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relaxcincybearcat said:
Who? Or is this just another veiled dig so you can pretend you don't just personally insult people all the time without owning it.Halifax2TheMax said:Somebody needs to get woke, yo!Bristow 05132010 to Amsterdam 2 061320180 -
Take your pick. And no.cincybearcat said:
Who? Or is this just another veiled dig so you can pretend you don't just personally insult people all the time without owning it.Halifax2TheMax said:Somebody needs to get woke, yo!09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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#pollsdontmatterBristow 05132010 to Amsterdam 2 061320180
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Halifax2TheMax said:
Take your pick. And no.cincybearcat said:
Who? Or is this just another veiled dig so you can pretend you don't just personally insult people all the time without owning it.Halifax2TheMax said:Somebody needs to get woke, yo!
So what the hell do you mean?hippiemom = goodness0 -
could be anyone and no is how I read it.Bristow 05132010 to Amsterdam 2 061320180
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So not really worth posting then? I mean, is this a pace to post generic 1 liners?Tiki said:could be anyone and no is how I read it.hippiemom = goodness0 -
sorry you're not finding anyone profound enough for the room.
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Insert dismissive tirade here...Bristow 05132010 to Amsterdam 2 061320180
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Wake up.
You're all missing what's going on here. While you occupy yourself with petty stories of toilet paper on the bottom of shoes, massive waistlines, and Big Macs in the WH that are all designed to distract you, the real story is taking place. And if you don't figure out what the real story is soon, it will be too gawddamn late you dummies.
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I know what the real story is.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:Wake up.
You're all missing what's going on here. While you occupy yourself with petty stories of toilet paper on the bottom of shoes, massive waistlines, and Big Macs in the WH that are all designed to distract you, the real story is taking place. And if you don't figure out what the real story is soon, it will be too gawddamn late you dummies.
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HughFreakingDillon said:
I know what the real story is.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:Wake up.
You're all missing what's going on here. While you occupy yourself with petty stories of toilet paper on the bottom of shoes, massive waistlines, and Big Macs in the WH that are all designed to distract you, the real story is taking place. And if you don't figure out what the real story is soon, it will be too gawddamn late you dummies.
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my2hands said:So in December he is losing to a generic candidate by 14 points...
In March that is down to 7 points... yeah, thats not exactly a good thing
I'm not sure what you achieve by constantly pointing out he is unpopular... he's been unpopular since he rode the escalator down... i sure hope the hubris we saw in 2016 doesn't come back, that shit killed us... i heard every day how far ahead Hillary was in the polls and that Trump had slim chances of winning... the last nbc/wsj poll has him at 47% with registered voters... that is after Cohen... so pardon me if i'm not on cruise control thinking this is in the bag
And the messenger was not mistaken, did you read the article? His numbers ticked up.... Also the only polls i'm concerned with are registered voters and likely voters, not concerned with generic polls
Hubris is the enemy
That NBC poll had Trump at 46%. But, even in your poll it ain't looking to good:
The bigger reveal in that poll:
"The NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll found that 41 percent of registered voters plan to vote for Trump while 48 percent said they plan to vote for whoever ends up becoming the Democratic candidate.
By contrast, at about this point in former President Barack Obama's presidency, 45 percent of voters said they planned to vote for Obama while 40 percent preferred a generic Republican candidate. "
That Obama +5 turned out to be a very accurate predictor.
Trump -7 against any democrat aint too good for this era of very low unemployment.0 -
Lerxst1992 said:my2hands said:So in December he is losing to a generic candidate by 14 points...
In March that is down to 7 points... yeah, thats not exactly a good thing
I'm not sure what you achieve by constantly pointing out he is unpopular... he's been unpopular since he rode the escalator down... i sure hope the hubris we saw in 2016 doesn't come back, that shit killed us... i heard every day how far ahead Hillary was in the polls and that Trump had slim chances of winning... the last nbc/wsj poll has him at 47% with registered voters... that is after Cohen... so pardon me if i'm not on cruise control thinking this is in the bag
And the messenger was not mistaken, did you read the article? His numbers ticked up.... Also the only polls i'm concerned with are registered voters and likely voters, not concerned with generic polls
Hubris is the enemy
That NBC poll had Trump at 46%. But, even in your poll it ain't looking to good:
The bigger reveal in that poll:
"The NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll found that 41 percent of registered voters plan to vote for Trump while 48 percent said they plan to vote for whoever ends up becoming the Democratic candidate.
By contrast, at about this point in former President Barack Obama's presidency, 45 percent of voters said they planned to vote for Obama while 40 percent preferred a generic Republican candidate. "
That Obama +5 turned out to be a very accurate predictor.
Trump -7 against any democrat aint too good for this era of very low unemployment.
We're in an "anybody but Trump" era.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
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I agree that splitting hairs on polls in March of an odd-numbered year is kinda silly. That said, I think most of M2H's point is spot-on. I don't care what the exact number is, but Trump's not as unpopular as many think...so when it comes to 2020, it seems crazy to sit around and say "no way this moron gets re-elected" after we spent 2016 saying "no way this moron gets elected." I thought the complacency (when he was running against the most hated candidate ever) was bad enough...but this time we have history to learn from and it's starting to look like we haven't learned. A legitimately good candidate is needed. A pragmatist to bring in the moderates? A liberal to bring in the harder left? Doesn't matter; it needs to be someone that will bring people to the polls. Obama did that. Hillary did not (at least not for her).
Even if M2H's and my tone that he's not as unpopular as you think (Trumpies don't respond to polls) is off-base, that might not really matter when it comes to 2020. It's about who votes. And that 37-46%? They're all voting. Every single one of them. The rest? Well, maybe roughly the same proportion hates him enough that they'll be voting against him for sure, which with the Electoral College is not enough. Who gets the rest of the people out...those people that don't think Trump's doing a good job but don't necessary see the importance in getting him out? That's what matters. And that's what I hope Democrats figure out. But right now, they kinda seem to think "not Trump" is enough. And it's not.
Remember, whatever his popularity, a huge chunk of the rest of the people (54% to 63%) don't hate him like most of us do.Post edited by OnWis97 on1995 Milwaukee 1998 Alpine, Alpine 2003 Albany, Boston, Boston, Boston 2004 Boston, Boston 2006 Hartford, St. Paul (Petty), St. Paul (Petty) 2011 Alpine, Alpine
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This is the most sensible post I've read in this thread.OnWis97 said:I agree that splitting hairs on polls in March of an odd-numbered year is kinda silly. That said, I think most of M2H's point is spot-on. I don't care what the exact number is, but Trump's not as unpopular as many think...so when it comes to 2020, it seems crazy to sit around and say "no way this moron gets re-elected" after we spent 2016 saying "no way this moron gets elected." I thought the complacency (when he was running against the most hated candidate ever) was bad enough...but this time we have history to learn from and it's starting to look like we haven't learned. A legitimately good candidate is needed. A pragmatist to bring in the moderates? A liberal to bring in the harder left? Doesn't matter; it needs to be someone that will bring people to the polls. Obama did that. Hillary did not (at least not for her).
Even if M2H's and my tone that he's not as unpopular as you think (Trumpies don't respond to polls) is off-base, that might not really matter when it comes to 2020. It's about who votes. And that 37-46%? They're all voting. Every single one of them. The rest? Well, maybe roughly the same proportion hates him enough that they'll be voting against him for sure, which with the Electoral College is not enough. Who gets the rest of the people out...those people that don't think Trump's doing a good job but don't necessary see the importance in getting him out? That's what matters. And that's what I hope Democrats figure out. But right now, they kinda seem to think "not Trump" is enough. And it's not.
Remember, whatever his popularity, a huge chunk of the rest of the people (54% to 63%) don't hate him like most of us do.
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I know several college educated co-workers and friends who think Trump is doing a wonderful job. As long as Trump runs as a pro-life, pro-gun, pro-wall candidate, I can see him getting re-elected.OnWis97 said:I agree that splitting hairs on polls in March of an odd-numbered year is kinda silly. That said, I think most of M2H's point is spot-on. I don't care what the exact number is, but Trump's not as unpopular as many think...so when it comes to 2020, it seems crazy to sit around and say "no way this moron gets re-elected" after we spent 2016 saying "no way this moron gets elected." I thought the complacency (when he was running against the most hated candidate ever) was bad enough...but this time we have history to learn from and it's starting to look like we haven't learned. A legitimately good candidate is needed. A pragmatist to bring in the moderates? A liberal to bring in the harder left? Doesn't matter; it needs to be someone that will bring people to the polls. Obama did that. Hillary did not (at least not for her).
Even if M2H's and my tone that he's not as unpopular as you think (Trumpies don't respond to polls) is off-base, that might not really matter when it comes to 2020. It's about who votes. And that 37-46%? They're all voting. Every single one of them. The rest? Well, maybe roughly the same proportion hates him enough that they'll be voting against him for sure, which with the Electoral College is not enough. Who gets the rest of the people out...those people that don't think Trump's doing a good job but don't necessary see the importance in getting him out? That's what matters. And that's what I hope Democrats figure out. But right now, they kinda seem to think "not Trump" is enough. And it's not.
Remember, whatever his popularity, a huge chunk of the rest of the people (54% to 63%) don't hate him like most of us do.0
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