Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

I think it’s telling that Amazon caved so easily and hasn’t announced that they’re going someplace else, say Camden  where they were offered $6BB in incentives and they’re investing $700MM in an electric car company. Poor Amazon. Seems also that they weren’t very transparent on who would be filling those 25K in jobs.

What do you mean by this?  Amazon said they likely wouldn't build a second site now, only Virginia.  The 25k jobs would be dispersed through existing sites.  They wanted to establish a NYC presence and were very open about it. 

I’m reading that there was some questions raised about who would actually fill the 25K in jobs and where they would come from, local or from out of state. Amazon was reportedly non-commital.

Of course you would be non-commital.  If I were hiring 25k people, I'd be hiring the 25k most qualified people for the job, from wherever in the US they came from.  This is hardly some nefarious conspiracy to import the heathens from NJ, Boston and other horrible places.  Now your bias is going to be local because then you don't have to pay relo, which is very expensive.  Plus the start dates are usually more immediate.  

So the people in the neighborhood see a huge influx of outsiders, get rent increased out of where they live and don’t get hired too? Yea, sounds about right. And what’s wrong with asking where the hires are coming from or asking for a commitment in exchange for $3BB? Free money with no strings attached for billionaires that don’t need it.

Well they are exchanging 3 billion for 20 billion, so there is that important detail.  I don't know how they are "outsiders".  Is that what you call people that move into your neighborhood or businesses that relocate to your city?  I don't.  I call them Americans or American businesses and I welcome them.  Plus, with the low unemployment rate, do you think there are 25k unemployed people in that Queens neighborhood that qualify for these jobs?  Seems like these are unreasonable expectations.  

The city I work in regularly works with and requires that major companies that build large facilities hire a % of people from the city, including typically low income, public housing residents. It’s a public/private partnership and it helps strengthen the existing neighborhoods. They also tightly regulate the number of parking spaces and encourage subsidized public transportation, bike share, etc. I know, the horror. 

tempo_n_groove said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

I think it’s telling that Amazon caved so easily and hasn’t announced that they’re going someplace else, say Camden  where they were offered $6BB in incentives and they’re investing $700MM in an electric car company. Poor Amazon. Seems also that they weren’t very transparent on who would be filling those 25K in jobs.

What do you mean by this?  Amazon said they likely wouldn't build a second site now, only Virginia.  The 25k jobs would be dispersed through existing sites.  They wanted to establish a NYC presence and were very open about it. 

I’m reading that there was some questions raised about who would actually fill the 25K in jobs and where they would come from, local or from out of state. Amazon was reportedly non-commital.

Of course you would be non-commital.  If I were hiring 25k people, I'd be hiring the 25k most qualified people for the job, from wherever in the US they came from.  This is hardly some nefarious conspiracy to import the heathens from NJ, Boston and other horrible places.  Now your bias is going to be local because then you don't have to pay relo, which is very expensive.  Plus the start dates are usually more immediate.  

So the people in the neighborhood see a huge influx of outsiders, get rent increased out of where they live and don’t get hired too? Yea, sounds about right. And what’s wrong with asking where the hires are coming from or asking for a commitment in exchange for $3BB? Free money with no strings attached for billionaires that don’t need it.

Well they are exchanging 3 billion for 20 billion, so there is that important detail.  I don't know how they are "outsiders".  Is that what you call people that move into your neighborhood or businesses that relocate to your city?  I don't.  I call them Americans or American businesses and I welcome them.  Plus, with the low unemployment rate, do you think there are 25k unemployed people in that Queens neighborhood that qualify for these jobs?  Seems like these are unreasonable expectations.  

The city I work in regularly works with and requires that major companies that build large facilities hire a % of people from the city, including typically low income, public housing residents. It’s a public/private partnership and it helps strengthen the existing neighborhoods. They also tightly regulate the number of parking spaces and encourage subsidized public transportation, bike share, etc. I know, the horror. 

so, a "Halifax First" policy? LOL

No, not really, 

When we have done construction projects in other states or countries we had a requirement to hire local workers and a percentage to buy local products.

It really is a thing.

tempo_n_groove said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

I think it’s telling that Amazon caved so easily and hasn’t announced that they’re going someplace else, say Camden  where they were offered $6BB in incentives and they’re investing $700MM in an electric car company. Poor Amazon. Seems also that they weren’t very transparent on who would be filling those 25K in jobs.

What do you mean by this?  Amazon said they likely wouldn't build a second site now, only Virginia.  The 25k jobs would be dispersed through existing sites.  They wanted to establish a NYC presence and were very open about it. 

I’m reading that there was some questions raised about who would actually fill the 25K in jobs and where they would come from, local or from out of state. Amazon was reportedly non-commital.

Of course you would be non-commital.  If I were hiring 25k people, I'd be hiring the 25k most qualified people for the job, from wherever in the US they came from.  This is hardly some nefarious conspiracy to import the heathens from NJ, Boston and other horrible places.  Now your bias is going to be local because then you don't have to pay relo, which is very expensive.  Plus the start dates are usually more immediate.  

So the people in the neighborhood see a huge influx of outsiders, get rent increased out of where they live and don’t get hired too? Yea, sounds about right. And what’s wrong with asking where the hires are coming from or asking for a commitment in exchange for $3BB? Free money with no strings attached for billionaires that don’t need it.

Well they are exchanging 3 billion for 20 billion, so there is that important detail.  I don't know how they are "outsiders".  Is that what you call people that move into your neighborhood or businesses that relocate to your city?  I don't.  I call them Americans or American businesses and I welcome them.  Plus, with the low unemployment rate, do you think there are 25k unemployed people in that Queens neighborhood that qualify for these jobs?  Seems like these are unreasonable expectations.  

The city I work in regularly works with and requires that major companies that build large facilities hire a % of people from the city, including typically low income, public housing residents. It’s a public/private partnership and it helps strengthen the existing neighborhoods. They also tightly regulate the number of parking spaces and encourage subsidized public transportation, bike share, etc. I know, the horror. 

so, a "Halifax First" policy? LOL

No, not really, 

When we have done construction projects in other states or countries we had a requirement to hire local workers and a percentage to buy local products.

It really is a thing.

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

I think it’s telling that Amazon caved so easily and hasn’t announced that they’re going someplace else, say Camden  where they were offered $6BB in incentives and they’re investing $700MM in an electric car company. Poor Amazon. Seems also that they weren’t very transparent on who would be filling those 25K in jobs.

What do you mean by this?  Amazon said they likely wouldn't build a second site now, only Virginia.  The 25k jobs would be dispersed through existing sites.  They wanted to establish a NYC presence and were very open about it. 

I’m reading that there was some questions raised about who would actually fill the 25K in jobs and where they would come from, local or from out of state. Amazon was reportedly non-commital.

Of course you would be non-commital.  If I were hiring 25k people, I'd be hiring the 25k most qualified people for the job, from wherever in the US they came from.  This is hardly some nefarious conspiracy to import the heathens from NJ, Boston and other horrible places.  Now your bias is going to be local because then you don't have to pay relo, which is very expensive.  Plus the start dates are usually more immediate.  

So the people in the neighborhood see a huge influx of outsiders, get rent increased out of where they live and don’t get hired too? Yea, sounds about right. And what’s wrong with asking where the hires are coming from or asking for a commitment in exchange for $3BB? Free money with no strings attached for billionaires that don’t need it.

Well they are exchanging 3 billion for 20 billion, so there is that important detail.  I don't know how they are "outsiders".  Is that what you call people that move into your neighborhood or businesses that relocate to your city?  I don't.  I call them Americans or American businesses and I welcome them.  Plus, with the low unemployment rate, do you think there are 25k unemployed people in that Queens neighborhood that qualify for these jobs?  Seems like these are unreasonable expectations.  

The city I work in regularly works with and requires that major companies that build large facilities hire a % of people from the city, including typically low income, public housing residents. It’s a public/private partnership and it helps strengthen the existing neighborhoods. They also tightly regulate the number of parking spaces and encourage subsidized public transportation, bike share, etc. I know, the horror. 

What city are you speaking of?  I know that's not something Richmond typically negotiated, and I worked for largest employer in the metro area.  I'm not being sarcastic, but the general feeling was the people in the area are qualified to compete for the jobs, so there was no push to make it mandatory.  Plus, there was the feeling that bringing people in from out of town only grew the tax base, which was desirable.  This is all particularly true in an era of low unemployment.  You couldn't only rely on existing citizens.  

I wouldn’t expect a “southern” city to conduct its business in this manner but my point was that city governments do ask for things in return for tax breaks and such. And it works and it helps the community at large. They sometimes ask for internship programs or job training opportunities for local youth, etc. They don’t require all jobs be filled by locals, just that a % be. 
 

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

I think it’s telling that Amazon caved so easily and hasn’t announced that they’re going someplace else, say Camden  where they were offered $6BB in incentives and they’re investing $700MM in an electric car company. Poor Amazon. Seems also that they weren’t very transparent on who would be filling those 25K in jobs.

What do you mean by this?  Amazon said they likely wouldn't build a second site now, only Virginia.  The 25k jobs would be dispersed through existing sites.  They wanted to establish a NYC presence and were very open about it. 

I’m reading that there was some questions raised about who would actually fill the 25K in jobs and where they would come from, local or from out of state. Amazon was reportedly non-commital.

Of course you would be non-commital.  If I were hiring 25k people, I'd be hiring the 25k most qualified people for the job, from wherever in the US they came from.  This is hardly some nefarious conspiracy to import the heathens from NJ, Boston and other horrible places.  Now your bias is going to be local because then you don't have to pay relo, which is very expensive.  Plus the start dates are usually more immediate.  

So the people in the neighborhood see a huge influx of outsiders, get rent increased out of where they live and don’t get hired too? Yea, sounds about right. And what’s wrong with asking where the hires are coming from or asking for a commitment in exchange for $3BB? Free money with no strings attached for billionaires that don’t need it.

Well they are exchanging 3 billion for 20 billion, so there is that important detail.  I don't know how they are "outsiders".  Is that what you call people that move into your neighborhood or businesses that relocate to your city?  I don't.  I call them Americans or American businesses and I welcome them.  Plus, with the low unemployment rate, do you think there are 25k unemployed people in that Queens neighborhood that qualify for these jobs?  Seems like these are unreasonable expectations.  

The city I work in regularly works with and requires that major companies that build large facilities hire a % of people from the city, including typically low income, public housing residents. It’s a public/private partnership and it helps strengthen the existing neighborhoods. They also tightly regulate the number of parking spaces and encourage subsidized public transportation, bike share, etc. I know, the horror. 

What city are you speaking of?  I know that's not something Richmond typically negotiated, and I worked for largest employer in the metro area.  I'm not being sarcastic, but the general feeling was the people in the area are qualified to compete for the jobs, so there was no push to make it mandatory.  Plus, there was the feeling that bringing people in from out of town only grew the tax base, which was desirable.  This is all particularly true in an era of low unemployment.  You couldn't only rely on existing citizens.  

I wouldn’t expect a “southern” city to conduct its business in this manner but my point was that city governments do ask for things in return for tax breaks and such. And it works and it helps the community at large. They sometimes ask for internship programs or job training opportunities for local youth, etc. They don’t require all jobs be filled by locals, just that a % be. 
 

"southern"?  Check the electoral map on VA.  Also, check the color of the city of Richmond and surrounding counties.  And while you're at it, check the Congressional map of NOVA, where Amazon will be located.  NYC is an outlier on how to do business, not Virginia.  

would those complaining about lost jobs have given AOC credit for the new jobs if Amazon had come into LIC? me thinks not

mrussel1 said:

pjhawks said:

would those complaining about lost jobs have given AOC credit for the new jobs if Amazon had come into LIC? me thinks not

Was she part of the committee that pitched Amazon?

dignin said:

The idea that Amazon pulled out of a deal worth billions because of a couple tweets from a junior congresswoman is hilarious.

Maybe she has way more pull than I thought.

In other news, apparently she is paying all her staff a minimum of $52,000 a year. Leading by example.