So many are falling for the right hit parade though. Even moderates and left leaning.
lemmings
Hey there! I love that she’s speaking truth to power and as 1/435 of a body, she’s striking fear into the hearts of pasty white repubs, even though they all secretly lust. Great theater.
Truth to power? Hahhhahaha fucking joke right?
Care to say otherwise? Or hahahahaha, it’s a joke, right?
Yeah you saying truth to power is a joke. Super funny. Thanks for the laugh.
So many are falling for the right hit parade though. Even moderates and left leaning.
lemmings
How do you know you're not the lemming here?
Just curious how I"m a lemming. I'm a moderate and I think the public pressure by NYC politicians was idiotic. I articulated it in great deal with actual tax information and how the ROI case is a no brainer. So just wondering how the fuck I'm a lemming.
And @Smellyman how you are a deep thinker on the issue, when I don't recall you making any sort of thoughtful economic case on how it benefits the people of Queens and NYC by Amazon leaving. Interested in hearing your original assessment.
One of her first tweets after the back out: "Anything is possible: today was the day a group of dedicated, everyday New Yorkers & their neighbors defeated Amazon’s corporate greed, its worker exploitation, and the power of the richest man in the world." She represented that group. She gave the credit to the resistance groups, a group she helped spearhead. I view that as her taking some credit.
But even if you don't agree with that, fine, I still don't see how it is right wing propaganda. She was very outspoken against it, even after it fell through she was doubling down on the fact they left. She may have never come out and said "it fell through because of me" but she was one of the most outspoken public officials against it, and then praised the fact that they pulled out. So how is believing she had anything to do with it right wing propaganda?
All over you will see Memes with "Ocasio on job for three weeks loses 25000 jobs" so there is definitely a Right propaganda thing going on.
One of her first tweets after the back out: "Anything is possible: today was the day a group of dedicated, everyday New Yorkers & their neighbors defeated Amazon’s corporate greed, its worker exploitation, and the power of the richest man in the world." She represented that group. She gave the credit to the resistance groups, a group she helped spearhead. I view that as her taking some credit.
But even if you don't agree with that, fine, I still don't see how it is right wing propaganda. She was very outspoken against it, even after it fell through she was doubling down on the fact they left. She may have never come out and said "it fell through because of me" but she was one of the most outspoken public officials against it, and then praised the fact that they pulled out. So how is believing she had anything to do with it right wing propaganda?
All over you will see Memes with "Ocasio on job for three weeks loses 25000 jobs" so there is definitely a Right propaganda thing going on.
It is right wing propaganda, but the left would do the same. She opened herself up to it. Maybe she's fine with it, but no one should be surprised by it either. As much as the left wants to make Steve King or Roy Moore the poster child for the right, the same is true for AOC.
I think it’s telling that Amazon caved so easily and hasn’t announced that they’re going someplace else, say Camden where they were offered $6BB in incentives and they’re investing $700MM in an electric car company. Poor Amazon. Seems also that they weren’t very transparent on who would be filling those 25K in jobs.
I think it’s telling that Amazon caved so easily and hasn’t announced that they’re going someplace else, say Camden where they were offered $6BB in incentives and they’re investing $700MM in an electric car company. Poor Amazon. Seems also that they weren’t very transparent on who would be filling those 25K in jobs.
What do you mean by this? Amazon said they likely wouldn't build a second site now, only Virginia. The 25k jobs would be dispersed through existing sites. They wanted to establish a NYC presence and were very open about it.
One of her first tweets after the back out: "Anything is possible: today was the day a group of dedicated, everyday New Yorkers & their neighbors defeated Amazon’s corporate greed, its worker exploitation, and the power of the richest man in the world." She represented that group. She gave the credit to the resistance groups, a group she helped spearhead. I view that as her taking some credit.
But even if you don't agree with that, fine, I still don't see how it is right wing propaganda. She was very outspoken against it, even after it fell through she was doubling down on the fact they left. She may have never come out and said "it fell through because of me" but she was one of the most outspoken public officials against it, and then praised the fact that they pulled out. So how is believing she had anything to do with it right wing propaganda?
All over you will see Memes with "Ocasio on job for three weeks loses 25000 jobs" so there is definitely a Right propaganda thing going on.
that doesn't make what mace or mrussel are saying is incorrect.
I think it’s telling that Amazon caved so easily and hasn’t announced that they’re going someplace else, say Camden where they were offered $6BB in incentives and they’re investing $700MM in an electric car company. Poor Amazon. Seems also that they weren’t very transparent on who would be filling those 25K in jobs.
What do you mean by this? Amazon said they likely wouldn't build a second site now, only Virginia. The 25k jobs would be dispersed through existing sites. They wanted to establish a NYC presence and were very open about it.
I’m reading that there was some questions raised about who would actually fill the 25K in jobs and where they would come from, local or from out of state. Amazon was reportedly non-commital.
I think it’s telling that Amazon caved so easily and hasn’t announced that they’re going someplace else, say Camden where they were offered $6BB in incentives and they’re investing $700MM in an electric car company. Poor Amazon. Seems also that they weren’t very transparent on who would be filling those 25K in jobs.
What do you mean by this? Amazon said they likely wouldn't build a second site now, only Virginia. The 25k jobs would be dispersed through existing sites. They wanted to establish a NYC presence and were very open about it.
I’m reading that there was some questions raised about who would actually fill the 25K in jobs and where they would come from, local or from out of state. Amazon was reportedly non-commital.
Who were they non-commital to, politicians in New York? Since when does a private company in the land of the free have to answer to politicians who they hire. That 3 billion would have filled NY coffers with far more than 3 billion over the years.
I think it’s telling that Amazon caved so easily and hasn’t announced that they’re going someplace else, say Camden where they were offered $6BB in incentives and they’re investing $700MM in an electric car company. Poor Amazon. Seems also that they weren’t very transparent on who would be filling those 25K in jobs.
What do you mean by this? Amazon said they likely wouldn't build a second site now, only Virginia. The 25k jobs would be dispersed through existing sites. They wanted to establish a NYC presence and were very open about it.
I’m reading that there was some questions raised about who would actually fill the 25K in jobs and where they would come from, local or from out of state. Amazon was reportedly non-commital.
Who were they non-commital to, politicians in New York? Since when does a private company in the land of the free have to answer to politicians who they hire. That 3 billion would have filled NY coffers with far more than 3 billion over the years.
Yeah I don’t get this at all. They know exactly where they are going to fill 25,000 jobs from? I don’t think so.
I think it’s telling that Amazon caved so easily and hasn’t announced that they’re going someplace else, say Camden where they were offered $6BB in incentives and they’re investing $700MM in an electric car company. Poor Amazon. Seems also that they weren’t very transparent on who would be filling those 25K in jobs.
What do you mean by this? Amazon said they likely wouldn't build a second site now, only Virginia. The 25k jobs would be dispersed through existing sites. They wanted to establish a NYC presence and were very open about it.
I’m reading that there was some questions raised about who would actually fill the 25K in jobs and where they would come from, local or from out of state. Amazon was reportedly non-commital.
Of course you would be non-commital. If I were hiring 25k people, I'd be hiring the 25k most qualified people for the job, from wherever in the US they came from. This is hardly some nefarious conspiracy to import the heathens from NJ, Boston and other horrible places. Now your bias is going to be local because then you don't have to pay relo, which is very expensive. Plus the start dates are usually more immediate.
I think it’s telling that Amazon caved so easily and hasn’t announced that they’re going someplace else, say Camden where they were offered $6BB in incentives and they’re investing $700MM in an electric car company. Poor Amazon. Seems also that they weren’t very transparent on who would be filling those 25K in jobs.
What do you mean by this? Amazon said they likely wouldn't build a second site now, only Virginia. The 25k jobs would be dispersed through existing sites. They wanted to establish a NYC presence and were very open about it.
I’m reading that there was some questions raised about who would actually fill the 25K in jobs and where they would come from, local or from out of state. Amazon was reportedly non-commital.
Of course you would be non-commital. If I were hiring 25k people, I'd be hiring the 25k most qualified people for the job, from wherever in the US they came from. This is hardly some nefarious conspiracy to import the heathens from NJ, Boston and other horrible places. Now your bias is going to be local because then you don't have to pay relo, which is very expensive. Plus the start dates are usually more immediate.
So the people in the neighborhood see a huge influx of outsiders, get rent increased out of where they live and don’t get hired too? Yea, sounds about right. And what’s wrong with asking where the hires are coming from or asking for a commitment in exchange for $3BB? Free money with no strings attached for billionaires that don’t need it.
I've talked about this quite a bit but if Amazon was going to build 10Billion dollars worth of buildings that would create a ton of jobs and tax revenue.
For example the WTC or WT one costed almost 4 billion, Giants stadium cost 2 billion, Yankee stadium 2 billion.
So there would be a whole lot of construction jobs going on for a long time.
That is a lot of tax dollars going on there.
That being said though the influx of higher wage jobs, even if there were only 5000 of them, would surely effect the immediate areas.
I think it’s telling that Amazon caved so easily and hasn’t announced that they’re going someplace else, say Camden where they were offered $6BB in incentives and they’re investing $700MM in an electric car company. Poor Amazon. Seems also that they weren’t very transparent on who would be filling those 25K in jobs.
What do you mean by this? Amazon said they likely wouldn't build a second site now, only Virginia. The 25k jobs would be dispersed through existing sites. They wanted to establish a NYC presence and were very open about it.
I’m reading that there was some questions raised about who would actually fill the 25K in jobs and where they would come from, local or from out of state. Amazon was reportedly non-commital.
Of course you would be non-commital. If I were hiring 25k people, I'd be hiring the 25k most qualified people for the job, from wherever in the US they came from. This is hardly some nefarious conspiracy to import the heathens from NJ, Boston and other horrible places. Now your bias is going to be local because then you don't have to pay relo, which is very expensive. Plus the start dates are usually more immediate.
So the people in the neighborhood see a huge influx of outsiders, get rent increased out of where they live and don’t get hired too? Yea, sounds about right. And what’s wrong with asking where the hires are coming from or asking for a commitment in exchange for $3BB? Free money with no strings attached for billionaires that don’t need it.
Well they are exchanging 3 billion for 20 billion, so there is that important detail. I don't know how they are "outsiders". Is that what you call people that move into your neighborhood or businesses that relocate to your city? I don't. I call them Americans or American businesses and I welcome them. Plus, with the low unemployment rate, do you think there are 25k unemployed people in that Queens neighborhood that qualify for these jobs? Seems like these are unreasonable expectations.
One of her first tweets after the back out: "Anything is possible: today was the day a group of dedicated, everyday New Yorkers & their neighbors defeated Amazon’s corporate greed, its worker exploitation, and the power of the richest man in the world." She represented that group. She gave the credit to the resistance groups, a group she helped spearhead. I view that as her taking some credit.
But even if you don't agree with that, fine, I still don't see how it is right wing propaganda. She was very outspoken against it, even after it fell through she was doubling down on the fact they left. She may have never come out and said "it fell through because of me" but she was one of the most outspoken public officials against it, and then praised the fact that they pulled out. So how is believing she had anything to do with it right wing propaganda?
All over you will see Memes with "Ocasio on job for three weeks loses 25000 jobs" so there is definitely a Right propaganda thing going on.
Yes I agree with that. But my comment was in response to the fact that if you believe AOC had anything to do with the Amazon deal then you must have fallen victim to the right propaganda. My response wasn't that the right hasn't tried to make this political, its that AOC was heavily involved in protesting this and celbrated heavily when it failed, and in my opinion taking credit for it. So the fact you associate AOC with the Amazon deal in itself is not propaganda, she has fully taken on that role.
One of her first tweets after the back out: "Anything is possible: today was the day a group of dedicated, everyday New Yorkers & their neighbors defeated Amazon’s corporate greed, its worker exploitation, and the power of the richest man in the world." She represented that group. She gave the credit to the resistance groups, a group she helped spearhead. I view that as her taking some credit.
But even if you don't agree with that, fine, I still don't see how it is right wing propaganda. She was very outspoken against it, even after it fell through she was doubling down on the fact they left. She may have never come out and said "it fell through because of me" but she was one of the most outspoken public officials against it, and then praised the fact that they pulled out. So how is believing she had anything to do with it right wing propaganda?
All over you will see Memes with "Ocasio on job for three weeks loses 25000 jobs" so there is definitely a Right propaganda thing going on.
Yes I agree with that. But my comment was in response to the fact that if you believe AOC had anything to do with the Amazon deal then you must have fallen victim to the right propaganda. My response wasn't that the right hasn't tried to make this political, its that AOC was heavily involved in protesting this and celbrated heavily when it failed, and in my opinion taking credit for it. So the fact you associate AOC with the Amazon deal in itself is not propaganda, she has fully taken on that role.
OK got it.
I've mentioned the two people directly responsible for Amazon not coming to NY and AOC isn't one of them.
She took a little credit for it but I haven't seen where she would take sole responsibility for it though.
I think it’s telling that Amazon caved so easily and hasn’t announced that they’re going someplace else, say Camden where they were offered $6BB in incentives and they’re investing $700MM in an electric car company. Poor Amazon. Seems also that they weren’t very transparent on who would be filling those 25K in jobs.
What do you mean by this? Amazon said they likely wouldn't build a second site now, only Virginia. The 25k jobs would be dispersed through existing sites. They wanted to establish a NYC presence and were very open about it.
I’m reading that there was some questions raised about who would actually fill the 25K in jobs and where they would come from, local or from out of state. Amazon was reportedly non-commital.
Of course you would be non-commital. If I were hiring 25k people, I'd be hiring the 25k most qualified people for the job, from wherever in the US they came from. This is hardly some nefarious conspiracy to import the heathens from NJ, Boston and other horrible places. Now your bias is going to be local because then you don't have to pay relo, which is very expensive. Plus the start dates are usually more immediate.
So the people in the neighborhood see a huge influx of outsiders, get rent increased out of where they live and don’t get hired too? Yea, sounds about right. And what’s wrong with asking where the hires are coming from or asking for a commitment in exchange for $3BB? Free money with no strings attached for billionaires that don’t need it.
Outsiders does seem like an interesting term for them. Perhaps they should build a wall around the community to keep the outsiders out?
You know, having those people move on creates needs for more stores, restaurants, etc. They would be spending $ in that community.
i do understand their is a concern about changing the neighborhood, but I just think the benefit outweighs the risk there.
I think it’s telling that Amazon caved so easily and hasn’t announced that they’re going someplace else, say Camden where they were offered $6BB in incentives and they’re investing $700MM in an electric car company. Poor Amazon. Seems also that they weren’t very transparent on who would be filling those 25K in jobs.
What do you mean by this? Amazon said they likely wouldn't build a second site now, only Virginia. The 25k jobs would be dispersed through existing sites. They wanted to establish a NYC presence and were very open about it.
I’m reading that there was some questions raised about who would actually fill the 25K in jobs and where they would come from, local or from out of state. Amazon was reportedly non-commital.
Of course you would be non-commital. If I were hiring 25k people, I'd be hiring the 25k most qualified people for the job, from wherever in the US they came from. This is hardly some nefarious conspiracy to import the heathens from NJ, Boston and other horrible places. Now your bias is going to be local because then you don't have to pay relo, which is very expensive. Plus the start dates are usually more immediate.
So the people in the neighborhood see a huge influx of outsiders, get rent increased out of where they live and don’t get hired too? Yea, sounds about right. And what’s wrong with asking where the hires are coming from or asking for a commitment in exchange for $3BB? Free money with no strings attached for billionaires that don’t need it.
Well they are exchanging 3 billion for 20 billion, so there is that important detail. I don't know how they are "outsiders". Is that what you call people that move into your neighborhood or businesses that relocate to your city? I don't. I call them Americans or American businesses and I welcome them. Plus, with the low unemployment rate, do you think there are 25k unemployed people in that Queens neighborhood that qualify for these jobs? Seems like these are unreasonable expectations.
The city I work in regularly works with and requires that major companies that build large facilities hire a % of people from the city, including typically low income, public housing residents. It’s a public/private partnership and it helps strengthen the existing neighborhoods. They also tightly regulate the number of parking spaces and encourage subsidized public transportation, bike share, etc. I know, the horror.
I think it’s telling that Amazon caved so easily and hasn’t announced that they’re going someplace else, say Camden where they were offered $6BB in incentives and they’re investing $700MM in an electric car company. Poor Amazon. Seems also that they weren’t very transparent on who would be filling those 25K in jobs.
What do you mean by this? Amazon said they likely wouldn't build a second site now, only Virginia. The 25k jobs would be dispersed through existing sites. They wanted to establish a NYC presence and were very open about it.
I’m reading that there was some questions raised about who would actually fill the 25K in jobs and where they would come from, local or from out of state. Amazon was reportedly non-commital.
Of course you would be non-commital. If I were hiring 25k people, I'd be hiring the 25k most qualified people for the job, from wherever in the US they came from. This is hardly some nefarious conspiracy to import the heathens from NJ, Boston and other horrible places. Now your bias is going to be local because then you don't have to pay relo, which is very expensive. Plus the start dates are usually more immediate.
So the people in the neighborhood see a huge influx of outsiders, get rent increased out of where they live and don’t get hired too? Yea, sounds about right. And what’s wrong with asking where the hires are coming from or asking for a commitment in exchange for $3BB? Free money with no strings attached for billionaires that don’t need it.
Well they are exchanging 3 billion for 20 billion, so there is that important detail. I don't know how they are "outsiders". Is that what you call people that move into your neighborhood or businesses that relocate to your city? I don't. I call them Americans or American businesses and I welcome them. Plus, with the low unemployment rate, do you think there are 25k unemployed people in that Queens neighborhood that qualify for these jobs? Seems like these are unreasonable expectations.
The city I work in regularly works with and requires that major companies that build large facilities hire a % of people from the city, including typically low income, public housing residents. It’s a public/private partnership and it helps strengthen the existing neighborhoods. They also tightly regulate the number of parking spaces and encourage subsidized public transportation, bike share, etc. I know, the horror.
I think it’s telling that Amazon caved so easily and hasn’t announced that they’re going someplace else, say Camden where they were offered $6BB in incentives and they’re investing $700MM in an electric car company. Poor Amazon. Seems also that they weren’t very transparent on who would be filling those 25K in jobs.
What do you mean by this? Amazon said they likely wouldn't build a second site now, only Virginia. The 25k jobs would be dispersed through existing sites. They wanted to establish a NYC presence and were very open about it.
I’m reading that there was some questions raised about who would actually fill the 25K in jobs and where they would come from, local or from out of state. Amazon was reportedly non-commital.
Of course you would be non-commital. If I were hiring 25k people, I'd be hiring the 25k most qualified people for the job, from wherever in the US they came from. This is hardly some nefarious conspiracy to import the heathens from NJ, Boston and other horrible places. Now your bias is going to be local because then you don't have to pay relo, which is very expensive. Plus the start dates are usually more immediate.
So the people in the neighborhood see a huge influx of outsiders, get rent increased out of where they live and don’t get hired too? Yea, sounds about right. And what’s wrong with asking where the hires are coming from or asking for a commitment in exchange for $3BB? Free money with no strings attached for billionaires that don’t need it.
Well they are exchanging 3 billion for 20 billion, so there is that important detail. I don't know how they are "outsiders". Is that what you call people that move into your neighborhood or businesses that relocate to your city? I don't. I call them Americans or American businesses and I welcome them. Plus, with the low unemployment rate, do you think there are 25k unemployed people in that Queens neighborhood that qualify for these jobs? Seems like these are unreasonable expectations.
The city I work in regularly works with and requires that major companies that build large facilities hire a % of people from the city, including typically low income, public housing residents. It’s a public/private partnership and it helps strengthen the existing neighborhoods. They also tightly regulate the number of parking spaces and encourage subsidized public transportation, bike share, etc. I know, the horror.
so, a "Halifax First" policy? LOL
No, not really,
When we have done construction projects in other states or countries we had a requirement to hire local workers and a percentage to buy local products.
I think it’s telling that Amazon caved so easily and hasn’t announced that they’re going someplace else, say Camden where they were offered $6BB in incentives and they’re investing $700MM in an electric car company. Poor Amazon. Seems also that they weren’t very transparent on who would be filling those 25K in jobs.
What do you mean by this? Amazon said they likely wouldn't build a second site now, only Virginia. The 25k jobs would be dispersed through existing sites. They wanted to establish a NYC presence and were very open about it.
I’m reading that there was some questions raised about who would actually fill the 25K in jobs and where they would come from, local or from out of state. Amazon was reportedly non-commital.
Of course you would be non-commital. If I were hiring 25k people, I'd be hiring the 25k most qualified people for the job, from wherever in the US they came from. This is hardly some nefarious conspiracy to import the heathens from NJ, Boston and other horrible places. Now your bias is going to be local because then you don't have to pay relo, which is very expensive. Plus the start dates are usually more immediate.
So the people in the neighborhood see a huge influx of outsiders, get rent increased out of where they live and don’t get hired too? Yea, sounds about right. And what’s wrong with asking where the hires are coming from or asking for a commitment in exchange for $3BB? Free money with no strings attached for billionaires that don’t need it.
Well they are exchanging 3 billion for 20 billion, so there is that important detail. I don't know how they are "outsiders". Is that what you call people that move into your neighborhood or businesses that relocate to your city? I don't. I call them Americans or American businesses and I welcome them. Plus, with the low unemployment rate, do you think there are 25k unemployed people in that Queens neighborhood that qualify for these jobs? Seems like these are unreasonable expectations.
The city I work in regularly works with and requires that major companies that build large facilities hire a % of people from the city, including typically low income, public housing residents. It’s a public/private partnership and it helps strengthen the existing neighborhoods. They also tightly regulate the number of parking spaces and encourage subsidized public transportation, bike share, etc. I know, the horror.
so, a "Halifax First" policy? LOL
No, not really,
When we have done construction projects in other states or countries we had a requirement to hire local workers and a percentage to buy local products.
It really is a thing.
That's an American thing. A few years back in the planning process to build a new bridge over the Detroit River, that Canada is paying for because the clown Obama would not anti-up the US cost of the bridge, and the clowns in the Obama admin wanted all kinds of guarantee's about us buying US Steel, using Us Workers and other bullshit. In the end, our government caved, when in fact Obama should have been told to go piss off or pay up. And even today, I would still cancel the project...and ban all US trucks with a bill of ladings for the US destinations only. US trucking companies use the 401/403 as a short cut between New York State and Michigan...and that needs to stop.
I think it’s telling that Amazon caved so easily and hasn’t announced that they’re going someplace else, say Camden where they were offered $6BB in incentives and they’re investing $700MM in an electric car company. Poor Amazon. Seems also that they weren’t very transparent on who would be filling those 25K in jobs.
What do you mean by this? Amazon said they likely wouldn't build a second site now, only Virginia. The 25k jobs would be dispersed through existing sites. They wanted to establish a NYC presence and were very open about it.
I’m reading that there was some questions raised about who would actually fill the 25K in jobs and where they would come from, local or from out of state. Amazon was reportedly non-commital.
Of course you would be non-commital. If I were hiring 25k people, I'd be hiring the 25k most qualified people for the job, from wherever in the US they came from. This is hardly some nefarious conspiracy to import the heathens from NJ, Boston and other horrible places. Now your bias is going to be local because then you don't have to pay relo, which is very expensive. Plus the start dates are usually more immediate.
So the people in the neighborhood see a huge influx of outsiders, get rent increased out of where they live and don’t get hired too? Yea, sounds about right. And what’s wrong with asking where the hires are coming from or asking for a commitment in exchange for $3BB? Free money with no strings attached for billionaires that don’t need it.
Well they are exchanging 3 billion for 20 billion, so there is that important detail. I don't know how they are "outsiders". Is that what you call people that move into your neighborhood or businesses that relocate to your city? I don't. I call them Americans or American businesses and I welcome them. Plus, with the low unemployment rate, do you think there are 25k unemployed people in that Queens neighborhood that qualify for these jobs? Seems like these are unreasonable expectations.
The city I work in regularly works with and requires that major companies that build large facilities hire a % of people from the city, including typically low income, public housing residents. It’s a public/private partnership and it helps strengthen the existing neighborhoods. They also tightly regulate the number of parking spaces and encourage subsidized public transportation, bike share, etc. I know, the horror.
What city are you speaking of? I know that's not something Richmond typically negotiated, and I worked for largest employer in the metro area. I'm not being sarcastic, but the general feeling was the people in the area are qualified to compete for the jobs, so there was no push to make it mandatory. Plus, there was the feeling that bringing people in from out of town only grew the tax base, which was desirable. This is all particularly true in an era of low unemployment. You couldn't only rely on existing citizens.
I think it’s telling that Amazon caved so easily and hasn’t announced that they’re going someplace else, say Camden where they were offered $6BB in incentives and they’re investing $700MM in an electric car company. Poor Amazon. Seems also that they weren’t very transparent on who would be filling those 25K in jobs.
What do you mean by this? Amazon said they likely wouldn't build a second site now, only Virginia. The 25k jobs would be dispersed through existing sites. They wanted to establish a NYC presence and were very open about it.
I’m reading that there was some questions raised about who would actually fill the 25K in jobs and where they would come from, local or from out of state. Amazon was reportedly non-commital.
Of course you would be non-commital. If I were hiring 25k people, I'd be hiring the 25k most qualified people for the job, from wherever in the US they came from. This is hardly some nefarious conspiracy to import the heathens from NJ, Boston and other horrible places. Now your bias is going to be local because then you don't have to pay relo, which is very expensive. Plus the start dates are usually more immediate.
So the people in the neighborhood see a huge influx of outsiders, get rent increased out of where they live and don’t get hired too? Yea, sounds about right. And what’s wrong with asking where the hires are coming from or asking for a commitment in exchange for $3BB? Free money with no strings attached for billionaires that don’t need it.
Well they are exchanging 3 billion for 20 billion, so there is that important detail. I don't know how they are "outsiders". Is that what you call people that move into your neighborhood or businesses that relocate to your city? I don't. I call them Americans or American businesses and I welcome them. Plus, with the low unemployment rate, do you think there are 25k unemployed people in that Queens neighborhood that qualify for these jobs? Seems like these are unreasonable expectations.
The city I work in regularly works with and requires that major companies that build large facilities hire a % of people from the city, including typically low income, public housing residents. It’s a public/private partnership and it helps strengthen the existing neighborhoods. They also tightly regulate the number of parking spaces and encourage subsidized public transportation, bike share, etc. I know, the horror.
so, a "Halifax First" policy? LOL
No, not really,
When we have done construction projects in other states or countries we had a requirement to hire local workers and a percentage to buy local products.
I think it’s telling that Amazon caved so easily and hasn’t announced that they’re going someplace else, say Camden where they were offered $6BB in incentives and they’re investing $700MM in an electric car company. Poor Amazon. Seems also that they weren’t very transparent on who would be filling those 25K in jobs.
What do you mean by this? Amazon said they likely wouldn't build a second site now, only Virginia. The 25k jobs would be dispersed through existing sites. They wanted to establish a NYC presence and were very open about it.
I’m reading that there was some questions raised about who would actually fill the 25K in jobs and where they would come from, local or from out of state. Amazon was reportedly non-commital.
Of course you would be non-commital. If I were hiring 25k people, I'd be hiring the 25k most qualified people for the job, from wherever in the US they came from. This is hardly some nefarious conspiracy to import the heathens from NJ, Boston and other horrible places. Now your bias is going to be local because then you don't have to pay relo, which is very expensive. Plus the start dates are usually more immediate.
So the people in the neighborhood see a huge influx of outsiders, get rent increased out of where they live and don’t get hired too? Yea, sounds about right. And what’s wrong with asking where the hires are coming from or asking for a commitment in exchange for $3BB? Free money with no strings attached for billionaires that don’t need it.
Well they are exchanging 3 billion for 20 billion, so there is that important detail. I don't know how they are "outsiders". Is that what you call people that move into your neighborhood or businesses that relocate to your city? I don't. I call them Americans or American businesses and I welcome them. Plus, with the low unemployment rate, do you think there are 25k unemployed people in that Queens neighborhood that qualify for these jobs? Seems like these are unreasonable expectations.
The city I work in regularly works with and requires that major companies that build large facilities hire a % of people from the city, including typically low income, public housing residents. It’s a public/private partnership and it helps strengthen the existing neighborhoods. They also tightly regulate the number of parking spaces and encourage subsidized public transportation, bike share, etc. I know, the horror.
so, a "Halifax First" policy? LOL
No, not really,
When we have done construction projects in other states or countries we had a requirement to hire local workers and a percentage to buy local products.
It really is a thing.
That's an American thing. A few years back in the planning process to build a new bridge over the Detroit River, that Canada is paying for because the clown Obama would not anti-up the US cost of the bridge, and the clowns in the Obama admin wanted all kinds of guarantee's about us buying US Steel, using Us Workers and other bullshit. In the end, our government caved, when in fact Obama should have been told to go piss off or pay up. And even today, I would still cancel the project...and ban all US trucks with a bill of ladings for the US destinations only. US trucking companies use the 401/403 as a short cut between New York State and Michigan...and that needs to stop.
I did mention other countries. It happens there too.
I think it’s telling that Amazon caved so easily and hasn’t announced that they’re going someplace else, say Camden where they were offered $6BB in incentives and they’re investing $700MM in an electric car company. Poor Amazon. Seems also that they weren’t very transparent on who would be filling those 25K in jobs.
What do you mean by this? Amazon said they likely wouldn't build a second site now, only Virginia. The 25k jobs would be dispersed through existing sites. They wanted to establish a NYC presence and were very open about it.
I’m reading that there was some questions raised about who would actually fill the 25K in jobs and where they would come from, local or from out of state. Amazon was reportedly non-commital.
Of course you would be non-commital. If I were hiring 25k people, I'd be hiring the 25k most qualified people for the job, from wherever in the US they came from. This is hardly some nefarious conspiracy to import the heathens from NJ, Boston and other horrible places. Now your bias is going to be local because then you don't have to pay relo, which is very expensive. Plus the start dates are usually more immediate.
So the people in the neighborhood see a huge influx of outsiders, get rent increased out of where they live and don’t get hired too? Yea, sounds about right. And what’s wrong with asking where the hires are coming from or asking for a commitment in exchange for $3BB? Free money with no strings attached for billionaires that don’t need it.
Well they are exchanging 3 billion for 20 billion, so there is that important detail. I don't know how they are "outsiders". Is that what you call people that move into your neighborhood or businesses that relocate to your city? I don't. I call them Americans or American businesses and I welcome them. Plus, with the low unemployment rate, do you think there are 25k unemployed people in that Queens neighborhood that qualify for these jobs? Seems like these are unreasonable expectations.
The city I work in regularly works with and requires that major companies that build large facilities hire a % of people from the city, including typically low income, public housing residents. It’s a public/private partnership and it helps strengthen the existing neighborhoods. They also tightly regulate the number of parking spaces and encourage subsidized public transportation, bike share, etc. I know, the horror.
so, a "Halifax First" policy? LOL
No, not really,
When we have done construction projects in other states or countries we had a requirement to hire local workers and a percentage to buy local products.
It really is a thing.
I know. it was a joke. hence the "LOL"
Thought you were joking about referencing it as a Halifax thing...
I think it’s telling that Amazon caved so easily and hasn’t announced that they’re going someplace else, say Camden where they were offered $6BB in incentives and they’re investing $700MM in an electric car company. Poor Amazon. Seems also that they weren’t very transparent on who would be filling those 25K in jobs.
What do you mean by this? Amazon said they likely wouldn't build a second site now, only Virginia. The 25k jobs would be dispersed through existing sites. They wanted to establish a NYC presence and were very open about it.
I’m reading that there was some questions raised about who would actually fill the 25K in jobs and where they would come from, local or from out of state. Amazon was reportedly non-commital.
Of course you would be non-commital. If I were hiring 25k people, I'd be hiring the 25k most qualified people for the job, from wherever in the US they came from. This is hardly some nefarious conspiracy to import the heathens from NJ, Boston and other horrible places. Now your bias is going to be local because then you don't have to pay relo, which is very expensive. Plus the start dates are usually more immediate.
So the people in the neighborhood see a huge influx of outsiders, get rent increased out of where they live and don’t get hired too? Yea, sounds about right. And what’s wrong with asking where the hires are coming from or asking for a commitment in exchange for $3BB? Free money with no strings attached for billionaires that don’t need it.
Well they are exchanging 3 billion for 20 billion, so there is that important detail. I don't know how they are "outsiders". Is that what you call people that move into your neighborhood or businesses that relocate to your city? I don't. I call them Americans or American businesses and I welcome them. Plus, with the low unemployment rate, do you think there are 25k unemployed people in that Queens neighborhood that qualify for these jobs? Seems like these are unreasonable expectations.
The city I work in regularly works with and requires that major companies that build large facilities hire a % of people from the city, including typically low income, public housing residents. It’s a public/private partnership and it helps strengthen the existing neighborhoods. They also tightly regulate the number of parking spaces and encourage subsidized public transportation, bike share, etc. I know, the horror.
What city are you speaking of? I know that's not something Richmond typically negotiated, and I worked for largest employer in the metro area. I'm not being sarcastic, but the general feeling was the people in the area are qualified to compete for the jobs, so there was no push to make it mandatory. Plus, there was the feeling that bringing people in from out of town only grew the tax base, which was desirable. This is all particularly true in an era of low unemployment. You couldn't only rely on existing citizens.
I wouldn’t expect a “southern” city to conduct its business in this manner but my point was that city governments do ask for things in return for tax breaks and such. And it works and it helps the community at large. They sometimes ask for internship programs or job training opportunities for local youth, etc. They don’t require all jobs be filled by locals, just that a % be.
I think it’s telling that Amazon caved so easily and hasn’t announced that they’re going someplace else, say Camden where they were offered $6BB in incentives and they’re investing $700MM in an electric car company. Poor Amazon. Seems also that they weren’t very transparent on who would be filling those 25K in jobs.
What do you mean by this? Amazon said they likely wouldn't build a second site now, only Virginia. The 25k jobs would be dispersed through existing sites. They wanted to establish a NYC presence and were very open about it.
I’m reading that there was some questions raised about who would actually fill the 25K in jobs and where they would come from, local or from out of state. Amazon was reportedly non-commital.
Of course you would be non-commital. If I were hiring 25k people, I'd be hiring the 25k most qualified people for the job, from wherever in the US they came from. This is hardly some nefarious conspiracy to import the heathens from NJ, Boston and other horrible places. Now your bias is going to be local because then you don't have to pay relo, which is very expensive. Plus the start dates are usually more immediate.
So the people in the neighborhood see a huge influx of outsiders, get rent increased out of where they live and don’t get hired too? Yea, sounds about right. And what’s wrong with asking where the hires are coming from or asking for a commitment in exchange for $3BB? Free money with no strings attached for billionaires that don’t need it.
Well they are exchanging 3 billion for 20 billion, so there is that important detail. I don't know how they are "outsiders". Is that what you call people that move into your neighborhood or businesses that relocate to your city? I don't. I call them Americans or American businesses and I welcome them. Plus, with the low unemployment rate, do you think there are 25k unemployed people in that Queens neighborhood that qualify for these jobs? Seems like these are unreasonable expectations.
The city I work in regularly works with and requires that major companies that build large facilities hire a % of people from the city, including typically low income, public housing residents. It’s a public/private partnership and it helps strengthen the existing neighborhoods. They also tightly regulate the number of parking spaces and encourage subsidized public transportation, bike share, etc. I know, the horror.
What city are you speaking of? I know that's not something Richmond typically negotiated, and I worked for largest employer in the metro area. I'm not being sarcastic, but the general feeling was the people in the area are qualified to compete for the jobs, so there was no push to make it mandatory. Plus, there was the feeling that bringing people in from out of town only grew the tax base, which was desirable. This is all particularly true in an era of low unemployment. You couldn't only rely on existing citizens.
I wouldn’t expect a “southern” city to conduct its business in this manner but my point was that city governments do ask for things in return for tax breaks and such. And it works and it helps the community at large. They sometimes ask for internship programs or job training opportunities for local youth, etc. They don’t require all jobs be filled by locals, just that a % be.
"southern"? Check the electoral map on VA. Also, check the color of the city of Richmond and surrounding counties. And while you're at it, check the Congressional map of NOVA, where Amazon will be located. NYC is an outlier on how to do business, not Virginia.
I think it’s telling that Amazon caved so easily and hasn’t announced that they’re going someplace else, say Camden where they were offered $6BB in incentives and they’re investing $700MM in an electric car company. Poor Amazon. Seems also that they weren’t very transparent on who would be filling those 25K in jobs.
What do you mean by this? Amazon said they likely wouldn't build a second site now, only Virginia. The 25k jobs would be dispersed through existing sites. They wanted to establish a NYC presence and were very open about it.
I’m reading that there was some questions raised about who would actually fill the 25K in jobs and where they would come from, local or from out of state. Amazon was reportedly non-commital.
Of course you would be non-commital. If I were hiring 25k people, I'd be hiring the 25k most qualified people for the job, from wherever in the US they came from. This is hardly some nefarious conspiracy to import the heathens from NJ, Boston and other horrible places. Now your bias is going to be local because then you don't have to pay relo, which is very expensive. Plus the start dates are usually more immediate.
So the people in the neighborhood see a huge influx of outsiders, get rent increased out of where they live and don’t get hired too? Yea, sounds about right. And what’s wrong with asking where the hires are coming from or asking for a commitment in exchange for $3BB? Free money with no strings attached for billionaires that don’t need it.
Well they are exchanging 3 billion for 20 billion, so there is that important detail. I don't know how they are "outsiders". Is that what you call people that move into your neighborhood or businesses that relocate to your city? I don't. I call them Americans or American businesses and I welcome them. Plus, with the low unemployment rate, do you think there are 25k unemployed people in that Queens neighborhood that qualify for these jobs? Seems like these are unreasonable expectations.
The city I work in regularly works with and requires that major companies that build large facilities hire a % of people from the city, including typically low income, public housing residents. It’s a public/private partnership and it helps strengthen the existing neighborhoods. They also tightly regulate the number of parking spaces and encourage subsidized public transportation, bike share, etc. I know, the horror.
What city are you speaking of? I know that's not something Richmond typically negotiated, and I worked for largest employer in the metro area. I'm not being sarcastic, but the general feeling was the people in the area are qualified to compete for the jobs, so there was no push to make it mandatory. Plus, there was the feeling that bringing people in from out of town only grew the tax base, which was desirable. This is all particularly true in an era of low unemployment. You couldn't only rely on existing citizens.
I wouldn’t expect a “southern” city to conduct its business in this manner but my point was that city governments do ask for things in return for tax breaks and such. And it works and it helps the community at large. They sometimes ask for internship programs or job training opportunities for local youth, etc. They don’t require all jobs be filled by locals, just that a % be.
"southern"? Check the electoral map on VA. Also, check the color of the city of Richmond and surrounding counties. And while you're at it, check the Congressional map of NOVA, where Amazon will be located. NYC is an outlier on how to do business, not Virginia.
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For example the WTC or WT one costed almost 4 billion, Giants stadium cost 2 billion, Yankee stadium 2 billion.
So there would be a whole lot of construction jobs going on for a long time.
That is a lot of tax dollars going on there.
That being said though the influx of higher wage jobs, even if there were only 5000 of them, would surely effect the immediate areas.
My response wasn't that the right hasn't tried to make this political, its that AOC was heavily involved in protesting this and celbrated heavily when it failed, and in my opinion taking credit for it. So the fact you associate AOC with the Amazon deal in itself is not propaganda, she has fully taken on that role.
I've mentioned the two people directly responsible for Amazon not coming to NY and AOC isn't one of them.
She took a little credit for it but I haven't seen where she would take sole responsibility for it though.
You know, having those people move on creates needs for more stores, restaurants, etc. They would be spending $ in that community.
i do understand their is a concern about changing the neighborhood, but I just think the benefit outweighs the risk there.
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When we have done construction projects in other states or countries we had a requirement to hire local workers and a percentage to buy local products.
It really is a thing.
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