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  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,530
    I guess the goal is to beat Stanton's deal...

    And holy shit how did I not see this before?

    https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/stantmi03.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-
    "2021 Miami Marlins to pay $30m to New York Yankees if Stanton does not opt out following 2020 season"
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,026
    Jearlpam0925 said:
    I guess the goal is to beat Stanton's deal...

    And holy shit how did I not see this before?

    https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/stantmi03.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-
    "2021 Miami Marlins to pay $30m to New York Yankees if Stanton does not opt out following 2020 season"
    Yep.  Highway robbery.  For luxury tax purposes, Stanton is a $23 mil player for the Yanks, I believe.
  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,994
    I don't even really want Harper. But I do want this to be all over and know what the roster is going to look like. 
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  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,811
    Might be better served to try and get a 2-3 year with Dallas Keuchel and hunt for another big arm for the Bully (a guy like Sipp, Clippard, or Norris that are sitting out there...).

    These guys can all pitch but the bottom 4 are not names you necessarily lock in. 

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  • eeriepadave
    eeriepadave West Chester, PA Posts: 43,190
    If Phills sign Bryce it'll be pretty much just like the Nats signing Werth about 10 years ago. So a little role reversal.
    8/28/98- Camden, NJ
    10/31/09- Philly
    5/21/10- NYC
    9/2/12- Philly, PA
    7/19/13- Wrigley
    10/19/13- Brooklyn, NY
    10/21/13- Philly, PA
    10/22/13- Philly, PA
    10/27/13- Baltimore, MD
    4/28/16- Philly, PA
    4/29/16- Philly, PA
    5/1/16- NYC
    5/2/16- NYC
    9/2/18- Boston, MA
    9/4/18- Boston, MA
    9/14/22- Camden, NJ
    9/7/24- Philly, PA
    9/9/24- Philly, PA
    Tres Mts.- 3/23/11- Philly. PA
    Eddie Vedder- 6/25/11- Philly, PA
    RNDM- 3/9/16- Philly, PA
  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,811
    Except Bryce is much better
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  • eeriepadave
    eeriepadave West Chester, PA Posts: 43,190
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Except Bryce is much better
    not by much. If you look at the numbers they are kinda similar. harper's  might be slightly better, but Werth was putting up some pretty big numbers of his own in the last few years as a Phillie
    8/28/98- Camden, NJ
    10/31/09- Philly
    5/21/10- NYC
    9/2/12- Philly, PA
    7/19/13- Wrigley
    10/19/13- Brooklyn, NY
    10/21/13- Philly, PA
    10/22/13- Philly, PA
    10/27/13- Baltimore, MD
    4/28/16- Philly, PA
    4/29/16- Philly, PA
    5/1/16- NYC
    5/2/16- NYC
    9/2/18- Boston, MA
    9/4/18- Boston, MA
    9/14/22- Camden, NJ
    9/7/24- Philly, PA
    9/9/24- Philly, PA
    Tres Mts.- 3/23/11- Philly. PA
    Eddie Vedder- 6/25/11- Philly, PA
    RNDM- 3/9/16- Philly, PA
  • eeriepadave
    eeriepadave West Chester, PA Posts: 43,190
    By the end of the week (hopefully)?
    8/28/98- Camden, NJ
    10/31/09- Philly
    5/21/10- NYC
    9/2/12- Philly, PA
    7/19/13- Wrigley
    10/19/13- Brooklyn, NY
    10/21/13- Philly, PA
    10/22/13- Philly, PA
    10/27/13- Baltimore, MD
    4/28/16- Philly, PA
    4/29/16- Philly, PA
    5/1/16- NYC
    5/2/16- NYC
    9/2/18- Boston, MA
    9/4/18- Boston, MA
    9/14/22- Camden, NJ
    9/7/24- Philly, PA
    9/9/24- Philly, PA
    Tres Mts.- 3/23/11- Philly. PA
    Eddie Vedder- 6/25/11- Philly, PA
    RNDM- 3/9/16- Philly, PA
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,530
    eeriepadave said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Except Bryce is much better
    not by much. If you look at the numbers they are kinda similar. harper's  might be slightly better, but Werth was putting up some pretty big numbers of his own in the last few years as a Phillie
    Yeah they're not close. Werth had a good stretch in there, but you're getting a former MVP six years younger than when Werth signed his deal that hasn't even hit his peak age yet. Only thing(s) I'd bicker about Harper doesn't do that Werth did in his prime is steal bags, so I'd like to seem him to do that more. Oh, and Werth was the better fielder (so far).
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,026
    Jearlpam0925 said:
    eeriepadave said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Except Bryce is much better
    not by much. If you look at the numbers they are kinda similar. harper's  might be slightly better, but Werth was putting up some pretty big numbers of his own in the last few years as a Phillie
    Yeah they're not close. Werth had a good stretch in there, but you're getting a former MVP six years younger than when Werth signed his deal that hasn't even hit his peak age yet. Only thing(s) I'd bicker about Harper doesn't do that Werth did in his prime is steal bags, so I'd like to seem him to do that more. Oh, and Werth was the better fielder (so far).
    I think his defensive issues last year were trying to not get hurt, but assuming this happens, you guys are sure as hell going to like the DH rule eventually.
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,530
    Cliffy6745 said:
    Jearlpam0925 said:
    eeriepadave said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Except Bryce is much better
    not by much. If you look at the numbers they are kinda similar. harper's  might be slightly better, but Werth was putting up some pretty big numbers of his own in the last few years as a Phillie
    Yeah they're not close. Werth had a good stretch in there, but you're getting a former MVP six years younger than when Werth signed his deal that hasn't even hit his peak age yet. Only thing(s) I'd bicker about Harper doesn't do that Werth did in his prime is steal bags, so I'd like to seem him to do that more. Oh, and Werth was the better fielder (so far).
    I think his defensive issues last year were trying to not get hurt, but assuming this happens, you guys are sure as hell going to like the DH rule eventually.
    I mean he's got the arm that's perfect for right, or at least he did. His problem was the way he plays the ball. But, again, he's not even 27 and that can be improved.

    I can live with the DH, Cliff. I'll never like the DH.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,026
    Jearlpam0925 said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    Jearlpam0925 said:
    eeriepadave said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Except Bryce is much better
    not by much. If you look at the numbers they are kinda similar. harper's  might be slightly better, but Werth was putting up some pretty big numbers of his own in the last few years as a Phillie
    Yeah they're not close. Werth had a good stretch in there, but you're getting a former MVP six years younger than when Werth signed his deal that hasn't even hit his peak age yet. Only thing(s) I'd bicker about Harper doesn't do that Werth did in his prime is steal bags, so I'd like to seem him to do that more. Oh, and Werth was the better fielder (so far).
    I think his defensive issues last year were trying to not get hurt, but assuming this happens, you guys are sure as hell going to like the DH rule eventually.
    I mean he's got the arm that's perfect for right, or at least he did. His problem was the way he plays the ball. But, again, he's not even 27 and that can be improved.

    I can live with the DH, Cliff. I'll never like the DH.
    Yeah, I don't really know about his arm, but I watched like a 6 minute video on how bad he was defensively last year, as in one of the worst in baseball, and everything in the video pointed to just being lazy to not get hurt. He dove 1 time, 1, all year.
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,530
    A six minute video? That's a long video.

    Well if he wants to give that lack of effort in this town....well then...it'll surely be overlooked due to the color of his skin.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,026
    edited February 2019
    Jearlpam0925 said:
    A six minute video? That's a long video.

    Well if he wants to give that lack of effort in this town....well then...it'll surely be overlooked due to the color of his skin.
    haha.  Well there were at least 30 or so routes looked at.

    HA.  Well, my point is that I don't think that will be the case and I don't think he is as bad defensively as his numbers last year suggest since I think he just didn't want to go into free agency hurt.
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,530
    Right, from what I recall though he's been a negative value player (WAR, runs saved/UZR) in the past from a fielding standpoint. So, yeah, DH and all.

    But the guy was a catcher and has a huge arm, and, yeah, I wouldn't want to get hurt either. If his routes are the worst part of his game that can actually be improved upon.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,026
    This is good stuff

    https://theathletic.com/827011/2019/02/19/with-machado-to-padres-phillies-say-they-wont-be-pressured-into-a-bryce-harper-deal-now-what/

  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,530
    Yeah, Matt Gelb is great - The Athletic is just killing it.

    "If Harper were a free agent next winter, he would still be the youngest player on the market."- Personally, I think they do value Harper higher. That could be bias talking (definitely is), but the guy is much more the marketable player in a sport that is terrible at marketing their talent.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,026
    Matt Gelb is one of the best there is.  Pretty wild career route. Phils, city beat, Athletic. 

    That stood out to me too. I would assume they do, but I am pretty confident Manny is going to age better.  The fact that both sides of the ball bring him value is a big bonus to me.  Granted, I think Harper is the much better bat, even if he has been up and down.

  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,026
    Welp, this is Fucking terrifying

    https://www.ninds.nih.gov/Disorders/Patient-Caregiver-Education/Fact-Sheets/Febrile-Seizures-Fact-Sheet

  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,530
    Christ, Cliff - why are you looking this up?  Is your daughter sick and you're going down the Google Wormhole of Terror? Does she actually have this? If so, I'm terribly sorry. Now I'm worrying.

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