ANALYSIS: Why people are freaking out about Howard Schultz running for president

PJ_Soul

oftenreading said:

BS44325 said:

CM189191 said:

oftenreading said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

Today’s New York Times shows why a centrist candidate is needed now more then ever...



The Democratic Party...racism, anti-semitism and a solid dose of cultural appropriation. Add to that infanticide and socialism and it becomes quite clear why other options are necessary.

Time for the Dems to step aside so as not to hand the election to Trump.

So an entire party should step aside and not run a candidate so that Trump doesn't win.  WTF does that even mean?  Second, Northam has been isolated by his entire party over this.  ALL OF THEM.  The Republicans ran a candidate against Northam who was openly racist.  How does that make the Democrats the part of racism?  Cognitive dissonance analysis here.

Northam was not isolated over the infanticide...just the yearbook photo. As per the New York Times the Democratic Party has massive underlying problems. Centrists like Bloomberg and Schultz are being shoved aside as the party careens to the extreme left. Ending private insurance, embracing BDS, 70-90% tax rates, spending into oblivian, the defense of Maduro. Venezuela is what the Democratic party wants...unless they uncover a Maduro yearbook photo I suppose. The smart way to beat Trump is to not split the vote.   Schultz can win head to head.

".... over the infanticide"?

Nice hyperbole. There's no infanticide. 

The GOP is stop putting children in cages and separating them from there families however.

But but but the dem party wants infanticide....

Project much BS? 🙄

The GOP is separating children from possible sex traffickers and trying to return these children to their parents. The Democratic party is passing bills allowing for infanticide. Governor hooded/blackface/breakdancer who is a pediatric neurologist made it quite clear.

It takes a special type of deliberate and malignant misunderstanding to call that infanticide. 

He's trolling.

oftenreading

PJ_Soul said:

oftenreading said:

BS44325 said:

CM189191 said:

oftenreading said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

Today’s New York Times shows why a centrist candidate is needed now more then ever...



The Democratic Party...racism, anti-semitism and a solid dose of cultural appropriation. Add to that infanticide and socialism and it becomes quite clear why other options are necessary.

Time for the Dems to step aside so as not to hand the election to Trump.

So an entire party should step aside and not run a candidate so that Trump doesn't win.  WTF does that even mean?  Second, Northam has been isolated by his entire party over this.  ALL OF THEM.  The Republicans ran a candidate against Northam who was openly racist.  How does that make the Democrats the part of racism?  Cognitive dissonance analysis here.

Northam was not isolated over the infanticide...just the yearbook photo. As per the New York Times the Democratic Party has massive underlying problems. Centrists like Bloomberg and Schultz are being shoved aside as the party careens to the extreme left. Ending private insurance, embracing BDS, 70-90% tax rates, spending into oblivian, the defense of Maduro. Venezuela is what the Democratic party wants...unless they uncover a Maduro yearbook photo I suppose. The smart way to beat Trump is to not split the vote.   Schultz can win head to head.

".... over the infanticide"?

Nice hyperbole. There's no infanticide. 

The GOP is stop putting children in cages and separating them from there families however.

But but but the dem party wants infanticide....

Project much BS? 🙄

The GOP is separating children from possible sex traffickers and trying to return these children to their parents. The Democratic party is passing bills allowing for infanticide. Governor hooded/blackface/breakdancer who is a pediatric neurologist made it quite clear.

It takes a special type of deliberate and malignant misunderstanding to call that infanticide. 

He's trolling.

As I said. 

benjs

Halifax2TheMax said:

benjs said:

BS44325 said:

benjs said:

BS44325 said:

Today’s New York Times shows why a centrist candidate is needed now more then ever...



The Democratic Party...racism, anti-semitism and a solid dose of cultural appropriation. Add to that infanticide and socialism and it becomes quite clear why other options are necessary.

Time for the Dems to step aside so as not to hand the election to Trump.

In what way does one condemn Israel's actions while still not presenting as an anti-Semite? I ask this as a Jew who's tired of being ostracized by fellow Jewish people (and ironically being coined an anti-Semite) for daring to criticize the "holy land".  Also, if the DNC is the problem worth focusing on, what is the solution you're proposing?

The Democratic party embraces Farrakhan therefore it embraces anti-semitism. It embraces BDS therefore it embraces anti-semitism. Criticizing Israel for it’s policies is not anti-semitic. I know you understand this.

1. I didn't say that criticizing Israel for its policies is anti-Semitic, I asked you what the acceptable ways to criticize Israeli behaviours are. The government- and population-endorsed actions and their magnitudes bestowed on the Palestinians by the Israeli government are rarely justifiable, in my opinion, and yet efforts to engage in discussion about those actions overwhelmingly lead to accusations of anti-Semitism. That's unacceptable. There should never be a situation where discussing a perceived humanitarian crisis should be removed from the table, or for a person in the modern western world to fear long-term (or any) repercussions from having a conscience and trying to do what's right.

2. I've got to admit, after looking up Farrakhan it sounds like he's been on-the-record espousing anti-Semitic statements. That's not right and should be condemned. The sad truth is if I didn't see such egregious behaviours from Republicans, and if I wasn't seeing what seems like an honest attempt towards betterment overall from the DNC, I might give a shit. Edit: And for what it's worth, I certainly wouldn't use the word "embrace" and attach it to either Farrakhan or BDS with respect to the DNC's position.

3. I disagree with your conclusion that embracing BDS equates to embracing anti-Semitism. You and I both know there are advocates of BDS who are that way for the wrong reasons, but surely you must realize that there are advocates of BDS who are in it for what they perceive to be right. If the cause is just (which I believe it to be), I don't care who the participants are. Israel has had ample time and opportunity to attempt to correct, and now they'll suffer when the external conditions they relied on are changed. I hope for all the best for the people during what will inevitably be a volatile time when unwilling people are forced to relinquish unearned power, and I sincerely hope the government does an okay job at mitigating these major risks. Most likely they won't, and people will get hurt, and it will have been the Israeli government's apathetic tenure responsible for that reality.

Can Israel be criticized for this or is doing so anti-semitic?

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/02/world/middleeast/israel-west-bank-violence.html

Honestly, amongst most of my Jewish colleagues and peers growing up, I would've been likely to hear any of the following responses (mostly from my parents' friends rather than my own) :

-Do you know how tiny Israel is, and yet how disproportionate the criticism of its policies is? The world needs to pay attention to the right things - is anyone even talking about insert disaster here?
-When they stop discussing how they want to destroy the Jews, I'll start caring a lot more
-The media always portrays these events without the context. It's not like this was just an out-of-the-blue event, "they"'re just doing that for attention
-They should consider themselves lucky we defend them from the Arabs in the region
-You know, it's a really complicated situation and to present it this simplistically just isn't fair

Does that mean Israel "can" be criticized? I suppose technically yes, but I found more often than not it felt hostile enough that most wouldn't bother. Maybe we just need to collectively grow a pair and become more open about having tough talks and disagreements and discussions early on in life. Or maybe I'm projecting and that was just my upbringing. Or maybe this should've been an indica night.

mrussel1

Sativa winding you up?

benjs

mrussel1 said:

Sativa winding you up?

This time, yep. I'm already bored with OCS and back at Cafe.

mrussel1

Just left SoCal coop in woodland hills myself.. 

brianlux

These recent post are an indication that it might be toking a swerve off the op topic.  But hey, no problema!

gimmesometruth27

i don't want him to run because if he does he will siphon off votes to ensure trump wins again. just like jill stein and ralph nader. plus he is another billionaire, and we absolutely do not need another billionaire running the show.

Meltdown99

brianlux said:

These recent post are an indication that it might be toking a swerve off the op topic.  But hey, no problema!

I dunno Brian, you mean a thread on the AMT went off topic...that'd be a first.

donnaruhl

A Third Party will shift the scale 5% or more. And that, We can't afford.