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ANALYSIS: Why people are freaking out about Howard Schultz running for president

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  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    Because people who run 3rd party do not understand US Government and need to go back to civics class?
  • Gtilley8Gtilley8 Posts: 985
    CM189191 said:
    Because people who run 3rd party do not understand US Government and need to go back to civics class?
    This
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,950
    Gtilley8 said:
    CM189191 said:
    Because people who run 3rd party do not understand US Government and need to go back to civics class?
    This
    +2
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,445
    Looks like the Dems have their next excuse all ready to go...
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,018
    Who's freaking out? Freak out flavor of the hour.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,950
    cincybearcat said:
    Looks like the Dems have their next excuse all ready to go...
    No more excuses are necessary. The idiots and a-holes who vote for Trump would be the only excuse needed.
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,445
    PJ_Soul said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Looks like the Dems have their next excuse all ready to go...
    No more excuses are necessary. The idiots and a-holes who vote for Trump would be the only excuse needed.
     Nope. If the Dems can’t run and beat this guy it’s yet another terrible failure. Trumps already ruined the Republican Party. If he beats the Dems 2x he will have ruined them too.  The run to the left is what could be the killer. I sure as hope they don’t elected a candidate so far left....but I bet they do. I still will vote for whoever I think can’t beat trump, my most important issue. But not everyone will.
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    The guy sold the Seattle Supersonics to OKC.  I don't know how anyone could trust him.
  • jeffbrjeffbr Posts: 7,177
    Jason P said:
    The guy sold the Seattle Supersonics to OKC.  I don't know how anyone could trust him.
    He's not trusted in Seattle, I can tell you that! 
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    jeffbr said:
    Jason P said:
    The guy sold the Seattle Supersonics to OKC.  I don't know how anyone could trust him.
    He's not trusted in Seattle, I can tell you that! 
    Yeah, I was living in Seattle when that charade was carried out.

    He sold them for $350 million.  10 Years later OKC is valued at $1.3 Billion.  I'm guessing if they stayed in Seattle they would be closer to $1.75 Billion.  But he couldn't get the taxpayers to build a new stadium so he threw a tantrum. 

  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,950
    edited January 2019
    cincybearcat said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Looks like the Dems have their next excuse all ready to go...
    No more excuses are necessary. The idiots and a-holes who vote for Trump would be the only excuse needed.
     Nope. If the Dems can’t run and beat this guy it’s yet another terrible failure. Trumps already ruined the Republican Party. If he beats the Dems 2x he will have ruined them too.  The run to the left is what could be the killer. I sure as hope they don’t elected a candidate so far left....but I bet they do. I still will vote for whoever I think can’t beat trump, my most important issue. But not everyone will.
    I just disagree because literally ANYONE is better than Trump, so anyone who thinks "the Dem candidate isn't good enough", they're idiots, assholes, or both. Who the Dems run is neither here nor there IMO, as far as this point goes.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,445
    PJ_Soul said:
    cincybearcat said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Looks like the Dems have their next excuse all ready to go...
    No more excuses are necessary. The idiots and a-holes who vote for Trump would be the only excuse needed.
     Nope. If the Dems can’t run and beat this guy it’s yet another terrible failure. Trumps already ruined the Republican Party. If he beats the Dems 2x he will have ruined them too.  The run to the left is what could be the killer. I sure as hope they don’t elected a candidate so far left....but I bet they do. I still will vote for whoever I think can’t beat trump, my most important issue. But not everyone will.
    I just disagree because literally ANYONE is better than Trump, so anyone who thinks "the Dem candidate isn't good enough", they're idiots, assholes, or both. Who the Dems run is neither here nor there IMO, as far as this point goes.
    Well I understand even though it’s tough for me to swallow. There are several Dems that would give me pause 
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,950
    cincybearcat said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    cincybearcat said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Looks like the Dems have their next excuse all ready to go...
    No more excuses are necessary. The idiots and a-holes who vote for Trump would be the only excuse needed.
     Nope. If the Dems can’t run and beat this guy it’s yet another terrible failure. Trumps already ruined the Republican Party. If he beats the Dems 2x he will have ruined them too.  The run to the left is what could be the killer. I sure as hope they don’t elected a candidate so far left....but I bet they do. I still will vote for whoever I think can’t beat trump, my most important issue. But not everyone will.
    I just disagree because literally ANYONE is better than Trump, so anyone who thinks "the Dem candidate isn't good enough", they're idiots, assholes, or both. Who the Dems run is neither here nor there IMO, as far as this point goes.
    Well I understand even though it’s tough for me to swallow. There are several Dems that would give me pause 
    Sure, I don't blame you for feeling that.... But still they'd be better than Trump, right? At the very least, none of them are fucking senile and none of them answer to Putin, lol.
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  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Jason P said:
    The guy sold the Seattle Supersonics to OKC.  I don't know how anyone could trust him.

    Just when the team was on the cusp on potential greatness: Durant, Westbrook, and Harden... wow... could have been the best 'big three' of the modern era (I know they all weren't there in Seattle).
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,445
    PJ_Soul said:
    cincybearcat said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    cincybearcat said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Looks like the Dems have their next excuse all ready to go...
    No more excuses are necessary. The idiots and a-holes who vote for Trump would be the only excuse needed.
     Nope. If the Dems can’t run and beat this guy it’s yet another terrible failure. Trumps already ruined the Republican Party. If he beats the Dems 2x he will have ruined them too.  The run to the left is what could be the killer. I sure as hope they don’t elected a candidate so far left....but I bet they do. I still will vote for whoever I think can’t beat trump, my most important issue. But not everyone will.
    I just disagree because literally ANYONE is better than Trump, so anyone who thinks "the Dem candidate isn't good enough", they're idiots, assholes, or both. Who the Dems run is neither here nor there IMO, as far as this point goes.
    Well I understand even though it’s tough for me to swallow. There are several Dems that would give me pause 
    Sure, I don't blame you for feeling that.... But still they'd be better than Trump, right? At the very least, none of them are fucking senile and none of them answer to Putin, lol.
    50% right! 
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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 Posts: 10,739
    I would think the dems could nominate Carter and beat Trump.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,026
    CM189191 said:
    Because people who run 3rd party do not understand US Government and need to go back to civics class?

    Gtilley8 said:
    CM189191 said:
    Because people who run 3rd party do not understand US Government and need to go back to civics class?
    This

    PJ_Soul said:
    Gtilley8 said:
    CM189191 said:
    Because people who run 3rd party do not understand US Government and need to go back to civics class?
    This
    +2
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  • fifefife Posts: 3,327
    I have no problem with him running but for me my problem is that he is wimping out on not running in a primary.  if he is that confident that the "silent majority" is not being represented by both parties than put that to the test and run in a primary.
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    Starbucks blows
  • fifefife Posts: 3,327
    Meltdown99 said:
    I would think the dems could nominate Carter and beat Trump.
    you would think so but like Bill Maher once said " americans are stupid"
  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 Posts: 10,739
    fife said:
    I have no problem with him running but for me my problem is that he is wimping out on not running in a primary.  if he is that confident that the "silent majority" is not being represented by both parties than put that to the test and run in a primary.
    He is running as an independent.  He does not need the primaries.
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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 Posts: 10,739
    fife said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    I would think the dems could nominate Carter and beat Trump.
    you would think so but like Bill Maher once said " americans are stupid"
    Trump is not getting re-elected.  Would not surprise me if he resigns sometime in 2019.  
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  • fifefife Posts: 3,327
    Meltdown99 said:
    fife said:
    I have no problem with him running but for me my problem is that he is wimping out on not running in a primary.  if he is that confident that the "silent majority" is not being represented by both parties than put that to the test and run in a primary.
    He is running as an independent.  He does not need the primaries.
    I understand that but he says that he is more of a democrat than republican so if he believes that and believes that the democrats have gone to far left then run in the democratic primary and put that to the test.
  • fifefife Posts: 3,327
    Meltdown99 said:
    fife said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    I would think the dems could nominate Carter and beat Trump.
    you would think so but like Bill Maher once said " americans are stupid"
    Trump is not getting re-elected.  Would not surprise me if he resigns sometime in 2019.  
    i think you can find articles about that before he was elected the first time.  I do not put anything above him and the R. party.
  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 Posts: 10,739
    fife said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    fife said:
    I have no problem with him running but for me my problem is that he is wimping out on not running in a primary.  if he is that confident that the "silent majority" is not being represented by both parties than put that to the test and run in a primary.
    He is running as an independent.  He does not need the primaries.
    I understand that but he says that he is more of a democrat than republican so if he believes that and believes that the democrats have gone to far left then run in the democratic primary and put that to the test.
    Why should he?  If he wants to run as an independent, then good for him.  He saw what happened 4 years, he probably feels he has a better chance as independent...
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,882
    The Dems are trying to protect our electoral process. They don't want to see a third-party candidate with no shot at winning taking votes away from one of the major party candidates...unless of course that third-party candidate is Ross Perot and the major party candidate he's taking votes away from is George Bush. 
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  • fifefife Posts: 3,327
    Meltdown99 said:
    fife said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    fife said:
    I have no problem with him running but for me my problem is that he is wimping out on not running in a primary.  if he is that confident that the "silent majority" is not being represented by both parties than put that to the test and run in a primary.
    He is running as an independent.  He does not need the primaries.
    I understand that but he says that he is more of a democrat than republican so if he believes that and believes that the democrats have gone to far left then run in the democratic primary and put that to the test.
    Why should he?  If he wants to run as an independent, then good for him.  He saw what happened 4 years, he probably feels he has a better chance as independent...
    by running as an independent, he actually makes his chances less to become president cause you are just splitting the votes.  if you run in a primary and win then you don't split the vote.  
  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,882
    fife said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    fife said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    fife said:
    I have no problem with him running but for me my problem is that he is wimping out on not running in a primary.  if he is that confident that the "silent majority" is not being represented by both parties than put that to the test and run in a primary.
    He is running as an independent.  He does not need the primaries.
    I understand that but he says that he is more of a democrat than republican so if he believes that and believes that the democrats have gone to far left then run in the democratic primary and put that to the test.
    Why should he?  If he wants to run as an independent, then good for him.  He saw what happened 4 years, he probably feels he has a better chance as independent...
    by running as an independent, he actually makes his chances less to become president cause you are just splitting the votes.  if you run in a primary and win then you don't split the vote.  
    Which is why Trump ran as a Republican. He's been planning a third-party candidacy for years but Roger Stone would always talk him out of it citing he just can't win as a third-party. 
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,445
    fife said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    fife said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    fife said:
    I have no problem with him running but for me my problem is that he is wimping out on not running in a primary.  if he is that confident that the "silent majority" is not being represented by both parties than put that to the test and run in a primary.
    He is running as an independent.  He does not need the primaries.
    I understand that but he says that he is more of a democrat than republican so if he believes that and believes that the democrats have gone to far left then run in the democratic primary and put that to the test.
    Why should he?  If he wants to run as an independent, then good for him.  He saw what happened 4 years, he probably feels he has a better chance as independent...
    by running as an independent, he actually makes his chances less to become president cause you are just splitting the votes.  if you run in a primary and win then you don't split the vote.  
    Yes but the primaries are the problem. The wacko wing of each party has more of a voice. Moderates don’t appeal as much in primaries.


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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 Posts: 10,739
    fife said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    fife said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    fife said:
    I have no problem with him running but for me my problem is that he is wimping out on not running in a primary.  if he is that confident that the "silent majority" is not being represented by both parties than put that to the test and run in a primary.
    He is running as an independent.  He does not need the primaries.
    I understand that but he says that he is more of a democrat than republican so if he believes that and believes that the democrats have gone to far left then run in the democratic primary and put that to the test.
    Why should he?  If he wants to run as an independent, then good for him.  He saw what happened 4 years, he probably feels he has a better chance as independent...
    by running as an independent, he actually makes his chances less to become president cause you are just splitting the votes.  if you run in a primary and win then you don't split the vote.  
    He likely feels he has no chance to win the Democratic nomination.  As an independent, he will be part of the show, which is what he probably wants more...
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