person he ran against 3 years ago. These things matter greatly.
But, hey, if these democrats are good at anything, it's screwing up elections they should win. So....yeah don't assume things.
You cannot stress enough how much baggage she had/has and how deeply people despised both her and her husband for 25 years prior to running in '16. Nobody else can come close to that.
The money and resources you mention are overblown because all of those resources and money will be put into whoever the nominee will be this year anyway. You think they will hold back with this fucking guy on the ballot after what happened in '16? Hell no. I'd argue the money and resources will be greater than before, only because Trump's had such a head start since he technically declared he was running the day he was inaugurated (or close to that---they've been raising money for two years).
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I think they could screw it up if they go too far left.....Ledbetterman10 said:
Yeah...the bolded part's actually a pretty good point. But as for your second paragraph, I dunno, you said it pretty well a few posts ago: "But, hey, if these democrats are good at anything, it's screwing up elections they should win."The Juggler said:
See, I think what you say here supports my argument. Think about it: the most unlikable candidate got the third most votes in this country's history because she was running against someone equally or more so unlikable. Whoever the dems nominate will be immensely more popular than Hillary Clinton and won't have an ounce of her baggage.Ledbetterman10 said:
She got the third-most votes ever in a U.S. presidential election behind only Obama's two wins. She had a lot of baggage, but also a lot of resources like experience, an enormous amount of money that none of the 2020 democrats will likely be able to raise, and she was married to a popular president. For how unlikeable she was, she had a lot of good stuff going for her too. I can't fathom Kamala Harris or Elizabeth Warren doing as well as her. Even Biden and Sanders' time might have come and gone with the democrats, though I'd have more faith in them against Trump than I would any of the others.The Juggler said:
My point is even if someone has a "John Kerry vibe" ---just merely the fact that he or she won't be Hillary Fucking Clinton means that person will be way more popular....and will be running against the most unpopular president ever (or one of, depending on what day you check his numbers).Ledbetterman10 said:
I'm not so sure about that. His opponent might be less loathsome than Hillary, but I'm not sure that nominee will be truly "popular" in a way that people will be energized and excited to vote for them. I wouldn't be surprised if the democratic nominee has a "John Kerry vibe" to him/her. And by that I mean "Ugh...I am in no way excited to vote for this person, but I have to because I don't want to vote for Bush." That's how I was in 2004. That's how I was in 2016. And more than likely, that's how I'll be in 2020: "Fine, Bernie/Biden/Warren/Harris/Whoever, I'll vote for you but just because Trump is awful." While that may be enough to get my vote, I'm not sure about the electorate at large.The Juggler said:
He's real low and, if still in office, will be running against someone immensely more popular than the person he ran against 3 years ago. These things matter greatly.
But, hey, if these democrats are good at anything, it's screwing up elections they should win. So....yeah don't assume things.
You cannot stress enough how much baggage she had/has and how deeply people despised both her and her husband for 25 years prior to running in '16. Nobody else can come close to that.
The money and resources you mention are overblown because all of those resources and money will be put into whoever the nominee will be this year anyway. You think they will hold back with this fucking guy on the ballot after what happened in '16? Hell no. I'd argue the money and resources will be greater than before, only because Trump's had such a head start since he technically declared he was running the day he was inaugurated (or close to that---they've been raising money for two years).www.myspace.com0 -
Everyone has baggage. No one has close to the baggage that Hillary dragged around throughout her divisive 25 years of public service. Nothing will be remotely close to that.OnWis97 said:
There'll be plenty of fake baggage. I am sure it's well under development for everyone that's considering running.The Juggler said:
See, I think what you say here supports my argument. Think about it: the most unlikable candidate got the third most votes in this country's history because she was running against someone equally or more so unlikable. Whoever the dems nominate will be immensely more popular than Hillary Clinton and won't have an ounce of her baggage.Ledbetterman10 said:
She got the third-most votes ever in a U.S. presidential election behind only Obama's two wins. She had a lot of baggage, but also a lot of resources like experience, an enormous amount of money that none of the 2020 democrats will likely be able to raise, and she was married to a popular president. For how unlikeable she was, she had a lot of good stuff going for her too. I can't fathom Kamala Harris or Elizabeth Warren doing as well as her. Even Biden and Sanders' time might have come and gone with the democrats, though I'd have more faith in them against Trump than I would any of the others.The Juggler said:
My point is even if someone has a "John Kerry vibe" ---just merely the fact that he or she won't be Hillary Fucking Clinton means that person will be way more popular....and will be running against the most unpopular president ever (or one of, depending on what day you check his numbers).Ledbetterman10 said:
I'm not so sure about that. His opponent might be less loathsome than Hillary, but I'm not sure that nominee will be truly "popular" in a way that people will be energized and excited to vote for them. I wouldn't be surprised if the democratic nominee has a "John Kerry vibe" to him/her. And by that I mean "Ugh...I am in no way excited to vote for this person, but I have to because I don't want to vote for Bush." That's how I was in 2004. That's how I was in 2016. And more than likely, that's how I'll be in 2020: "Fine, Bernie/Biden/Warren/Harris/Whoever, I'll vote for you but just because Trump is awful." While that may be enough to get my vote, I'm not sure about the electorate at large.The Juggler said:
He's real low and, if still in office, will be running against someone immensely more popular than the person he ran against 3 years ago. These things matter greatly.
But, hey, if these democrats are good at anything, it's screwing up elections they should win. So....yeah don't assume things.
You cannot stress enough how much baggage she had/has and how deeply people despised both her and her husband for 25 years prior to running in '16. Nobody else can come close to that.
The money and resources you mention are overblown because all of those resources and money will be put into whoever the nominee will be this year anyway. You think they will hold back with this fucking guy on the ballot after what happened in '16? Hell no. I'd argue the money and resources will be greater than before, only because Trump's had such a head start since he technically declared he was running the day he was inaugurated (or close to that---they've been raising money for two years).
Edit--oh you said "fake" baggage. Ha. Yeah, I am sure Russia is working overtime right now in preparation.
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Are you fucking kidding me? Apparently, you know all Americans better than we know ourselves. Give me a damn break.Meltdown99 said:
Do you not think the average American revels in all the unnecessary chaos they cause? They either revel or don't give it shit They need to feel what other countries feel. But they never will, they will continue to bully the world. Americans are very self-centred people. Their needs are what matters most. Just look at all the other really interesting topics that some people start here an hardly anyone looks at them...but we'll discuss 5 pages about Trump's weight. It is fucking hilarious. I wouldn't bet against most poster only being able to only find other countries on a map from the PJ shows they travel to.PJ_Soul said:It is not nice to revel in other people's misery.I LOVE MUSIC.
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Whoever gets the dem nod will be found to suddenly have more baggage than Samsonite.The Juggler said:
Everyone has baggage. No one has close to the baggage that Hillary dragged around throughout her divisive 25 years of public service. Nothing will be remotely close to that.OnWis97 said:
There'll be plenty of fake baggage. I am sure it's well under development for everyone that's considering running.The Juggler said:
See, I think what you say here supports my argument. Think about it: the most unlikable candidate got the third most votes in this country's history because she was running against someone equally or more so unlikable. Whoever the dems nominate will be immensely more popular than Hillary Clinton and won't have an ounce of her baggage.Ledbetterman10 said:
She got the third-most votes ever in a U.S. presidential election behind only Obama's two wins. She had a lot of baggage, but also a lot of resources like experience, an enormous amount of money that none of the 2020 democrats will likely be able to raise, and she was married to a popular president. For how unlikeable she was, she had a lot of good stuff going for her too. I can't fathom Kamala Harris or Elizabeth Warren doing as well as her. Even Biden and Sanders' time might have come and gone with the democrats, though I'd have more faith in them against Trump than I would any of the others.The Juggler said:
My point is even if someone has a "John Kerry vibe" ---just merely the fact that he or she won't be Hillary Fucking Clinton means that person will be way more popular....and will be running against the most unpopular president ever (or one of, depending on what day you check his numbers).Ledbetterman10 said:
I'm not so sure about that. His opponent might be less loathsome than Hillary, but I'm not sure that nominee will be truly "popular" in a way that people will be energized and excited to vote for them. I wouldn't be surprised if the democratic nominee has a "John Kerry vibe" to him/her. And by that I mean "Ugh...I am in no way excited to vote for this person, but I have to because I don't want to vote for Bush." That's how I was in 2004. That's how I was in 2016. And more than likely, that's how I'll be in 2020: "Fine, Bernie/Biden/Warren/Harris/Whoever, I'll vote for you but just because Trump is awful." While that may be enough to get my vote, I'm not sure about the electorate at large.The Juggler said:
He's real low and, if still in office, will be running against someone immensely more popular than the person he ran against 3 years ago. These things matter greatly.
But, hey, if these democrats are good at anything, it's screwing up elections they should win. So....yeah don't assume things.
You cannot stress enough how much baggage she had/has and how deeply people despised both her and her husband for 25 years prior to running in '16. Nobody else can come close to that.
The money and resources you mention are overblown because all of those resources and money will be put into whoever the nominee will be this year anyway. You think they will hold back with this fucking guy on the ballot after what happened in '16? Hell no. I'd argue the money and resources will be greater than before, only because Trump's had such a head start since he technically declared he was running the day he was inaugurated (or close to that---they've been raising money for two years).
Edit--oh you said "fake" baggage. Ha. Yeah, I am sure Russia is working overtime right now in preparation.
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Dude you just cant help yourself... i try to play niceThe Juggler said:
Okay. First of all, please don't take offense to what I am about to say. And please don't run to the moderator like the last time we disagreed. People can have discussion and disagree and still remain civil and not have to feel the need to run to a moderator and risk having a thread shut down just because they were proven wrong.my2hands said:So in December he is losing to a generic candidate by 14 points...
In March that is down to 7 points... yeah, thats not exactly a good thing
I'm not sure what you achieve by constantly pointing out he is unpopular... he's been unpopular since he rode the escalator down... i sure hope the hubris we saw in 2016 doesn't come back, that shit killed us... i heard every day how far ahead Hillary was in the polls and that Trump had slim chances of winning... the last nbc/wsj poll has him at 47% with registered voters... that is after Cohen... so pardon me if i'm not on cruise control thinking this is in the bag
And the messenger was not mistaken, did you read the article? His numbers ticked up.... Also the only polls i'm concerned with are registered voters and likely voters, not concerned with generic polls
Hubris is the enemy
I point out to the mods when you were dismissive, rude, passive aggressive, name call, attempt to talk down to me, or act like an ass in general... i could give AF if you disagree with me
some folks around here have no problem running to the mods in secret, i have chosen to do it right in your face, and don't care if it hurts your feelings, homie
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This is a problem for Trump. Lordstown is a big plant in the Youngstown area that is heart of the blue collar Ohio. While I don't think Ohio is in play for Democrats, it's close enough to the PA border where it affects PA citizens. It also shows that capital will always gravitate to the lowest cost. Factory jobs will come back when they are robotic and run by engineers , not blue collar workers.Halifax2TheMax said:So much winning.The automaker is shutting down production at its Lordstown plant, home of the Chevy Cruze — affecting 5,400 people
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Sad. A few years ago seems everyone was getting away from suvs and buying a Cruze or other small compact car. Then gas prices went down now the trend has gone the other way. Just got a new Malibu and also have an Impala, which if I’m correct both those models are being discontinued as well. If GM is positioning themselves to invest and make more electric vehicles that’s a positive , but it sucks for those affected by the job loses.Halifax2TheMax said:So much winning.The automaker is shutting down production at its Lordstown plant, home of the Chevy Cruze — affecting 5,400 people
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Some people are waaaaaaaaay too sensitive.my2hands said:
Dude you just cant help yourself... i try to play niceThe Juggler said:
Okay. First of all, please don't take offense to what I am about to say. And please don't run to the moderator like the last time we disagreed. People can have discussion and disagree and still remain civil and not have to feel the need to run to a moderator and risk having a thread shut down just because they were proven wrong.my2hands said:So in December he is losing to a generic candidate by 14 points...
In March that is down to 7 points... yeah, thats not exactly a good thing
I'm not sure what you achieve by constantly pointing out he is unpopular... he's been unpopular since he rode the escalator down... i sure hope the hubris we saw in 2016 doesn't come back, that shit killed us... i heard every day how far ahead Hillary was in the polls and that Trump had slim chances of winning... the last nbc/wsj poll has him at 47% with registered voters... that is after Cohen... so pardon me if i'm not on cruise control thinking this is in the bag
And the messenger was not mistaken, did you read the article? His numbers ticked up.... Also the only polls i'm concerned with are registered voters and likely voters, not concerned with generic polls
Hubris is the enemy
I point out to the mods when you were dismissive, rude, passive aggressive, name call, attempt to talk down to me, or act like an ass in general... i could give AF if you disagree with me
some folks around here have no problem running to the mods in secret, i have chosen to do it right in your face, and don't care if it hurts your feelings, homie
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https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/03/06/politics/donald-trump-2020-election-illegitimate/index.html
People claiming that he will just hand power if he gets beat in 2020 are not reading between the linesjesus greets me looks just like me ....0 -
Yea, sure, don’t draw parallels to fascism.
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