Canadian Politics Redux

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Classic.

Parents catching and detaining a pedophile who stalked their 13 year old daughter (after a successful sting operation) face charges of assault and forcible confinement.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/bc-couple-charged-after-hog-tying-a-man-they-accuse-of-trying-to-lure-their-daughter-13-into-sex/ar-BBRY9gm?ocid=spartanntp

That's the law at work. I have no problem with what the parents did, nor with the fact that they were charged. I expect they will not be seriously punished, even if they are convicted, which I really doubt they will be, exactly because of what HFD said: citizens arrest.

Yah.

We got things dialed in on parents protecting their kids. 

* On another note... driver in the Humboldt accident pleads not guilty. We can work with this guy- he has accepted responsibility.

You mean guilty.

I feel genuinely awful for that guy (of course I feel even more awful for the victims and the families of the dead). He fucked up really bad, and I guess we can blame that on irresponsibility or, at best, him feeling cavalier or overly confident and too trusting of routine considering his job ... But since the second that accident happened, this man has been overwhelmed with regret and shame and sorrow. He is completely traumatized from what I've read, and will never ever get over the grief and guilt. It's just really sad to see that happen to what seems like actually a very decent human being... who committed a horrible, preventable mistake.

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

The deregulations in the trucking industry are not the fault of the driver. He was in compliance.

He never deliberately mowed through that bus with murderous intent. It was an accident.

I’m not making an excuse for him- he can serve his time- but after his penalty, we’ll have to forgive him (especially given he’s admitted to fault and accepted responsibility for the accident).

To your other points, Meltdown, the trucking industry has lost serious professionalism over the years. They are wreaking havoc on our provincial highways. Many are absolute menaces.

Meltdown99 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

The deregulations in the trucking industry are not the fault of the driver. He was in compliance.

He never deliberately mowed through that bus with murderous intent. It was an accident.

I’m not making an excuse for him- he can serve his time- but after his penalty, we’ll have to forgive him (especially given he’s admitted to fault and accepted responsibility for the accident).

To your other points, Meltdown, the trucking industry has lost serious professionalism over the years. They are wreaking havoc on our provincial highways. Many are absolute menaces.

I know it's not entirely his fault.  A lot of the problem lies at the feet of the federal government.  The standards should be the same nationwide, if the provinces won't, the federal government needs to.  In time I will be more compassionate, it is still too soon.  I live along the 401 in Southern Ontario, truckers are causing far too much mayhem.  A little before Christmas a trucker was sent to jail for 4 years for killing a mother and son on the 401 near my community.  They were stopped for an accident, he plowed into the back of them.  He never accepted responsibility, showed up to court with all kinds of bs excuses, judged essentially didn't believe any of them.

In the case of the Humboldt guy, he still blew through a decently marked intersection.  That's on him, he needs prison time. When you get behind the wheel of a semi, you need to be paying attention 100% of the time.

“Really? He doesn’t know why?” Schoenborn said loudly, interrupting Shaw’s reading of his arguments for victim notification.

I know. I know. He was found not criminally responsible for his carnage so why am I even concerned in the slightest for such proceedings? I guess I'm just a little concerned that, in typical Canadian fashion, we might be trying just a little too hard to expedite this matter to satisfy eager rehabilitation enthusiasts.

I guess I also wonder why he was found NCR in the first place? I know he was really mad and a heavy drug user so any crimes committed while being real mad or high don't count, but- call me obtuse- it just doesn't seem right for some reason.

https://www.columbiavalleypioneer.com/news/crown-seeks-to-remove-b-c-child-killers-right-to-escorted-outings/

oftenreading said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Defence lawyers trying to make a case for Allan Schoenborn to be granted escorted outings from his country club. This is great news and with any luck... the poor poor man who killed his three children brutally with a knife can finally get out in the public where we are all so anxious and eager to have him!

It's a great endeavour on the part of his lawyers funded by our tax pool. I mean... it's really really worth pursuing. Look at how much he's improved from being a psychopathic f**king loser:

1. His attitude has become more positive over the years, Hediger said, but he continues to have “negative interactions” with both patients and employees. They haven’t gotten physical, but staff have had to intervene.

2. The hospital’s two main concerns are that Schoenborn has trouble when he feels wronged or disrespected, and he tends to interpret “neutral” comments as negative, he said. His poor impulse control could cause issues on escorted outings.

Hmm. Okay. Well just don't disrespect this guy like his ex did before he went and slaughtered their children and everything will be fine.

3. And during the proceedings... he only had one outburst: at the very end of the day, when Crown counsel Trevor Shaw asked for Darcie Clarke, the mother of the three murdered children, and other close family to be notified if Schoenborn had an outing.

“Really? He doesn’t know why?” Schoenborn said loudly, interrupting Shaw’s reading of his arguments for victim notification.

I know. I know. He was found not criminally responsible for his carnage so why am I even concerned in the slightest for such proceedings? I guess I'm just a little concerned that, in typical Canadian fashion, we might be trying just a little too hard to expedite this matter to satisfy eager rehabilitation enthusiasts.

I guess I also wonder why he was found NCR in the first place? I know he was really mad and a heavy drug user so any crimes committed while being real mad or high don't count, but- call me obtuse- it just doesn't seem right for some reason.

https://www.columbiavalleypioneer.com/news/crown-seeks-to-remove-b-c-child-killers-right-to-escorted-outings/

I don’t know why he was found NCRMD. I have trouble wirh this case myself, as I’ve said before. I can tell you categorically that psychosis induced by drugs is a disqualifier for a finding of NCRMD.  And of course “being really mad” doesn’t count, but you knew that already. 

Also, FPH is by no means a country club; not by any stretch. I’ve been inside it. 

B.C. Supreme Court Justice Robert Powers, who heard the three-month trial in Kamloops without a jury, found that the killings were deliberate and planned by Schoenborn, but that he was not sane at the time.

"I find on balance of probabilities he was suffering from a disease of the mind," Powers told the court Monday.

Powers rejected the Crown's assertion that Schoenborn killed his children as revenge against their mother.

"I find it unlikely [he] would have killed his children out of anger given the close and caring relationship he had with his children," said Powers.

This 'disease of the mind' has never been diagnosed as anything as far as I know. The guy is a rodent. Pure and simple. And from my way of thinking... this ruling was a careless effort. Sometimes... people do shitty things just because they are shitty- not every behaviour has a tidy explanation (in this case and in my mind, the 'disease of the mind' was an effort to encapsulate the obscenity). 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/schoenborn-not-criminally-responsible-for-murders-1.899491