Otto Warmbier

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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    dignin said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    https://www.scmp.com/magazines/post-magazine/long-reads/article/2169308/otto-warmbier-what-happened-north-korean-jail-led

    Interesting article of a very sad situation.

    I really hope tRump doesn't tweet insults at Warmbier's parents.
    Thanks for sharing by the way. I learned a lot and based on the evidence I'm inclined to believe it was a suicide attempt.
    absolutely was my thought too even before that was mentioned as a possibility in the article. 
    Same here. The timing, North Korea's motive and the nature of the injury makes it definitely a possibility.


  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    dignin said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    dignin said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    https://www.scmp.com/magazines/post-magazine/long-reads/article/2169308/otto-warmbier-what-happened-north-korean-jail-led

    Interesting article of a very sad situation.

    I really hope tRump doesn't tweet insults at Warmbier's parents.
    Thanks for sharing by the way. I learned a lot and based on the evidence I'm inclined to believe it was a suicide attempt.
    absolutely was my thought too even before that was mentioned as a possibility in the article. 
    Same here. The timing, North Korea's motive and the nature of the injury makes it definitely a possibility.


    i just wonder how, though? and with how odd his injury was, basically in a vegatative state with no physical injuries that anyone could detect, what would he have done do you think?
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    Probably tried to hang himself. 

  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    true. i just wonder, he must have been not left alone at all in the time leading up to his 'illness'. i wouldn't imagine he would have been, anyway. but who knows. 
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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,410
    my2hands said:
    We realize he was a CIA asset, right?


    Nope
    Clinton Campaign
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    my2hands said:
    We realize he was a CIA asset, right?


    source?
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    true. i just wonder, he must have been not left alone at all in the time leading up to his 'illness'. i wouldn't imagine he would have been, anyway. but who knows. 
    He probably wasn't supposed to be left alone but likely some guards fucked up and those poor bastards are likely either dead or rotting in a prison. This Kim apparently doesn't fuck around.

    All pretty tragic when you consider he would likely have been released in good time.

    To hear about how other prisoners committed suicide upon returning really adds to the theory.
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    dignin said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    true. i just wonder, he must have been not left alone at all in the time leading up to his 'illness'. i wouldn't imagine he would have been, anyway. but who knows. 
    He probably wasn't supposed to be left alone but likely some guards fucked up and those poor bastards are likely either dead or rotting in a prison. This Kim apparently doesn't fuck around.

    All pretty tragic when you consider he would likely have been released in good time.

    To hear about how other prisoners committed suicide upon returning really adds to the theory.
    totally. 
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,587
    What people are forgetting is that once he was captive he wasn’t allowed to take phone calls from his parents at 21 what do you think he felt like ? Maybe if he was allowed to talk to them they could if talked him into just waiting to be released but that’s water under bridge , I’m not believing that he tried to commit suicide not for a 2nd he was murdered there in NK and the evil rocket prick is responsible for his death !
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    josevolution said:
    What people are forgetting is that once he was captive he wasn’t allowed to take phone calls from his parents at 21 what do you think he felt like ? Maybe if he was allowed to talk to them they could if talked him into just waiting to be released but that’s water under bridge , I’m not believing that he tried to commit suicide not for a 2nd he was murdered there in NK and the evil rocket prick is responsible for his death !
    Did you read the article? the evidence simply does not support that theory. the kims are horrible disgusting people who commit despicable atrocities on their own people, but evidence shows they don't treat foreign prisoners the same way. i'm not saying that gives him a pass. i'm saying that it's unlikely that they are responsible for otto's death. 
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    josevolution said:
    What people are forgetting is that once he was captive he wasn’t allowed to take phone calls from his parents at 21 what do you think he felt like ? Maybe if he was allowed to talk to them they could if talked him into just waiting to be released but that’s water under bridge , I’m not believing that he tried to commit suicide not for a 2nd he was murdered there in NK and the evil rocket prick is responsible for his death !
    Did you read the article? the evidence simply does not support that theory. the kims are horrible disgusting people who commit despicable atrocities on their own people, but evidence shows they don't treat foreign prisoners the same way. i'm not saying that gives him a pass. i'm saying that it's unlikely that they are responsible for otto's death. 
    “Responsible” in the larger sense, I assume Jose means; at least that’s what I would say. 
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,587
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    josevolution said:
    What people are forgetting is that once he was captive he wasn’t allowed to take phone calls from his parents at 21 what do you think he felt like ? Maybe if he was allowed to talk to them they could if talked him into just waiting to be released but that’s water under bridge , I’m not believing that he tried to commit suicide not for a 2nd he was murdered there in NK and the evil rocket prick is responsible for his death !
    Did you read the article? the evidence simply does not support that theory. the kims are horrible disgusting people who commit despicable atrocities on their own people, but evidence shows they don't treat foreign prisoners the same way. i'm not saying that gives him a pass. i'm saying that it's unlikely that they are responsible for otto's death. 
    I don’t believe that article ! 
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,587
    He died in their Jail they are responsible for his wellbeing they failed ..
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    oftenreading said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    josevolution said:
    What people are forgetting is that once he was captive he wasn’t allowed to take phone calls from his parents at 21 what do you think he felt like ? Maybe if he was allowed to talk to them they could if talked him into just waiting to be released but that’s water under bridge , I’m not believing that he tried to commit suicide not for a 2nd he was murdered there in NK and the evil rocket prick is responsible for his death !
    Did you read the article? the evidence simply does not support that theory. the kims are horrible disgusting people who commit despicable atrocities on their own people, but evidence shows they don't treat foreign prisoners the same way. i'm not saying that gives him a pass. i'm saying that it's unlikely that they are responsible for otto's death. 
    “Responsible” in the larger sense, I assume Jose means; at least that’s what I would say. 
    jose said he was murdered. which doesn't sound like the truth. but who knows. 
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    Looking at the situation objectively (yes, easy not knowing the kid and sitting here in the cheap seats) I certainly agree that it was wrong for the kid to get killed and a terrible tragedy for his family and friends but at the same time, it was a foolish mistake on the kid's part and he put his life on the line for no reason.  They failed, he failed.  Clusterfuck is the word that comes to mind.
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,587
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    oftenreading said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    josevolution said:
    What people are forgetting is that once he was captive he wasn’t allowed to take phone calls from his parents at 21 what do you think he felt like ? Maybe if he was allowed to talk to them they could if talked him into just waiting to be released but that’s water under bridge , I’m not believing that he tried to commit suicide not for a 2nd he was murdered there in NK and the evil rocket prick is responsible for his death !
    Did you read the article? the evidence simply does not support that theory. the kims are horrible disgusting people who commit despicable atrocities on their own people, but evidence shows they don't treat foreign prisoners the same way. i'm not saying that gives him a pass. i'm saying that it's unlikely that they are responsible for otto's death. 
    “Responsible” in the larger sense, I assume Jose means; at least that’s what I would say. 
    jose said he was murdered. which doesn't sound like the truth. but who knows. 
    I’m just not believing he committed suicide by choice how do we know he wasn’t drugged with an agent to totally screw up his thinking , unless the writers are inside NK documenting how prisoners are treated I’m not believing these articles..
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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Family says his teeth were horribly mangled...... medical examiner said his teeth were fine

    Family said his arms and legs looked misformed... said he looked like he had been horribly tortured....... american intelligence says they had info he was beaten and tortured.......... medical examiner says he showed no signs of beatings, or torture

    21 year old top of his class... best and brightest.... all american........ goes to cuba........ goes to NK....... unnacounted for by his group for a few hours........ only one person actually see's him get taken away....... only 1 picture of the guy when he returns on a stretcher..........

    Keep believing those "sources" and everything being spoonfed to us...........
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,256
    edited March 2019
    I don’t think the U.S. should spend one second on bringing an American tourist home from North Korea.   Like a parent tells a kid don’t touch that stove or you will get burned, so does the USA tell its citizens not to go to North Korea.  Such an incredibly selfish thing to do. It isn’t just this kid that is at risk when he went there, but he can create a conflict between nations by going there.  

    It is sad for the family, but he put himself in that situation and only has himself to blame.  Do you blame the lion when someone walks into its cage and gets mauled?
  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,410
        
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,256
    What happened to him is exactly why he went to North Korea.  He went there because it is a country that does this to its visitors and he wanted the rush of traveling in a dangerous place.  He didn’t deserve what happened to him, but he knew the odds and lost.  

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