ANALYSIS: Why people are freaking out about Howard Schultz running for president
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He is running as an independent. He does not need the primaries.fife said:I have no problem with him running but for me my problem is that he is wimping out on not running in a primary. if he is that confident that the "silent majority" is not being represented by both parties than put that to the test and run in a primary.Give Peas A Chance…0 -
Trump is not getting re-elected. Would not surprise me if he resigns sometime in 2019.fife said:
you would think so but like Bill Maher once said " americans are stupid"Meltdown99 said:I would think the dems could nominate Carter and beat Trump.Give Peas A Chance…0 -
I understand that but he says that he is more of a democrat than republican so if he believes that and believes that the democrats have gone to far left then run in the democratic primary and put that to the test.Meltdown99 said:
He is running as an independent. He does not need the primaries.fife said:I have no problem with him running but for me my problem is that he is wimping out on not running in a primary. if he is that confident that the "silent majority" is not being represented by both parties than put that to the test and run in a primary.
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i think you can find articles about that before he was elected the first time. I do not put anything above him and the R. party.Meltdown99 said:
Trump is not getting re-elected. Would not surprise me if he resigns sometime in 2019.fife said:
you would think so but like Bill Maher once said " americans are stupid"Meltdown99 said:I would think the dems could nominate Carter and beat Trump.
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Why should he? If he wants to run as an independent, then good for him. He saw what happened 4 years, he probably feels he has a better chance as independent...fife said:
I understand that but he says that he is more of a democrat than republican so if he believes that and believes that the democrats have gone to far left then run in the democratic primary and put that to the test.Meltdown99 said:
He is running as an independent. He does not need the primaries.fife said:I have no problem with him running but for me my problem is that he is wimping out on not running in a primary. if he is that confident that the "silent majority" is not being represented by both parties than put that to the test and run in a primary.Give Peas A Chance…0 -
The Dems are trying to protect our electoral process. They don't want to see a third-party candidate with no shot at winning taking votes away from one of the major party candidates...unless of course that third-party candidate is Ross Perot and the major party candidate he's taking votes away from is George Bush.
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by running as an independent, he actually makes his chances less to become president cause you are just splitting the votes. if you run in a primary and win then you don't split the vote.Meltdown99 said:
Why should he? If he wants to run as an independent, then good for him. He saw what happened 4 years, he probably feels he has a better chance as independent...fife said:
I understand that but he says that he is more of a democrat than republican so if he believes that and believes that the democrats have gone to far left then run in the democratic primary and put that to the test.Meltdown99 said:
He is running as an independent. He does not need the primaries.fife said:I have no problem with him running but for me my problem is that he is wimping out on not running in a primary. if he is that confident that the "silent majority" is not being represented by both parties than put that to the test and run in a primary.
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Which is why Trump ran as a Republican. He's been planning a third-party candidacy for years but Roger Stone would always talk him out of it citing he just can't win as a third-party.fife said:
by running as an independent, he actually makes his chances less to become president cause you are just splitting the votes. if you run in a primary and win then you don't split the vote.Meltdown99 said:
Why should he? If he wants to run as an independent, then good for him. He saw what happened 4 years, he probably feels he has a better chance as independent...fife said:
I understand that but he says that he is more of a democrat than republican so if he believes that and believes that the democrats have gone to far left then run in the democratic primary and put that to the test.Meltdown99 said:
He is running as an independent. He does not need the primaries.fife said:I have no problem with him running but for me my problem is that he is wimping out on not running in a primary. if he is that confident that the "silent majority" is not being represented by both parties than put that to the test and run in a primary.
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Yes but the primaries are the problem. The wacko wing of each party has more of a voice. Moderates don’t appeal as much in primaries.fife said:
by running as an independent, he actually makes his chances less to become president cause you are just splitting the votes. if you run in a primary and win then you don't split the vote.Meltdown99 said:
Why should he? If he wants to run as an independent, then good for him. He saw what happened 4 years, he probably feels he has a better chance as independent...fife said:
I understand that but he says that he is more of a democrat than republican so if he believes that and believes that the democrats have gone to far left then run in the democratic primary and put that to the test.Meltdown99 said:
He is running as an independent. He does not need the primaries.fife said:I have no problem with him running but for me my problem is that he is wimping out on not running in a primary. if he is that confident that the "silent majority" is not being represented by both parties than put that to the test and run in a primary.
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He likely feels he has no chance to win the Democratic nomination. As an independent, he will be part of the show, which is what he probably wants more...fife said:
by running as an independent, he actually makes his chances less to become president cause you are just splitting the votes. if you run in a primary and win then you don't split the vote.Meltdown99 said:
Why should he? If he wants to run as an independent, then good for him. He saw what happened 4 years, he probably feels he has a better chance as independent...fife said:
I understand that but he says that he is more of a democrat than republican so if he believes that and believes that the democrats have gone to far left then run in the democratic primary and put that to the test.Meltdown99 said:
He is running as an independent. He does not need the primaries.fife said:I have no problem with him running but for me my problem is that he is wimping out on not running in a primary. if he is that confident that the "silent majority" is not being represented by both parties than put that to the test and run in a primary.Give Peas A Chance…0 -
That's also the beauty of the US system, anyone can run to be president, does not mean anyone will win.fife said:
by running as an independent, he actually makes his chances less to become president cause you are just splitting the votes. if you run in a primary and win then you don't split the vote.Meltdown99 said:
Why should he? If he wants to run as an independent, then good for him. He saw what happened 4 years, he probably feels he has a better chance as independent...fife said:
I understand that but he says that he is more of a democrat than republican so if he believes that and believes that the democrats have gone to far left then run in the democratic primary and put that to the test.Meltdown99 said:
He is running as an independent. He does not need the primaries.fife said:I have no problem with him running but for me my problem is that he is wimping out on not running in a primary. if he is that confident that the "silent majority" is not being represented by both parties than put that to the test and run in a primary.Give Peas A Chance…0 -
I don't know if that is true to be honest. other than this past election with Trump winning most of the time the moderates have won the nomination. I don't think of Mccain, Mitt, Obama and Hillary to be an extreme candidate. I would agree abit more with the house and senate primaries but not for the presidentcincybearcat said:
Yes but the primaries are the problem. The wacko wing of each party has more of a voice. Moderates don’t appeal as much in primaries.fife said:
by running as an independent, he actually makes his chances less to become president cause you are just splitting the votes. if you run in a primary and win then you don't split the vote.Meltdown99 said:
Why should he? If he wants to run as an independent, then good for him. He saw what happened 4 years, he probably feels he has a better chance as independent...fife said:
I understand that but he says that he is more of a democrat than republican so if he believes that and believes that the democrats have gone to far left then run in the democratic primary and put that to the test.Meltdown99 said:
He is running as an independent. He does not need the primaries.fife said:I have no problem with him running but for me my problem is that he is wimping out on not running in a primary. if he is that confident that the "silent majority" is not being represented by both parties than put that to the test and run in a primary.
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But he can run in the democratic primary and if he doesn't win the nomination, run as an independent. I think it'd be dumb for him not to at least try the primary route.Meltdown99 said:
He likely feels he has no chance to win the Democratic nomination. As an independent, he will be part of the show, which is what he probably wants more...fife said:
by running as an independent, he actually makes his chances less to become president cause you are just splitting the votes. if you run in a primary and win then you don't split the vote.Meltdown99 said:
Why should he? If he wants to run as an independent, then good for him. He saw what happened 4 years, he probably feels he has a better chance as independent...fife said:
I understand that but he says that he is more of a democrat than republican so if he believes that and believes that the democrats have gone to far left then run in the democratic primary and put that to the test.Meltdown99 said:
He is running as an independent. He does not need the primaries.fife said:I have no problem with him running but for me my problem is that he is wimping out on not running in a primary. if he is that confident that the "silent majority" is not being represented by both parties than put that to the test and run in a primary.
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He actually took more votes away from Clinton.Ledbetterman10 said:The Dems are trying to protect our electoral process. They don't want to see a third-party candidate with no shot at winning taking votes away from one of the major party candidates...unless of course that third-party candidate is Ross Perot and the major party candidate he's taking votes away from is George Bush.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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sorry that happens in any democratic system. anyone can run to be the Prime Minster of Canada.Meltdown99 said:
That's also the beauty of the US system, anyone can run to be president, does not mean anyone will win.fife said:
by running as an independent, he actually makes his chances less to become president cause you are just splitting the votes. if you run in a primary and win then you don't split the vote.Meltdown99 said:
Why should he? If he wants to run as an independent, then good for him. He saw what happened 4 years, he probably feels he has a better chance as independent...fife said:
I understand that but he says that he is more of a democrat than republican so if he believes that and believes that the democrats have gone to far left then run in the democratic primary and put that to the test.Meltdown99 said:
He is running as an independent. He does not need the primaries.fife said:I have no problem with him running but for me my problem is that he is wimping out on not running in a primary. if he is that confident that the "silent majority" is not being represented by both parties than put that to the test and run in a primary.
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The trend. Hillary barely won and some would argue it was given to her. The primary was trying to move the party far left. The republican primary has always been a bit interesting. Moderates having to take some stands on issues they probably don’t agree with in order to make it through. Then they stuck McCain with Palin. And because a moderate republican couldn’t energize the base to vote and lost to Obama 2x....the party moved stupidly right. And now we have trump.fife said:
I don't know if that is true to be honest. other than this past election with Trump winning most of the time the moderates have won the nomination. I don't think of Mccain, Mitt, Obama and Hillary to be an extreme candidate. I would agree abit more with the house and senate primaries but not for the presidentcincybearcat said:
Yes but the primaries are the problem. The wacko wing of each party has more of a voice. Moderates don’t appeal as much in primaries.fife said:
by running as an independent, he actually makes his chances less to become president cause you are just splitting the votes. if you run in a primary and win then you don't split the vote.Meltdown99 said:
Why should he? If he wants to run as an independent, then good for him. He saw what happened 4 years, he probably feels he has a better chance as independent...fife said:
I understand that but he says that he is more of a democrat than republican so if he believes that and believes that the democrats have gone to far left then run in the democratic primary and put that to the test.Meltdown99 said:
He is running as an independent. He does not need the primaries.fife said:I have no problem with him running but for me my problem is that he is wimping out on not running in a primary. if he is that confident that the "silent majority" is not being represented by both parties than put that to the test and run in a primary.
In the recent past fake promises seemed to get the crazies to still vote for the moderate. I’m concerned that is not the case anymore.
The real reason to run in a primary is to get the $ and get the votes from people that don’t know the issues and just vote the letter. Lots of those. I do wish we had about 4 viable candidates anymore...:and I wish the runner up became VP like in the past.
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It's a great example of how random a presidential election can be. Perot may have helped Clinton in 1992. Nader almost certainly helped Bush in 2000. Now people who don't like Schultz are cheering for him while people that do like him are throwing rocks (figuratively) at him.
And that's just the reality. Tell the Dems to quit whining all you want, but this can be the difference-maker and it can steer an election in a way that the electorate (i.e., the voters, adjusted for the electoral college) do not want to go.
It would be really interesting to see whether someone on the right tries do do this. Some "Never Trump" conservative could cater to other "never trump" conservatives. Would that candidate steal votes from Trump or just take those votes from the Democrat, too? Maybe someone's looking into it. Someone that would relish the chance at help Trump lose.1995 Milwaukee 1998 Alpine, Alpine 2003 Albany, Boston, Boston, Boston 2004 Boston, Boston 2006 Hartford, St. Paul (Petty), St. Paul (Petty) 2011 Alpine, Alpine
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again, using his own words, if you feels that there is a silent majority that doesn't want the "extreme left or right" then why would he believe that he would not win the nomination. I believe this is more of a vanity project then anything else.Meltdown99 said:
He likely feels he has no chance to win the Democratic nomination. As an independent, he will be part of the show, which is what he probably wants more...fife said:
by running as an independent, he actually makes his chances less to become president cause you are just splitting the votes. if you run in a primary and win then you don't split the vote.Meltdown99 said:
Why should he? If he wants to run as an independent, then good for him. He saw what happened 4 years, he probably feels he has a better chance as independent...fife said:
I understand that but he says that he is more of a democrat than republican so if he believes that and believes that the democrats have gone to far left then run in the democratic primary and put that to the test.Meltdown99 said:
He is running as an independent. He does not need the primaries.fife said:I have no problem with him running but for me my problem is that he is wimping out on not running in a primary. if he is that confident that the "silent majority" is not being represented by both parties than put that to the test and run in a primary.
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What you want, how it should be, and current reality aren't the same thing Brian, sorry.brianlux said:
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Not surprised that you would say that but I'm not sure where you're getting that information from. Exit polls showed that Perot took away from both. My comment was meant more to suggest that the democrats are mad now about the prospect of someone taking votes away from their candidate, but they didn't care when it was assumed that Perot would take away from Bush.Halifax2TheMax said:
He actually took more votes away from Clinton.Ledbetterman10 said:The Dems are trying to protect our electoral process. They don't want to see a third-party candidate with no shot at winning taking votes away from one of the major party candidates...unless of course that third-party candidate is Ross Perot and the major party candidate he's taking votes away from is George Bush.
Here's the exit poll data and a link to the article it's pulled from...
"If Mr. Perot had not been on the ballot, 38 percent of his voters said, they would have voted for Gov. Bill Clinton, and 38 percent said they would have voted for President Bush. Of the 31 states where Mr. Perot garnered more than 20 percent, 17 were won by Mr. Clinton and 14 by Mr. Bush."
https://www.nytimes.com/1992/11/05/us/1992-elections-disappointment-analysis-eccentric-but-no-joke-perot-s-strong.html
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